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Nothing new on the Vikings front, there have been some recent rumors out there about Harrison Smith coming back and playing after all the offseason workouts and such but nothing at all concrete. There was some big NFL news yesterday though.
The Rams traded for Myles Garrett, giving up a 2027 first-round pick, a 2028 second-round pick, a 2029 third-round pick and Jared Verse. Its quite a haul for Cleveland, but Garrett is a generational talent who is already HOF worthy and may end up one of the top 10 pass rushers all time. Verse is a good player and that is a haul of picks, but as usual the Rams just use them to get established players. I think the biggest winner here is Garrett, he gets out of Cleveland and finally has a chance to actually win with the Rams. So long as he doesn’t try to crush the skull of another player he should see deep playoff performances in his future.
The Eagles agreed Monday to trade AJ Brown to the Pats for a first-round draft pick in 2028 and a 2027 fifth-round pick. Drake Maye now has a legit WR. Somewhere Mike Vrabel and Dianna Russini are celebrating.
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It’s crazy to think that JJ seems on the short side for an NFL QB.
After all of my unpopular comments the last couple of days, I finally get some street cred.
Congrats.
I will add some more if you would like.
#grin
Greatly appreciated.
I don’t know about street cred but thought you asked a good, provacative question.
When is enough, enough?
Street cred is when you get a thumbs down.
Not quite what I meant.
If the Vikings do not make the playoffs this year, do they burn the whole thing down and start over. By this I mean, trade JJetts and anyone worth any value. Fire KOC and the entire coaching staff and start completely over. I would love to see this happen, if we fail to make the playoffs. Maybe even if we make the playoffs and go one and done.
We have a winning record with KOC. The Vikings aren’t a bad team. Funny how folks see them that way.
What’s the expectation?
Be a winning team?
We have a talented roster with a question at QB. KOC is ‘suppose’ to be a QB whisperer. Time for him to start using his magic.
That whole QB whisperer thing is balderdash. Can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. If a QB can’t process, and they’re not accurate, they aren’t going far in the NFL.
I think it is just frustration talking.
The only way this might happen is 6-10 or worse.
KOC was part of the hiring process of Teasley.
KOC isn’t going anywhere for at least two full seasons.
What if we go back to the drawing board at QB after this season, should we trade JJetts to a contender team? It would be the right thing to do, rather than waste another 2-3 years of his prime.
Potentially trading Jets is irrelevant to the QB situation.
If the Vikings can get multiple high round picks and a team wants his contract, that trade should be considered.
Doubt it,
They are decent enough to be on the edge of the playoffs and think that with a bit more ‘tinkering’ of the roster they could possibly get over the hump.
Happy Friday!!!!
Skol
FTP
Would have thought that this thread had reached it’s expiration date by now.
I believe they have a 7 day shelf life like raw meat. But what do I know, obviously nothing.
‘But what do I know, obviously nothing’
That is something we share.
Well that’s good, we need more receiver talent around here.
I see I am in the minority of fans that would like to have the Vikings truly develop the QBOTF. I can see where everyone is OK with the retreads we have rolled out for the last forty years. I mean look how many suberb owls we have won with that strategy.
As long as we make the playoffs every other year and maybe win a playoff game every 10 years we can celebrate.
I think talking about Super Bowls and the QBOTF when it comes to McCarthy, is now officially a stretch.
I think talking superb owls and QBOTF when it comes to Murray or Wentz is just as much a stretch.
But a little less of a stretch…
Annual Vikings strategy summed up in one phrase.
Couple of thoughts.
Pretty sure most folks would like to see the Vikings have the QBOTF.
But perhaps different than you, some may think we may not even have this on our team right now. And some may think, ala Rams we can go out and get one. There are several ways to skin this cat.
Now as far as winning the SB, believe there are also different ways to accomplish that also. The Niners at least get there with less than stellar QB play while the Bills and Ravens can’t even get there.
There’s a lot to this and I’d also suggest having a great coach is a big plus too.
And one final thought since we’re talking some about QB’s today – I believe McCarthy is big time in KOC’s doghouse.
I am not saying we have him on our team right now. But, we also don’t know if we do have him on the team right now.
Would you take Caleb Williams to be our QB?
Would you have taken Caleb Williams after his first 10 games to be our QB?
Would I have taken Williams after 10 games?
Well to qualify my answer, I’m not as good at evaluating QB’s as many around here. Still, to my untrained eye, I saw big time arm talent even early with Williams, so “yes” I would.
Also, virtually every analyst, pundit and coach in the country said he had “generational talent.”
Williams was a running back that threw the ball on occasion, his first 10 games. He could not layer his throws and struggled to read defenses. He had a cannon, but usually missed his receivers and most of the time it wasn’t even close.
Sound familiar?
You asked if I would take Williams and I simply answered “yes” to that question.
Nothing in my answer or original post to yours had any mention of McCarthy.
We all agree we need a long term answer at QB.
Not sure why you think that you in the minority on that???
That is what they tried to do with JJ (QB), but it doesn’t look promising at the moment.
Hope that turns around and he is just working thru ‘Welcome to the NFL’ issues.
If it doesn’t work out for him I expect that we will go back to the well again, unfortunately probably with similar results.
Well, the dude is fragile. Gets hurt and can’t play. Not much future in that.
He’s got one more chance.
This has been the Vikings organizational plan now for 40 years to please the owners and the fans. It’s called Minnesota Nice.
It’s an unpopular opinion on here, as I see many are still hinged to the McFragile™ star and are doubly pumped that Kyler Murray will be waiting in the wings to show the league his Mahomes style chops.
By far the best outcome is for the Vikings to stink this year, develop their defensive players, shitcan KOC week 15, and draft Dante Moore next spring.
I’m not saying that JJ is the future, what I have been arguing is we don’t know yet, but nobody wants to give him a chance.
I don’t think Murray is the answer by any means. He could be as bad as McNabb was when he came here.
By “nobody wants to give him a chance”, do you mean on Skoloholics? That’s just a bunch of fickle fans bickering about the odds they will get bragging rights at the water cooler come Monday morning.
The team has absolutely been professional in their approach to his career, he has and is being given a chance. I could GAF if the team pitches him to the curb or decides the best option is to keep him on the team for the next ten years, but they gave him a chance. No guarantees in life or the NFL.
Look, for me the Vikings have moved into the entertainment bucket. For a while there I was in the “we could win it all” mode. I see no possible way the team will win a SB prior to 2029. Heck making the playoffs the next two seasons would be worthy of a Lake Placid miracle moniker.
Nobody here.
At least he doesn’t have as far to throw to hit the ground…
Anyone with financial chops have any idea why the DOW is up so far today?
The financial markets heard there’s a chance Joe Biden is going to run again.
That made laugh out loud.
‘any idea why the DOW is up’
Trump.
Strong economy overall, good corporate earnings, and frankly where else to put your money.
Fear of a Dot.com type of bubble with AI stocks and the NASDAQ.
Cuz the DJIA was down 600+ yesterday.
Oh No!!
How will it ever get that back!!!
Doom!!!
Oh yeah.
51,641.41 +954.34 (1.88%)
.DJI(INDEXDJX)
Jun 4, 3:25 PM EDT
40 years ago today, l asked my childhood sweetheart, my best friend and the most gorgeous woman l know to marry me.
All three said no.
Three strikes is an out.
Three outs is the end of an inning.
Maybe you should try switching to men.
#grin
Laughing… no, that’s not a remote possibility.
I know its not Tuesday, but saw this and had to share.
Cousins’ three year stretch: PFF has Kirk Cousins as the top Washington Commanders quarterback over the last 20 seasons
don’t understand why someone would post stats from a players former team, especially when he has played in Minnesota in basically three years. The KDS is strong with you.
He certainly left an impression, thanks for the reminder.
McFragile will get one more chance to be the starter in Minny.
Not sure when.
I have spoken.
I saw some writer from sports illustrated said he won’t even be the #2 QB in Minnie this year.
Can he really beat out Wentz in a fair competition?
Yeah, I don’t think he can.
I mean, besides reading the field and throwing an accurate ball, #9 does just fine.
Well, throwing the ball accurately is kind of a big thing for a QB
So is ‘reading the field’ IMHO.
Well since it is unlikely to be a ‘fair’ competition……
Yes he can.
Wentz is washed and old.
Gotta give the kid a chance.
He won’t be the starter to start the year that’s for sure.
My guess is he gets the starting gig by an injury to Murray or they just aren’t winning. If Murray leaves for cash in 2027, then I think the premise is McFragile has one last chance to prove it.
My take is based on the fact that they drafted McFragile with a 1st round pick.
So they have to give him his chance again to CYA themselves.
If McFragile misses time with an injury, it’s over. Kaput. Zip. Zero. Nadda.
Wentz is not the future, Murray may be the short term future, as of now McCarthy is the future until proven he isn’t.
I still think JJ is the starter week 1.
I don’t know what delusional world you live in, but there’s zero chance JJ is starting unless the midget gets injured
I think KOCs career as the Vikings head coach is closely tied to whether or not he is truly capable of developing JJ. If JJ does not work out this year, KOC is gone.
When a team uses a top ten pick on a QB, it is expected he plays. If he is not capable at this point to be a productive QB, that is on the coach and said coach will be fired. KOC knows this and will run JJ out there until JJ proves he is not able to win.
Developing McCarthy? There’s an old saying that applies here. “You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”. To me, watching the replays of McCarthy’s games, I see so much wrong with him. His play execution is so erratic, and balky. He’s more of a chucker of the ball than anything else, and his processing is slow by NFL standards too. There’s just so much to fix there. I think KOC decided there aren’t enough hours in the day to fix JJM and coach the team. He brought Murray in for three reasons. One, he can’t wait to develop JJM, if that’s even possible. Two, Murray was cheap. Three, he has many years of good passing stats and play. The team deserves a chance to win, instead of suffering through more years of McCarthy’s development.
I think that stat says more about PFF than it does about the QBs listed.
Yea, so our guy is out shinning three of the best in the league. WOW.
Guess they’re having a QB competition in KC, Buffalo and Baltimore
This is what you call voodoo stat math. Career PFF grades, huh? Well how about we just look at the NFL?
PFF ranked McCarthy 29th in the league at the end of the 2025 season. Nowhere close to those other QB’s.
Putting McCarthy on any list with Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson is patently ridiculous. He isn’t remotely in their league. This is akin to putting me on a golf list with Jack Niklaus, because I’m taller than he is. Somebody did a whole lot of cipherin to come up with this.
But all of the cherry picked stats pertaining to Cousins are gold.
Nobody has to stretch to find out that over his career, Cousins has been one of the most productive QB’s in the NFL. You have to do more cherry picking to find bad stats, than good ones by a wide margin. He owns franchise records for every team he’s played for, and the biggest comeback in NFL history is up there too, although I consider that more of a team stat.
You guys need to figure out when Bow is pulling your leg. This is fake.
If this logic was applied to every first time starter, there would never be veteran QBs. Name one QB that had no issues with his game in his first two years.
Tom Brady for one. He didn’t start his first year, and he played pretty well in his second. Mahomes too. Didn’t start his first year, but played pretty well his second. Cousins didn’t become a starter till his 4th year, and he played very well. It’s better to wait and learn, and not be pushed onto the field too early. Coaches are pressured to start these guys and it’s a bad plan poorly executed.
OK so we would have 2 veteran QBs. The difference between these 2 and JJ is they got to practice their entire 1st year.
I would put JJ at the same level as a 1 1/2 year player not a third year.
People act like J.J. had no practice his first season, but that’s not true. After he was drafted in April, he practiced and worked with coaches throughout the preseason for four and a half months. Then he tore his meniscus and couldn’t practice, but he still worked with the coaches, studied the offense, and watched film. He got to see Darnold run the scheme, and sit in every meeting and game planning session. This is the meat and potatoes of development. Learning the ins and outs of the offense, and how it works against defenses. His rehab went decently, with a second, non surgical procedure in November for swelling. By May he was moving decently enough to be throwing balls to the receivers. So he’d had a full year to learn the offense completely, and four months to workout with the receivers to sharpen his connections with them. When the season started in September, he’d been in the building for 17 months. He should have really known what he was doing by then, but he looked unprepared, and not very sharp. Most rookies are starting with 5 months to know what they’re doing, and be ready to perform. McCarthy had 17 months, including a total of 8 months on the practice field with his guys.
That’s why I said he’s had 1 1/2 years of experience. He wasn’t able to spend his rookie season working on the little things, like footwork and touch passes. You don’t learn the little physical things in the classroom.
And before you say wins are not a QB stat. The QB is the only player that touches the ball every offensive play.
Let’s be fair. The Cardinals are a dog shit organization and I doubt even Tom Brady could do much with that crap show.
The Cardinals have been to the superb owl more recently than the Vikings.
Well, I’m not sure I want to answer this – might now make the Vikings look too good.
Why did the team always look better when Murray got hurt?
It didn’t.
Are we reading one chapter of the book or all of it.
The team playing better is not a QB stat.
Wins, are not a QB stat, and he doesn’t touch the ball on every snap. You conveniently omit all those defensive and special team snaps in a game. On average, there around 122 total plays in a game. The QB for the most part, is really only a significant factor on pass plays though. Kyler attempted an average of 32 passes a game in 2025, so he had a significant role in about 26% of all the snaps on average in a game. This is pretty much the case across the league, but people insist on saying that QB’s are the only player to touch the ball on every snap, and “QB wins” are a real stat. In reality, they are a significant impact for their team on only about 26% of the snaps in a game.
The QB is responsible for every offensive play whether it is a running play or passing play. The QB calls the blocking and can audible.
Yeah, and a RB picks up a blitz, goes out in the flat and catches a ball, or runs it. Every player does multiple things in a game, and the QB has to have the brains to run the offense, but again, handing the ball off, isn’t the same as drilling the ball 30 yards downfield. As I said, the QB affects the game the most when he throws the ball. That’s about 25 to 30 times a game. There’s a whole lot MORE that happens in a game the QB has no effect on at all. It works out that about 75% of the game, he’s either not on the field at all, or just handing the ball off.
3M has a much better supporting cast around him here. Hopefully that will allow him and the Vikings to be much more successful.
‘The QB is the only player that touches the ball every offensive play’
The OC is not considered a player???
yes, because he didn’t have Larry Fitzgerald, Deandre Hopkins, and even Marvin Harrison Jr on his teams before.
So true, having 2 good WRs (Marvin showed up after Hopkins was gone) plus Larry’s last year was the same year as Marvins rookie year, 2024.
That certainly the same as having a more complete roster.
I disagree.
KOC’s career just got extended because there is a new GM, whose fingerprints won’t be on the roster until the middle of 2027.
I think KOCs leash just got smaller. A new GM is going to want to bring in his coach.
And also draft his own QB.
That is correct. But in order for KOC to keep his job, I believe that JJ has to start and show he can lead the team. If JJ is unable to do this, both will be gone at the end of the season.
For KOC to keep his job he needs to win at least one playoff game – regardless who plays QB.
KOC is suppose to be a QB whisperer – he can’t keep falling on we’re poor at QB that’s why we aren ‘t winning.
Good point, Murray was not Teasley’s guy either. So there is no pressure from the GM to put Murray out on the field.
If Murray is the man for the job and beats JJ out for the QB1 spot that’s great. But, if that is the case then the Vikings will have to back the Brinks truck up to Murray’s front door to get him to stay.
Or they let him go after the season and get the we should have kept Murray.
KOC is in Minnesota at least through 2027.
That’s what I mean when I say his career got extended.
KOC will NOT get fired at the end of the 2026 season, unless they go 6-10 or worse.
Shanahan in SF took Trey Lance with the 3rd overall pick – and that was a complete disaster and he’s still gainfully employed in SF.
Hitting on Purdy as Mr Irrelevant likely helped mitigate that as Purdy is the franchise QB in SF – but that’s still a huge swing and a miss with a very valuable pick.
If they don’t hit on Purdy, Shanny is an Offensive Coordinator for the Browns.
Hard to develop a player that can’t stay on the field
This I will agree with, but we can’t see how good he is on the bench either.
Sorry Jackson, But I agree with Ben. Murray didnt sign here to be backup out of the gate.
He may not have thought he was going to be the backup, when he signed here. But, we have very little invested in him and there is no reason, other than JJ not being able to perform, for him to be the starter. If JJ even looks remotely close to being able to lead this team, he will be the starter.
Not impossible, but highly unlikely.
Seifert is pretty well connected and at least isn’t a complete joke in his reporting.
Kyler does look like a midget out there.
Remotely close isn’t good enough for this roster. This is a talented roster with a talented coaching staff – on both sides of the ball.
Remotely close as the starter is a slap in the face to that locker room.
Remotely close gets JJ a week 1 start, not a guaranteed starting position no matter what. If JJ looks like he did to start the season last year, then yes he is out.
Happy Thorsday,
FTP
Skol
Blue states sinking fast.
Austin is about as Liberal as NJ but Texas is much more business friendly.
My wife is from Texas and she tells me Houston and Austin are very liberal. San Antonio is getting there too.
Plus parts of Dallas/Ft Worth.
It seems to be a ‘Large/Major City’ problem for the most part.
Can’t fix stupid…
He better hope it was AI…
You just provided him with an alibi.
That was a rhyming reply…
@Of course that was my original intent.@
#grin
Wow, I just caught up on all of the posts since left this morning at around 10:00 a.m. to go golfing. I can say I think am now dumber for having read them.
Time to insert some intellectual conversation….I ran across this on the interweb the a few days back…
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/48958480/packers-micah-parsons-return-least-mid-october
Breaks my heart…
Los Angeles City Councilwoman and self-proclaimed Democratic socialist Nithya Raman, a top candidate in L.A.’s mayoral race, broke down in tears Tuesday night as she quickly fell behind in the election.
This is ridiculous. We want someone who breaks down in tears when things go against her, running anything, much less the City of Los Angeles?
Man up, lady.
I’m sure it was because of sexism or bigotry.
Absolutely certain of that.
Air conditioning went out this weekend. Could tell the compressor was not turning on with the outdoor unit fan. Did a bit of research and thought it might be the capacitor. Bought a new one for $15 and replaced it in 5 minutes. A/C works now. They supposedly only last for 3-5 years, I think this one was 10+ years old. Regardless, quick and easy fix with YouTube tutorial. Sad thing is a technician would have charged nearly $400 (had an appointment booked and canceled it, but asked about replacement over the phone). Highway robbery.
HVAC is a big money maker. Kids can learn how to do it very quickly. You can get basic training for $500. Of course you’ll need tools and supplies, but you can get started in the business for a very small amount of money.
https://www.scitraining.com/HVAC?AF=BBB1046&msclkid=cd69c620d086166f6915ac00538aec45
Certainly, some of the jobs and fixes they do I wouldn’t want to deal with, but this was outrageous. Same thing with replacing an expansion tank on my radiant heating this winter – tank costs $49, they charge $500-$600 to replace (though that does come with a 2 year warranty, but still). I did it myself with minimal hassle.
I cannot do any of that stuff at all – pretty much changing out a door knob is the upper end of my mechanical ability. I am destined to pay outrageous prices and be poor my whole life.
The capacitor was easier than that. Literally 3 screws. Disconnect and reconnect some metal connectors (screwdriver to pry loose). Of course you have to turn the power off with the disconnect plug. Very easy.
The time flux capacitor went out on my DeLorean, and it was pretty simple to replace.
Make sure you discharge that capacitor before touching it kids!
Yep, I’ve made that mistake before. Damn near knocked me on my ass.
I think that most of us here have done that.
The results help insure that you don’t do it again.
I guarantee you can, the operative word is will you?
As a first born and almost only child, and because of my own psychosis, I thrive on approval and recognition. When I first met my wife, I think one of the first projects I had was changing out the “works” inside a toilet tank. Received considerable praise and even a chaste kiss on the cheek.
At the Love Shack, my wife did not like the almond switches, outlets, and switch/outlet covers. In fairness, many of them were filthy. When I switched out outlets back in my early days of DIY, working with brittle wires and tight outlet boxes, etc, it could easily take me 20-25 minutes per outlet. With a new (built in 2008) house the wiring is easier to manipulate. My wife wanted them all replaced with white. Now a guy could argue, you could pay an electrician the GDP of Tanzania, or you could say yes dear.
She did give me a cool electric screwdriver which was way easier to use than the old dulled Phillips and flatheads I used to manipulate with one hand while stabbing my other hand or slipping off the nut.
By the end I could switch out a 3 or 4 way switch in 4 minutes and an outlet with two hot and two neutral in 60 seconds. Changed out a grand total of 72 outlets and 41 switches, plus their plates, plus six light fixtures.
I got a “looks good, doesn’t it, good job”.
That’ll work.
Wow….and you are right…I probably COULD do some of that stuff…especially with youtube help, but I know it’s not my strong suite so I stay away from it.
I agree that repairs are overly costly, for sure. But that is also an opportunity. When you’re starting out, and building your business, you can undercut those guys by $100 and still make excellent profit on your labor.
The smoke detectors in the house are networked and when one starts beeping, they all start beeping. They also detect carbon monoxide. Recently we had an episode with two of them basically failing and going off and nothing we did could stop them. They are even hard-wired into the house so taking the batteries out didn’t help. I replaced all 8 of them over a day, and all is well now. My wife was pleased to see I could still fix stuff.
HVAC is an awesome career opportunity. I honestly “joke” with the HVAC, plumbing, spray insulation, electrical guys I run into that if I lose my job as a rad, I would like to come work with them as a journeyman. It’s not an exaggeration that I think they mean it when they say they’d be glad to have me. I wouldn’t starve.
I don’t know about that. Not sure where this schooling is that you posted, but I also didn’t read all of it. My youngest son went through a 2 year HVAC program at a tech school, 2022-2024, and we were on the hook for around 25,000. This did include campus housing for the first year though. It was worth it, 22 years old and doing well.
GF,
Can the developers, for this site, create a crayon font? It would be useful for explaining things sometimes.
Got up this morning and read some of the posts that happened late yesterday I missed.
Came across one from someone called ‘Purplehaze’ that I had never heard of before. The post went like this –
“Too many old, sad white guys slurping up the Orange Kool-aid Fox News waterboards them with and then relay in this echo-chamber for approval. Predictably comical.”
Well, well, well ………….
I’m 71 years old, white, and have lived in 26 country’s. Apparently I don’t have the sense God gave me though.
The ‘guys’ was plural so you ain’t alone. Since I’m still young at heart (and didn’t say much) wonder who the others are.
Also wonder who really is the originator of the post – first post too?
I love how cannon balls explode in old war movies. There is nothing about a cannon ball that would make it explode. It’s destructive power is it’s mass hitting something.
Revolutionary war, you are correct. By the civil war, they were filled with powder and designed to explode
Are you also saying grenades aren’t big balls of fire?
This too, they are not giant fireballs.
There’s a few films out there that accurately portray grape shot or canister shot being used, one being fired into a massive crowd. Its as brutal as it sounds.
I believe it is the Patriot film where it shows a cannonballs point of view as it rips a soldiers lower leg off.
It is! Thats the only accurate thing in that movie but its still entertaining as hell
What’s Trump’s press conference tonight going to be about?
As usual, just about everything.
About how we are ‘the hottest country’, how his administration is ‘doing the best in history’, how Dumbocrats have such bad policy, etc etc.
Of course he has to repeat those thing constantly because the Fake News will never report on them so he has to use his personal microphone time to get the word out.
Sensationalism, mostly.
Misdirection is the Governments greatest skill. Look over here, be mad about this, meanwhile we do this other shady shit over here.
Slightly different – misdirection is the politicians greatest skill.
Turns out the person posting on X was lying about this happening. Haha.
Im shocked. Just another reason to not have it.
We need some controversy to hassle over!
No Way!!
You are so wrong about this point!!!
(will that work?)
JJ McCarthy is destined for great things. He will be 2027 if not 2026 MVP.
Ok NLV, your turn?
The GM has the final say on the 53 man roster according to the Wilfs. That bugs me. The GM brings in 90 players in the offseason via the existing roster, draft picks, and free agents, to compete for that final 53 man roster. These athletes work with the coaching staff every day in meetings, the weight room, and on the practice field. The coaching staff knows which players are the best fits for their schemes. The GM isn’t there every day in every meeting, every practice, etc. How is it he is going to select the final 53? The Wilf’s are being really stupid here.
You lost me a little here (but agree about roster)?
JV was saying McCarthy was going to be an MVP.
I thought you might have a differing opinion on that.
You lost me a little here (but agree about roster)?
JV was saying McCarthy was going to be an MVP.
I thought you might have a
differingwrong opinion on that.FIFY
Oh, sorry JR I thought you were asking me to stir the pot on some topic.
McCarthy showed so little acumen in running an NFL offense efficiently last year it would be hard for me to imagine him going from being one of the worst QB’s in the league, to an MVP this year. He’s still learning how to throw a football properly in his 3rd year in the NFL. I think KOC was very displeased with McCarthy’s play last year. VERY displeased. He went and got Murray at a bargain basement price, because literally ANY QB would be a big improvement over what McCarthy was doing last year.
Thought you might see it differently
I might be just misremembering, but I thought I read somewhere that KOC actually stated he would be surprised if McCarthy returned this year, significantly improved from last year. That comment is in my head, and I can’t remember where I saw it.
It told me though that he was clearly not expecting much from McCarthy. He’ll be fair, and he’ll give McCarthy the opportunity, but in the end, he’s not sacrificing ANOTHER season in the name of developing JJM. He’s done with that. JJM can learn and develop on the sidelines. He’ll put a guy on the field who already knows how to play QB in the NFL.
No way in hell KOC is going to throw away another season. His butt about winning playoffs is now on the line.
I honestly don’t think it is. Murry is being paid to stay away from the Cards for a reason. I think this is yet another rebuilding, see what you have, maybe get lucky type of year.
Brosmer on line 2.
The same way a CEO makes decisions without attending every meeting within the company. They get insight from their subordinates and make a final decision.
It’s actually simpler than that.
As a CEO you are “responsible” for all the decisions – the ones you make yourself as well as the ones subordinates have made.
That could simply mean he has the final say in a dispute. Let’s say Flores wants a defensive guy to get the last spot and the OC wants a 6th WR to get that spot. KOC doesn’t care either way or maybe even leans one way but meh, the GM’s job as the head manager is to make the final decision. Even if you run a mostly collaborative organization, somebody has to be in charge. It doesn’t have to be military level controls, but “everybody is equal” triangle of authority shit doesn’t work either.
So what I read was the Wilf’s said the GM has the final say on the 53 man roster. I read that to mean if the HC wants to keep a certain player, and the GM wants to keep a different player, the Head Coach has to acquiesce. To me, that’s like a CEO doing all the hiring, without doing all the interviews or assessments of the applicants.
So you are worried Teasley doesn’t like Wentz. Haha
Wow… that’s a weird take. Guess you have some agenda I’m unaware of.
No, I think the coaches that are responsible to produce on the field, need to pick the guys that they think are best suited to do that, not an exec sitting in an office, reading contracts. And yes, I know this is how the NFL works. I’ve seen Draft Day. I think it’s a bad way to operate. The coach gets fired if he doesn’t win, but he has a guy who’s rarely in the room with the final say on the roster? That math doesn’t add up for me.
What goes around comes around. Karma maybe.
Wentz because on injury sort of got cheated out of a SB.
Maybe he can actually win one this year here to make up for it.
It was a joke, hence the haha.
Clearly… I still don’t see any humor there.
So based on your uninformed opinion that is based on reading a news headline the Vikings are doing it wrong? Got it. At the end of the day, somebody has to be in charge. Yeah, the GM might have the last say. The HC may want to keep a player as a 2nd or 3rd stringer that contractually means the team has to cut others. That means the GM needs to say no. Saying that the GM has the final say does not mean that there is not an expectation of work togetherness. That is simply your military experience clouding your view of a simple, innocuous headline.
What NLV is suggesting is NOT the “military experience” at all. They actauly do what he is advocating against.
Which is why he’s advocating against it. He is assuming from a little comment that the Vikings have just made the new GM an all powerful general who will not take any input from anybody. Nowhere has that been said. The dude hasn’t even gotten his office set up yet and we got doofusses saying he’s dumb already.
Then this is all a “misunderstanding.”
A general, a CEO may or may not take input, but ultimately they are responsible for the decision regardless of decision process.
All that really matters is who is ultimately responsible.
In this case, I have no idea.
Agreed, so saying that the Vikings making the boss be the guy in charge is a stupid approach, is just a ridiculous statement from an uninformed simpleton.
So your uninformed perspective is more valid that my uninformed perspective. Hmmm.
That’s some ego you got there Bow. For a guy who told us all how great McCarthy was ad nauseum.
No, I don’t have an opinion of what they are doing because I don’t know what they are doing. I am simply saying that I am not a simple enough person to read a headline and decide I know what they are doing and say that they are wrong. I also have a little bit of experience in how management works and am smart enough to give them a chance to have the GM in place for more than 2 days before I’m going to say they’re stupid.
Oh don’t sell yourself short… you’re plenty simple.
Nah, I can think beyond Twitter headlines. Unless you mean that I enjoy sitting on a mountain top without cell service as simple, then you’d be correct.
I think the crap you spew is plenty simple and really uninformed. Just my humble opinion of course.
You’re right. Saying to think deeper than a clickbait headline with no information is the simpleton approach, not coming up with a supposedly deep opinion based on a simple headline with no information.
Nice self portrait…
MVP of the bench? Practice Squad??
I very much want JJ (QB) to succeed but at this point I believe it will be a long road much like Sam’s was.
Happy Wednesday, or as I call it ‘The day with too many letters’.
The Teacher said it was one of the hardest words to teach 1st graders to spell.
Funny, I learned it by breaking it down… Wed-nes-day. I picked it up pretty much immediately.
I used that one as well.
And Island = ‘Is Land’ among others.
I helped my nephews with spelling quizzes that way.
Yep, how I learned to spell island too.
I even learned to spell ‘bicycle’ by picturing the B as the seat and backrest, the two Cs as the chain sprockets, the Y as the pedals, the L as the handlebars and the E as the front wheel.
Dyslexia makes spelling a challenge sometimes.
OK, that officially confuses me, but obviously it works for you.
Hmmm.
It makes perfect sense to me, a bit unconventional sure, but logical.
That reminds me of the common core math principles. To help kids make math easier, we are going to add more math to the problem.
Only it wasn’t taught to me, it was something I came up with myself.
My brothers and I put together our own bikes and repaired them a often so it worked for me.
Per Google – Wednesday is spelled the way it is because it literally means “Woden’s Day”. The name comes from Old English (Wōdnesdæg), which was used by Anglo-Saxon tribes to honor Woden (better known as Odin), the supreme god in Norse and Germanic mythology.
The Secret Life of Words is a great course that tells about lots of words that English borrowed from older/other languages.
The Teacher and I listened to it on long trips, along with other similar others.
https://shop.thegreatcourses.com/the-secret-life-of-words-english-words-and-their-origins
I love how many days of the week are named after Norse gods.
I know this will set some folks off… so I apologize up front. I just can’t help myself…
Dr Oz did really well at the briefing.
He had all of the medical related stuff nailed down tight and on the other such stuff. such as the new DNI, he just said ‘not in my lane, I know nothing about it’.
Why will it set people off?
Seemed like a pretty good answer to me.
It will set off the people with TDS which seems to be about 1/3rd of the population.
On this site?
On this site it is a quite a bit less, maybe 10%.
I was referring to nationally.
There’s always some in every crowd JR. Trump is a powerful leader and the Dem’s hate that. But the tide continues turn in his favor. Little by little all around the world, the Trump effect is taking hold. Common sense, practical and prudent leadership, and safety, security and prosperity for all.
I love it….and while i dont like Oz, he is right.
Minnesota Vikings Pride – vikings.com
Did you expect anything different??
Once they went with Gay Cheerleaders you knew that they were going to lead the charge on this.
Nine NFL teams have decided not to join in the Pride month madness – including the New Orleans Saints – hell in New Orleans you can find a drag queen on every corner but the Saints aren’t participating…good for them!
YES!!! Street cred….
So your point is all of the drag queens in New Orleans work for the *Aints?????
Well they might, you never know!
Always wonder why the 6 other ‘deadly sins’ don’t get a month of their own as well.
For me, June is Dairy month. Has been since I was a kid.
Dow doing good so far today.
#nojinx of course.
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Never saw anything like this under Biden. Despite the lawfare trying to stop all the great things Trump is doing to make the economy grow, and the Fed fighting him tooth and nail, Trump keeps making things better.
He needs to get this Iran thing over soon .
‘over soon’
Soon would be good.
But getting it over with properly is more important-er IMHO.
There’s probably disagreement over ‘properly.’
And I am in the minority of what’s right. Some (many) would say if we can ink a deal where they agree to no more nuclear ambitions and opening the straight, good deal. I personally think that deal, or any for that matter, isn’t worth 2 cents. You cannot deal with or trust terrorists.
I am untrusting if Iran as well.
Current rumors have the Iranians giving up their nuke program, the US going in with the Atomic Commission and getting the ‘dust’ and then constant oversight and inspections of Iran.
I know that even that is only good enough for as long as we have good administrations keeping Iran honest. Once the Dims get in charge we will have another Obumma deal where we are sending them planeloads of cash.
Should have never been a thing to begin with
Disagree…Every President and presidential candidate since Obama has said Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon. They have continued to pursue that path. Trump had the stones to do something about it….I guess Obama did too – he sent them boat loads of cash and asked them pretty please to stop…yeah that didn’t work.
I dont buy this nuclear weapon fear mongering. I have my own theories based off of other details and findings from other people. If Iran wanted a Nuke they could have gotten one easily from another country that backed them, perhaps even China. I dont buy a Goddamn thing that has come from our Government in the last 80 years, any president, any party. Its fine you disagree with me, but I will always stand this war is not good for America, not the average citizen and certainly no soldier. There’s ulterior motives here, where other people, including Trump stand to profit off of it. And you have no further to look than Gaza and Israel to follow the money trail. And I say that as someone who voted for the guy. I will never gob on the knob of any politician or president, I think its pathetic behavior. But thats a separate thing.
Yes, we will agree to disagree. Not sure what you are talking about regarding the Gaza and Israel money trail. The only thing I know about that whole mess was that 3500 innocent Jewish Civilians were slaughtered. If extremists from Canada would cross our border and wipe out 3500 civilians I would be in favor of killing everyone living in Canada.
His concerns are legit because he heard them from ‘other people’, probably on the Internet.
And as we all know everything you hear/read on the Internet is true.
The interwebby is filled with truthiness!!!
People believe what they want to believe. So if you want to believe dumb things ie the earth is flat then you can find ‘proof’ in that Inter Web Thingie.
Its hard for me to understand how people can believe that the earth is flat – despite all of the evidence.
Its equally hard for me to believe that people believe socialism/communism works, despite all of the evidence, and yet we have AOC and Bernie et al….
Well the Socialism/Communism thing is due to lack of education. People want to believe it works because Capatalism is hard work and the government giving you stuff is easier.
So they prefer going Commie.
The Flat Earth thing I agree with you on, it is just crazy.
You are dead right on the Socialism/Communism thing…easier to lay back and let daddy government take care of you.
Or let Daddy Government tell you what to fear and support.
I can flip that “His concerns are legit because he heard it on Fox news, probably who are being told what to push and say because everything on MSM and TV is true”. See how easy that was?
New Gaza, is all I will say. What was the biggest thing that was keeping New Gaza (that, if built many people stand to profit massively from it, including Trump) Hamas. Who was funding Hamas? Iran. What’s the fastest way to cut funding to Hamas so they go away, and New Gaza real-estate deals, as well as Oil deals and access that are just off the coast can proceed? Cut the funding to Hamas, so war with Iran to kill the leaders that were funding them. Who was actively trying to keep the US and advising Trump to stay out of Iran, very publicly documented? As well as warning us to stay out of the bead with Israel and to cut their influence over the US and its Government? Charlie Kirk. Whose dead now and the investigation into how and why gets shut down to this day by internal parties. Who Didn’t really give a shit that Kirk got shot and brought up a new Ball Room in the same breath? Trump.
O.K. thanks for that enlightenment. That is quite the narrative.
Do you think every member of Hamas and all of those who supported them deserve to die for their attack and slaughter of Jewish civilians?
I am just trying to understand if I am dealing with an anti-Semite…but yes you can be against Trump and not be an anti-Semite – just want to understand where you stand…
Too many old, sad white guys slurping up the orange kool-aid Fox News waterboards them with and then relay in this echo chamber for approval. Predictably comical.
Been over JR. We’ve done all we need to do. Destroyed their Navy, their Air Force, their missile sites, their military industrial complex, their nuclear capability, and their economy. The work is done. We’re just holding the line until Iran implodes. There are many other things happening too, that will eventually come to light. Might be a few years though.
Also, don’t forget the Abraham Accords that Trump is working on. These accords align Arab Nations with Israel and against Iran. He’s the only President to ever make real headway in the Middle East peace process, pulling levers no other President ever attempted. He has the entire Middle East by the short hairs, and the media insists Iran is winning. Really? What threat do they pose anymore? Just watch as the Iranian Regime eventually crumbles.
Nah, supposedly Trump is only doing these things to make himself wealthier!!
If Trump brings peace to the middle east, something no one believed possible, then I don’t mind if he makes a profit on it. Heck most of the world will make a profit on that.
I heard that DJT had made over $1B the 1st year he has been back in office. Lib was happy to point that out until it was pointed out that $1B was less than he (and his buisneses/companies/investments) made the year before he got back into office.
Yeah context matters, he is making less now that he is back in office.
“Peace to the middle east” ??? C,mon man, it ain’t happening.
Well except gas prices and beef prices…they are certainly not better.
Gas prices, and prices in general (remember the egg crisis?) were falling when Trump was advised that Iran had the components, ability and delivery system to produce a nuclear weapon and use it. There were an number of reasons we went in when we did, that will eventually be revealed. Trump knew the likely result would be higher fuel prices, but he also knows, that will be a temporary effect. I also note, there was zero focus on the cost of anything under Biden, when everything went up dramatically.
Beef prices are largely up because cattle numbers are down. Drought, disease, and slow repopulation have led to herds that were thinner than ever in 2025. This, combined with how tariffs on foreign goods are limiting imported competition, has created ongoing supply-and-demand fueled price hikes on beef.
Trump is reducing tariffs and working to increase supply, which will eventually bring prices down.
Jack Link is hoarding cattle.
Since I am losing my job at the end of June, I will need some money to live on next year (this year is covered with severance etc), my financial advisor told me to take that money out of my 401k now and stick it CDs until next year….market is too high, election uncertainty forthcoming, etc….I agree with her.
Former T’wolves coach Rick Adelman died, he was 79.
RIP
Mostly known as HC of the 90s trailblazers, might have won a chip if not for Micheal Jordan dominating Clyde Drexler, also coached the kings when they were good.
For what its worth: https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/new-report-suggests-jj-mccarthy-wants-out-of-minnesota-questions-his-maturity
I could see that.
3M (Mighty Midget/Mouse Murray) is going to be QB 1 so JJ (QB) has to wait for an injury to get his chance, that is if he can beat out Wentz (probable as the brain trust has more infested in McFragile).
This was a piece that was inevitable. Sooner or later some pundit was bound to push this narrative out, backed by some anonymous, but credible source.
JJM has a long way to go in both personal maturity and ability to run an NFL offense IMO. That said, he has to know, all the teams in the NFL have their starting QB situation set or close to set for 2026. If he’s traded, he’s not going to be QB1, and might never be again. Just like RGIII. His agent has to be advising him here. I doubt there’s much more to this story than one person’s view.
LaCanfora sucks, he is always reporting what an anonymous so and so said. He never gets anything right. I believe he was the last one saying “according to anonymous sources A-A-Ron has all but signed with the Vikings” last year.
Went from the NFL Network years ago, to “SportsBoom”.
Likely just a click hub publication.
No, that is the natural progression in sports writing. Start at the top and move down the ladder.
He is assuming that Murray is the starter, I don’t think he will be. According to reliable sources JJ is going to start and Murray is QB3, behind Brosmer.
Lol, that sounds right.
Yeah, I heard that too!
Still blows my mind how nearly everyone just gave Myles Garrett a pass for trying to murder Mason Rudolph on the field with his helmet and then lying about using racial terms. Guy should have been banned for at least a year, if not his career, IMO. Assault/attempted murder and then lying about racism. Yikes. Can’t respect that dude in any way. I hope his career flames out with the Rams.
Same here, such behavior should have mandated being banned for at least half a season, if not for a whole year. Garrett got away with stuff one shouldn’t get away with, at least not as easily as in his case.
Problem was, who was going to call him on the fake racism claim? Especially in that political climate, that was just the start of the BS woke-ism train back then. Or was that post 2020?
Can’t remember what year it was, but nobody will ever have consequences for faking that shit – like you said, partly because nobody will ever call them out on it. If I recall correctly, one of the players themselves or nearby was mic’d up, and also they record EVERYTHING on the field with different equipment, so if there was true racist remarks, they would have undoubtedly come out. Garrett is a POS in my opinion – instead of apologizing he doubled down and made up lies.
I feel the same way about him. I felt he should have been banned from the NFL when it happened.
Yeah, if they’re really concerned about their image as much as they say, that sends a message that we aren’t going to deal with this crap in the future (and legitimately so).
Doesn’t work that way. This is ONLY a one way street and no one cares how many times ‘you claim the sky is falling.’
Il call people on it “Put it back in the deck” is still my favorite response to it.
As I recall Mike Tomlin called Garrett out – but not much came of it.
I haven’t figured out why that was dropped and never talked about again.
lol where is Stu when you need him
Yeah, basically bashed his skull in with a sledgehammer, surprised Rudolph is still alive.
It sounds like you’re being facetious, but hitting someone in the head with a hard metal object could be fatal. That being said, I doubt his intent was to kill Rudolph. Regardless, it’s not a football play, and it’s much worse than a shoving, slapping, or even fistfight like you may often see in the NFL. Most definitely not a “football play” and should have come with a season+ suspension IMO.
Nate Burleson reporting on the Myles Garrett trade for CBS this morning and he made an interesting prediction.
He thinks Aaron Donald will come out of retirement to play with Myles.
This doesn’t seem far fetched to me. Donald still works out, hard. Jared Verse (the guy Garett was traded for) spoke on a podcast last year about working out with Donald in the offseason – and the pre-workout routine was enough to leave Verse exhausted.
Both of those dudes on the same defensive line is terrifying.
That would be fun to watch.
Until the Rams destroy all 4 Vikings QBs in 1 game….
You’re talking two of the absolute best at shedding double teams – in league history. I don’t know how you’d scheme against that.
Double tight end set along with our new FB?
Then hope someone can get open as our few receivers will all be double covered by that point.
Teams didn’t know how to scheme against Henry Thomas, Chris doleman, and Johnny Randle either, unfortunately the opposition found it easy to scheme against the likes of Rich Gannon and Sean Salisbury.
We’re safe, the only way we would have to play them would be in the playoffs, and according to plenty of fans, there is no way we are making it to the playoffs.
They could make the playoffs.
Winning a playoff game is another level though.
We will probably have to win a playoff game to get to the Rams. They will likely get the first round bye.
I liked Nate as a Viking, as a media talking head he’s a self centered know it all sanctimonious arrogant prick.
It would be cool if Donald came back though.
Stop sugarcoating it Ben… tell us how you REALLY feel about Burleson.
He’s on “CBS” right!
lol, what can I say, I tell the truth, watch him for 30 seconds
Pass…
Right call, he’s the kind of guy who doesn’t need to, but wears glasses to look smart.
If that were to happen they will wreck havoc on every offense in the league. Two outsanding players.
That would be a devastating DLine.
Larry Fitzgerald Sr dead at 71.
RIP
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/06/02/longtime-minnesota-sports-journalist-larry-fitzgerald-sr-dies
Sad news. RIP sir.
Is she as ugly, or uglier?
Yes
looking for Vikings
Murderapolis is not listed because Somali’s have all the money there and they don’t bet on football. So there is no point in The Sharps elevating them to their list as they won’t make the Sports Books any extra money.
You deserve an A plus for creativity. And it may even be true.
I love a good, fake (probably) conspiracy theory.
I’m genuinely surprised that the media darlings FTP aren’t on the list.
Same, though pending health the lions are likely the best team in the north, bears had a horseshoe up their ass last year and very unlikely to win so many close games. Packers will likely be without parsons for the beginning of the season and may be without Jacobs as well. The Vikings will likely be a decent team, the finished just above.500 last year despite terrible QB play, mostly because the defense played well down the stretch. If Murray/jj/wentz can just not be numbnuts they might contend for the division
Kirk hasn’t played for the Vikings for several years now, it’s strange to me that people continue to discuss him, KDS is definitely a thing, both ways.
It is indeed interesting.
And adding to that it’s not like we haven’t had a ton of shitty QB play since he left to talk about.
And yet, no playoff wins with Kirk or without him, since the new regime.
Can you say overrated?
Right now it’s just this year for me – win a playoff game (maybe two) and one of the QB’s needs to step up.
He destroyed the Vikings chances of becoming a contender with the silly contracts.
Not his fault. Squarely on Wryck and Kwesi for paying too much.
I am afraid of that happening with Murray next season.
Kirko is fools gold, nothing more.
I just get wound up when his family/friends/ardent supporters post on here that he is “The most prolific passer in Vikings history” when that stat means nothing. game has changed completely since Sir Francis was running around. Kirko sucks when it matters.
Anyways,
Murray is QB1, until he gets murdered, then we will see if “9” can play better than average.
My guess is Wentz is the one that can take us to at least 1 playoff win, since we know that Brossmer cannot play well.
I have just stopped responding to the kirkophiles. Also, Wentz sucks but probably a little less than nein. Murray will likely get injured at some point though. I doubt Brosmer is even on the practice squad this season. Doom incoming.
Rec for Nein vs 9.
Eins will start over Nein.
Wentz will be on his couch this season, unless all 3 Vikings QBs have to miss games at the same time. We are not keeping JJ, Kyler and Carson on the53 man roster.
Never mind, I just re-read the rules and the emergency QB has to be on the 53 man roster, just not on the 48 man roster for games.
But if we keep the 3 QBs who works with the practice squad?
‘who works with the practice squad?’
Brosmer or whatever FA QB they sign to be their ‘defecation has hit the rotary impeller’ QB.
That would show a high level of confidence that 3M (Mighty Midget Murray) and JJ (QB) will be able to stay healthy.
Confidence that I for one do not have.
3M, nice one. Lol
Maybe ‘Mighty Mouse Murray’ would be more better.
I just like to poke the bear. I could care less about Kirko no matter where he is or what he is doing. Except for grilling, he should be locked up for his grilling skills.
Kirko “stepping up in a major way”
Raiders Host Offers Latest Buzz on Kirk Cousins from OTAs – Raiders Beat
Fricking stud.
Mendoza starting by week 6
Could happen, injuries are a thing, especially as players age.
He’ll start at the point where it’s apparent the raiders are not in playoff contention, might need later in the season when Mendoza takes over.
So now? I think the Raiders have already been eliminated.
IDK, we’ll see what Klint can do as HC, everyone on here hated him as OC so I’m sure everyone will assume he will also suck in Vegas. They did spend some money on good players in FA so we’ll see what they look like. That’s the best division in the NFL though so I wouldn’t expect any wins within barring injuries.
Most prolific OTA QB of all time I’m sure…..
Even calling it practice is a stretch. More like practice practice.
One could just call it having a catch.
I miss having a catch with my dad, we always went out at halftime of Vikings games and threw the ball around
We should all be so lucky as Ray, having another catch with our dad after he died
Guess what day it is!!!!
FTP
Skol
@So excited @
Sorry JacksonVike but while you and Surly show the same time of posting (6:14) his is showed as earlier on my puter so he gets the AutoRec.
Yours is of course appreciated as well, hence this explanation and a Rec.
I never should have read the mystical words up top first. Next time I will skip the reading and just jump right into the commenting.
Good plan, post and then read.
Kirko Tuesday auto rec
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Kirko still sucks.
Good morning, SKOL!
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