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The Packers are signing Greg Joseph, one of the worst kickers in the NFL over the last few years, in fact his wife even left him because he misses kicks
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Are the Vikings upgrading at Kicker regardless of who they bring in over Greg Joseph Sucks?
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You know for a site of alleged conservatives, differing points of view are not well received. There is inly one path forward.
Yeah… it’s an internet blog. Civility is not really the order of the day. If you disagree, folks will give you grief, and be ugly and impudent.
Just consider the source and don’t let it bother you.
That’s what I do.
So…I missed most of today’s fun. I spent 2 hours donating platelets this afternoon (yes, that does make me morally superior) and then busy at work.
I see I didn’t miss much…cheap KC shots, par for the course.
Standard operating procedure here. Thanks for donating. Very cool of you.
You’re a good man. World needs more good men.
LOL, political affiliation has no bearing on differing points of view being more or less received.
Sorry Ben. Living in a world where certain types of people welcome opposing views and others are more one way or nothing. I see it a lot in the liberal/conservative conversation. As such, I was implying the term as a broader way of thinking, not really politics.
And Ben, I’ve pretty much stopped posting. Tried some today, but expected results. So litttle further rantings.
I disagree with every comment on here.
Gump you’re a GD genius…
Some people think Pats take JJ. Caleb,Maye 1st. Not sure what Az wants for 4th.
You’re a cottonheaded ninny muggins.
Shucks, been called worse.
The NFL is planning on having two games this year on Christmas. That’s a Wednesday.
Either that one or the opener is going to be a double header with one of the games in Brazil or something too I think. That may be in the plans for 2025 too. I just caught the end of the report on the radio.
I may be too traditional, but all this schedule craziness irritates me.
Same here. I also hate the international games.
I HATE the international games too.
This picture was posted by Ian Rappaport in a tweet about Daniels meetings with teams, why does it look like his elbow is about to dislocate?
You’ve obviously never seen my golf swing… grin.
LOL
Temporary bursitis.
Looks to me like “skinny elbows”
Is that similar to skinny knees?
yeah, pretty much the same thing, just a different joint
I work out a different joint every day….
I actually thought of you as I typed the comment, lol
That is quite the something. Weird
Looks like the Bengals haven’t started contract negotiations with Ja’Marr Chase yet.
This is largely b/c Chase and the Bengals are waiting to see Justin Jefferson’s deal.
Just read this when I googled ‘minnesota vikings rumors’
No 1st or 2nd next year but this would give us a shot at a top 4 QB and keep the second 1st rounder acquired (albeit moving 4 picks back to 27)
Would you do this deal?
I saw this posted before somewhere. Ostensibly, you’re garnering the fourth best QB in the draft by giving up your first round pick in 2025 plus whatever KAM gave up to get the #23 pick. That’s a lot of capitol to put up for an unknown, unproven, commodity in my opinion.
I agree it’s a lot to pay – but all signs point to them making yet another trade to move up. I think, to some degree, KAM’s mind is made up regarding paying a high price. He knows he’ll have to in order to get within range to take one of those top 4 QBs. Most of the things I read have them already giving up next year’s 1st in some sort of trade up. This would allow us to add another player at 27 (or potentially trade back and possibly Re acquire draft capitol for next year, mitigating some of the damage from losing both 1st and 2nd round picks next year)
The bottom line is, you can end up missing wide right (and statistically speaking, you’re likely to) trying to get a QBOTF. If that player is a miss, you’re stuck for a couple years before you can try and pull off another high risk, shot in the dark. While people here don’t want to hear it, I watched this exact scenario play out with RGIII. Luckily, Mike Shanahan selected Cousins in the 4th round of that same draft. Then, when Griffin ended up being a failure, the Redskins had someone in the wings, who could actually play QB at the NFL level. When the Redskins let Cousins walk, they ended up going through a dozen QB’s (and counting) in the last 6 seasons. Replacing a top shelf QB isn’t as easy as folks think.
Technically, we wouldn’t know if the new QB is a miss for 2 years anyway. So, pull the trigger now, if it is a miss, we should have a better pick in 2026.
And that’s why they signed Darnold and there is no reason to not keep bringing guys in after you draft one. Worst case you have trade bait when the guy they draft this year is a super star. When, not if.
You’re leaving out the big chunk of trading away a lot of players (draft capitol) for a failure at QB.
You’re right. Look how far giving up a bunch of picks for a QB has set back the 49ers.
or the Redskins
This is an impractical solution in my opinion.
BOOM 🔥🔥
No boom here… I actually did answer the query…
You actually did. I was poking fun….
Its not as much to give up as it may seem, ultimately the Vikings would be trading #11, #42, #188, and a future 1st and 2nd for picks #4 and #27. As far as value charts are concerned that would be fairly even. Also, I would do it.
Agreed. We are overvaluing future picks like they are something you will never get again. Im fine giving up next years first if it means getting to 3 or 4. 5 and down should only be a 2nd.
Does seem a fair number of of folks here forget KC is gone – many in fact and usually the backhanded swipes.
Now, I’m no GM, but before I gave away a bunch of future money to get a bigger pike of money to go play roulette, I’d reread game theory or expected value theory. It’s hardly ‘nothing bet, nothing gained. Or, go big or go home’. But I guess GM’s think differently.
How GMs think…
Just out of curiosity for every ‘ big winner’ how many walk away broke?
Gotta remember that if they don’t take a swing, at this point it’s just as bad as a miss. Kwesi and KOC will be gone if they don’t try and they’ll be gone if they try and fail. The only way they keep their jobs is to get this pick right so F them picks.
Sorry, that’s a bit crazy to me. Situations matter.
You mentioned the Niners below. They had a stacked team and gave up a boat for Lance – but they already had a team we don’t.
Chiefs gave up some to get Mahomes. But again they were already a playoff team. We aren’t.
Now, I’m willing to gamble. I’d give up quite a bit for a shot at Williams – he MAY be another Mahomes or Allen. The other three 0r four or five – no way, not in our situation.
None, GM contracts are guaranteed just like coaches.
This is much ado about nothing and ironic that you and NVF are struggling with this concept. There’s two primary types of “capital” in the NFL: draft capital and “cap capital”.
For the past 6 seasons, we’ve burned an extraordinary amount of cap capital “betting” on a QB that won 1 playoff game.
Now, IMO, it’s time to try something different. Nothing is risk free but I’m happy to spend some draft capital, knowing we now have a lot more cap capital that can be used to strengthen other areas, to see if we can draft a QB that can win us more than 1 playoff game in the next 6 years.
Bingo. While its a risk, I think there is a better chance the draft the right guy and are able to build a competitive team than the chance they would have won a SB going the other route. The added benefit to the current route is that if you get it right, the franchise is in a great place for the next 15-20 years.
I’m not really arguing quite that. First Cousins is gone.
Like it or not we ‘must do something different’. For sure. But how we burn ‘draft capital’ is important given the state of our team.
I think,Williams may be a generational talent and would be willing to spend pretty big for him. Even then, hit rate is probably less than 50% and that’s kind.
Now, the rest, not generational talent – maybe, less than 10%.
So, I’ll take a QB at 11, and use draft capital for other holes.
I’m really not struggling, but if I can’t get Williams, I’m not sold the others are worth giving up a lot of draft capital.
Absolutely.
Maybe FTP will release Carlson prematurely like Zimmer did with his brother and vikes pick him up, and he turns out awesome like Daniel did with the raiders
Kirko and the Falcons in NFL jail yet?
Im too busy to check.
Happy Hump Day!
She’s hot and crazy, that’s the best kind.
Yeah, this your idea of hot
Didn’t need him though
I blame he who should not be named. He was going to tell him to take a hike.
This guy gets it. Sounds like they’ll be taking Joe Alt.
Or trading to 11 and 23 so his boy can get drafted and they get 2 linemen.
i think Alt is going to Tennessee….
i have some….inside information
I remember back in the DN days for years I would always be pounding the table for OL in drafts and I would be told how dumb I was and made fun of. Good times haha.
NOYST
Yeah, that’s pretty much how it works, I get called dum dum all the time
This is as simpleton as it gets, but some folks don’t get it. Poor O-lines generally result in your running game being weak to non-existent, and your QB getting hit a lot. Wish the Vikings understood this, and hired someone capable of building a competent unit. Our interior line has been weak for a long time.
QBs holding onto the ball too long means they get hit more often as well.
Your reply intones the Vikings IOL is fine…
My tone. On the internet. In typed words…
Whatever
Any tone is being read into the factual statement based on your bias.
Or more specifically in this case your bias…
What I stated was a fact with no interpretation or intonation involved.
Right… keep telling yourself this…
What are you smoking today? Tell me what part of what I said is false.
I never spoke to that, now did I?
You’re talking about my tone and bias. I made a factual statement that you then snarkily disputed as fact without telling me how anything I said is wrong or subjective.
I think you’re twisting this around… you made the snark reply to me. Try to keep it real.
How dare you say Kirk held on to the ball too long. DONT YOU KNOW HE’S A FOOTBALL GOD!!!! KNEEL AS HIS FEET YOU BLASHPHEMER!
He didn’t say that
“QBs holding onto the ball too long means they get hit more often as well.”
and where did he say “Kirk Cousins”?
It was in reply to your comment stating you wished the Vikings would do something about the O line stating that that was the problem with the offense. Natural order of thought would say his response was about Bambi in an 8 jersey.
So… in your mind he “intoned” Cousins was the problem, not the O-line?
Its a little column A and a little column B. If you could just admit that there was moments when sacks, turn overs, picks etc were on Cousins and him holding the ball too long. Not every time, but at least half.
Just a general comment. Nothing else. QB pressures are not strictly a line issue. Look at Fields. Really high sack rate, but when his backup played, much lower pressure rate.
Oh agreed, both parties and their skill sets go into it. Its not black and white as other like to make it.
Oh my gosh – what a great comment. Who would have thought a QB that holds the ball to long will take more hits. Remarkable really.
I’ll bet there’s a corollary to your thought – something about pocket versus scramblers – but I’ll let you post that later.
Yeah, I bet there’s a correlation to QBs who hold the ball longer than average that aren’t mobile throwing the ball short of the sticks on 4th down in the playoffs.
And you can write all day that your original post in reply to NLV’s post was just an innocent purely matter of fact statement.
I made no mention of a certain QB yet you brought that up. Why?
Doesn’t matter, don’t post much anymore – this has gotten like watching MSNBC with TDS only KDS here.
Yep, like the news stations you reference, don’t read the actual statement, decide what you think I meant by it. A matter of fact statement obviously isn’t matter of fact because you know what I was thinking better than I do.
Ask KFEY what you were thinking… he clued us in.
So why would a guy state – “if you hold the ball….. etc. Do you really believe anybody on this site DOESN’t ALREADY KNOW IT? If not, they should be on the cooking network.
And no matter how PURE we ALL think we are being in our thinking – we all have our biases, many subcounaus ( too lazy to look up spelling). .
Because I was replying to a comment about QBs getting hit and reminding somebody who forgets a lot that there is more to QB pressures than just poor O-line play.
Really. OK. As a casual observer here, this site is loaded with haters and I hardly think they need any type of reminder to place blame.
But who cares.
Fields did the same thing in college and took tons of sacks, he’d stand and stare down his first read until that player got open, he got sacked, or was pressured and ran, not really sustainable in the NFL.
Had to be because he’s played behind nothing but crap o-lines.
He had tons of time in college, Pros maybe not but it doesn’t matter, he sucks.
Yeah, that actually was a smart ass comment just because I’ve heard that argument for others more times than I can count.
I’m sure depending on narrative it will be an excuse for the next Vikings QB too.
I find this comment odd Ben. The previous Vikings QB was the most prolific in their history, by a very wide margin. What is there to excuse? He played behind one of the worst pass blocking O-lines in league, and put up spectacular numbers. What’s the excuse?
Maybe the lines he has played behind look worse than they really are because he has had a longer than average time to throw for his entire career or a little of both? The other option would be WRs not getting open, but having good WRs has not been an issue. At least not for the last 6 years.
Good grief. Cousins at times does hold the ball too long AND a lot times our pass blocking has been crap too.
And out schemes have long developing plays too.
And WR’s getting open- and how soon – is a whole other discussion.
Oh, but if the world were black and white.
Maybe that’s why I said it’s a little bit of both? Darrisaw is one of the best in the league. O’Neill is pretty damn solid and Bradbury is not as bad as most here like to think. You’re not going to have All Pros at every position, ever. I said the same thing as you and you got huffy, that makes sense.
You are now saying 2/3 of the line is fine. How many times has Bradbury been deposited in the QB’s lap? Good grief…. you will literally say anything to denigrate Cousins. Just KDS here, nothing more.
It’s not though. Kirk did just fine putting up stats as you have pointed out about a million times. Many teams in the league would swap O-lines in a heartbeat. Saying the o-line is not as bad as it is made out to be here is not crazy and it is not a shot at anybody, but any comment ever made that could possibly be the tiniest shot at dear ole kirky has you running with your hair on fire. It is more nuanced than simply the line is bad. You can’t have some of the best at their position on that line and be as bad as you make them out to be. Your ridiculous jump to say they are garbage is just as ridiculous as saying that Kirk is a 100% spaz.
No…. you just over invest yourself in contradicting me. It’s obvious to all BTW.
Lots of variables judging QB play, pretty much have to dissect every play.
didn’t get huffy. It’s complicated. And our guards are poor and that has been a problem.
I thought you said ‘maybe the lines look worse….” , didn’t read that as some of both as I said. .
Now, I personally don’t care about QB hits and thought the line was pretty good last year. Not run blocking though.
You seem to just like to take pokes at NLV – he could say it’s dark outside and you’d say there’s a quarter moon.
Sometimes, but sometimes ridiculous comments and hyperbole need to be pointed out. And agree on run blocking. I’m curious to see how it looks with Jones this year. How much of it truly was the line and how much was Mattison being garbage? They looked better with Akers and then Chandler back there.
Bring back Rich Karlis!!
SKOL!
That is a name I have not heard for many years.
Here’s another:
Donald Igwebuike
Rich Karlis once kicked 7 FGs in a game, it was the famous “fuckers” game
Such a great sound bite
Quite possibly the greatest post game presser ever
They are who we thought they were was a pretty good one too. I’d put Burnsie ahead though.
Yeah, anytime you call your fan base fuckers its pretty epic, but Denny’s was great, also Herm Edwards and Mora had some great ones over the years
My eyes!!! ….so is the meme going around is that he’s gay now? With the whole pink lipstick and finger nails?
Apparently.
The first trans QB in NFL history, how brave. stunning.
That is a disgusting act
If it was a hot girl would you have a problem with it? Is the act actually disgusting?
Yes
You might not be a tiger but you’re sure a lion here. I guarantee if someone posted a god of a hot girl shaking her ass etc… In the same setting… You wouldn’t post “disgusting act”.
yes
Yes, unless she finishes it by banging a Soda Machine.
Love it! 😂
Vikings kicker history…..
Kickers are dumb. NFL teams should be working to find ways to make kickers irrelevant.
The double doink miss by the Bears still makes me laugh…
…and the Head Coach’s reaction is classic! LOL!
It is amazing when one thinks about how much money and time is put on the whims of a leg, an oblong object wobbling through the air and distance.
In the case of the Vikings, probably our best chance at winning a Super Bowl in 60 years of existence came down to a ball launched with Gary Anderson’s toe.
It’s silly!
Amen to that, Brother.
Sooo just remove field goals from the game? I disagree. Maybe im a purest but I think its a tough skill to master and having a great kicker can change how you run an offense and take risks. Just because the Vikings havent had a good one in forever doesnt mean they should be removed. Just my 2 cents.
Not removed.
I would just do all I can to reduce kicking to generate points. For example, I would go for two every time. The statistics appear marginal. Extra point kicks are 94 percent effective. Going for two is 47 percent effective.
Especially, if conditions are suboptimal for kicking (outside, windy, raining, etc.), why are NFL teams even bothering with kicking extra points? Going for two gives you more control over the variables and double points if successful.
Likewise, I would go for it on fourth down more in the redzone. The chance for double points on an iffy FG should make it a wash over time.
Dan Campbell is the one on the verge of figuring it out. He is slightly too aggressive, though.
Zimmer was the absolute worse, I think. His philosophy seemed to be, “Okay, we are in FG range, let’s not do anything stupid like try to get a TD.”
With the way the NFL is gearing the game toward scoring, then go for the high score plays instead of settling for the kicking game.
Another fun thought, I had…why isn’t the QB the holder on all FGs so the fake is always in play?
In fact, why have a FG unit? Why can’t the regular offense handle lining up for a FG, with the QB at holder?
Are they afraid of QB injury or something? I can’t think of the last FG holder who got injured…
Once upon a time it was common for the backup QB to be the holder. Not sure why they went away from it other than timing with the kicker and a dedicated holder being able to work with the kicker and long snapper while the rest of the players run.
didn’t brad johnson always hold for us? maybe i’m misremembering
Because QBs are darlings and must not be touched. Idk if teams feel having them be the kicker increases the chances of an injury?
Was pretty common to have a QB as the holder, usually the backup.
I’m not certain, but it feels like this practice went away after the infamous Tony Romo botched FG (or PAT, don’t remember) against Seattle in the playoffs.
Lot of folks th0ught QB’s had good hands, were used to handling the ball – bad snaps – and could do a fake once in a while.
Greg Joseph to the FTP? I’m sure he’ll be a Pro-Bowler this year, because, it’s the Vikings way….
GM
FTP
SKOL
Happy Hump Day!
No pregnant gifs yet? You guys are slacking!
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
Happy Hump Day!
Yay! The best!
We need this one, as well…
The Viking way…