Welcome to the third straight victory Monday. It’s a good thing we keep winning, Daunte Moore’s future isn’t looking to good. Hopefully, he will make a full recovery. I know I’m in the minority, but after watching Murray, I think it is time to put JJ in and see what he can do. Both Wentz and Murray have struggled with accuracy and have put our receivers in tough spots.
Viking News –
JJ traded to New York for a bag of balls
KOC’s Update On JJettas Injury
https://www.vikings.com/news/jordan-addison-touchdown-catch-week-3-buccaneers
https://www.vikings.com/news/buccaneers-week-3-game-observations-isaiah-rodgers-homecoming
https://www.vikings.com/news/myles-price-punt-return-touchdown-buccaneers-week-3
NFL News:
Does New England Have a Maye Problem
Daily Media:
I am confused, if all teams suck once the Vikings beat them then why are the Bores beating undefeated Filthadelpia 20-7??
27-7 with 7:19 left in the 4th.
Iggles look bad. I love it!
Final!!
Flores is simply out coaching the opposing OC. They all know what he will do, they just dont know how he will do it. Our offense has the opposite issue. The opposing DC know exactly how we will operate.
Keenum has no fear of sending it.
Our QBs need a dose of that.
He has always been a ‘gunslinger’.
Zim did not appreciate that.
Still 7-0 Bores, then both teams got inside the 5 and came up with nada.
Bores turned over on downs and Dalton threw an Int for Filthy.
Oh yeah Hurts to the blue tent, looked ok jogging in but what do I know?
He looked pissed for having to go in.
A baby….
He is back in the game but not helping them much.
Keenum looks better than all our QBs
The last true great time to be a Vikings fan. 2024 came close. Until it didn’t.
Meteor Game.
It is good for us now matter what happens. Personally I would like to see the Bores lose another one but I can’t get mad if Filthy loses either.
I hate both teams. Maybe i should cheer for a tie
I like Keenum but hate the Bores.
Just like I liked Teddy but hate the *Aints and Loins.
I miss Teddy. I haven’t been able to find anything about what he’s doing since he retired at the end of summer. Guessing he’s just trying to rehab his knee, which hopefully (but is not guaranteed) to be successful.
The same Case Keenum that took the vikes to an NFC championship game. He went 11-3 that year, 2017, after Bradford went down. Minneapolis miracle. Fun year until the Philly beat us. He’s average, but a baller. Wonder what could have been if we’d stuck with him and built up our team a little more with the money that we gave kirky instead.
We can all dream…
I’d like to see him with our Offense right now. Guarantee theyd be scoring more than 1 TD every other game
‘He’s average, but a baller’
The bookkeepers running the team wanted a safer option.
Yeah, I think it was more Speilman that wanted kirk. I think Zimmer would’ve been fine with keenum the following year if that money went to more defensive help imo.
That is a very low bar this season…..
Interesting article
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/50052903/nfl-minnesota-vikings-jj-mccarthy-trade-new-york-giants-kevin-occonnell
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57 years ago today Joe Kapp threw 7 td passes.
My first game that i remember watching.
I remember man landing on the moon, but I don’t remember Joe Kapp playing.
Bugs me a little.
Where are your priorities?
I was 7.
Im guessing my dad didn’t get into the Vikings until late in 1969 season.
Against the defending NFL Champion Baltimore Colts no less.
Gotta say, did not miss the toxic bullshit like we had to endure most of the off season.
Did not take long for that to start up again.
At least we have more to talk about, I guess.
Maybe my filter is different, but I didn’t see anything toxic on today’s thread. Maybe I’m the problem?
We all know this team is a paper tiger. Without a decent QB and robust running game we’re cooked sooner or later, but I like seeing the defense getting hotter and hotter. 2028 with Dante Moore, oh baby we will fly!
It might be a situation where someone posted a reminder to everyone about their past comments. Then they had second thoughts and deleted it.
Reminds me of that time KOC was sitting behind me in 1st class on a flight from MCO to MSP. That was a month before JJM was drafted and this is the book he was reading (truthfully)
In fairness his daughter was sitting next to him. Still, I might have known they would pick a winner.
So he was reading a children’s book to his daughter? What an indictment.
I know, right? He should be institutionalized.
I myself enjoy a little Richard Scarry from time to time. Wonder if he did any radiology books?
I like Dr suess myself
PS I texted Rob that I was on the same plane as KOC and he told me to tell him to draft Bo Nix. Damnit!
^^^true story
Just checked in. Wow, didn’t see that one coming. I thought for sure they wouldn’t trade him this season. I think this is the proof that JJ was NOT the pick KOC wanted in that draft. Just another reason why our old GM is gone. Our new GM just made his first huge move as the boss. I wish JJ all the best, seems like a good dude, but just wasn’t going to work out here.
Maybe Baker has had enough of Tampa and will come to Minnesota this offseason.
Maybe before the trade deadline?
Next year’s 1st and 4th? Ah the Bradford days.
It’s unAmerican to not mortgage your future for a better today
Going to be hard since he signed an extension before the season started.
I must have missed that one. Last I heard he was calling off negotiations and then hunting season started.
So that leaves Kirko and Watson as free agents currently available in 2027. Murray is going to get $55 per year minimum.
Or maybe the new GM will bring Locke in.
Gross
Not at his current level of play
It’s the Vikings. Murray will do enough to get into the playoffs and they will panic after losing Darnold and Jones, especially with no viable options that I see coming up in free agency.
My nightmare of this past offseason is slowly coming to fruition. But hey we are 3-0 on the basis of one offensive TD last two games. Defense wins championships! You can always count on a special teams or defensive TD or two plus 55+ yard FG’s.
Murray ain’t getting shit unless he leads them to the playoffs
I wonder if NE would take the deal for Maye at this point?
Jefferson avoids major injury, could play this week per ESPN
Well, that’s good news. I worry about his tight jump cut route running on a sprained ligament, but he is tough. Maybe Murray can help loosen it up by throwing the ball a yard behind him.
Nah, Murray is just gonna throw it low enough that Jets has to duck to catch it and go head to head with a defender, knock himself out and then he’ll get 2 extra weeks to heal the ankle.
I can get on board with that…I just don’t know if Murray can throw a low ball as even a shoe between him and the receiver is too high for him to throw a flat trajectory (“1” ball as Tom Brady calls it).
Just read an interesting take from a Giant’s site and this fan is very upbeat about JJ. He’s got it figured out:
KOC dumped Darnold and he’s doing pretty good.
KOC dumped Jones and he’s doing pretty good.
Seems to feel good about KOC’s rejects.
Somebody needs to inform this guy that those were KAM’s decisions. He didn’t want to pay the QB anything but minimum wage. JJM was also KAM’s decision. So he’s thinking wrong. KAM is 0-5 on QB decisions (Cousins, Darnold, Jones, McCarthy, and Sam Howell). He may be the single dumbest GM ever.
Based on his own comments, I think KOC was just as responsible for picking JJ, but he lost patience for the injuries.
KOC was just being the good guy here IMO. Support the team. He’s not going to say the guy we traded a bunch of picks for to move up in the draft and pick #10 overall isn’t good. Now is he?
No but he didn’t have to say that it was his choice as well now did he?
He never, ever said anything remotely close to that. He talked around the subject (as usual) saying things like “we as an organization felt it was time to bring a young QB in”.
Not wrong, but any QB seems to be a 9-8 team and one and done in the playoffs with KOC at the helm.
I just read the BSPN article on McFragile™, once again I can celebrate another milestone in Vikings history with the skoloholics/daily norsemen. Stadium protests, AD switch, Bridgewater knee amputation, Kirk Tuesdays, etc…ah what a wonderful world.
Thanks to you lot for keeping it fun!
The AD switch case led to “the list” ™, which was a whole lot of fun for me
I ‘member!
Great bit
many people got big mad
here’s an old gem
Teds articles during the early Zim years were gold. I was just finishing college at the time and I remember reading one while on my laptop at the library on campus and I had to shut the lid because I was trying not to bust a gut laughing in the quiet library.
They were great, especially Zim Zu something or other. I can’t quite remember the title but funny as heck.
I loved them. They were hilarious.
Case Keenum revenge game is tonight.
Is he playing? haha, awesome
NLNFV (or Skoloholics) deletes his antagonistic post.
Yeah…. wtf?
I get it was antagonistic, but didn’t feel it crossed any lines.
i dunno, not an admin.
I saw it and then it was gone – did it get deleted?
Makes a cople of later posts not to make sense or out of left field.
Perhaps he just rethought the tone.
I have done that before.
Just asking – can someone else deleter someone’s posts?
No.
Either he or an admin deleted it.
Well – knowing NLV would guess and admin
Only admins, I guess.
Didn’t think that post deserved to be deleted, unless NLNVF deleted it himself, for whatever reason.
I did… too over the top… I wasn’t wrong, but I didn’t need to be that personal.
I read the original and thought it wasn’t inappropriate, for what it’s worth. That said, I don’t have any problem with you choosing to delete it.
ppb, we came back from GJ, CO via the Rifle – Rawlins – Casper – Billings route. Much less scenic than the drive down but my wife was much happier.
On the way down to Moab we went through the Wind River and Big Horn ranges and south of Rock Springs took some very scenic and very twisty routes along the Green River and through Vernal. We were somewhere in the far western reaches of Colorado when my wife. lost. it. big. time. From battleship salvoes to (you guessed it) silent treatment. I kept pleading that it was Googly maps leading us on the route, to no avail. Where is a road atlas when you need it.
We were pulling into Billings after the 666 mile trip, and on the very last mile saw a spectacular road rage incident unfold behind, around, and in front of us. Road rager 1 escaped but road rager 2 slammed into the back of a minivan going about 80 in the left lane while the flow of traffic was about 60. Apparently I shrieked like a little girl but we were unscathed.
Gosh, that sounds frightening. Did you stop?
No, it would be too long a story, but suffice to say that traffic exiting at the King Ave exit was backed up to the prior exit because of a multiple vehicle accident on the overpass…which meant many more vehicles were proceeding to the Zoo exit. When I came over the I-94 overpass of King I could see traffic backed up at the Zoo exit two miles ahead, so I slowed down and slotted into the right lane. When the crash happened both the minivan and pickup pushed into the median, and both drivers were jawing away as I went by. There must have been 150 cars in that one mile stretch and I myself had gone halfway into the ditch as a semi was erk erk erking up behind me as traffic rapidly braked to a halt. I wasn’t going to stick around in that heavy traffic with people flying over the overpass at 70.
Oh, I see. I was picturing something totally different.
Glad you and lady-MT were unscathed!
Was just funny that it happened right at (virtually) journey’s end. By comparison, the drive home to GDV the next day was a walk in the park. I was content to let the truck drive itself (it has that BlueCruise option) but when road rager #2 tried to overtake #1 by cutting into my lane I was sure he was going to slam into my bumper, his hood dropped and started bouncing as he locked up the brakes with them big ol’ off road tires, but he jerked back into the left lane just in the nick of time to slam into the minivan about ten car lengths ahead of me. Blue Cruise was chirping about him coming up fast behind me and I was thinking I dare not hit the gas (hitting the car in front of me) or hitting the brake, so I just sorta rested my foot on the brake pedal and veered into the shoulder, while screaming like a little girl I guess.
I’m not hateful or spiteful by nature. I’m stubborn though. Folks have talked a LOT of smack to me here about QB’s. I maintain I am right about Cousins and McCarthy. JJM can’t hold a candle to Cousins, and never will. The Achilles injury in 2023 was pretty sad. He was leading the league in passing TD’s with 18 through 8 games, and 2nd in passing yards. I think we could have won out, and made it to the Super Bowl that year.
According to some, leading the league in TD’s and 2nd in yards does NOT make you in the MVP race though.
No it certainly doesn’t. But how far do you think this team could go with that level of QB play?
I think we’re gonna need a guy that can turn Gatorade into wine and feed the whole team with a single fish before we can make it to the Super Bowl.
PS I hope Dante Moore is recovering nicely from his concussion.
Is Dante the only one you like? I follow a little bit of college ball and there are some good prospects out there. Gonna be a loaded QB class in the ’27 draft, especially if the juniors declare.
You have restored my faith in mankind. Now, Trump he is killing my spirit.
Some days, my mouth goes faster than my brain
Hey NLNVF, great to hear from you.
So not only did the Vikings trade the #10 overall draft pick for a 5th rounder but they had traded up to #10 to get him in 2024. So he cost us a 1st rounder, #11, but also the #129, 4th round, and #159, a 5th round pick to get JJ (QB).
I get trading him if you are sure he won’t work out, I do. But given our current QB situation now and in 2027 they had to be damn sure.
Seems like more than a KAM screwup, it seems an entire organization worth of screw ups.
This will take awhile to get my head around. “Hope for the best but expect the worst’ indeed.
I never saw NFL caliber play from JJM. Ever. He made some plays once in a while. But he’s a slow processor and he can’t make all the pro throws. KOC told him last year what he needed to improve on in the offseason. He came back this year still unable to make the required NFL level throws. You can’t make him better than what he is. Harbaugh wants a run heavy offense. If the QB can run, he’s good with it. We’ll see if JJM ever starts again though.
What if the Raiders lose their next 2 and the Vikes new GM makes a call and convinces the Raiders to give up ole Kirky and roll with Mendoza? Kirk comes in and starts after the bye after Murray loses to the Dolphins and Saints.
Yuck
It just seems very Vikings. Brought back Moss, Brad Johnson, Akers, hell even Tark. Probably plenty more but that’s just a couple off the top of my head.
Yes! Schism!
What if I eat a banana split for dinner? That question makes about as much sense as what you just blurted out here.
Why? Raiders have a brutal scedule coming up and they will lose some games even if Cousins is playing at MVP level. they will sooner or later play Mendoza and Cousins goes to bench. Now us, look at our QB play.
We are wasting a damn good defense.
I don’t follow the Raiders but the Chiefs and the Broncos are going to be fighting it out for the Division. I imagine Kubiak wants to win as many games as possible in his first year, even if that’s only 5 or 6. Mendoza can’t run an NFL offense the way Cousins can. He doesn’t know NFL defenses the way Cousins does either. In short, Kubiak knows who the best QB on the team is and it isn’t Mendoza by a wide margin. Do you seriously believe Kubiak is going to trade away the team leader, and the one guy who knows what he’s doing in his offense, if they lose their next two games? That “what if” supposition is Mularkey. Just Bow being ridiculous in the extreme. Then of course saying he was joking after I pointed out how absurd his comment was.
Not wasting it yet. We’re 3-0.
Stay on the porch old man until you can understand a joke.
I wonder if the Vikings looked at signing him this offseason
I think that ship has sailed. Hopefully, working together, Kevin and Nolan can find a young QB for us. I’m sick of the musical chair approach.
It has, I just wonder if they considered it an option last offseason after Atlanta released him
I have to say, it seems like Kirk wasn’t the answer here, primarily due to contract/price constraints. That being said, I much more enjoyed watching him play than what we’ve seen over the past couple years. And I felt like the offense had the potential to at least keep up with the higher scoring teams, whereas I’m not so sure this offense really could.
You’re right about some stuff, but Cousins is not worth the money
I love the fact that folks think one of the most prolific QB’s in Vikings history and even in NFL history, isn’t worth the money.
The price this year seemed very reasonable, especially given out situation.
Also believe it would have been much better for JJ’s development.
The only reason it was reasonable for Raiders was because Atlanta was still paying off the vast majority of his god awful contract. The one we were smart not to pay.
But that was the point, he was cheap this year because Atlanta was footing the bill. The original post was referencing money
Can’t wait for the KOC press conference where he explains how he failed JJ.
Might go like this – ‘JJ is a great kid and has a lot of raw talent. And the Giants run an offense for Dart that has a lot of running type plays which is a much better fit for JJ’s talents than ours. Really a good opportunity for him.’
More like; I never really wanted JJ. He was forced on me by KAM. He is a good kid that has a lot to learn about football. I wish him well, but I am glad he is gone.
Likely…..
Right up there with, “Read my lips. No new taxes…”
I think it’s important to point out that the new GM has complete control of the roster. He had no ties to McCarthy, I’m only surprised he waited this long to trade him, I do wonder what gots long term plan is though.
Im sure the offers were there earlier, they were just low balls. He was waiting until a losing team also loses their QB and would be willing to give a higher pick then say, a 7th.
Trade all 2027 draft picks for Arch !!!!
Did you know his grandpa played for the Vikings?
That’s nothing.
Did you know his uncles are superbowl winning QB’s ????
Eli & Peyton????
Am I messing up the blood line?
I’m just being sarcastic. 🙂
No, you’re right on.
Oh heaven’s no….
Arch might be available at our spot the way things are going with him. I doubt it, but he’s not necessarily the reason why Texas is winning. The blood lines will probably get him drafted top 10 anyway.
so we get a 5th round pick and saves about 7 million in future cap hit. That is very close to “giving him away”
Per an article I read on CBS, they gave the Vikings a B+ for the trade. Their take is that we got something for him was a plus as they figured he had no trade value. Plus it cleans out the tension in the qb room.
Someone recently said to me, “weird how everyone on that 2023 Michigan national championship team is terrible in the nfl (jj, harbaugh, etc), with the exception of blake corum”. To be fair, there is a small sample size with the michigan players in the nfl, but something tells me that the cheating that Michigan did that year did gain quite the advantage.
I think the jj trade works out for both camps in the long run. JJ gets a fresh start, and the Vikings don’t have to waste time pretending he’s the qbotf.
With that said, Murray has 2 weeks to show he can run the offense efficiently and at the very least get in the red zone. If he can’t do it against the Dolphins or Saints, KOC should switch to Wentz.
I know there is discussion below, but that Jefferson ankle looked like a nasty deltoid ligament injury…aka the “high ankle sprain” that they love to report…I’d assume if a Chaput fracture we’d have heard by now.
As I mentioned below, they are going to continue to say it is something minor until they put him on IR.
I heard they have an amputation scheduled for tomorrow.
report was low ankle sprain. He’ll be fine…..but who is going to throw to him
MT wants to trade all the picks from the 2027 and 2028 drafts to NE for mayonnaise
You also said Murray would be out more then a week after his concussion. Gonna let the Dr’s actually physically looking at it make that call
No shit! Man, you’re a genius!
Next you’ll be telling me we should let the coaches evaluate who the starters should be!
PS maybe that’s why Baby Yoda looked dreadful yesterday…his brains are still scrambled.
I am still perplexed how an NFL player can return from a concussion after a week but a race car driver will be out 2 months.
Seems like another lawsuit coming if a simpleton like me can see a problem with the way they are still handling concussions.
Given our QB situation, our record and the amount of talent on this team, this only makes sense if there is another card (deal) to fall.
Anthony Richardson maybe?
I just do not see Murray or Brosmer as an option moving forward.
Losing to Miami may be enough to bench the midget. We will probably find out.
Well I’m not to swift at this, but given our situation and totally putting aside if JJ is talented or not, a 5th hardly seems worth doing it.
Yeah, 5th means that they want him off the team at this point.
Not sure why, unless KOC/OC/QB coach determined that he was not fixable.
Anthony Richardson is worse than JJ. NO.
Trade for the Passtranaut !!
No way. They held onto him only because they knew they could get something for him. This was the plan.
It will fail, but this was the plan.
So when will the media ask KOC how the organization failed JJ, since he said organizations fail young QBs before young QBs fail organizations
Did you know he was on the McVay coaching tree, and McVay really likes him? That’s all Minnesota sports writers need to know.
Are we really going to roll with Brosmer or bring in someone like Jimmy G.?
Most teams only carry two QBs and a PS guy, that’s where the Vikings are at
…for now.
That’ll last this week.
Yup.
Hey, everybody, we traded McCarthy! And landed on the moon!
hey NINE
Watch him and the Giants beat us in the first round of the playoffs, this year…because Vikings…
Yeah, like we are making the playoffs.
Do we go looking for another backup qb?
Why?
Murray and Wentz will both get hurt and then all we have is what’s his name.
this is true but MT wants us to tank and lose out
I guess I am on that train of thought as well. We might as well get a high draft pick and mess that up by drafting another Ponder.
Im on the hard pass train. When you have a defense and special teams this good, and all the pieces on offense besides QB, you keep winning games. Period. If the whole team was ass and we were losing, I would be on board.
Same. Rooting for my team to lose is something I’ll never be able to do.
Rooting for them to lose 3 games into the season when they’re 3-0 is ridiculous.
maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they don’t. Maybe it’s another 1 and done and we’re all disappointed. Don’t care, not rooting for my team to lose.
because I’m not a loser.
Damn right. This team has a top notch defense, a kicker, lots of offensive pieces, Just get reasonable QB play and we’ll be a handful for any team.
Yeah I don’t ever root for the team to lose
Reminds me of that fine 2016 season when we started 5-0 and Wentz dissected us game 6.
But wouldn’t we be winning by losing?
Only thing we’d win in my opinion is the opportunity to draft a shiny new toy that may or may not be the same as the last shiny new toy – which turned out to be busted.
I’ll be 48 in a few weeks. 40 years I’ve been a fan of this team and despite the yearly heartbreak, I regret zero seconds I spent watching my team, win or lose.
Vikes only get 17 guaranteed games a year. Only 17 times a year I’m guaranteed to watch my favorite team play my favorite sport. Football, in all forms (no, not soccer) is life in my house. No kids, no outside commitments. Nothing but football. It’s my favorite thing.
I will never root for my favorite team to lose while playing my favorite sport. Ever.
They just drafted another ponder a couple years ago
At least Ponder got a real chance to play.
To be fair, Ponder wasn’t hurt nearly as much as McFragile.
Very true, but it’s hard to play when you can’t stay healthy
Fuck yeah. We’ll get smoked in the playoffs. If you think you’re going to make me feel like I’m not a “real” fan haha good try.
Right now we are holding a pair of deuces and going all in at the river.
Better to lose out and come back next season with a Dante than provide a classic case study of beating weak teams in the regular season and getting our neck stepped on in the wild card by a legit team like SF, and enjoy pick #25. I’m sure we can spend that pick on a RB and pick up some aging vet QB.
You’re assuming a lot, Im just stating exactly what you said. And never have I ever accused anyone of not being a “real” fan, expect Mr. Pentagon. We will see how these team stacks up after their bye when they have a solid 5 weeks of hard competition. Agreed the schedule has been easy to this point but that are winning and thats all the matters 3 weeks in.
Or maybe it would make more sense to go get another running back. We are thin there also.
I guess.
Post a help wanted sign at 7-11.
Why? We still have 2 as it is…….
a 5th rounder???? just keep him if that’s the case
That was kind of my thought.
i guess this is proof Koc never wanted him and it was all on Kam
He’s a huge distraction. You think they were going to let him play at some point? No.
but he’s such a good teammate, high fives players when they make good plays!
Hey, did you see him cheer Turner after a big play?
No other NFL player has this kind of leadership!
Agreed, I was thinking a 3rd or 4th.
Especially after the way Kyler played yesterday. Wow, that’s dumb.
We are legit a few plays (two injuries) away from Brosmer.
No kidding… for a QB needy team, you have to get a 2nd or 3rd at least. We got fleeced for Sam Bradford, was it, when teddy got hurt? We needed to play hardball there and get better return. Not confident in our new GM now….
McCarthy traded to Giants
5th rounder.
So that “vikings holding out for a 1st” story over the weekend was BS????
That HAD to have been bullshit. Nobody was giving us a 1st for McCannotstayhealthy….
terrible deal
Must have been the Vikings feeding hope to a stupid reporter.
I chuckled when I read it.
1st rounder? Hahaha. I’d have taken a piece of used chewing gum.
A fifth rounder is close to a piece of used chewing gum.
Or….
Richard Sherman, George Kittle, Tyreek Hill, Puka Nacua, Mike Webster, Kevin Greene, Stefon Diggs…
all 5th rounders
That would be awesome, but the odds are against us.
They absolutely are.
I’d rather not have Tyreek Hill on my team. Woman beating, child beating loser.
They obviously deserved it.
Would agree.
Wasn’t an endorsement for Hill. Just an example of the talent potentially available in the 5th round.
gotcha
They basically gave him away. I’m going to try to think that they were just trying to do him a solid by giving him a fresh start.
He was such a terrible pick. Alas I’ll take everything bowbunch says from now on with a grain of salt. The Vikings will never live down THE trade but this was just horrible.
I’d sack KOC in a heartbeat.
with you on that.
I will never hear the end of “Should have taken Bo Nix” from my wife.
She’s right, you know.
I know, that is why it hurts.
I was convinced that the Vikings brain trust knew what they were doing.
Why should that ever, ever happen for this team?
Bo is young and is still learning, but he showed up in the second half last night.
*With some classic help from the refs
KOC being a bad HC does not make JJ a bad QB.
No, but being fragile and unavailable makes him a liability.
Thank goodness. My prayers answered.
except the team will still win enough games that the draft next year will suck.
They will also probably pay to keep the midget who sucks.
Another 8-12 win wasted season, and again, and again, and again
You and me, Surly, bruddas from anudda mudda.
At least they did not give JJ 90 million fully guaranteed like they did for Kirko.
Still a completely wasted draft pick. Again.
I hope this new GM is ready to fire KOC and make Flores the HC next season.
Also, trade JJ. No need to keep a great WR around if you cannot even get him the ball.
Flores is damn damn good. If we can’t go 4-13 I at least pray we elevate him to HC rather than watch him go coach a divisional rival to great heights.
Idk, I think Flores is a great coordinator, maybe not so much head coach material. Not every great coordinator that gets promoted to HC makes it in this league. If they do, it’s usually because of a great OC, then they get poached for a HC position.
A lot of people want to keep moving up the corporate ladder, but a wise person realizes the point at which they have reached the top of their own ladder.
Well said. The lawsuits don’t help, even if they are legit. I’m not sure he’s going to get another head coaching chance because of it, unless it’s with the vikes. I would prefer that he stays our DC for as long as he wants to.
GM does not have control of coaching personnel, KOC reports to ownership not the GM
Comical.
This team is shit.
3-0 but still shit.
No QB at all, and they will be drafting middle of the first round yet again, and do no better.
I now have another jersey to throw away. At least I stopped buying QB shirts.
Thrown away = Teddy, Kirko, McFragile.
Still own, Justin Jefferson (soon to be traded probably)
I still wear my Sloter jersey every game day.
I wear my Studwell jersey, he’ll never not be a Viking, plus that’s the greatest football name ever
Agreed.
I wear my Johnny Randle on purple Fridays
I remember an announcer calling him “Stood Still” after a particularly bad play. I think it was Barry Sanders making him look silly, but I laughed at the comment.
He was a great linebacker though.
i really enjoyed the sequence of plays yesterday where we either basically got held and couldn’t sack baker, or sacked baker.
that front line is fun to watch
We play the Dolphins next.
Victory Monday!
SKOL!
FTP!
Fire the coach, fire the QB, have I missed anything else?
Spot on, guv’nor.
What do we need to see from Murray next week to say he is our started from here on out? I don’t think next week is a good litmus test, Miami is a steaming pile of dog excrement. So, if Murray is unable to get the offense working, with or without JJettas, should he be benched?
Have no idea as Miami does. no exactly have the Vikings defense.
But I really wonder about this QB situation.
Thinking back, both Cousins/Darnold could run this offense, And this gives me pause – so could Nick Mullins. He may have has a weaker arm which caused some INT’s, but he could run KOC’s offense. And, he could get the ball to Jefferson.
What is wrong with these guys. If Mullins could do it, why can ‘t they?
One of the biggest knocks on Murray has been his inability to learn even an average offense, mostly because of his work ethic. He’s the only player that I know of in the history of the NFL to have his team write a minimum hours per week of studying the playbook into his contract.
Ok. But after watching JJ and Carson they weren’t as good as Mullins either.
JJ hasn’t even played a full season and there seems to be higher expectations for him than guys with 10 years experience. Look how bad Drake Maye looks this year. JJ is only 23. He needs a chance. He could very well fail, and I fully expect him not to get that chance here, but there is potential there at least. It’s going to suck even more when they just move on from JJ, over pay a mediocre Murray and then we get to watch JJ succeed somewhere else while Murray continues to be the player he’s always been.
I agree with what you say BowB. But, as much as I have always disliked Murray as a QB, we do have to give him more than one game, But what we saw in that one game was bad. My question is: If the Murray we saw Sunday is the Murray we get, when do we pull the trigger on the change?
Doesn’t matter anymore. The Vikings will be just good enough to get into the playoffs and lose and then they will give Murray $50 mill plus and mire in mediocrity for another 5+ years minimum.
Had read a couple of weeks back he was big time in KOC’s doghouse. And that’s a bad place to be for a young QB
I once heard somebody say that organizations fail young QBs before young QBs fail organizations. That guy was probably full of shit though.
BUT KIRK TOOK TUESDAYS OFF!!!
Good question. I am going to stay away from numbers and focus more on his approach. He has to show some confidence. He looked afraid all of Sunday. He was jittery in the pocket and indecisive. The great scrambling was almost non-existent. So I would like to see:
I can be a patient man (ask my wife, well ok, dont ask HER), but one more outing like yesterday and I will be calling KOC and telling him to play JJM
There’s no way KOC will bench him. He’s way too patient. We’re in this mess until he gets injured.
We’re in this mess until he gets “injured”. FIFY
3 TD’s and 250 yards plus.
Running or passing.
He has to show the ability to run the passing schemes. Throw on time with accuracy, etc. He looked lost in the pocket, yesterady.
I wouldn’t consider him starter from whatever here on out is until he’s demonstrated he can run the offense, right now he still seems hesitant and unsure. Might be a bit premature for benching unless he actually looks worse.
I think Murray will be a bit better in a dome. It was a hot, funky, bright sun in the face kind of day in Tampa.
yeah. It can be tough playing football outside in perfect conditions
Wasn’t it for everyone involved, or just the QB for the Vikings?
We are still King of the North!
Hopefully we don’t get ‘Red Wedding-ed’.
*Kings of the NFC*
https://www.nfl.com/standings/conference/2026/REG
(Talking about KC and the Raiders) “I stated they would have 2 wins at most by time their game with the Jets rolls around in November” – a guy who doesn’t know ball
Shots fired! haha
Well, he doubled down on it last week after calling me out on Flores. I admit, the defense is looking good, but I still don’t think we’ve played a great offensive team and been challenged all that much (Chicago in the rain doesn’t count IMO). Let’s see how we fare against the Bills and Lions, and even the Saints.
I’m still alive in survival after picking the 49ers, but it was closer than I would have liked.
Already have a strike against me for picking the Ravens in week 2. (eyeroll)
I got my first strike thinking, there is no way Seattle’s defense would get beat by Mariota.
I picked Seattle in the pick em group. Maybe everyone did. Some very surprising results so far this year.
I’m done. I took one for the team and picked the Packers this week. You are welcome.
I sweated with the Bills yesterday, there are a lot of people out already which surprises me
Tied for first in the Pickem thingy if you only look at correct picks.
I am 7th, and closing in on last place because I am terrible at the confidence points.
Depending on who hammer and Jackson picked tonight and for how many points, I have a chance to move into first
yeah, I used to like these things at work. I would win 1 – 4 weeks per season, but overall standings I never won the season.
I got the rug pulled out from underneath me multiple times yesterday in Pick ‘Em. I saw the scores of about five games and thought I had them in the bag.
Then when I checked later, I saw I lost all five of those games.
HarrisonSmithsMetimucil (Freezy) will be last.
No worries there.
I’ve got a ways to go, but I will slowly move up over the weeks ahead.
I jumped up to 4th place (pending tonight’s game). It’s a tight race, though.
It’s not over until the Fat Lady sings.
Speaking of that, I don’t know where that cliche’ came from.
My WAG is it is some European Opera thing where a Fat Lady sang to end the show.
A win is a win and leading the division is darn good.
No doubt defense is carrying team which is a little strange for an offensive minded HC.
Now I’m no expert, and everyone can see the offense is struggling, but at the most basic level it just looks out of sync or the timing is off.
Realize Murray is short, but the way our oline is getting knocked back into the pocket, Wilt Chamberlain would be getting passes knocked down. Maybe roll him ot some, but that’s why KOC gets paid the big bcks to figure out.
Still, 3-0 and playing rather poorly on one side of ball is quite good.
Most plays that I saw, Murray had all day in the backfield. He would just stand there and look around. I get the receivers were probably covered, but he has legs and should be using them in that situation. But, he just stood there until it was too late, and either took a sack or threw it away.
We are supposed to have elite receivers with an excellent offensive scheme for passing and the Bucs secondary is not all that good – so, were the receivers open and Murray didn’t see them. or were they well covered?
Second question – timing? Most all passing plays are designed. with 3, 5. 7 step drops and are designed with according routes. At least to me, the timing looks way off most of the time. What do you think?
I think I was correct on Murray not being able to run this offense. Wentz was getting the ball out to the receivers, his problem was his accuracy, and if the receivers were covered he doesn’t move like he used to.
I believe we should put JJ out there, let him work through his struggles and see what we got. His floor may be lower, but his ceiling, I feel, is higher than what we have seen yet this year.
Dude, I think we have to move on from JJ. He is not good, and I don’t think he will be. It was atrocious watching him play last year.
Neither is KM or Wentz, so put the young man in with potential upside and see what happens.
I wonder how all these fans know the future, know what players will become.
My crystal ball is still on back order with Amazon.
Amazon sucks. You should have bought it from somewhere else.
I got mine at K-Mart
They were out, even Walmart didn’t have them.
I blame the Tariffs.
Ok rain man
I’m a really good driver.
Haha you got me there, I love that quote. Dustin Hoffman played that role well.
I haven’t watched it in years, I may have to look it up and watch it again.
Mayhaps Murray didn’t do his homework/is still figuring out KOCs offense/passing scheme. It is notoriously difficult and Murray is a notoriously bad student.
That could explain him sitting in the pocket, watching the receivers and defense and trying to figure it all out on the fly.
Justin Jefferson’s absence probably threw a lot off. Suddenly Addison is playing Jefferson’s role, and Jennings is doing Addison’s thing, and Price is the WR3.
Still though. Murray needs to be able to punish other teams with the receivers and tight ends we have.
According to Ben Leber, that wasn’t how they played it. He says they left Addison playing his own position, and Felton took over Jefferson’s routes.
With a full week of practice they will move Addison to JJ’s role.
I’m hoping Jefferson is back real soon, however, what will probably happen is that they will continue to say that it is something minor until they put him on IR.
A, Murray is too short to see over the line.
B. The timing of a 3 step drop for a midget is different than the timing of a normal height person. Just like how my 5 foot tall wife has to take more steps when we go hiking than I do at 6’5″.
There’s also the fact that Arizona, a crappy team, decided that Murray was not good enough and they would rather take a massive cap hit than have him on their team. That should have been hint #1.
Perhaps you should pass along your thoughts to KOC. He must be seeing things differently.
I spoke to him this morning……
I was saying this ALL FRICKIN’ SUMMER!!!!
Isn’t being a crappy team partly the result of making crappy decisions? LOL.
I get that this was his first FULL game in the system, a game where he suddenly lost his primary WR, but that excuse only goes so far.
There have been comments that Murray is living on the sidelines because he can’t see targets between the hash marks unless they’re 15+ yards down the field. That makes him more predictable and our WRs easier to cover.
i disagree…..
wilt wouldn’t get his passes knocked down
GM!
FTP!
SKOL!
Great to be 3-0, but this offense is ugly.
I would rather see Wentz or JJ than Murray again.
Should be 4-0 after Miami, and that is exactly the kind of game the Vikings normally disappoint. Still, I am expecting 4-1 at the bye, and that works.
Hope we get good news on the supremely expensive receiver today.
Wentz is probably our best QB. I think we would have done a little better with him yesterday. You loose mobility, but I think he would have been a little more accurate and not had so many batted balls.
Jefferson better not be hurt too bad. He needs to earn that contract!
I was at the game…Murray looked really bad. Wentz not great but better than Murray….
My cousin was at the game.
You probably saw him. He was wearing a purple shirt that said “SOMEDAY” in gold across the chest.
He also had a tan baseball cap.
You couldn’t miss him.
Oh yeah, he was standing next to the other guy with a purple jersey.
If that shirt is the old military style font they used to use in the endzones, I have the exact same shirt
Yep, that is the one.
NICE
If Murray keeps playing like that and doesn’t get pulled, it will really make me wonder why they hate JJM the way they do (or how bad JJM really is). And there’s no point in having Murray in there if he’s not getting opportunities to run and bootleg.
The offense looks awful. I keep saying it, but I feel like other Vikes fans call me crazy for it: KOC is the most overrated offensive mind in the game. He could be a good HC, but he needs to get over himself and get a good OC to run the offense.
I won’t call you crazy. I think KOC should have been fired after his playoff performances. Can’t get manhandled with 13 and 14 win teams. It’s wrong.
And everyone else gives him so many excuses. Yesterday’s excuses I’ve heard already:
–Jets was injured. (You still have Addison and Jennings and Hock. You gotta figure it out.)
–Murray is still getting the rust off. (He had all of camp to get up to speed. And if there was rust, then play him in the pre-season….that’s literally what it’s for.)
–Murray was still foggy in his mind recovering from the concussion. (Then he shouldn’t be playing QB in the NFL yet.)
–Murray was just indecisive. (Same issue with Sam Darnold, JJM, Wentz, Brosmer….seems like an offensive system problem. Maybe make it less fluid and reactive and more decisive.)
–We won. Be happy about it. (We barely escaped……again. The offense looked terrible…..again. It needs to be fixed.)
I think KOC needs to let somebody else run the offense. I think he is a good motivator and can be a good HC, but trying to run the team and the offense might just be too much. And for all the clamoring for Flores to take over, I have a wonder in my gut if he might be the opposite.
The last time the offense looked competent was when Mr Moneybags was the QB
yuck
I usually watch the game on Monday when I work on Sunday, caught part of it yesterday on my phone at work
hard pass on watching that nonsense
I’d say since Darnold.
Murray looked chickens**t scared out there.
If he is not going to use his legs, put in Wentz.
Somehow I forgot about Darnold 🤦♂️
Darnold looked very good at times, but the O line was so terrible that he sucked vs good d lines.
If JJ McFragile had an outing like Murray yesterday, people would rightfully be clamoring for Wentz.
This team is not playoff ready.
So true, but a good thing we have 3+ months before the playoffs. We are 3-0, tough to complain.
Yes it was an ugly win, but a win on the road is sweet. A lot to fix on offense, lets hope we can. I wonder how long the leash is on KM, ‘cuz that was hideous!
That seems ok since the playoffs are still about 4 months away.
their defense is.
Maybe we’ll go 17-0 and get shutout in the divisional round.
Skol, and FTP.
this QB play is not going to support a lot of wins. Good teams will carve us up. Sure, give KM one more start, but then we gotta find a panic button and push it!
I do hope Mayfied is ok, he was a baller on Sunday
Both Caleb Williams and Baker Mayfield out for the final drive against the Vikings.
“We be tough”
He is a baller, and I’ve always liked Baker, but he was off on plenty of his throws yesterday. He needs to be better for being a 50 million a year QB now.
Our defense really messed with his head is my opinion.
Fair point. Our defense will do that to opposing QBs.
The concern I had with Murray being the starter was ‘can he run KOC’s offense’. So far the answer is no. I get it has only been one game essentially, but he is a veteran QB and should be able to adapt to a new offense. Wentz came in with 3-4 weeks of being on the team and was at the very least capable.
Murray sucks.
The only saving grace here is that the team will not throw a bunch of money at him next year.
Good morning, it is finally Monday,
Another win, with a lot of questions after the game. We are not going to be able to beat good teams the way our offense is being run. Is it the QB, is it the HC, does KOC need to hand the keys over to Wes Philips? I don’t have the answers, I just have the questions.
Whatever the answer is, this could be the week to answer it. We face the Phins this Sunday. If there is a team to try something new against it is the Miami Dpolphins.
Skol
FTP
I thought the playcalling was OK, but the execution was shaky. I saw some poor vision/decision by runners, some inaccurate passes thrown, and some best options unread.
FTP Auto Rec.
I know I’m in the minority, but KOC sucks. That game was won by a combo of two coaches who had their respective parts of the team ready to go, and I think we all know who those coaches were. Meanwhile, the “QB whisperer” has whispered a ton of sweet nothings into their ears. Murray looked like the proverbial college QB throwing up a wing and a prayer, almost universally far off target.
The last two games go down as one of the worst 1-2 punches I have ever seen the Vikings put on the field. More penalties than rushing yards. Puke.
I have often said, KOC may be a good Head coach or a good OC, but he is not both.