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Another day further removed from the previous loss puts us another day closer to the next game.
Minnesota Vikings Discussion Topic of the Day
Next up, the Vikings travel to Chicago to take on the Bears. This has always been a tough venue for the Vikings, so what do you put their chances at getting a W in the Windy City this coming weekend? 50/50? Higher? Lower?
Minnesota Vikings News:
SI.com comments on the improved play from the Minnesota Vikings’ O-line.
The Vikings are being cautious with JJ as he deals with a hamstring injury, per USA Today. I sure as hades hope they are.
NFL.com says that Justin Jefferson will seek ‘multiple options’ on how to deal with his hamstring. Just don’t use the option that Sharrif Floyd used, mmmmkay?
Travis Swifty is being called out for a punch and dirty block on Sunday, according to Sports Illustrated.
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I see everyone got along real well today.
Seems like they were discussing arguing ….
rather than actually arguing.
I might have missed some actual arguments.
Were they discussing arguing or arguing arguing? It’s all so complicated.
The political discussions were pretty rational since there was no mental and emotional unstable people present.
Kirk discussion was a bit more tense but not personal as BSF and NLNVF were not here to insult.
Twinks smoked Out hit 14-3 with a error and 14 K’s . Minny sports at best.
Colts signed Mond to their practice squad today.
Either desperate
or stealth brilliant move.
I go with option #!.
Their rookie starting QB is injured, Minshew is temporarily QB1. Probably just needed another arm.
So option #2 for you?
Minshew is good enough, guess they really just needed another arm.
They say some good comes from all things _ I hope so.
Things have not exactly gone the Vikings way this season, and now the JJ news.
But, in the off season we picked up a big TE and we carry a fullback. And perhaps more importantly, our line is blocking near the top of the league.
So, seems like a little Zimmerball might be a good receipt right now. We seem to have the horses and can’t think of a better time.
like it
Most has not gone our way, but there is good promise for the future.
That didn’t last long.
Twinks, 1 hit 7 K’s thru 4, why do i even bother?
if they ever make it to another World Series, I would watch that.
Otherwise….
Minny pro sports, worst in country.
College to…..
Just reporting the news…over 1000 dead in the terrorist attack in Israel, including several Americans. Hope Israel hits back and hits back hard, this is not the time for peace and reconciliation. This is the time for a pound of flesh.
I say nuke Palestine. If you behead babies, you should be vaporized.
Lots of evil. Many out there should be dead.
Amen. But let’s hope behind the scenes the administration is not talking to both sides about some type of peace talks.
It’s coming. Soon Israel will be condemned by the world.
It certainly is. Listen to some of the “influencers” and their words already.
Great start Twins.
Kiriloff blocks ball a out at 1st. Stupid.
LOL, well, i’m done.
Eff Kiriloff, he sucks.
He is worse than Cousins…maybe approaching Ponder territory.
Jefferson traded to the Falcons. Didn’t see that one coming.
For 4 1st round picks??
For a #8?
Swap of 2025 sixth and seventh round picks.
Think JJ leaves.
KC is a HOF QB and deserves a raise! Hello…?
‘He who stirs the shit pot has to lick the spoon.’
LOL, bored. Twins soon.
Ew. That’s just……….. worse than gross
Updated Time to Throw vs. Intended Air Yards. Kirk is right at average for intended distance and still in the neighborhood of scrambling or just bad QBs for time to throw. Burrow, Dak and Lawrence occupy the yucky corner still. As a season average Burrow is not surprising with the injury.
Thankfully, we are not Packers Fans.
Favre, Rodgers now Love. Payback time, for years i hope.
Yes.
Let’s hope it’s just like it was back in the 1970’s & 80’s.
Decades of sucktitude.
100%
Give him 2…3…5…8 years, he’ll be fine
Gray today, Ryan tomorrow. Lewis back at 3rd. Did i offend anyone?
If the Twins lose today it’s Kirk’s fault.
Duh.
If I posted that, I would be asked to leave….
You must be the favorite around here….
Probably.
People can ‘choose’ to be offended about anything.
Victimhood is the new standard.
It would be nice if the Twins can win the next two and Texans and Orioles go five games. We could reset our rotation and start Lopez, Gray and Ryan/Ober to start ALCS.
I like it.
Especially if Texas wins and we get home field.
Hopefully Texas wins, we have had trouble with the Orioles for the last few years. Even when they were terrible.
At least we haven’t given them billions of dollars to fund these attacks. Some of the videos and photos I’ve seen are absolutely horrifying. The scum behind what is going on should be wiped from the face of the earth.
i will just say this….numbered are the days who attempt to destroy God’s chosen people….
Flagged for being correct
Yep.
Why are they “God’s chosen people”? Ever looked into that? From what I understand from talking with religion professors in college is the history of Yaweh from Polytheism to Henotheism. The Polytheistic ways went to Henotheistic ways of believing in many gods but only worshipping one. That’s where it says Abraham was the first to worship in 1 god. They believed in many but worshipped one. So the Jews chose Yahweh and Yahweh chose the Jews as their chosen people. After many generations that turned into the the one and only true god.
I still like the Buddhist take on life, the universe, and everything.
However they need to become more badass like in the old Kung Fu tv show. This passive acceptance gets them murdered.
That’s awesome
Why can’t I collapse this thread?
Harry Potter witchcraft.
Actually I have no idea. I never collapse anything.
We shouldn’t have let so many single, military age men from our enemies flood into our country with no vetting whatsoever.
CBP only encountered a little over 60,000 people from the Middle east from 2021-2023, not at ports of entry. I’m sure they’re all just looking for jobs and the American dream.
Throw in China, Russia, and who knows. No shared values with America is a disaster. Folks celebrating Hamas murder of women and children.
In even better news, the fall walleye rush will begin soon.
Where is your go to fall spot?
We fish the river a lot, south of Bismarck toward Oahe. Sometimes go up to the big water, east end toward the spillway.
I got a Surface Pro 3. Man, I love this thing. Have it on our data plan, so I can use it pretty much anywhere. Sitting having brunch right now, typing with an actual keyboard. This is the shit.
Nice!
You now have no excuse for not doing a daily thread.
I’m sure this won’t matter since they are one of the NFL darlings.
LOL, I always liked Kittle, now I like him even more. Good dude.
Me too. I love the way he plays the game.
Is there supposed to be a fine for that?
I guess I could see it because of the profanity.
I think the rule only applies to outside apparel.
If it was a Vikings player he would be suspended for 3 weeks.
Of course. Goodell hates the Vikings. So do the Football Gods.
accurate
we are living in orwell’s 1984 right now….
It’s disgusting how they now try to relativize their actions. Same happening over here.
yep, it’s not even shocking or a surprise.
The ‘New Normal’.
Since Biden can’t remember yesterday, I can see why his puppet masters are doing this.
They think dementia is contagious.
The Media Arm of the Democratic Party has caught it and turned around an infected the people who watch and believe their ‘news’ coverage.
And they got the “deprogramming” message and threat out there too.
You knew it was going to be insane when they were talking ‘Impeachment’ the night Trump was elected.
TDS has gotten worse for those that have it.
Kind of want him to win and Pardon himself just to watch their heads explode.
They are all a bunch of lying swindlers but one of the things Trump taught us is you can just flat out lie. I mean they have always lied but Trump on a Monday would be like, “Fuck squirrels, those furry little bastards should all be put in a cage and executed IMMEDIATLY!!!” Next day when questioned on the subject because he got blowback, he’d go, “No one loves squirrels more than me, I love squirrels.” They would ask about what he said the day before quoting him and he’d go, “I never said that, you are fake news!”
What we learned is two fold and is a big issue in America and it is only going to get worse
So you are saying Trump invented/perfected lying???
That is a lie.
I am saying he learned to play the game at a higher level than anyone before him. He learned to beat the media at their own twisted game. Great for him and I applaud him for that… terrible for the country mainly because the first point I pointed out. Republicans turn a blind eye to Trumps lies and swindles just like Dems do to Biden… also Biden turns a blind eye to it… he might be blind… we don’t know just like he doesn’t know haha.
trumps owns a lot of real estate in your head, apparently….
if this was the trump administration trying to absolutely lie about stuff, i would have posted the same thing.
it’s ok to just see what is happening and say yikes thats bad.
I just saw this coming, I saw the Dems getting worse about denying reality because while Dems and Repubs have always done this Trump really learned to just keep doing it because he has mastered how the media does things and people will forget about your last big blatant lie if you just keep doing having and doing things that pop up in the media because people will just keep forgetting about the last thing you did because the media will drop the last thing you did for the next thing. It is bad, it’s very bad. I wasn’t trying to single you out. But when I see people or in a place that is usually very one sided I always have to bring up the other side because so many think only the other side is guilty when really it’s two wings of the the same nut and divided we’re all screwed haha.
Screw politicians in general. I think the biggest problem facing this country is society. Not sure but i think you can’t pass a bill to fix.
Need to set up some committees first.
And fill them with Politicians of course.
Decades ago when the conservatives turned the education system over to the liberals, society started the gradual decline.
My nephews used to bring that ‘stuff’ home and try to argue it with The Teacher and I.
Once we smacked them down with logic/facts they would just sit their with the mouths hanging open.
It was kind of fun, like shoot fish in a barrel.
lol, that’s funny. Not a oversimplification and wrong ta boot. The biggest Fuck up in the last 20 years in education was No Child Left Behind. Who enacted that? That’d be the Bush administration. Now as far as the softening of child rearing in the 90s where everybody was special and got a trophy shit… that had nothing to do with the education system or liberals. That was a movement by soft ass child psychologists.
well, was thinking a little before that. Maybe when we dropped civic classes, or the hardships of establishing this country. Or maybe when we stopped talking about the greatest generation and what they did for the country. Could go on, but hope you get the idea.
When they change the stories to fit their narrative is where it starts. For example: In the Three Little Pigs, originally version, the first two pigs were eaten by the big bad wolf, which taught children to give there all in whatever task is placed before them, or suffer the consequences.
In the current version the first pig runs to the second pig’s house, when his gets blown down, by the wolf. Then both the first pig and second pig run to the third pigs house when the wolf blows the second pig’s house down. This teaches children that you don’t have to try your hardest, there will be somebody, who has tried hard, there to take care of you.
No way the first 2 pigs are outrunning the wolf. Somebody should write a version where one of the first pigs pulls out an AR and then they all go to the third pigs house for a BBQ because he has the nicest smoker and patio. Teach kids to stand up for themselves when attacked by a wolf.
I concur.
Nice. I’d just add that hard work is a road to get ahead is now sort of frowned upon.
Yes, because getting ahead means someone is left behind.
I don’t disagree with the the idea you are putting forward but which group was it the left or right that initially wanted violence and the like banned? It was the moral majority right. Don’t get me wrong the Left Woke culture picked that torch up and turned it into a flame thrower but if we are going to say well the issue stems from way back when… it was the Moral Majority right that wanted everything in literature and the alike softened of outright banned because kids couldn’t handle it.
The communists, they want to endoctrinate children to believe that everyone should be equal no matter the amount of effort put forth.
You can politicize if you want but you’d be wrong. It stemmed from a good place of trying to make kids feel good about themselves that it would develop their self worth and confidence etc… They were absolutely wrong, but I truly think there is no exact right way, it depends on the kid. There are some subjective things you can be outright too harsh or too soft but a lot of it depends on the kid.
‘two wings of the the same nut and divided we’re all screwed’.
Nice analogy. #wingnut
There’s a meme comparing the two wings to a wing nut… so that’s what I posted with a Thank you for coming to my TED Talk lol.
Pretty sure our politics differ, but appreciate the way you stand up and handle disagreements.
After living in the swamp for nearly five decades, you take on all politicians is pretty close.
The established sides only care about their established sides. It’s mind blowing to me anyone could have party loyalty. They don’t give a shit about any of us. lol
Same. In Nebraska to vote in primaries you MUST be a part of a political party. GE can be voted on as an independent. Which means I’ve changed my political affiliation from Independent to Dem or Rep several times just to vote in primaries. It’s a pain in the ass as I refuse to identify with one party or the other. Frankly, neither of them is worthy of my vote. Or yours.
But your vote in Nebraska might actually count right? South Dakota will always vote Republican so my vote for President doesn’t matter.
True of every single election in Calif.
The blue cities are the only part that counts.
It is worse in Oregon which is why the Greater Idaho movement is a thing.
Right, that’s why I usually say when I bitch about SD being so corrupt because it’s so red, it’s just as bad in areas of Cali and such. Agreed.
LOL….you just outed yourself.
You are not some middle of the road person that you claim you are.
No I didn’t. You are assuming things that aren’t true. I vote 3rd party usually. But what I am saying is basically nobodies informed and open minded vote matters. Not saying that no informed open minded person would vote Republican but a vast majority are just voting their party lines, not actually informed. I see you are trying to say I outed myself as a Dem or something, and no, not true. I have stated several times if I was forced to vote between Biden and Trump, I’d vote Trump. But I can’t vote for either because they are both scumbags.
Time to get a Kennedy back in the White House.
I could get behind that. I’d sure like him WAY more than Biden. Well at least the idea of him, would have to see how it panned out. I liked the idea of Trump before he took office and showed he was as easily bought and self serving as the rest too lol.
I’d say it’s like the road to hell is first started with a little sin here and then a little sin there. Our party has an absolute asshole running but we support him because we must win. And then the next , and then the next etc. And pretty soon it all becomes acceptable.
Agreed, it’s why I think identity politics is this country’s biggest issue. Because until that issue is tackled nothing will ever be able to be changed because divided we are conquered.
We must be close to 30 in power rankings, sure 9er’s 1.
30 might be high.
Just saw #23.
It’s odd right? Two years ago it seemed the Vikings were the best bad record team, where as last year they were the worst good record team… and now the pendulum has swung back from Wentz it came.
Starting to think trades and a high pick, very unlike me but the positives are few this year. Like Flores better so he’ll prob leave.
That’s a good idea, Wentz is still available.
can we trade FA for Wentz? lol
In other words, an average team that sometimes get a few more wins than expected.
Average
This is the Kirk way, and always will be.
Just had an employee meeting.
SPOILER: I went like every employee meeting. Boringly.
Looks like 56 and sun for Twinks, i guess afternoon games make sense in October.
gorgeous day.
man a twins win would be something.
Gray needs to get it done. Who’s asstro pitcher?
Christian Javier.
Very beatable, 4.56 era this year. not that great. Gray is better.
what was the reason the refs didnt flag the chiefs defender for taking off his helmet?
Can’t flag the Chiefs, they’re the face of the NFL right now
pretty lame it was so blatant.
we would have been flagged if a defender tripped as he ran off the field and his helmet came off, from an official across the field
Look at last year’s list of unwinnable games that we won. Look at all the fumbles this year that came from out of nowhere. Conspiracy theorist may theorize that this is evidence that the NFL is rigged.
Rigged might be a little strong, but the NFL definitely puts their hands on the scale.
Too bad the Vikings ball carriers don’t keep their hands on the ball
Perhaps with refs calls some.
WRT us, it’s simply catching and holding on to the ball.
a question for anyone who might know. A month or so back a comment was made that this site wasn’t growing but needed to start. Is that still the case?
Absolutely
We basically started the place is just a place to hang out. I want to remain fun, but it would be nice to have more people around.
1-4 is not helping. How’s kiddo and wife?
Doing great! Kiddo is loving football, WR and safety are his favorite positions. Wants to play RB, but he’s pretty small for that ths year.
I have way too many irons in the fire in my life right now, so I don’t really have the time to devote to the site, other than doing my best to have the daily thread up every day.
I appreciate your time (funding) to start and keep this place going. With that in mind, a thought or so and they will probably not be popular to some.
I was reading yesterday where BSF stopped posting because every post turns into Kirk, Kirk,etc. (he said it better than me). So, he stopped and left. A loss because he provides good football content – rather impartial. I grow thru days like that also, every day the shit on Cousins stuff.
Where I live there is a group of people that are obsessed with dumping on Trump. In a similar way, there appears some of the same here – day in day out.
Now, I’m sure this is a lot of fun for the folks doing so, and you want folks to have fun, but there’s a downside to this. It turns some off and I would wonder what a potential new poster might think.
Sorry, didn’t express this very well. Just think as a football site, when most of the actual football discussions evolve into dump on the QB – that’s not good for growth. And I feel like a bit of an ass, pointing out a problem without any type of solution.
What I find interesting is the entire off-season it was talked about how the OL and defense needed to improve and we’d be legit contenders. Myself included.
well guess what? They have. By leaps and bounds. OL is top 10 by most metrics and top 10 by others.
defense is top 15.
the Vikings see 1-4.
Could they he 5-0? Sure, but they aren’t.
statistically Kirk is having a tremendous season, like I said he would, but you can also see where some things ARE his fault.
refusing to acknowledge it and trying to shift blame is a poor argument.
there is a lot of blame tk go around, but the two main knocks on what Kirk “needed” for this team to succeed have improved.
yet the team is worse.
kirk hasn’t commit every turnover, or penalty, or blown coverage. But when you’re the QB, you’re “that guy” You’re the team leader, you’re the one they follow.
just like 4&8 in the playoffs, the sack on the Hail Mary was on him.
hes a good QB, he’s just not it anymore. The excuses for “why he can’t” are getting less and less each week.
pretty soon you’re going to have to say it’s him.
Well, go back and read some of my threads about the OL and defense. The very morning after the Eagles game with everyone going ape, I was praising the line and the defense for their play. Have done so all year. We are a better team right now because our line and defense is better.
I maintain we are 1-4 versus 4-1 because we can’t hold on to and or catch the ball! You want to beat the champs – you have to catch that screen pass.
And to me, Kirk is not having a great year, regardless of stats. His accuracy is off. But I still expect NFL receivers to catch balls.
Now, my broader point stands. What do you have – 12 -15 regular posters. And 3-4 of them use every football thread to shit on the QB. If you think that is a formula for growth, OK. I do not. I don’t know who is right, but I see people leaving and clearly not posting as much.
“Statistically” he’s having a great year.
Analytically he is off.
he’s getting older and you can’t beat Father Time.
he’s a good QB, but as this year is showing, there are some things he can’t overcome that ARE in his control.
I can’t speak for others, just myself, but anywhere you go on social media or blogs has this happening. Some on larger and some on smaller scales.
people go online to yell into the void.
My point – do you want to grow or not. That’s all. If you think it’s fine OK. but you are losing content posters.
I’ve been incredibly busy the lasat month or so, to say or insinuate I’ve run anyone off…
I can only control myself. We’re grown ups.
If NVF or others don’t like to stand on the merit of their side of the conversation…don’t jump in.
You don’t talk about something/ignore it… it goes away.
Mick I’m not talking about me or you.
I simply asked about growth.
So you asked about NVF – you’re an Admin, go back and look at the personal insult that have been hurled at him.
If you think you are going to grow with tht stuff going on, then we live in different worlds.
There is a young guy here who IMHO does a poor job of keeping his cool at times. His way to communicate on the internet might turn people off, for sure.
That said, it is a blog. Still, no need for name calling and personal insults, agreed.
OK, but if it gets to the point people are leaving or not posting as much, can’t see how that’s good.
Advertisement and spreading word about the site would help. Need to increase the number of people seeing it on Twitter, Facebook, etc. Nobody is going to end up on a website they don’t know exists.
I found it with search engine and politics is what caught my eye – I’m a political junkie.
At the end of the day, you need robust content.
I’ve been really busy anyway, but this ban on politics is the main reason I don’t comment as much. So worried about what’s going on in our country and do a lot of research. Can’t share it here anymore. Just giving it some time here to see what happens. Trust GF’s moderation, but some others went overboard.
Of course it isn’t. No idea what to do about this issue, besides being civil.
JRobert, there is no “right” since QB views are opinions.
I do not have the talent to be a water boy for the Vikings.
I think people leave when they are either insulted, or no longer care about a 1-4 team that is going nowhere.
It’s him, and has been since 2018.
The conductor of the dump Kirk train since 2018!
LOL..
so the never ending parade of stats and defense of Cousins is perfectly fine though?
Note to you.
I rarely post Cousins rants on my own.
Usually, not always, but usually I post in response to a Cousins stat of his alleged greatness.
I try to avoid the subject. I really do.
Perhaps this little discussion makes my point.
Well I never post (can’t remember any) posts on Cousins. And if I react to one, it’s usually over the top stuff.
Please – how many times have I read, regardless of subject – you say “not the QB’s fault”?
Now, Lifer is gone and you guys have just about run NLVF off.
Who are you trying to convince with all of this stuff, day in ,day out?
Look at BSF trying to talk football yesterday.
I try to take the middle ground in responding to the Kirk hates/defenders.
Some stuff is his fault yes.
Some stuff is not his fault.
Don’t know if it helps but I doubt anyone cares and they are entrenched in their opinions.
True. Because of his defenders using that excuse ad nauseum, week in, week out, year in, year out.
I haven’t “run anybody” out of here.
My guess is people are leaving because the Vikings are 1-4 and all the stuff they use to defend Cousins has been proven mostly invalid.
If/when a new QB is at the helm, people will trash him.
I can guess as to who the first one trashing the new QB will be.
I will give anyone a chance. I gave Kirk 2.
A rookie will get more leeway from me.
But yes, eventually I will be calling for SLOTERGOAT
Correct.
I will give the new QB a chance for a couple of years. I tried to bite my tongue for 2018-20 even though I didn’t like the signing.
maybe the 1-4 is the reason , maybe it isn’t. So, just in case it isn’t, why not change behavior if it might help. It;s free
Don’t know if you run others off or not – you do not insult people – but yesterday your ragging on Cousins ran BSF off for at minimum the day. and he was trying to talk objective football.
If BSF is butt hurt about that, that’s his problem not mine.
Everything I posted about Cousins yesterday was in response to someone else starting a conversation. If other takes are not permitted because you think only you have the correct perspective to post, I’m outta here.
I certainly do not have a correct perspective – not really sure.
Fact – site is not growing and hasn’t been. along before 1-4 Why?
I thought Gone Fishin said he wanted site to grow, Now, if you think taking every football into a shit on Cousins discussion will help it grow, then we just disagree.
Fact – BSF left site yesterday and he stated why and called you out. That is a fact and not my perspective.
And if BSF is buthurt, that’s on him. Thoughtful
Well here is another fact.
I never responded to BSF other than to say he was wrong about me starting a Cousins debate.
All I did was post the failure of Kirk to run the Hail Mary. If that got BSF all upset, how am I to blame for that?
You first indicated you were only responding to a Cousins comment – only responding. You in fact started with Cousins taking 4 seonds etc
BSF then made his post about all the things wrong in the game and suggested you had a Cousins problem. He then went on about all the Kirk Kirk stuff everyday and left.
Think there’s a reasonable thought here
Sounds like I missed a fun day yesterday.
Usually that is the case.
I was mistaken.
I posted that hail mary play and BSF went off.
Why that bugged him, I have no idea.
If you are allowed to post “positive” stats randomly than anybody should be able to post a random point.
You want to censor unapprove JR comments, and then claim you don’t want to censor people.
LMAO
Please nothing gets accomplished going to extremes and you know it.
I am dead against conservatorship. Men should act like men and I’d expect you as a conservative know that.
I don’t post positive stats ever and I’m not sure who is left that does.
I said up front I had no solution – but I can’t believe it’s good for this site if practically every football discussion ends up being a shit on Cousins thing.
Example – just last week I made a comment about a heavy package on the goal line and it’s benefits. BSK later posted a picture of the formation and we used it against Panthers (I missed game).
I replied of it’s many benefits. And then out of the blue cam if Cousins didn’t need 8 seconds to throw…… Completely derailed a good discussion. Had nothing to due with Cousins.
Do you think that is good for the site?
It’s a football fan site.
Debate happens.
I don’t call people names. I have been called names by many.
If GF says Cousins discussions are not allowed, I will either abide by his rules or leave.
Again, that’s not the point. Of course, There needs to be Cousins discussions as well as all players as appropriate. But must he be brought in to every discussion regardless of subject.
Just my opinion, this site lacks some football content. And it seems a shame to me when a discussion gets started (content) it gets killed off.
And you do not call people names or anything like that.
Speaking of the Fail Mary, was it really Kirk’s fault, the OL’s fault, or KOC’s fault for knowing the OL could fold yet not calling for a rollout?
I see potential for all 3 to have a share, depending on what was actually called.
LOL……
Just a little fact, without getting into this, you do have to hold the ball long enough to let your receivers get into the endzone. Several other factors, but not worth the effort.
Well, technically he held it long enough…..while running for his life from the DL…..Ingram standing there helpless, staring down at Kirk yet again at the end of the play.
They were close enough, had he NOT been sacked he could have put enough air under it to let the WRs get down there.
OR, KOC could have called a rollout and that would have bought time for the WRs to get down there.
Well not only do you need some time for receivers, you need some space to plant as you need to throw a rather long very high ball.
A little question – who on our team (other than JJ) can catch a ball over his head?
Good point. Obviously not TJ
Disagree.
The ball needs to be thrown to time the arrival of the receivers in the end zone.
Yo have to get your feet planted to throw that kind of ball.
A question – read yesterday have a 10% chance on play.
Did you notice the size of out WR’s compared to KC’s. What do you think that does to our chances.
Then notice our receivers. Seen any catch the ball above head height other than JJ.
Wasn’t too hopeful for this play regardless.
Who knows.
I do know that it’s a 0% chance of succeeding if the QB doesn’t throw it.
We do have ……. diminutive WRs.
So you would advocate for censorship vs people leaving that do not agree with someone else on the internet?
Site may not be growing, but still has a much larger userbase that comments vs the Daily Norseman. Most of us that left that place, left because of the aggressive censoring. At least that is why I bailed.,
If Kirk bashing were not allowed, I would just find something else to hate on and argue about. Like Beans in Chili.
Censoring one side is never the right thing to do.
I am never for censorship – I am a conservative and expect men to act like men.
Kirk bashing – fine, to a point. But not where every football post – like using 22 personnel – iis turned into bash Kirk crap. That is what gets old and actually stymes good discussion.
Agreed.
I’m actually with him, I am absolutely exhausted with the Kirk discussion. I do my absolute best to not comment on him.
HOWEVER, he is the quarterback of the Vikings and this is a Vikings blog, so I guess some discussion of Kirk is inevitable.
I’m not sure what the best solution is on this one.
If Kirk leaves in free agency or retires, maybe we won’t talk about him so much. Probably not, but one can hope.
When Kirk leaves, we can pile on Hock, since the bastard forgot how to play once he got paid.
Wrong.
We will still get the posting of Cousins stats and the, “see we told you, told you….
Yeah, that is likely. At least until the rookie they draft looks great and we forget about all QBs before him.
We’ll talk plenty about him when he goes to a contender because of injury and helps win a SB.
That said, he does seem to have lost some of his accuracy, and that has seldom been a problem before. Kirk had off days like all QBs, but he does not seem as accurate as in previous seasons. Kirktober does not seem to be a thing anymore.
Only if he is a back up.
This theory will also be proven wrong after his career is over IMO.
I agree discussion of the QB is always appropriate on a football blog – to a degree and the right “degree” is the key.
I told you my comment would not be well received.
I don’t know your business, but if you have posters like BSF who leave because of all the Kirk Kirk stuff, that can’t be good I wouldn’t think). And guys like NLVF, they seem to have been put down to silence. Again, I wouldn’t think that is good for a full, robust discussion. But, I don’t know much about this.
I was exhausted with the Kirk debate a long time ago. Not only do I never comment on it, I totally ignore it. It’s easy to just skip comments or collapse the whole thread. I’m against any kind of censorship, though. If conversations devolve into personal insults, just delete those comments.
My 2c.
There’s an equal group saying positive things about him. You’re going to get that anywhere you go, and on whatever topic someone starts a conversation – scheme, defense, OL, etc.
Eliminating football talk from a football discussion site just because you don’t want to hear it is not only counterproductive it’s censorship.
What is REALLY driving people away is not the disagreement, it’s the way people disagree. Devolving to insults is grade school mentality, and it’s sad that people have to let it get that far. We’re all Vikings fans, we all want the same result, we just have differing opinions on what needs to be accomplished to effect that result.
There are relatively few things that come up for new subject matter, so naturally topics will be revisited often, but yeah, I see how scripted every day can be.
I like reading your contributions. You have good observations. You are well-spoken, and you don’t resort to calling names because someone has a different opinion. Hang in there.
Correct.
no room to start personally attacking people.
I really offered the comment for the owner of the site so as to help with growth.
But let’s be honest, if you say something positive about Cousins here, you are going to be attacked ( and sometimes personally). That is just the way it is.
I say nice things about Kirk all the time.
but I’m not one-sided and blind about it.
The OL is drastically improved and so is the defense yet the team is not.
Kirk’s fault? To some extent absolutely. But to absolve him of any fault? Cmon now.
I’m not absolving him of anything and that was hardly my point.
1-4 is a result of several things. In no particular order:
4 of 7 of those are things that have little to do with Kirk. 3 of them (INTs, poor throwing accuracy, and drops of challenging throws) are influenced by his play.
What’s the easiest thing to correct? Fumbles and drops.
Strength of schedule cannot be controlled.
We may be starting to see Father Time catch up to Kirk.
KOC is gonna KOC.
OL is improving, but how much would they improve immediately with Risner on the field?
ditto.
Well, the other side of the coin is that I have been attacked for not loving Kirk, or for saying his poor play is the reason for a loss.
name calling, even from NLNVF, for saying Kirk played poorly.
Seldom do I buy into two wrongs make a right.
Name calling sucks – period!
I have never resorted to that with anyone here.
Kirk, however, is fair game. As is any player.
Fans will complain unless the team wins.
We’re talking about degrees here, that’s all.
Yes, winning cures all ills.
What does college have to do with this conversation?
Ha Ha
Language can get abrasive, which there is no need. Dissect plays by players and let it rest.
I say Kirk sucks all the time.
Truth is, Kirk is a very good pocket passer QB with an excellent arm when things go according to script.
Since December 2018 I have called for a change because of Kirk’s inability to improvise.
I am a fan, and I am frustrated. No big deal. I do not personally attack people that disagree with me. I do not rage quit a site because people pile on the kirk love, I just ignore it and move on.
Moving on is what this team will finally do. 12 more games with Kirk at QB, then I can have hope again.
Being the Vikings, the hope will be short lived.
This is the way.
Yeah, lots of people losing interest in football with the 1-4 start.
I am bailing on the pickem things since I am so bad/so far behind.
Still alive in Survival!
Without fantasy football, I am ready to talk about smoker recipes again.
At least fall is hunting season. With pheasant hunting, I have until the end of the year to hunt. After that I can go coyote hunting too, but that doesn’t fill the freezer.
I’ve just about abandoned fantasy.
When I play one of the highest scoring teams week in and week out, it’s a sign from God.
i can already see it now…
vikings move on from kirk, draft a qb, we somehow draft the worst one, we suck forever again…
meanwhile kirk signs with green bay, wins the superbowl in his first season there, has a special on netflix to show everyone how his lombardi shelf finally has a trophy in it, and it pans to his bathroom and the toilet paper is purple and gold.
Never gonna happen.
He will need to change his trophy shelf to Stat King and Tuesday’s Off.
Vikings will move on from Kirk, but unless he goes to a team as stacked as the 49rs, the only way he gets a lombardi trophy is as a backup QB on a great team.
I still think Cousins signs with Vikings because he won’t have $40 million fully guaranteed offers from anybody. I hope he does and is gone. He had 6 years to make it happen.
I’d be ok with him signing for backup money and holding the clipboard for the rookie.
in some other city.
I just do not think that they want him around.
He is not playing as well as he has in the past, and will be 36.
Time to move on, but I am not the GM
After 6 years and one playoff win, it really is time to move on and rebuild.
Even the Wilf’s gotta see that.
Well I hope that is correct.
I just got this feeling Kirk will come back and accept whatever Kwesi may offer. @he said he wanted to retire a Viking@
I don’t see the Vikings making that move.
Or Cousins getting that kind of money.
he’s in the hired gun part of his career now.
pass blocking sucks.
If only the Vikings had a good o-line, Kirk would be unstoppable.
for real, someone make it make sense…
in the tweet below, how can our line be 2nd in pass blocking but 32nd in hits allowed and 27th in pressure…
IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE
Because… there’s another factor that isn’t the OL you have to figure in.
it rhymes with Smirk Smousins
flirk flousins?
It’s spelled Overpaid Mediocre QB Who Never Has and Never Will Win Anything.
Because it was a back handed way to get at Cousins supporters to say you can’t use OL play as an excuse.
Your question – will probably be Cousins holds the ball to long.
Now, the Oline has improved as well as the defense.
But, if you can’t hold on to or catch the ball well these stats take a back seat.
The QB is a statue and has a slow release.
Are you really new to the NFL?
i’m used to the CFL where everyone says sorry when they tackle someone
It will probably be on the updated NFL rule book soon.
My favorite is lifer rage quitting fantasy and his team wins the next week.
i thought someone said he dumped his whole team.
And i added it back ikncase he wanted to settle down and come back.
then he beat GF.
LOL
Bryce Harper & his girl’s haircut.
Good comeback win, last night.
Was phenomenal. Hopefully that lights a fire & they get the bats going.
With JJ out 4+ weeks, the Bears game suddenly seems very losable.
Thinking 3-6 after 9 games. At best.
Team will win just enough games to miss out on the best QB.
Vikings things…..
Good job Raiders.
Agreed. That was fun.
GO Lions! As long as FTP does not win, the season is entertaining enough.
I’m not a fan of any of our rivals, however, I would be more likely to cheer for the Lions as they have been such a horrible team for so long. Plus it would be nice to hear about someone else than to listen to the non-stop slobber fest over the Eagles and the 49ers by the national media.
I think the 49rs are the best team currently, and there is a big drop off after them. Eagles included.
I have no issues rooting for the Lions and Bears when they are not playing the Vikings.
I enjoy any time the Packers lose. I enjoyed the game, would have checked out if the Packers were winning. Makes it even better that the Raiders aren’t very good. I am definitely rooting for the Lions and I enjoy watching the 49ers. Those studs in the trenches and that defense are my kind of football. Really wish someone would beat the Eagles, though, I hate them.
FTP!
Looks like the price of tickets for the Packer and Vikings game is getting cheaper for me. And I can piss everyone off with my Kraft jersey matched with my Vikings hat haha.
Injury-prone. Price just went down big-time.
Monty Python auto rec
That stinks. When watching the Vikings lose, you could at least hope to see a few great plays by Jefferson.
Could be good for Addison to develop and come back next year with the best wide receiver duo in the league, for our rookie QB.
And with the TE as part of it the best trio. Great hands all the way around.
Who are we trading Hock for. Just joking, I really like Hock, just having a few bad breaks.
JJ to IR
The fumbles-meme picture I created made the feature image!
I’m going to call mom!
Mom said, “What’s a ‘meme’ you giant loser who embarrasses me in front of my friends? I hate you, spawn. Die.”
So, yeah, it went pretty well!
lol
Your family speaks to you? Lucky…
42!
GM
FTP
SKOL
Good morning, FTP!
SKOL!
OL sucks.
#nothisfault
I love it when the popular “hawt taek” is proven inaccurate.
Yeah, like I’ve been saying about the OL for a while…
Same here….
I was called nuts and accused of producing “lying stats”.
The O-Line played well enough to win on Sunday. We had other issues…
Certainly have buyers remorse over the TE contract.
Glad it was not my money.
Agreed. Hock has not stepped up. Nowhere near the quality of Kelce and Kittle.
Lol
TJ is doing just fine.
top of the league in receptions yards and TDs
i don’t understand how we can be 2nd in pass blocking but also last in qb hits allowed and almost last in pressures…..
The QB hold the ball too long
QB – holds ball too long
KOC – designs plays that take too long to develop
IOL – sucks still, so we have to keep TEs in to help block leaving 2 passing routes to throw to
Composite line grade – Our tackles are so good there numbers make up for Ingram
I will say, our Oline does look much improved over the last few years, but there are several factors as to why Kirk gets hit so much.
I will say Kirk did have a few plays on Sunday that he normally does not make. The shuttle pass that was called back for holding, and the pocket escape to the right where he threw for the first down, are a couple.
IOL is grading quiet well.
perfect cannot be the enemy of good.
We have been doing much better at moving the line on short yardage plays, than the last few years. It just seems like we are letting the stunt/blitz through, when everyone in the country knows it is coming.