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https://x.com/lsutiger67/status/1747509971993186486
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lol Hunter high is so fitting
Warning. This is going to be a long comment that’s probably better for an article but nobody reads those around here and I stopped doing Fanposts on DN a couple years ago. If you like data/numbers, you may find this worthwhile, and I’m hoping to get some follow up questions from folks to generate some discussion, once I lay out the framework of my analysis. If you don’t like numbers and/or TLDR is too much for you, don’t read it.
The motive behind this analysis is an increasing level of boredom/frustration on the endless discussion about, “is QB wins a legitimate stat?”. The obvious answer all along, for me at least, has always been “yes and no”. But the problem is that, just like in politics and other areas of life, we drifted to the extreme as a society where we want things to be black and white, not gray. Unfortunately, the reality is that in most things, “somewhere in the middle” lies the best truth. Hence, I decided to do an analysis to see not whether QB wins is a stat, because it is and it isn’t, but to what extent do QBs “influence wins”.
Like any analysis, you have to pick a starting point to narrow down an unlimited set of variables. So, I started with building a ‘regular season’ data set over the past 5 seasons, from 2019 – 2023. I limited my analysis, with a few exceptions I’ll explain later, to the “Top 10 teams based on regular season record” for each of these 5 seasons. From there, I built a spreadsheet to include the following stats by team/season:
These stats gave me the basis for my analysis. To be clear, football is a team sport with a lot of other important variables my data set doesn’t capture like, time of possession, turnover margin, special teams play, etc. But I spent several hours over the past couple of days manually inputting this data and I do have a business to run. I also don’t use “pay for” sites because there’s a lot of free resources (my favorite is PFR). The down side is that it’s hard to import and/or copy/paste data into spreadsheet from these sites, so you end up doing a lot of data entry. Bottom line, this isn’t a “perfect data set” (there is no such thing) and it’s also important to note I’m using an Excel spreadsheet to determine some basic correlations between data. I’m not running regression analysis or using statistical software that would/could provide a higher level of integrity to this analysis. That said, I did find some interesting “basic correlations” and trends that give a little more insight into my starting question (i.e. are QB wins a stat), as well as some other interesting outcomes.
Before I get into “answering” my initial question, here are some high level regular season observations (in no particular order). Some may seem obvious but I’ll explain why they’re notable, to me at least:
What about playoffs? For this question, I did an admittedly simple analysis and just looked at the 4 teams that made a championship game for the past 4 years (I will update my spreadsheet with 2023 data in a couple weeks), and then I also further considered the two teams that made the Super Bowl and the team that ultimately won. Here’s a few tidbits I found:
So, without further adieu, let’s get back to my original question: is QB wins a stat? The answer is still yes and no but, if you’ve been paying attention, I think we have more clarity as to that answer…it’s more yes than no. The data suggests a strong correlation between QBR (i.e. QB stats) and both RS and playoff performance (i.e. wins). If 70% of the top teams in both the RS and playoffs have a QB with a Top 10 QBR and, per above, offense matters more than defense these days, then the QB has a much higher influence on team success than any other factor. In general, QBs deserve more of the credit when things go right and also deserves more of the blame when things go wrong.
That said, that doesn’t mean variables outside his control aren’t also important and I actually think there are two good Kirk Cousins related examples that illustrate this point:
When the Vikings made the playoffs in 2019, Kirk finished 13th in QBR and the Vikings passing game finished 23rd. They had success primarily due to their 6th ranked rushing offense and 5th ranked defense. This is an example where, focusing just on the RS results, Kirk didn’t contribute as much to the team’s success as other parts of the team. I’m not saying he sucked…we just didn’t get the production from that position that you would expect from a top paid QB (according to OTC, Kirk had the 3rd highest cap hit in the league in 2019).
Conversely, when the Vikings made the playoffs in 2022, Kirk finished 4 in QBR (his best season ever) and the passing game was ranked 5th. Unfortunately, their 27th ranked rushing offense and 28th ranked defense doomed the Vikings in the playoffs. That said, there’s no way the Vikings win so many one-score games or make the playoffs if not for an outstanding season by Cousins. He was still the 3rd highest paid QB in terms of salary cap hit that season but, in this case, he earned it.
Anyway, I don’t expect this to end the debate. And frankly, I found some of the other “insights” I found to be more interesting than trying to “prove” or “disprove” whether or not QB wins is a thing. The bottom line is that both side of this debate have merit but if you’re arguing from the extreme on either side, you’re wrong. The truth is in the middle albeit nearer to QB wins is a stat than not. Perhaps the better question to ask would be, “is wins a ‘QB only’ stat?” in which case the clear answer is no. But as far as the more discussed alternative, “is ‘QB wins’ a stat?” the answer will always be, “yes, but…”.
Skoli, I am a numbers guy but I don’t have time to read the whole thing and give it adequate thought and attention right now, I have read the 1st couple of paragraphs and I am intrigued.
I will give a full reading tomorrow and give you a decent response and feedback.
Thanks for your analytical work.
I need to wrap up my day and needed to post this before I left. It took me longer to type up than I anticipated (i.e. thought I’d get it out earlier), but I didn’t want to lose my work and wasn’t sure how it would copy/paste if I saved it in a Word file overnight.
I may repost it on tomorrow’s thread or happy to have an admin do it when they setup tomorrows thread, if they’re so included (no pressure).
Makes sense. You wouldn’t comprehend it anyway.
This is an outstanding analysis. And i applaud you taking a difficult subject that is tossed around with a lot of “subjective” thoughts and using analysis to bring a more substantive view.
I need to read a few more times to more fully comprehend.
At first blush, a thought or question about QBR? From my limited reading, there seems to be a fair amount of subjectivity to the development of this number. This number appears to have a fair amount of weight in the analysis. Just wonder if you have feelings on this?
Again, a great lopk at this.
All “manufactured stats” (e.g. QBR, QB rating, DVOA, etc) rely on some level of subjectivity when weighting the various factors in their algorithms. They are also limited by the number of variables you can reasonably consider that affect the stat. For instance, Kirk’s 2019 QBR could have been better if we had a better o-line, scheme, etc but QBR doesn’t consider that. However, I still believe a composite stat like QBR is better than just looking at completion %, passing yards, TD/INT ratio, etc because it captures most/all of those factors into a single “stat”. And the fact there is a 70% correlation between Too 10 QBR and Top 10 team results suggests it’s more right than wrong and, minimally better than QB rating that doesn’t correlate as highly.
Thanks. After a second read get you point about the 70% correlation.
And agree about composite stats versus individual one.
Will read again as I think this is a very interesting subject and appreciate your effort here ( just like thoughtful work).
Posted my own completely subjective and personal thoughts on W/L stat as refers to baseball pitchers ( with inference to QB.s).a couple of days ago.
I saw your baseball analogy post and thought it was interesting. It’s part of what “inspired” my effort along with the ad naseum “Kirk Tuesday” debates.
I have to admit I just skimmed the article, but thanks for doing all the work. Interesting stuff. However, I don’t expect it to stop anybody from declaring their extreme viewpoint. We generally read stuff with our own bias and especially when our bias is to the extreme.
Solid post, read the whole thing. I found it intriguing that the year (he who shall not be named on any day but tuesday) posted his mid 13th ranked QBR ( id argue thats closer to his average than his one time top 3 in 2022) had a 23rd ranked passing attack but thats the best this team has looked since 2017 and its the last time we won a play off game.
Also this helps to point that you need both sides of the ball to have their shit together as well as a QB that can be great CONSISTANTLY as much as possible, not a one month stretch or one time season. While being on the cheap in order to make the bowl. Team sport that is heavily impacted by one position.
lol…rec.
ty for this. Made me think, and read a long post this late at night.
I consider wins a QB stat, but as you say, sometimes they are not.
I feel that the longer a persons QB career, the more accurate that stat will be. There will be teams that are bad and good in that QBs time playing, and if he truly sucks he will start as often as Manion or Hall and have a very short career. I feel 3 years and longer starts to really show if a QB can lift the team when it is needed.
I agree there’s an intangible “lift stat” for QBs…some have it, some don’t. The challenge is in how you measure it. Tom Brady has IT (obviously) and Mahomes does too. You can probably throw Josh Allen into that mix, to an extent, but beyond that, I’m not sure. I do know Kirk isn’t in that mix yet, but he could be… he’s running out of time (age-wise).
Summary:
foreskinface appreciates people doing what he easily could have done but didn’t because he’s super lazy, helps explain why it takes him 2 days to change a battery
Bow supposed to work on a ninja report (whatever that is), makes snarky comments to freezey instead
NoDak is stunned people downvote his comments
Dalvin Cook discussion
JacksonVike suggests firing 25% of your employees will increase productivity
According to NoDak Gruden is a blind Ass Hat because RGIII was mobile
Very slow, not much to summarize
The thread itself was a summary today.
once again, i dominate the summary. always a good day when that happens
Can’t wait for Mauer to be announced as a first ballot HOFer next week
Loved Joe Mauer….Stupid Concussions.
joe steroid mauer
Salt Life on the coast
Salt Life in MN
“mutual interest”
“Priority” = Make as much money on the last big time contract ill ever get. Also who the fuck is MLFootball
Yeah, SB priority means whatever team that will meet my demands and sucks the least.
also not sure on ML football, but they are reposting a report from an ap sports news guy.
As is most people’s priority including yours: to make money and as much as you can.
More PR for the fans…..
it will be delicious when it’s a team friendly deal, way below what he’s worth..
it will be disgusting when it’s not
What if it’s a team friendly deal for Atlanta?
Will that still be delicious?
it would be extra delicious
I hope Atlanta gives him 50 per year fully guaranteed for 3 years.
That will likely be called “team friendly” since Dak’s cap it is $59 million.
Does Kirk shave his armpits?
https://www.outkick.com/kirk-cousins-armpit-shaving/
Who cares? I do always have. I basically feel I am wasting a lot of deodorant and it’s less effective.
I just thought it was hilarious that there was an actual story about this.
Good point
Wouldnt surprise me. Also REALLY glad I bartended during this game. I havent watched a second of it, including this cringe video. No thank you.
what an absolutely atrocious game this was
complete shit show!
Crap Fest!
glad it was during new years eve and i was at friends so i didn’t have to devote any attention to it
We came home from the party we attended on New Year’s Eve at halftime, checked the score… well, we just should have stayed at the party for a few more drinks.
And I was at that mess.
oh that’s right. that SUCKS
In addition to shaving is armpits,
Well, she’s the boss.
I know its not Tuesday but
Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins was a better player than Robert Griffin III (msn.com)
Gruden must be a blind Ass-Hat. I mean RG III was MOBILE!
Well no kidding, RGIII has been out of the league for like 5 years, pretty low bar.
Gruden is being self serving here and it is about half assed truth.
Truth is it was actually Bill Belichek (yes) that got Cousins promoted over RGlll.
This is gonna be good… do tell how that happened with BB… cause I don’t think your rememberizing correctly.
Story from a coach who was standing there
Shanahan got fired for playing Cousins over RGlll
Gruden bought in specifically teach RGlll to play from pocket – was failing as Shanahan said. But Gruden knew Snyder was the boss.
So before Patroits preseason game, teams have a joint practice.
Both teams coaches and Snyder are standing around. Snyder asks Belichek if he sees anything obviously wrong with the team
Belichek straight up answer – you have your QB’s ranked wrong.
shouldn’t be RGlll, Cousins, McCoy. It should be Cousins, McCoy and RG111.
And that’s how Cousins became the starter, MCoy the backup and bye bye to RGlll. Took Belichek in all his power at the time to get Snyder off the RGlll kick.
Wow, that is quite the story!
Like I said, If Bill takes the Atlanta job, my guess is Cousins goes there too.
@Stupid Belichek, doesn’t know a loser QB when he sees one@
More Snyder. the absolute idiot and asshole, and was willing to bury the whole team rather than owning up to his mistake.
Not exactly. Shanahan never played Cousins over RGIII. RGIII went to Shanahan’s house and told him he would no longer run the ball, but instead be a pocket passer from that point forward, and Shanahan laughed at him, and said, yeah, maybe in about 5 years. RGIII went to Dan Snyder, and complained that Shanahan was going to wreck his career, and Snyder got rid of Shanahan.
As to your Belichick story, that too is false. It was Tom Brady in an interview after a joint practice who was asked about RGIII and his reply to the press was, “I’d be watching #12 if I was you”.
Finally, it was Gruden and GM Scot McCloughan who went to Snyder and Allen and told them they didn’t think Griffin “had it” and were making a change at QB. This was after an interview where Griffin was asked if he thought he was a top 5 QB in the league and his response was “absolutely, and I’m definitely the best QB on this team”. That pushed Gruden and McCloughan over the edge, and the next day Gruden announced he was benching Griffin for the year, and named Cousins the starter for 2015. 6 days before the start of the season
Another fascinating story….
Which one of you two has the more accurate version of history? Was it Bill or Tom who ultimately told the Foreskins they were starting the wrong QB?
The world may never know.
Then there is this from 2015 regarding Bill’s love of Cousins….
Bill Belichick really, really likes Kirk Cousins | For The Win (usatoday.com)
All I know is I watched the Tom Brady presser when he made those comments. It was live, and boy were those comments buried by the press. Not one story was ever written about it.
then we’re going to have to disagree. I read the papers, listened to the sports junkies, and talked to a few coaches (golf buddies).
Shanahan did not want RG lll and told Snyder he was giving up way to much capital to get him. He believed he could get Cousins cheap and use picks to get more talent. Snyder wouldn’t listen and went ahead.
So with RGlll shanahan devised an offense for him and it went very well. then he hurt his knee- from all the running.
After that RG111 and his DAD went to Snyder and said RGlll was a pocket QB and they need to change to that.
RG111 then went to Shanahan and said of the change to pocket stuff.
Shanahan would later say when RGlll came to me ” I could tell he had already been to Dan and got his OK (orders).
From that, Shanahan tried some, but got feed up cause RGlll couldn’t do it – so he benched RQlll and started Cousins. And got fired for doing that.
Gruden was bought in specifically to train RGlll.
Now, I don’t recall the Brady interview, although I know he and Cousins are a bit tight.
But do know what I was told from coaches who were standing there. Maybe it was BS, or not.
Of course you both could be right regarding Tom’s statement and Bill’s statement. It doesn’t need to be an either or.
Completely agree. Either way, to your original post, Gruden had a lot of help.
You and those coaches obviously are not as intune and informed as NLNVF.
I agree that Shanahan didn’t want Griffin, for sure. The deal Snyder and Allen made to get him infuriated Shanahan.
Also, you are right that after the Redskins started 3-10 in 2013, Shanahan benched Griffin, stating he didn’t want him to further damage his knee in a lost season. Truth be told, Griffin played poorly all year, but Shanahan insisted it was only to protect Griffin from further injuries. So yep, I missed wide right on that. I had forgotten about it. I also may have missed wide right on the order of precedence on Griffin’s conversations with Snyder and Shanahan as you highlighted. You are also correct that Griffin’s father was involved.
Gruden was indeed brought in to fix Griffin and promised he would teach Griffin “how to make every throw in the book”. Gruden even bought the house across the street from Griffin so they could be close. But in the end Griffin just failed badly in executing Gruden’s offense.
As to Brady and Belichick which was the initial point of our conversation, I never heard anything about Belichick talking to Gruden, and really, I don’t think he had to. Gruden fully knew Griffin was dorking up almost every single play, and so did the locker room. Cousins was clearly a much better QB, so Gruden and McCloughan benched Griffin.
Belichick did praise Cousins play, before they played the Redskins in 2015 though, after Cousins had been named the starter however.
So I never heard anything about Belichick telling Gruden he would play Cousins over Griffin, but I DID hear Tom Brady say words to that effect.
Perhaps both are true
Perhaps
I can’t wait to hear this either….do tell.
Some talk about Belichek earlier.
Heard a funny story about him (least I thought).
Seems Bill had talked with Kraft and got some direction to do something.
Bill comes back and tells Eric Mangini to do this.
Mangini questions about doing it
Bill tells Mangini – if you don’t want to do it, buy your own team!
Certain life lesson to this too.
I missed out on the different styles of dealing with a workforce yesterday, read it all this morning.
We have levels in each department that determine pay grades, 1-4. This is mostly based off of performance, attendance and capability. At the time, a level 3 only made about $1.25 per hour less than a level 4, so many people would rather be a level 3 and not have the expectations of a level 4.
I was once asked how to increase productivity in our shop; I said fire 25% of the employees that have been a level 3 for more than 6 months. Management said that, that would cut into our workforce too much and would not be able to keep up with production. I said, the other 75% of level 3 employees would probably step up their production.
Shortly after this conversation with my manager, I was working with a friend, he’s a very hard worker. We stopped welding for a minute and he said, look at those guys, they’re making twice as much money as us. I said that they are level 4 welders just like us. He said, yeah but they do half the work.
That would certainly have lit a fire under their collective asses.
I would be more inclined to agree with the firing 25% if I were able to replace them in a timely manner. Where I’m at we go weeks, sometimes months without qualified people applying for open positions.
Not sure I completely understand this – 1.25 less versus half as much in last thought.
Still there’s something in compensation called valence theory about motivation and pay.
Goes like this – employees thoughts, can I do the job, if I do the job will I be compensated. if I do it well will I be well compensated. (as I remember, been a while).
First question – is 1.25 enough of a difference for increase in work required for a 4 compared to a 3? If not, why would a person do it?
The Ravens have added Dalvin Cook to their 53-man roster with the intention of playing him Saturday against the Houston Texans.
Apparently he has more left in the tank than Gordon.
Neither have much left, running on fumes at this point, which is kinda weird for Cook because he’s still only 28 and its usually 30 where RBs fall off a cliff. He’s had a lot of injuries over his career though.
Personally I think Dalvin has plenty left in the tank. I think the Ravens made a great decision adding him to their roster for their playoff run.
at this time of season, should have fresh legs. Don’t think he touched the ball all that much with Jets.
Yeah, it was weird, they brought him in, and barely used him. Like the GM brought in a player the HC didn’t want or something. But of course, that never happens.
No, it was because he is washed…..
Laughing… last year Cook was 6th in the league in rushing yards, averaged 4.4 yards per carry, and scored 8 rushing TD’s.
This year the Jets barely used him.
did we have a running play all year longer than 25 yards?
No… or wait maybe. Dobbs may have done it.
Hoe about RB?
Just checked, Chandler had a 31 yard run
we had one all year – that speaks volumes.
Yes, and I can remember several huge runs Dalvin had for the Vikings in 2022.
Chandler also had a few that were called back.
Since we all want a big time playoff team, we have to run the ball a lot better.
I think Chandler had a 30+ yard run, though I I know Mattison didn’t.
He was horribly inefficient last year, but still displayed some explosiveness, from what I saw of him this year he did not.
OK, I never got to see him play this year. He’s about to play behind a good O-line and the best rushing team in the league. Lamar and Cook together in the backfield? Could be really good. Also Cook can catch the ball out of the backfield. I’m hoping he has a chance to play, and makes some plays.
Yeah, I’m not wishing him to suck. There are a couple guys already on the roster that were productive. I do question how much he’ll play.
Me too. Hopefully get more than a couple plays.
I hope Cook has an awesome play off run and makes the Vikings look silly for letting him go…
By all accounts he is a class act.
The Vikings kinda had to let him walk. They were getting their fiscal house in order. I am like you though, I think he’s a class act, and I want to see him win a Super Bowl.
Us paying him what he wanted would have been stupid AF, dont get it twisted nodak. You rely too much on nostalgia for keeping players around. Makes 0 business sense.
Somebody downvoted me for hoping Cook has a great playoff run….
Stunned….Stunned I tell you.
Yeah…. I get a lot of that too… grin. It’s a blog, and just consider the source.
I think some of it is desire. I think Cook is coasting the last few years.
I think that shoulder injury hindered him for at least 3 years. Then in the offseason this year, he got it surgically repaired.
I am being a smart ass really, didn’t think it was a possibility.
But he served a useful purpose and had football value.
Do you think DC’s fear Mattison.
Even last year, Cook took it to the house several time.
DC’s have to plan for that.
Oh, he was definitely a threat… big time.
Can you imagine if he breaks a big run for a TD on Saturday????
I get that teams want to get their staff in place as soon as possible to start on all the off season work, and that promotable coaches don’t want to miss opportunities, but I still HATE it that coaches for teams still playing get distracted with all these interviews. It’s not fair to the guys who risk their health and play their guts out on the field.
These are not just video chats. Common practice in the NFL is for candidates to prepare a plan for what they would do to improve the team they’re interviewing for. You don’t just throw that together in an hour. I’m literally an expert on interviewing, but even I would spend at least 40 hours preparing to interview for a job I really wanted (good luck trying to ask me any question I haven’t prepared for, lol).
@kmeinke
Ben Johnson has 2 new interviews on the books, with the Chargers and Seahawks on Saturday. Also speaking with the Commanders and Panthers on Friday, as previously reported
Agreed, Kathy. Exhibit A: Pat Shurmur, and how he conducted himself during the last NFCCG the Vikes managed to get to.
They’re saying they take most of the time away from their families, which is probably at least somewhat true, but preparing for 4 interviews? No way does that not take at least some time away from preparing for the playoff game.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/01/18/detroit-lions-coordinators-balance-buccaneers-head-coach-interviews/72271606007/
Look for Cheatachick to target Cousins in a win now push for the Falcons.
idk…
if he’s taking a team over i could see him wanting to draft a qb of the future….
will the falcons be the team to trade for the #1 overall with the bears?
Belichek isn’t drafting a QB in the first round again. He did it once in almost 30 years and it cost him his job.
Yep…thats right. He doesn’t have the time or the desire to draft a QBOTF
Still a smart guy. Weak division with a team with a lot of young talent. Find a QB and can quickly win the division. Good start.
He’s 71, I doubt he wants to develop another QB, I’m sure he wants someone who can step in immediately and play. My guess would be that if he ends up in Atlanta they bring in Garropolo and maybe a rookie too. Atlanta’s QBs suck.
If BB still wanted to be in NE he would, I think he was ready for something different and likely knew exactly what team he’d want to coach. But NE went downhill because of poor drafting the last several years, including Mac Jones, who I said a million times was nothing special, but was gaslighted by Mick and Lifer that he was the best QB in the draft and elite.
Maybe he can convince someone to come out of retirement…
Would love that move.
all you nerds out there who know how to look stuff up…
any way someone can look up and tell me what our qb pressure rate was last year?
i feel like it was fairly low, am i wrong?
I think I heard one time that Kirk is the most pressured of all time if that is what you are asking.
no, i’m legit curious to what our defensive pressure rate was in comparison to the rest of the league…
the hunter talk below just got me thinking that maybe he isn’t worth the massive payday he will demand
Yeah, a snarky comment was easier than looking up what you asked. I got a ninja report I’m supposed to be working on.
nah
I remember a stat showing our interior defensive line pressure rate was last in the league by a wide margin…like 8.8 percent of drop backs…the highest was the rams somewhere in the low 30s….
Again that was interior dline only…
I also remember things being said that he is more than that to the defense. That he will also do what’s asked of him in run situations and not play out of position and greedy. That was in the past though.
Yeah I remember posting that
here you go lazyface
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-nfl-teams-pressure-the-qb-the-most-this-season
i appreciate you doing what i easily could have done but was super lazy…
so my theory in my head is that hunter isn’t worth the huge payday since he didn’t bolster a line that created a lot of pressure. he, himself, created pressure, sacks, tfl, fumbles, but i don’t know if any of those ultimately maked or breaked a game….
but my thinking is flawed as i see dallas is right next to us in poor defensive pressure and they have one of the best/most dynamic defensive playmakers in the NFL who would be worth every penny of a payday. So…my thinking is flawed
Maybe QB “pressure” is a bit of a flawed stat. There’s pressure and then there’s pressure. If a QB is pressured but still completes a long pass down field does it matter?
It doesn’t matter, that’s why sacks matter much more imo. With a sack you know definitively the defender effected the play in a negative way. With all these new “analytics” it doesn’t tell you if the defender actually impacted the play to the detriment of the offense, like you said, if a DE rushes up the field and the QB has to move a bit they technically got a “pressure”, but what difference does it make if they still complete the pass for a first down or something. On the flip side, a pressure where the defender forces an incomplete pass or an intentional grounding penalty actually matters so its not a completely useless stat but unless the end result of the play is taken into account it doesn’t mean nearly as much.
Good idea – tie it into results.
Good point.
I have no idea, I didn’t even look at it, just googled it and copy/paste the first thing that came up, it could be completely the wrong information for all I know.
This is an interesting song. It’s like if George Thorogood got a little bit thrashy-like, maybe?
This is just rockin awesome! Good find!
LOL, seems like what every Cowboy fan said when they heard McCarthy will be back
Oh – big time tears in Big D – McCarthy back, DAK’s 60 Mil cap hit next year, and the big Packer loss. And there’s the brilliant DanQuinn. Ran with 2LB.s for just TWO plays all game and the Packers ran it down there throats.
Lot’s of crying.
I really do not know what Dallas should do (other than continue to suck for my enjoyment)
Dak seems to be a big issue, but they are committing to him and expecting different results.
Reminds me of another team
It’s not Tuesday
Sorry!
PS: “D, you bitch!”
I honestly don’t know why they hired McCarthy in the first place. He was basically Jason Garett 2.0.
But that’s exactly the kind of coach Jerry wants – he’s the real coach, rest are puppets.
McCarthy hires better assistants though.
i don’t think they would have many options for head coaches if they fired Mccarthy. who would want to have to deal with Jerry Jones? can you imagine BB dealing with that? NOPE
BB would go there, he allegedly has a very good relationship with Jerruh
Not sure- BB is Parcells guy and Bill and Jerry had their problems. Don’t know if Jerry wants a real coach.
My brother is a Cowboys fan and his biggest gripe is with Jerry Jones. He says they won’t win again until he out as owner.
We hit For Your Eyes Only in the Bond On series…
Lynn-Holly Johnson was pretty cute in that movie.
One of the cheesiest Roger Moore outings imo.
Johnson came back nicely from her crash in Ice Castles!
Tough crowd this morning about Hunter.
I sometimes get upset as it seems he sort of takes breaks out there. But when he wants to bring it, he can.
Not wanting to cut my nose off to spite my face, and given he’s the best player on our defense, I’m OK with letting him go, but I want some real talent to replace – not just hopeful maybe could be type.
If he leaves I’d sign Wilkins, then figure out the edge from there. Problem is right now the Vikings have only Andre Carter and Patrick Jones under contract next season at that position. They were absolutely horrible filling in for Wonnum after he got injured. I’d imagine they could bring back Wonnum on a modest deal, sign a big name FA like Josh Allen or someone, or draft edge early.
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I’ve been over Hunter for a long time. He hasn’t really moved the needle for the team. He is hurt or pouting over contract issues regularly.
Correct.
Is he worth $20 million? I’d say yes.
But if you sign him, after a year he will complain again.
That’s what he does.
It is time for Hunter to move on to greener pastures where he can maybe help put a different team over the hump.
I completely agree. If the Vikings sign him he will either be hurt or butthurt about his contract by 2025.
Let him walk.
I was at one time as well. He has been healthy the last years now and seemed not to pout last season after they came to agreement on a fair one year deal. He is worth $20 mil a year but if he’s going to be a malcontent I’d move on. However, you’d need a plan to replace that production, when the Vikings defense really went off a cliff was when Wonnum also got hurt, offenses just double or tripled Hunter knowing no one else could get pressure, CBs couldn’t cover that long, then got hurt and it was even worse. I’m kind of ok if they let him go, I’d be ok if they gave him a 2-3 year deal.
Yeah, on some level they need to field a team until they can build things back up. I think the team that hits the next version of relevant will look pretty different. The once-a-decade window, 2027-2029, is still achievable, but they have to start nailing the drafts.
Yeah it’s odd right because he’s clearly an incredible athlete and great player but he just doesn’t bring that excitement level that seems to change a game like JA did or even Everson.
It is hard to believe he has been with the Vikings for almost 10 years.
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