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POSTING THIS AGAIN, JOE MAUER IS A FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER AS HE DAMN well SHOULD BE
He was by far the best catcher of his generation and the best hitting catcher in the history of MLB. Oh, I forgot, he’s also Minnesota bred and born. He’s the best athlete to come out of Minnesota in the state’s history. I remember watching this game live and being moved emotionally at this moment. Image how amazing the moment was for Matt Belisle to throw the last pitch caught by a first ballot HOF catcher. Joe Mauer is the best catcher in history.
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new thread?
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
Good morning, SKOL!
No (new) thread for the wicked, so far…
Well, the last two head coach openings are the Seahawks and Commanders. Pundits are saying neither team is expected to hire anyone until next week, after the conference championship games are done. Don’t see Belichick in the mix for either of those teams, truthfully. Might be a TV guy next season.
Maybe when a team needs a both HC and a GM then BB will be in the mix.
I made a comment earlier about hitting iron shots and divots. I was very unclear.
There’s practice and play.. When playing I always take a divot from 6 iron down.
I noted maybe the greatest iron player ever, JN, virtually took no divot with any iron as his swing was so pure.
So practicing hitting irons by just brushing the grass requires a near perfect swing and will improve ball club face contact. Try hitting an 8 iron out of a bunker an d you will get the idea.
Now when you play, and you need to practice this too, you learn to shallow out your swing in front of the ball by proper weight shift. But proper weight shift is wasted without pure ball contact.
Pros already have pure ball contact so their practice routines are different.
Wife made chili today for dinner. Smells fantastic. That woman can cook!
Spoiled.
Yes, but self-aware… grin.
You can contribute to the ‘fart’ app mentioned below
Laughing… soon JR… soon.
Falcons also committing to being mid for the foreseeable future. Nothing like going back to your ex after a shitty break up right? Kirk to ATL steam is gone, big bummer. Oh well, lets reunite him with Washington, all the things that pushed him away are gone, and there’s no place like home. Right Kirk? RIGHT?!
Tom Pelissero is saying the Falcons are zeroing in on Raheem Morris as their next head coach. Guess that whole, Kirk is going to the Falcons to play for Belichick stuff, faded to black.
Man some of this is crazy. Isn’t Morris a DC? If I’m an owner, thinking BB may know about defense than him. But maybe a lot of internal control stuff.
Heard one guy say everyone knows BB can coach, he was interviewing ownership.
Based on that, it may be BB didn’t want the job?
I never saw ATL as a fit for BB. They have a GM who has say over personnel, but is effectively neutered since they also have CEO Rich McKay who the GM reports to and can nix anything the GM does so essentially still is the GM. I never saw BB fitting into that weird structure.
But if BB is going to ‘prepare the meal’ he should be able to ‘buy the groceries’.
My guess is BB wouldn’t be third in the pecking order of buying the groceries. He said he was willing to give up roster control in NE, but that’s with people he knows and trusts in place, doubt he’d do that somewhere with unknown people.
Personally, I’m not sure BB fits any current NFL structure.
Hes going to have to give up GMing if he wants a shot at Shula’s record.
I think if he were willing to just coach and have influence, but not control over personnel around 75% of teams would fire their HC and hire him.
Yeah, BB isn’t going anywhere he doesn’t get a vote in player selection.
Also no one wants his tag along crew with Patricia and whoever the hell else. That whole crew and how they operate are a giant red flag.
I’m critical of Kirk, but there are almost 8 billion people in the world and there are at most 12ish people that are better than him at his job, that’s kinda crazy when you think about it, like there are probably millions of people that can do what I do better then I can.
Same here.
If I tried harder, I may be able to pass a few dozen.
I don’t know, you run this site about better than anyone. Lifer was close, but he couldn’t stand the pressure and went over the hill.
I would say Lifer ‘went around the bend’.
Lifer wound to tight.
This is true.
True and crazier yet the Vikings could potentially improve long term
‘Alexa…. play fart noise….’
Did you ask it about the CIA yet?
I did – and for it to calculate Pi (it stopped itself) It told me it didn’t work for the CIA and my privacy was protected. I’ve read it doing everything from shutting off to laughing. Wasn’t my experience.
Just to be safe, make sure you have a conversation around it about how much you love Sleepy Joe and how sad you are about the boating accident that day you had all your weapons with and everything was lost to the bottom of the lake.
I was gonna just ask it questions about fertilizer and rental trucks and see what happens….
That should be interesting.
Let us know how it works out if you can get uncensored mail out of the holding facility.
I’ll get to wear a green ‘smock’ and some free flip flops….
We used white ‘jump suits’ for our Administrative Segregation.
Ohhhhh DO THAT!!!!!!
Definitely record that one. Maybe ask it what the busiest time at the local government building is too.
Busiest time at the local DNC?
Funny thing here is it’s the local Republican offices that routinely get vandalized/defaced.
OH, that’s true EVERYWHERE…
Except maybe Minneapolis, where the peaceful protesters didn’t know it was a DNC building…
That is because MAGA extremists are violent insurrectionists.
If the Virtuous Left keep them in check then they have to choice but to attack their own.
If Florida you see Biden stickers on cars but no Trump ones.
People learned the hard way they didn’t want to come out of the grocery store and have their tires slit.
One side is indeed peaceful.
Did you see the story about the other Dem running for president and his comments about trump people? Very complimentary.
I did and Jamie Diamond had some solid takes last week.
Because I believe in God, have a rake (no pitch fork) and a gun, I”m an extremest .
Anyone who is not aligned with the left is labeled something… racist, Nazi, terrorist, Fascist, homogenous bastard, White supremacist, etc, etc, etc,
They don’t have logic so they resort to emotions hence name calling.
Yes, indeed… emotionally charged, emotionally driven people, calling others names… that’s why we need to elect them…
You know when Obama made the comment – those with their Bibles, pitchforks and guns – it was actually an intellectual putdown for ‘ordinary people.’ We’re just not as bright and enlightened like the east coast crowd – ignorant.
Yeah, as P.T. Barnum said, “there’s one born every minute”. Democrats that is…
You can post facts overtly factual but left keeps the blinders on and just address their own agenda, even if lessening this country.
Indeed
Like Brandon said.
You have your facts but we prefer the truth.
Since I don’t have Alexa, and won’t because of the spying issues discussed, what kind of fart noise actually happens?
I have an App on my phone that plays fart noises, The Nephews used to love that when they were teen/pre-teen.
It has about a dozen ‘types’ from long to ‘explosive’ to ‘wet’. Wondering if Alexa could offer different types of fart noises?
‘Alexa play long, wet fart noise’.
Oh my, fart noise? Don’t you guys create enuf on own?
The Teacher spends decent coin all off these scented candles and ‘diffusers’ and such.
I ask her if she is trying to ‘tell me something’ and she replies that since Covid she can’t even smell them anymore.
But she keep buying them, ‘female logic’ at its finest.
LOL. Read average between 8-14 a day. Of course what you you eat or drink may effect that. Separate beds ain’t all bad.
Plays one at random and then asks you to ask for a specific type of fart or say ‘play random fart’ – it occasionally tells me to ask for a certain type of fart that is a ‘premium’ fart and will ask me if I want to upgrade (NO) I had no idea people actually PAY for this sort of thing. Disposable income indeed.
Sounds similar to my app, It has a “Premium Fart” button in case you want to pay for more options.
It is called Fart World for anyone who wants to find/download it’.
Are you kidding – an app to listen to farts!
Now, there is a site titled “never trust a fart” and you can see pictures of people (and their pants) that did.
I gave a grandson a gag birthday card that played fart noises. And it only turned off if you took the battery out. Of course when you tore the card to get to the battery it spewed glitter.
My SIL said his three young boys all loved it.
An excellent Dad Gag IMHO.
Hell just go listen to cows and you can hear the sounds of global warming.
What happens if you ask for a “Shart”?
Sounds like a ‘stinky request’.
LOL
😂
What a world we live in!
The App was free as I recall.
Just something to have fun with dorks errrr nephews.
You should ask Alexa to play the dialogue from Jesse Jane movies and see what she says.
Would the grunts and moans count as ‘dialogue’??
If not it would probably be pretty short.
Yes, they would because they are technically sounds
Its like when watching with closed caption and there are people making sounds that aren’t words and it say “inaudible sound”, I wonder what Alexa would say?
Everyone knows Caleb Williams (USC), Drake Maye (North Carolina), Jayden Daniels (LSU), Michael Penix Jr. (Washington), J.J. McCarthy (Michigan), and Bo Nix (Oregon) are expected to go off the board in Round 1 of the upcoming NFL draft. I haven’t watched much college football this year, as each year I seem less interested in football in general, but college ball is especially waning. I remember watching Andrew Luck and RGIII in college though, and I knew Luck would do well in the NFL, but I honestly never thought Griffin would. So, within this group of players, who looks like a true pro football prospect, and who looks like a great college level football player?
JJ to JJ or bust. Missed out on Harbaugh so take his QB.
Yeah, I wanted the Vikings to bring in Christian Kirk… Kirk to Kirk… TD!
Don’t even have to shorten it. Christian Kirk to Christian Kirk.
I see what you did there…..
Clever… very clever, Bow.
Drake Maye and J.J. McCarthy…but I am NOT an elite college football mind…
By the way, at the risk of sounding like Ben, NO WAY all of those are going off the board in round 1.
Yeah, up to draft night Levis and Hooker were bonafide first rounders last year too. QBs typically get pushed up the draft in reality and have gotten pushed even further up mock drafts in recent years. Shoot, I think there was talk of Teddy going number 1 overall at one point.
Hooker was never a bona fide first rounder, though Levis was projected to go top ten. It looks to me like the Hooker is gonna have to move on to get into any action as Goff is firmly the QB in Detroit.
Yup. And only 29 – he’s probably there for another 4/5 seasons…
Most likely, especially if the win Sunday.
LOL, how did you know!
Correct. NLNVF is wrong to assume such a thing.
The order of my liking on the 3 that could be available for the Vikings are:
JJ McCarthy
Penix
Nix
I was being facetious and poking fun at the pundit predictors, if you must know…
Nix and Penix are expected to be second round picks according to most “experts” for what that’s worth. From what I’ve seen, Maye is the QB I like most. Williams has talent but I seriously question the character of a 22 year old man who paints his nails and cries in his momma’s lap on the sideline when he loses a regular season game, that’s the kind of shit I did when I was 8 years old and lost the 3rd place match at the AAU National Wrestling Tournament (I actually cried while my dad hugged me and told me he was proud of me anyway because he rarely said such things, but I digest). I like McCarthy quite a bit and have seen a lot of his games, he played well in the biggest moments and made plays when it mattered most. Maye gives me a bit of pause as he looked better in 2022 than in 2023 but he still shows elite skills. I don’t really know much about Daniels other than he was a middling QB at Arizona State before transferring to LSU and putting up great numbers for one season. Is he a flash in the pan or another Joe Burrow? Personally I wouldn’t bet a top ten pick on him being the next Burrow but that’s just me.
TL;DR I’d trade up for Maye or take McCarthy at 11.
So do you think Maye and McCarthy are top shelf “franchise QB” material, or just probably the best choices in the draft?
Kinda both. Maye is physically everything you look for in a QB, big, physical, great arm talent, accurate, etc. McCarthy is too outside of size at only a little above 200 lbs. Brady and Harbaugh both said JJ is the best QB in Michigan history, which is pretty high praise, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be great in the NFL. Maye made more mistakes in college but he was also asked to completely carry the offense, whereas JJ was asked more to compliment the offense and make plays when needed. I think both have the potential to be top shelf franchise QBs. McCarthy had way more talent around him than Maye, but he also played better competition. I think both will be good NFL QBs with the potential to be elite, but what separates the two for me is that Maye is 6’4 230 and just as athletic as McCarthy, and McCarthy will need to put on some weight to deal with NFL size defenders but will he remain as athletic? Either way I’d take either but still prefer to have Kirk for next year as well.
Good rundown. We’ll have to see who comes up roses, and who does not. Appreciate your great response.
Damn this QB discussions are exhausting ( QB 1).
A question that doesn’t make sense to me.
I’ve been a fan of sports. now for over 65 years. Talked sports with all kinds of people, all kinds of teams.
But I really can’t recall anything quite like this cousins love/hate.
The love I kind of understand. As a kid I loved Ernie Banks and he could do no wrong. Seems a lot of folks love their team’s players.
Now, the hate. I get frustrated and pissed at some of our guys, but generally kind of ‘love’ them all as they are our guys. Now, when we play Packers, sort of hate Rogers that day – but generally respect him as a player.
But this Cousins hate. Man, the ends people will go to to shit on him – just hard to believe.
Oh, forgot the question – why?
I think on this site is started with the ‘pound on the table/Capital letter/exclamation point crew.
When they got push back they dug in their heels and fought every post and stat that disagreed with them.
I think most of us can see/agree that KC has his strengths and weaknesses but he can’t do it alone. I think he did his part well enough but he does have a slice of the blame pie. How big a slice is the point of the entire argument.
Indeed – the discussions must be framed from the extremes. we all know the world is black and right.
Just like MAGA vs Woke.
Most people are in the middle somewhere, but the ‘extremists’ are the ones making the most noise and framing the arguments.
And that’s the point – “noise” kills thoughtful discussion.
‘noise kills thoughtful discussion’
Only if one allows it to distract from thoughtful analyst. Some may not be able to hear/discern it from the noise but it can still go on.
Since I think I fall somewhere in the middle to I just need to argue one extreme or the other on alternating days? Or maybe just alternating hours? On odd hours I will be a Kirk Lover and on even hours a Hater. That raises another problem though. What time zone do I use? Central because that is where the Vikings are or God’s Country time because that’s where I am?
I will say, whatever time zone, you are normally thoughtful and interesting to ‘argue’ with.
But sometimes we can make things better – not sure covering things up with humor will move the ball much.
For a second there I thought you were referring to me. I should have know-ed better.
Yeah, he said “thoughtful and interesting”….
You were holding a high opinion of yourself :).
I did say ‘I should have know-ed better’
I was just going to correct him when I realized he was referring to Bow.
Since I had the reply window open I figured I would acknowledge my error.
@Because I am adult and smrt like that.@
You are smarter than most because you are married to a teacher…It works that way…you learn through general osmosis.
I feel it is more a ‘mutual leveling’ of intellect.
It is true that I am smarter (low bar) for being with The Teacher , but it is also true that her brains suffer due to my being in the vicinity.
LOL
🫡 General Osmosis…
I have a hard time not being a smart ass and this has been a long week so that is my method of venting. If I say something that seems extreme or hyperbolic, it is usually sarcasm, maybe veiling a bit of truth.
I misstated. You are thoughtful.
Today was pointing extreme stuff gets out there, and humor that masks that, doesn’t do much to alleviate it some.
But, maybe some like it, so there is that.
I am thinking you have two choices.
You can go all ‘Edge’ and spend all your time pointing out how each side is wrong or you can find points that each side make that is valid.
Personally I think the Left are Idealists and the Right are Realist. We need good ideas but we need to make them work in reality.
Like EVs/green power is a good idea, but forcing it on everyone when it is not yet supportable is not realistic.
KDS is as real a thing as TDS is.
Appearantly so and I don’t fully understand why either exist. Maybe more so TDS.
KLS is as real a thing as TLS
Ask me again on Tuesday. And, for the record, I do like Kirk as a person. Seems like a really good guy.
He is a good guy.
But I also believe that most starting QB’s are good guys.
It’s part of the job description.
You’re thoughtful and insightful.
Just list the haters and be done with it.
Am I one?
Don’t do it JRobert…ITS A TRAP!
Of course it is – for those that the shoe fits,know it.
As a well established and labeled “Hater” myself, I don’t hate him. Seems like a good man, good husband, good father and a “good” NFL QB. But his time here is up, and is long over due as a QB of our favorite team the writing is on the wall. I dislike and tire of the discussion as well but the ends people will go to to DEFEND him are more astounding imo. Especially if you truly want the Vikings to get to a super bowl before you die. The fans that are a fan of literal insanity doing the same thing over and over, yeah, Im done with that attitude and mentality, not sure if hate is the wort, loathe? Pick one. You get it.
Defend is the wrong term KFEY. It’s “correct” the false narrative. Cousins needs no “defending”. He’s a great player, and a great person. Who needs to defend that?
His time may be up or it may not be – not my call. But al least until next March, he is a Viking and like all the players I support them.
Now, want to have a discussion why he throws better rolling to his left than right, let’s go. Or why he’s more accurate on play action – fine.
But why does anyone go out of their way to trash him or any other player for that matter.
Everyone wants to win and in fact there have been several thoughtful discussions just this week how to construct the team to do so – and no player got trashed.
and since I’m a hell of a lot closer to dieing than you, I feel more of an urgency than you.
Thats fair.
I tend to agree with this, of course.
I don’t understand either the love or hate and am in the middle so I get shit on from both sides.
There seems to be great anger and general chippiness today….
And Stu wasn’t even around to start it….
I only engage on Tuesdays.
The skins tones are very light. I think that indicates systemic racism.
Adam Schefter saying this morning on ESPN that Bill Belichick may not be the favorite to become the next head coach of the Falcons.
Maybe someone a bit younger?
Really don’t know. Falcons are saying the search is “wide open” but maybe Belichick rubbed the wrong way, wanted more player selection control than they wanted to give up, or whatever. If I was going to hire the lead dog of the team, I’d be looking hard at a guy with proven success.
Someone who dresses better?
Seems to be a lot of questions about BB and the coaching positions.
https://sports.yahoo.com/where-bill-belichick-end-season-004205826.html
Yeah, everyone is a predictor, not a prophet…
Just heard owner wants him. Questions around amount of control, how long will he commit to, etc.
Well, the owner is on the right track in my opinion.
Who in their right mind would hire someone over BB? Only a dumbass, that’s who.
Sometimes you are difficult to read Ben… can you be clearer?
According to Ian Rappaport, “sources” say the Panthers are closing in on a deal to hire Bucs OC Dave Canales as their new head coach. A first-time coordinator, his work in Tampa this year — especially with Baker Mayfield — stood out.
On to Bryce Young.
So getting Mayfield to play at a middling level gets you a HC job?
He was the 9th best passer this year in raw stats and according to the poster above that is “near the top” and “league leading” and is worth $40+ mil a year and is irreplaceable. So…why shouldn’t it get him a HC job?
Mayfield had a 94.6 passer rating which is in the “good” range. Look at Brock Purdy above him though. He had fewer pass attempts, but had more yards, more TD’s, and fewer interceptions.
Once again you fail KFEY. Stay on the porch.
Tell me where I failed. All I said was he was the 9th best passer in 2023. I wasnt comparing him or saying he was better than Purdy. Im just making a point that Mayfield was exactly where Kirks been for an average year as far as stats. And im right, and have the data and screen shots to prove it. You dont. Phony arm chair GM
Kirko does have a 102.1 QBR as a Viking behind mostly garbage O-line. Kirko is a better passer, not as mobile as Mayfield.
Mayfield is mobile because he’s a one read QB. He has to be mobile because once his first read isn’t there, he’s lost.
Don’t want to get between you and KFEY but what i said i believe is factual.
Doesn’t look/read like NLNVF is arguing your point.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you…
Mobile QB’s develop that skill because they aren’t as good at reading defenses, going through progressions, and delivering the ball. Favre was honest about it. He said “People thought I was running QB when I came out. I ran, because I didn’t know what I was doing”.
It is a lot easier to run, than play QB from the pocket.
I agree in large part with you and KC, not coming across clear again i guess.
I know, you and I always discuss things reasonably, and rationally. If we disagree, we disagree. Never personal.
This isnt about QBR. And if it was, I doubt Kwerk was in the top 3 at any point. Which is my point. And which year are you referring to, or is this life time stats? etc.
Read 102.1 is his average as a Purple. I assume correct.
101.2 I think… haven’t looked in a while.
Maybe that was it, just saying admirable considering half the time he ended up on back and never saw the play.
I think that’s salient context. It’s kind of amazing how productive Cousins has been behind shit lines, and a different OC every year. This year, in a second year in an offense, he was leading the league in passing TD’s and on his way to 5,000 yards before he got hurt. Brady had three OC’s in 20 years with the Patriots.
What if the O-line play has been in part because of Kirk? Moving in the pocket, rolling out, setting the proper protection at the line all make the o-line look better. I’m not saying the o-line would be all world with anybody else, but you can’t tell me that he has just been unlucky enough to have the worst o-line ever for 10 years, even with All Pro or at least Pro Bowl level talent like Darrisaw while not at least wondering if maybe that common piece behind the center has at least a little to do with it. Burrow had a much worse o-line his second year in the league and went to the Super Bowl.
I actually can tell you that, and it’s been true except for 2016. Cousins is easy to pass protect for, because the O-line always knows, on every play, where he’ll be. Ask any O-lineman in the league. They prefer a pocket passer, it makes their job a lot easier. Remember, the QB is behind them. They can’t see what he’s doing.
This commentary came to the fore in Washington, when the Redskins drafted Griffin. The pundits all said he would instantly make the line a lot better because of his mobility. He didn’t though, because he was never where he was supposed to be, and the line couldn’t protect him. Some things you read are a myth.
Sure tackles prefer pocket. Prevent inside and push outside. They have no idea what scramblers are doing.
With some “mobile” QBs, I agree the scrambling can be detrimental, especially if they like to escape out the back because that is typically where a tackle tries to push the edge rusher. Through week 5, Cousins was well above average in time to throw though. We already argued how much of that was Kirk and how much is the scheme and I don’t have time to look at previous years, but if I remember when things calm down, maybe I will. The main thing is I don’t think you can just say the o-line sucks and has always sucked and it’s not his fault carte blanche unless you have some analytics to back that up. Especially when other guys have played behind worse o-lines and had more success. I think Kirk is very good at processing what the defense is doing pre-snap which makes the play work when he gets it right 90% or more of the time. When he gets it wrong is when you see the “Beaker” moments.
No QB I have ever seen has played behind worse lines than Cousins and done better Bow… I just haven’t…
At one time Cousins had the second best career pass completion percentage rate in NFL history. Career passing records have a qualifying passes attempted standard, and I don’t know what that is, but I read that behind Drew Brees, Cousins was second at one time. That’s amazing considering the terrible lines he’s played behind. Also, are you going to sit there and tell me the Vikings O-line has been anything but terrible the last decade or so?
Drove for many years at UPS. One of 10 safe driving rules was get the Big Picture. Left, right left, space and visibility. Applies to many things in life i’ve found.
You always fail KFEY… you take one aspect of a rating scale that suits your position and project that as some sort of complete picture. It’s total weak sauce. Production is more than yards. Hits on QB’s are more than sacks. Your data is always incomplete.
Stay on the porch son.
I know, thats why I included TDs in our thread below that you completely ignored because it proved your false narrative as that, false. And instead of being “smart” about it and admitting you’re wrong, you spouted some racist southern shit about porches…oh look, there it is again.
Good, stay on the porch son.
What stats? He’s worse than Kirk who you call “mid”.
Strange – would seem a step back from Reicht.
Feel bad for Bryce Young. Hoping Canales can help him, IF Tepper can stop interfering. That’s a big IF.
I just don’t see it…but I could be wrong, I often am.
I’m not really a Young fan. I just feel bad when kids with potential are drafted into a horrible situation. Have to admit though I really enjoyed watching Stroud this year.
Growing pains Kathy. Lawrence had a rough first year, so did Aikman by the way. It’s not always the first horse out of the gate that wins the race.
Young will probably have to learn a new system next year, which is hard on any QB, but especially a “young” one. I think he might be OK though.
Even the QBs that struggled initially just “looked” like they belonged though and I don’t see it with Young.
That’s where I am at.
Aikman’s first 3 years were rough. His career high in TD passes was 23 (came in his 4th year as a starter) career high in yards that year as well (just under 3500) crazy to think he’s in the HoF with only 165 career TD passes. Those Dallas teams in the early 90’s were incredibly well rounded.
Maybe the best O-line in history, one of the best RB’s in history, one the best TE’s, some of the best WR’s… yeah… Aikman got carried to the Hall on the backs of others. He wasn’t great, he was decent. Defense’s were great too, BTW.
How’d they get so many draft picks to build such a stacked team?
Laughing… one of life’s greatest mysteries Bow…
Those offensive lines were unreal. Newton, Williams, Allen, Stepnoski, Gogan, Tuinei… absolute earth movers. Especially Larry Allen.
You got a great memory… I’d forgotten those names. Good job!
Football was incredibly different in the 80’s and 90’s compared to today, compare his stats to other QBs of that era
I did – not saying he wasn’t deserving, just think the numbers are wild. Aikman a HoFer with 165 – and he’s 80th on the list. He’s totally a HoFer, even with elite offensive lines and talent all around him. That may be the difference. Jameis Winston is only 24 TD passes behind him – theoretically could pass him if he ever gets another shot as a starter. Carson Wentz is only 12 behind him. Wentz and Winston don’t belong in the same breath as Aikman regarding QB play. The year Aikman threw 23 TD’s the leader was Steve Young with 25 – half of what Mahomes put up in his first year as a starter. Crazy numbers.
I think that’s salient, but even compared to his peers he wasn’t especially great. Between 1989 and 2000 (Aikman’s career period) he was 13th in passing yards per game. That’s very middle of the pack. That said he was second in pass completion percentage at 61.5% (Steve Young was the highest at 66.4%) He was 8th in TD production with 165 TD’s, but Favre threw 255 TD’s in the same period. That’s a massive disparity. Aikman also had the 5th most interceptions during his career period. Finally, he had the 11th best passer rating. So during his career, he wasn’t near the “best of the best” or historic. He was just part of a team that won the Super Bowl three times.
Old days, more run first. Often boring, like college. like the passing game but it’s drawing so many flags it can make me turn a game off.
This is true… ref’s are flag happy, and the rules heavily favor the receivers. Playing defense is much harder today than ever before.
Schrodinger’s Cat: The Vikings would have been both better and worse if they had hired Harbaugh.
But the Cat was dead.
*worser
NFL finalists for awards:
League MVP
Ravens Lamar Jackson
49ers Christian McCaffrey
Cowboys Dak Prescott
49ers Brock Purdy
Bills Josh Allen
Offensive Player of the Year
Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill
Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson
Cowboys wide receiver CeeDee Lamb
49ers running back Christian McCaffrey
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott
Defensive Player of the Year
Cowboys cornerback DaRon Bland
Raiders defensive end Maxx Crosby
Browns defensive end Myles Garrett
Cowboys linebacker Micah Parsons
Steelers linebacker T.J. Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year
Lions running back Jahmyr Gibbs
Lions tight end Sam LaPorta
Rams wide receiver Puka Nacua
Falcons running back Bijan Robinson
Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud
Defensive Rookie of the Year
Texans defensive end Will Anderson
Eagles defensive tackle Jalen Carter
Steelers cornerback Joey Porter Jr.
Rams defensive tackle Kobie Turner
Seahawks cornerback Devon Witherspoon
Comeback Player of the Year
Browns quarterback Joe Flacco
Bills safety Damar Hamlin
Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield
Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford
Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa
Coach of the Year
Lions head coach Dan Campbell
Ravens head coach John Harbaugh
Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans
49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan
Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski
Assistant Coach of the Year
Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson
Ravens defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald
Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monken
Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz
Texans offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik
@Full of Vikings I see@
GM of the year isn’t out yet…@that’s our best shot@
NoDak is crazy for Kwesi!
Ha!
Team out there w/o apro bowler. Panthers maybe.
Guess i pull for Ravens here on out. The team i dislike the least.
CHIEFS vs 49ers!!!
Actually I don’t care very much at all…I do dislike the Lions, but that’s about it.
I’m really not a fan of any of them.
It will get down to who I take in my draftkings games.
Cheer against kitties cuz of that cheap shot Joseph taking out TE knees and Gamble sticking up for him.
Chiefs and their fans blooowwwww
I would go Balt and SF.
Rather not have Kitties get a chip before us.
And I am getting tired of the Swifties mob.
Same, I guess.
Just me, but with the Vikes out of the picture I’m pulling for teams who haven’t won it before.
Arizona, Atlanta, Buffalo, Carolina, Cincinnati, Los Angeles Chargers, Minnesota, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, and Tennessee Titans.
Go Loins!
I am just looking forward to three decent football games, and a few funny commercials.
Then it’s on to the draft.
Golf course in Lester Prairie opening up for tee times next week. Surly? Dig the sticks out.
No way.
I will golf outdoors again in April, although I am heading to the golf dome this weekend.
What can you do at the Golf dome?
Driving range?
Go long iron, mid iron, 3 wood, driver. Places are great, you eff up you just say f$%k! Don’t have to chase it.
For me, if I can’t take a divot, the range is useless. Unless you are working on a tee sheet. Irons are mostly used in grass on the fairway.
Maybe the best golfer that ever lived used to practice iron shots taking no divot – claimed you had to swing perfectly to do so. Great practice.
Since I learned to aim for any divot to be in front of the ball I have no issue hitting from a mat. Trying to pick the ball at the center of your downswing is where problems both on a mat and on a course comes from.
That is true and I always take a divot – from 6 iron on down.
But for practice, trying to hit like 8 irons with no divot, will really help to improve ball contact.
Back on the course, adjust ball placement and weight, and take a divot.
I never take a divot, even though I concentrate on swing down and through.
Probably why I kind of suck at golf….
The best drill I found that improved my mid iron play was to get some foot powder, spray a line and then without a ball just take practice swings and try to take a divot without touching the line. Now when I hit an iron shot, I don’t even focus on the ball. I look about half a ball in front of the golf ball. Consistency has been greatly improved and I have only golfed a couple of times a year the last couple of years because of camping and the gremlins at home.
I should try that drill…
what is the purpose of the foot powder??
I mean sure I have smelly feet but how did you know?
You can do the drill in your back yard and the foot powder (like Dr. Scholls spray) won’t stain your grass.
Oh, I see…
Feed them after midnight?
One thing I did wrong for a long time was put the ball farther back in my stance in an attempt to hit down on it, and of course hit the ball first, then the ground. However, I kept striking the ground behind the ball and duffing it a lot. Eventually I realized that the farther back I put the ball, the less I shifted my weight to my front foot and turned into my left side, coming down. Once I moved the ball off my left heel, I started hitting the ball in the center of the face and bottoming out in front of the ball.
Every pro I watch in every tournament takes a divot every single time. It’s where the divot comes from.
If it comes from the behind the ball, it’s a bad shot.
The pro’s divot comes from in front of the ball.
You should watch Jack Nicklaus hit iron shots – just brushes the grass.
Practice hitting iron shots out of bunkers.
Braemar golf dome has track tracers, and you can hit any club and actually watch the ball flight, plus look at the screen to see distance since some clubs will hit the end of the dome. They also have flags set up as targets.
So, yes. It is basically an indoor driving range with an ok putting green as well.
And they sell beer.
My kind of place.
hey everyone, i’m here now so you guys can all start the convos
Monty Python auto rec
Downvote for street cred
Just some cribbage talk, whatever that is.
Heard some folks on TV made me think more about the Harbaugh question. Most of this is also just memory, so maybe off some.
When H was in SF he had a. top 10 defense 4 times and never a top 10 offense.
Remember he inherited a world class LB group (Willis, Navarro, Smith) and it became a fierce defense.
He had Alex Smith, took him to next level and they became a playoff team. Smith got hurt, went to Kap and stayed with him – got to SB.
Defenses got on to Kap’s limitations, lots of injuries to defense (believe willis had to retire) and things went down hill after that.
Thinking about that, and my limited looks at Michigan, seems his style of ball is a little like Zim ball on steroids with probably better QB relationships.
For us, at the time, not sure he would have been. the. right move.
Just a thought.
I rarely watch college ball, all I know is this year Michigan ran the ball a shit ton and had a good defense. Its this an abortion or is this the type of ball Harbaugh was running his whole time at Michigan? Or was it variable year to year based on the player he had available? You cant run a NFL team and roster like a college team imo so, not sure if he would employee the same philosophy. Will be curious what he does in LA.
i can, with 100% confidence tell you that is NOT an abortion
Damn auto correct…know what? Im leaving it. Its better this way.
See?? Damit Freezey you chased another one away….
His teams have played a style of football where you dominate in the trenches, that is his philosophy and when you can identify talent and develop those kind of players its the right move anytime.
Seems like he’s big on physicality and that style of play will always work – especially late in the year and playoffs.
Yep, he wants to kick your ass physically, plain and simple
I hate cheaters – after he talked the scrub refs into giving him a challenge after he used all his timeouts when the 9ers played us in 2012 he was ded to me.
I got an email reminding me it is the weekend of the annual cribbage tournament.
I had forgotten all about it.
Must be memory repression after last year’s argument with an old man. I’ve never been that disrespectful to an old person, but man, that guy was an asshat.
I think even if I learned he won a medal in WWII, I still would have labeled him an asshat. Every game I ever played at that tournament over multiple years counted a 31 with last card as three points: two points for the 31 and one point for last card.
Apparently, it is only two points in that scenario, though. You don’t get a last card point on 31. However, if you hit a 15 with last card, then you get three points. The game gets confusing in that regard.
So, he was right, but instead of just explaining it, he labeled me as a cheater trying to pull a fast one on him. I’m like, “I have enough going on in my life where I don’t need to cheat on my seventh game of cribbage in a tournament where I am already out of the running for making the winner’s bracket…”
In his mind, I did need to cheat, though. I needed to cheat very much…
Oh well, I guess when a person gets to Harrison Smith’s age, they can turn onery.
LOL
So many details in that game are important ie Nops. Especially when the games are tight, 1 pt can be the difference.
Do you play in that tournament that if the dealer gives you the deck to cut you can keep the deck and take the deal/crip that hand?
That is the way I learned it but have met several persons who never heard of it.
I have never heard of that rule either, so no, that tournament doesn’t play that way.
Losing a game in the first eight hands is not the end of the world. It is how much you lose by that counts.
Basically, everyone comes to the tournament and plays eight hands. The organizer then takes the eight players with the highest point total and puts them in a winner’s bracket to play for the prize…which is a cribbage board and 50 chamber of commerce dollars.
So, in eight games you have the potential to score 968 points. Usually about 50 people are playing, so there is very little margin for error. If you end up with a total score of even 943, you aren’t making the winner’s bracket. That means one skunk, and you are out of the money, so there is a lot of luck involved. You basically have to have good luck for eight straight hands, which is difficult.
It really comes down to luck because most everyone there is at a similar skill level. One year I played against a 12-year-old kid. It was his first time at the tournament. Dude skunked me first game, and there was nothing I could do about it. He kept drawing double runs. I kept getting hands like, 2, 4, 6, 8, Q…
‘I kept getting hands like, 2, 4, 6, 8, Q…’
That would suck,
I played that way with my serious friends, yes.
I will pull that trick on a casual player, but then say no worries.
You just couldn’t leave poor Harry out it, could you?
I couldn’t let you down!
I remember that dust up from last year….
If he is there again this year, I will make a point of playing him again. I can let bygones be bygones.
If you do play him again you should rub your hands together frequently in a cheater-esque fashion and say in a Burnsian tone ‘Exxxxxcellent…’
I am a casual cribbage player and only recently discovered (by reading the actual rules) that I have been pegging incorrectly (juvenile jokes to follow) my whole life.
Myself, and the people I generally play with, would peg for double runs while playing out. So a sequence of 8 7 7 6, we would score 8 for the person who played the 6…
Of course the real score in that situation is 0. Oh, and we also took 3 for 31 and last…
NoDak DumDum
Yeah, it is quite common to come across scoring quirks once one goes outside their common opponents. I *think* I have the scoring rules down at this point, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
Of the hundred hands I have played in that tournament, every opponent and myself always took three for 31 and last. I will continue to play it that way. I’m not going to take time to try to explain the official rule and pull out a rule book every time it comes up in that tournament.
But if I play that old guy again, I will play it his way. That’s fair.
From what I can tell that is a very common misunderstanding….
‘Thats fair’.
Yup as long as everyone is playing by the same rules its all good.
Of course that’s fair since that’s the real way to play.
I don’t understand that double run pegging rule. That is bizarre. 15 for 2 and last card for additional 1 is a rule that typically gets decided when it happens, and then consistently applied during the games.
There rule for double run pegging is there is none. No double run pegging…ever.
It’s not your fault that people don’t know the rules.
I hope you get the 29 hand this weekend!
The first year I played in that tournament, there was like 75 people there, and there were three perfect hands. Whenever one happened, everyone cheered. They took a picture. Since then, a perfect hand hasn’t happened.
Lots of memories that first year. The crowd is basically all age groups: kids, teenagers, middle-aged, senior citizens. This one guy had a super deep baritone voice. Whenever he spoke, you could hear him over the entire room.
At one point in the tournament, all of a sudden, you hear his deep voice boom out, “I can’t believe I lost by FORTY @#&%ING POINTS!” The whole room goes dead silent. Grandmothers are scowling. Kids are googly-eyed…
Another time, a guy dropped 60+ points on me over two hands. Just buried me. Double-double runs everywhere, hit me with a four-of-a-kind pegger, etc.
Once Jeb Bush even stuck his head in the room because he was in the area for the Iowa caucuses. It’s the place to be!
I have played a lot of crib and only once have I ever had (or someone else I am playing) a chance at a 29 hand.
That is quite the statistical aberration having three in a series of games played by 75 people. Were the cards bent?
I almost got the perfect hand in in the first week I started playing.
I had three fives and a Jack in hand, and the last five came up in the flop, but it didn’t nob my Jack because it wasn’t the same suit.
That was more than ten years ago, and I haven’t come close since.
I am thinking that is about the best hand I have ever had as well.
Never got 29, although my opponent has once.
I was surprised who they put on this list for the Vikings, not because it isn’t necessarily accurate, I just assumed it’d be someone else
One 2024 free agent each NFL team can’t afford to lose
Linky doesn’t work…who is the one free agent? Osborn?
Weird, try now
It works.
refreash
Think Osborn walks. Had a so so year.
Hunter
The Joe Mauer stuff up top makes me tear up a bit.
Porn Star Jesse Jane dead at 43 – suspected overdose.
Sad.
I don’t remember her…what were some of her more memorable films?
I shouldn’t make light…lots of lost and hurting people in the porn industry…
Backdoor Sluts 9
I missed that one…1 through 6 were pretty good though.
God that South Park episode is a classic
That “profession” kills many, I have read, especially women who choose this line of “work”.
Promiscuity sounds fun, but there is a price mentally and physically. Mostly, it is sold as empowering these days, though.
Exactly. It’s promoted as empowering, many find out much too late that there indeed is a price to pay, in more than one way.
Yeah, I mean I guess I can see how it can be empowering when one’s only talent is showing her butthole on onlyfans, like “hey I’m finally good at something!”
It’s like anything else in the world. It can be empowering, but it can also tear you down. So can the business world. The issue is the people that get attracted to that line of work many times started doing it because they had no other options. That’s not empowering. That’s someone trying to make a quick buck. It’s like any tool it’s how you use it. A hammer can kill a person or help build a house. But obviously we see more mental instability going the porn industry route than members of Mensa.
They often have no other real talent other than getting raw dogged in the butt by 10 guys in a row.
There is only 1 entertainment industry.
List is pretty endless – lots of drug overdoses and suicides. Mental health issues abound in that line of work.
And likely abused as a kid.
Most people in the industry were abused as kids.
Most sounds like a lot, but I think it is most.
MT do not google
Ha!
Thank you.
I want to know which news feeds Mjolnir subscribes too, I checked both Fox and CNN and they didn’t have the story.
TMZ
Yup
Read the article, says she died with her boyfriend who also overdosed…guessing accidental overdoses rather than intentional, but who knows….sad.
Yup. Moore, Oklahoma. About 40 minutes south of where I got the Goose.
What area is that?, like central, south, east?
Central OK
I read them all – but this was on TMZ about a 1/2 hour ago
We all know this, but this is a good article by Seifert on what losers we all are….
How Minnesota fans have suffered through 32 years of heartbreak (msn.com)
LOL.
32 years? I’ve got 54 years of heartbreak.
32 years since the last professional (big 4) sports team won or played in a championship….thats a full 10 years longer than the next market…
We are losers.
*prolific losers….
Gotch ya.
Minnesota Sports Fans.
Its weird, it doesn’t feel like its been 32 years since I watched Jack Morris dominate Atlanta for 10 innings to win arguably the best WS game 7 in history.
Not arguable. Was the best game in WS history. And the best series.
Puck . J Morris, wasn’t he 37? Pitches 10 SO innings game 7. Now they throw 5 innings and 60 pitches.
36 for me…..
Harbaugh question is tough. Since this is a w/l crowd:
Last year KOC won 13 – not sure H could have.
This year won 7 with injuries and backup QB’s – could Harbaugh done this, probably.
So at this point 1 and 1.
Agree….
I am not sure Harbaugh is an upgrade over KOC…but we will see.
Harby probably brings in Fangio as DC last year and thus the Vikings probably win a playoff game.
Last year we lucked into 13 wins regardless of who was coaching. Literally the most statistically lucky team in NFL history. Its an aberration and should be tossed out imo as its too far from the norm. Negative point differential says it all that that was a .500 team getting lucky bounces.
Was jus thinking at a high level – would take too much time to break things down game buy game (I’m lazy).
But still I’d rather have a coach that has luck on his side than not.
The Vikings were the unluckiest team in the league in 2023 with KOC. The point is that it averages out over time.
Since most guys here are w/l folks I just presented numbers a long those lines. Luck was brought in subsequently and i merely responded. Talking about ‘luck or not’ really gets cloudy.
Luck is an uncontrollable variable. And id rather have a team that doesn’t need luck to win and is just flat our stronger, meaner, faster, smarter than the average NFL opponent.
Always take talent for sure.
Anyone else have that old familiar feeling of Viking regret of passed up opportunity? We might regret not hiring Jimmy Boy
I wanted Harbaugh, but I was able to generate an open mind for Kwesi and KOC once they were hired because, you never know, they might be wunderkinds.
But my open mind is shrinking as time goes on.
This reflects my feelings as well. If they actually do what they were brought in for, target and get THEIR QB and get it right, ill be more on board. If they dont, well, they should be gone 24-36 months from now.
I am on the fence with Kwesi, if this draft flops my pitchfork won’t be out yet but it will be sitting by the door lol.
I guess KOC and Kwesi are kind of tied at hip. But KOC might be a good coach and Kwesi not so good GM.
I have a lower opinion of KAM than I do of KOC.
Same
I am willing to give them both 4-5 years to get it together, but from what I’ve seen of KOC as a leader and HC is positive, though I want him to let someone else call plays.
What I’ve seen from KAM as a drafter is negative, free agent signings have been around neutral, some hits some misses, what I’ve seen from him as a trader had been good.
I like KOC as a leader as well – I also wish someone else was calling plays. KAM was outclassed and embarrassed his first draft. 2nd wasn’t much better (Addison was a good pick, jury still out on Blackmon and others, Pace a good FA find) KAM has to nail this draft – I have my doubts.
It thought the last draft was decent, not great. Part of it is the 2nd rounder was essentially Hock, so I kinda count that as well. Day 3 picks take a while to evaluate, but part of the draft was also signing Pace who is very good. His first draft though was awful, that trade with Detroit, I just can’t even. The trade with the Packers was actually a great one from the trade value chart. But also passing on the next Harrison Smith who also made all pro his 2nd year to trade back and take a guy who is last on a depth chart with 6 safeties is just inexcusable.
Agreed. I wanted them to stay put and take Hamilton (actually wanted them to move up and take Jordan Davis, thought he might land in our lap and then Philly took him) Jaquelin Roy and Jay Ward were non-factors (aside from Ward’s untimely penalties giving the opposing team points) Hoping we get something out of them next year.
Yeah, Ward made some good plays on ST but also the bonehead penalties. Roy started playing a lot at the end of the year when injuries started piling up, though I don’t recall him making any impact, hopefully he does next year so I can use this gif
Lol
Same.
Every draft that KAM doesn’t get a dominant player, it’s one step closer to the abyss.
I have that feeling in my gut, but I also still have hope the wunderkinds can make it happen.
Agreed. We should have hired Harbaugh. Now we can watch while he leads the Chargers to glory (or pretty close).
So this must be so troubling for the fans who think Kirk wants to retire a Viking for less money.
Other so called analysts have reported just the opposite. Wonder if King has actually talked to Cousins.
Doubt King has talked to Cousins and Cousins wouldn’t tell him that anyway, but its likely King talked to his agent.
There’s probably just two people that know what is going to happen and sure as hell neither is going public with their thoughts. ‘know’ is probably the wrong word – more like just two who know starting positions.
One guy claims to know and professes it every day in a public forum.
Agents put this information out there to reporters all the time, its a negotiation ploy
Correct.
Agents need to get their clients side of the story out.
Well, we’ll find out which analysts were right after the fact.
My bet is Cousins takes more money offered from another team.
As he should.
My bet Cousins will not follow your advise, he will turn down better offer to stay here, less money, provided it is fairly reasonable
He won’t have any offers until after he decides whether or not to accept Kwesi’s offers.
that is correct.
Correct.
He won’t have any offers but he’ll sure as shit know what the offers will be, I can guarantee you right now his agent knows exactly which teams are interested and the amount of gtd money they’re willing to give.
More deals are made on the golf course than the board room.
Yep, and that’s true in the NFL, even though agents and teams aren’t allowed to discuss players on other rosters they definitely do.
Once March 13th passes without a deal for Cousins, I don’t see Cousins a Viking. $28.5 million becomes an automatic cap hit. I don’t think KAM takes that cap charge, then signs Kirk for another $35 million per year guaranteed.
JRobert and DE with opposite calls…
Good for you guys for taking a stance.
One of you will be able to say those cherished words “I told you so”
I’m no GM or CAP expert so have no idea about those things. But I do talk to one of the principles in the negotiation so I have ideas based on that.
I would say “insider information” is much better information than the “pull it out of your ass” information that most of us have here..
The only other valid source that any of us have is Bowbunch claims to know Cousins uncle.
Other than that we are all just making shit up.
Personally, I would love Cousins to come back at a reasonable, discounted price.
Deals require a meeting of minds from two. I only know one, little idea what other is thinking.
Uncle may be right about GM – I really have no idea about him.
Makes the decision less tough…
Yep.
No matter what the Vikings do, they will have to eat a year’s salary for Kirk after he is gone. Just do it and move on since it hasn’t worked for 6 years now.
I forgot about eating a year of salary… damnit.
Well, actually, the Vikings passing offense has been amongst the best in the league every year Cousins has been here, so it HAS worked. You just fail to really accept it.
False and again we have numbers for this unlike your Kirk colored glasses. 2018: 10th (4298) 2019: 16th (3603) 2020: 8th (4265) 2021: 9th (4265) 2022: 4th (4547) (outlier year) for an average of 9.4. These are just kwerks bulk passing yard stats. In a league of 32 teams and QBs. Being right at 10 is good, far from great. Not amongst the best, outside of the best, amongst the good. If you go off off passing SCORING offense, these numbers get worse, not better. If you want to talk about failing to accept reality, please check your numbers.
So I think (again) you don’t present the total picture in context. In terms of passing production, you need to consider the whole enchilada. Cousins not only produced yards, but also TD’s, high completion percentages, and high passer ratings.
Nice try son. Stay on the porch.
Please share these numbers then Mr Pentagon, I would think you have a good computer to pull those up. Show me where he was top 3 total in any season of his professional career. I await your results. Oh wait, you cant. And even so the only stat that matters is scoring. And passing scoring offense is all that matters but just for the hell of it, lets to total offensive TDs scored per game. Again, I have the real numbers, you have smoke coming from your ass. 2022: 8th, 2021: 12th, 2020: 9th, 2019: 7th (we had a running game), 2018: 19th. Offense was no where near top 3 or even top 5 in any scoring category including passing. Again, I back up my talk. You cant. I think your dementia is kicking in, you don’t even have a porch. (Also that sounds a little racist you might not want to use that phrase in public, could end poorly.
Damn. I really liked the Pentagon. Has a neat mini mall and walking around the angled corridors is pretty cool – but easy to get lost. Tons of great pictures.
Laughing, you have serious issues son. stay on the porch.
As do you, serious “Im the smartest person in the room” vibes on just about every comment and you dont back it up. Then when asked to back it up you cant so you get upset and throw out “Porch” talk. We both know you’re not laughing. Stay on the golf course, son.
I just may be the smartest one in the room though son…
Don’t go there …… too many know it alls already.
Doesnt involve you Roberto
Well, it is a blog site with lots of commentators…if you want to fight with NLNV in private get his email or text number and go at it.
But on this site, anything you say is subject to anyone commenting.
Pffff.
I have yet to learn the length and breadth of my ignorance.
Not if you work for the Government
Also smart people dont proclaim to be smart. Your head is getting bigger and bigger in here by the day.
28.d mil dead cap if not on roster, correct? Won’t mind signing him but drafting one also. Still our best chance i’d say but he’ll prob bail.
Personally, if I were the GM, I would probably move on, and simply admit to the fans that Cousins would be too much of a fiscal burden. Yes, the team is going to be far less competitive without Cousins. Absolutely. But the Vikings can become one of the healthiest teams fiscally in 2025, by letting the big contract guys walk this coming year.
Yes, after 2024. I’m just in the tear it up rebuild mode. Against my nature. Besides, we won’t have a kirko’s Tuesday to talk about.
Anyone who thinks Kirk Cousins is the “bad” part of this team is bonkers.
Meant not in rebuild mode. My typing sucks.
Kinda figured that… I’m usually typing here and doing other things at the same time, so I understand.
Cousins already offered a deal to retire a Viking for less money. KAM rejected it. Try and keep up with reality. Posting what Peter King thinks is just blather. He is just like all the other sports pundits who push out stuff they know nothing about.
Really?
What were the specifics of that deal?
There arent any, it was BS coming from Kirks agent and NLNVF bought it hook line and sinker because 8 is never wrong
Mostly yes.
Add to the fact that Kirk is still talking about retiring a Viking and claiming money isn’t the issue as of about two weeks ago.
You once again are completely misrepresenting the truth here DE. Everyone has read what Cousins said.
And anyone with a brain isn’t taking it at face value.
Laughing… how would you know?
Krammer added that Cousins was willing to take a discount despite an inflated quarterback market that saw New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones garner a deal worth over $40 million a year.
“I had also heard that he wasn’t asking for $40 [million],” Krammer added. “He wasn’t asking for that much, in terms of what Daniel Jones got, who is obviously much younger but much less accomplished. Cousins’ camp was kind of surprised I guess, from what I heard, at the Vikings not jumping or at least accepting what they were asking for.”
That was in the offseason.
Why does Kirk keep talking about retiring a Viking and money isn’t the issue in 2024?
He hasn’t said any such thing. He SAID it isn’t as much about the dollars, as it is the structure.
This is completely plain language you misrepresent over, and over, and over.
It has to be with ‘intent.’
Do I like beer – yes.
Do i drink beer every night – no.
Do I like steak, do I eat steak every night – no.
Do I want to retire a Viking – yes.
Will I be able to – maybe, maybe not.
Yes. Cousins wanted to remain a Redskin and Bruce Allen, (like KAM) refused to give him a no trade clause and the guaranteed money that would ensure Cousins stayed there. Some folks refuse to accept plain language.
Harbaugh to the Chargers is pretty cool. Herbert just got 42 percent more dreamy.
If Harbaugh came to the Vikings, we would now be in year two of our ascendency to relevancy (his first season would have been used to start turning the ocean liner around). The upcoming season would look bright.
But, hey…the current state of things is almost as good!
Yep.
Watch Harbaugh coach the Chargers to a super bowl within two years.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they get close next year, they’ve got a lot of talent.
Same.
First year coaches will have some obstacles that make it hard to make a superb owl run in year 1. But it wouldn’t shock me.
Yep, you know it is happening.
They have Herbert so even if they do it does not mean the Vikings would have been anywhere close.
I agree.
But everywhere Harbaugh has coached, he made them much better.
Not sure how long it would have taken, but I think Harbaugh would have had the Vikings at least in the playoffs in back to back years.
Harbaugh pretty much wins immediately everywhere, well except Stanford, that one took a while but he took over a 1-11 team that was a dumpster fire.
PFF says Risner never gave up a snap in 485 pass blocking attempts. He’s gone.
Sack.
Yeah, he’s always been very good at pass blocking, not so great run blocking allegedly.
Happy Thorsday!
GM
FTP
SKOL
If the Vikings had hired Harbaugh, the team would have finally won a super bowl.
Now we get to watch Herbert and the Chargers win one before the Vikings even lose in another NFCCG
Yup, this is how I see this play out. Chargers will get really good with Harbaugh while Queasy effs up draft after draft and KOC buys moar insence sticks for the locker room until they eventually get fired. And the Wilfs keep on laughing all the way to the bank.
Depends on how much influence Harby would have had on the drafts. If Kwesi still did what he did the first draft I don’t think there would have been a significant difference, maybe the Vikings win the playoff game vs Giants, but with the roster as is I don’t think the Vikings would have made any deep playoff runs. I have read that during Harby’s interview his plan for the QB position did not involve Cousins, I wonder if that played into him not getting hired. I also read that the DEI director was not on board with Harby for whatever reason and he wasn’t hired because the Wilfs wanted a consensus from leadership. Who knows what is true though.
Good morning, SKOL! FTP & FT*
I has a sad that the Chargers hired Harbaugh, IMHO the Vikes effed up that situation, and now we are stuck with Kumbaya Kev. Well, nothing can be done about that now.
Also, FIRST!
SKOL and agree!
You shouldn’t, I guarantee you step one of his plan was getting rid of 8 ASAP.
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
and I agree.