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Jefferson wants to know Vikings QB plan before signing extension
Vikings shouldn’t be scared of losing Kirk Cousins, even if they have to turn to bridge quarterback
From Will Ragatz: It’s sounding more and more like the Vikings are bracing for life without Kirk Cousins.
Hunter is expected to have a very strong free agent market
NFL NEWS
The Cowboys officially hired Mike Zimmer Monday
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Regarding the Jayden Daniels chatter that ESPN started pushing last week, it’s a pretty well established fact that the Vikings would have to spend a king’s ransom on a trade that would land Daniels. Pundits are saying “nobody would care too much if Daniels morphs into a franchise quarterback.”
Pretty big “if” there though. Arians is fond of saying “no risk it, no biscuit”, but a miss puts the organization in a hole for many years to come.
I do think KAM will pull the trigger on a big trade. The question is, will he hit a homerun, or strike out?
Yeah. I’m not a fan of giving up the farm to move up.
I would rather draft one of the top 3 at #11 if they fall, or trade back into round #1 and take McCarthy, Nix or Penix. Might not even need to trade back into round#1 to get them.
Taking McCarthy at #11 might be a bit high, but I wouldn’t be too upset if that happens.
Concur. Reaching for a franchise QB doesn’t sit well with me. Getting someone early who looks the part, and fits what the OC is looking for is more to my liking.
Agreed, don’t mortgage the farm for a reach at QB.
Tiger is playing in the Genesis Invitational this week at Riviera Country Club, in Pacific Palisades, California. He tees off at 12:25 EST tomorrow.
It will be interesting to see if he can make the cut, and then actually finish the tournament if he does. I don’t think he plays four rounds.
Yes, it will be interesting to see if Tiger can compete in way at all. I hold to the opinion that Tiger will use this event as a sounding board for 2024. If he makes the cut, and finishes in the top 15, that is a good start.
I do think he can achieve those marks.
I think KAM is a Cine like bust.
Inclined to agree at this point…
Well if that’s the case, and I think you’re right, believe there’s a few nice lakes around here with plenty of bass. Good way to spend a Sunday afternoon.
Queasy needs to nail the upcoming draft, otherwise…
29 days until 13 March…
35 days till the Spring Equinox
Thinking about all these trades, letting players go and everything. leaves me with this thought – thinking about the hot seat stuff.
If I was KAM’s agent, even his father. I’d tell him – ‘Hedge your bets.”
Well, KAM has to follow his own path. Whether we agree with him, or not, is of no consequence. He will either take the team to great heights, maintain respectability, or fall into the abyss.
I guess. But a first time GM with little experience and not exactly a good batting average, doesn’t need to start from the 3 meter board.
If he is a numbers guy, you play the odds. And the lower your batting average, the less risk you take on.
But, guess we’ll just have to see.
I think he did that over his first two years. Now he has to shit or get off the pot.
If you’re going to get off the pot, you damn well better make sure you have some pants on.
Laughing
Taking The Teacher to Vegas for Valentines Day.
Hope all the SB drama is over.
See you guys on Friday, maybe Thursday late.
Have fun, and let the good times “roll”.
Have fun. I’m actually going back to Lexington Kt for another wedding this weekend. Who would have. thought, never been to KT, and now twice to Lexington in six months.
So, Hockenson tore the ACL and MCL in his right knee on Dec. 24. In conjunction with the team’s medical staff, he delayed surgery for 36 days while the MCL healed. Hock had his ACL repaired on Jan. 29. Multiple sources reported there have been no complications from the surgery. Experts have said the typical recovery from the type of injury he suffered is nine months.
Hockenson’s schedule could either be accelerated or slowed based on the timing of various milestones. But the most relevant question is not whether he will be ready for Week 1, but instead, whether he will be placed on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list — making him ineligible to play until Week 5 at the earliest.
He will be ready when he is ready.
Oliver will probably pick up the TE#1 while he is out.
We may draft or pick another TE in FA fill the blocking role.
Someone mentioned Bradburry had been a TE in HS.
He maybe be able to block well enough when we upgrade the Center position.
Regarding JJ’s contract discussion, it wasn’t JJ that said anything about his contract being tied to whether Cousins stays or goes. Tom Pelissero said last weekend, “This is also complicated because Justin Jefferson is also in line for a monster contract extension. He thinks highly of Cousins and is gonna want answers at the quarterback position before he signs on for the long haul.”
While it makes sense that Jefferson would want to catch balls from Cousins, he’s never drawn a line in the sand to say Cousins’ return is a personal requirement.
As usual a pundit makes a statement, and the player is roundly criticized for something he never said.
Not shocked if he’s traded to a highly ranked 2024 team.
Concur
Team that thinks they are on the cusp of a SB.Hate to lose JJ but i know the reality of it.
I think KAM goes all in on the rebuild this year. I could be wrong of course, but the stars are lining up. Time to get straight fiscally, move on from older players with big contracts, and bring in a plethora of new players.
‘move on from older players with big contracts’
Like JJ?
JJ is about to break the bank. I can see KAM trading him for picks.
If KAM trades JJ his seat will immediately become hot.
He better not make any mistakes after that.
KAM thinks he’s smarter than everyone else…
By playing Chess while everyone is playing Football?
How can that go wrong??
Laughing. You’re a quick study SoCal…
Quick maybe but not Deep.
“Hot seat” – if he lets our good players go, trades JJ, and the team he fields looks like shit, he won’t believe how fast and hot that seat gets.
en llamas…
Agree – trading a sure thing for a couple cheap maybes…….doesn’t sound like a smart decision.
Yeah, if KC wants 45 mil and JJ 32 then what?
Exactly
But what if Kirk will take 35 and JJ is in the 30-32 range.
Think KC wants easy 45. JJ prob wants more than Adams or Hill.
JJ wants to be the highest paid WR in the league. “It’s not about the money, but what it represents.”
He wants to be compensated like the elite player he is.
As he should.
Yep… get what you can get, when you can get it.
What he wants and what he’ll accept could be quite different…..
He’s a smart kid and should understand that the team needs some $$ to build around him.
A respectable offer might do.
Cousins signed for $28M a year when he came here, and got an extension at $35M a year, two years ago.
Now you want him to sign for $30M? Not gonna happen.
Not 30,but 35. Older, wants to stay here but for sure at that price needs two years guaranteed.
Dunno if Cousins is good with $35M when Daniel Jones is making $40M. Cousins was having an MVP year when his Achilles failed. He is a legit, top tier QB.
The two year guarantee is the issue.
Howdy Stranger Part 2.
As I stated way down in the thread, JJ has a big decision to make about his contact.
Having more information/knowledge before he makes it is not a bad thing.
People can spin it anyway they want, and often, do to fit their personal narrative.
Howdy SoCal. Your point is well taken, and I agree. I believe a trade might happen here, because JJ is going to be looking for a ton of money, mostly guaranteed, and a no trade clause. Sound familiar?
NLV – glad to hear from you but have you been drinking. Let Kirk walk, let Hunter walk, trade JJ. We going to play in the Big Ten next year.
Interesting strategy.
Dump our best players that have so that we can be a better team.
So I’m told from reading here. Dump our three best (or maybe most important) players, get all these picks, save money, and our wizard GM is going to put it all back together and SB here we come.
Now, to be fair, I guess that could happen. But what do yoiu think?
I think the cap is doing what it was meant to do. Limit the number of “big money players” a team can have under contract.
I guess – not my thing. But this whole theory is based on the belief that our scouting staff, and GM, can use all these picks and money to draft well and pick good FA’s.
Now, just thinking about Cine and Davenport, have some doubts.
Amen Brother!!
I actually mean this in a kind way but I believe some of the folks “dislike” of Cousins kind of drives their thinking
No shit…
The theory is based on the fact that KAM is a finance major, not a football talent evaluator.
Problem is the talent dropoff after those 3 players is rather steep. We give them away and hope the returned picks play as good or better??????
I’m just reading tea leaves JR…
Tyreek Hill only had $52M of his contract fully guaranteed and I don’t see any mention of NTC in the report.
Don’t know why JJ would expect QB treatment.
Because Kirk is his best friend, and has been talking to him… I’d say.
No doubt true about the writer spinning this.
JJ for sure wants his money, deserves it. but he’s also a world class superior athlete – best at what he does. It’s not hard to realize he still wants to be recognized as the best at what he does. I’m not saying this has to be Cousins, but I’m sure he at minimum wants someone who can regularly get the ball to him..
He wants to be in the Hall of Fame. Gonna need a guy who can deliver the ball for that to happen. Note how Devante Adams is nowhere near as effective without Rodgers throwing him the ball.
Was going to reference Adams. He prob knows.
This is where I think JJ is smarter.
Adams is still the best outside the numbers route runner in the league. So pair him with QB’s that have weaker arms that don’t throw to the outside well (like Jimmy G) and a complete waste of talent.
Pulled Pork
• 4# Pork butt
• 2T Chili powder
• ½T Paprika
• 1T Cumin
• 1t Garlic powder
• 1/2t Cayenne
• 2t Salt
• 2t Pepper
• 2T Brown sugar (or Coconut sugar if you have it)
This is the seasoning I used on the pork butt. It was excellent!
And I have no idea why this is blue.
OK, so text stopped being blue when I posted. Igeevup.
Blue text?
Crock Pot?
Smoker?
Oven slow cooked?
The Valentine’s Day suckers I bought are too hard. A proper sucker should be at a level of hardness that makes it biteable the moment you put it in your mouth. You might have to work for it a little bit at that stage, but crunching it is possible.
The true enjoyment of a sucker is resisting biting it for as long as possible.
These suckers are rock hard and cannot be chomped until they are like 90 percent sucked, so whenever you give into temptation before that point, you are not rewarded. Your teeth get hurt.
This is Sucker 101. I looked up the sucker maker. It is Charms. They should know better.
Sounds like you are sucking on a piece of plastic.
He obviously has an ‘Oral Fixation’.
No kink shaming though.
Unless being shamed is your kink of course.
I was in horrid Hawaii last week for a conference. Thinking of long flights over the Pacific, farting on a plane is a crime without consequence as no one can pin down the guilty dog.
I also got to experience a brief earthquake for the first time since I experienced one in all places West Germany in the late 70’s. That fueled my tsunami/volcanic eruption fears. Hard not to notice that you are sitting on the shore of a volcanic island with Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa looming on high.
Howdy Stranger.
Hello again!
I started watching episodes of “Farmer wants a wife” and one of the farmers was a potato and barley producer. Could see mountains in the distance and figured he was in your soon to be home state. Turns out he was in Colorado. Potatoes from Colorado?
NE North Dakota, Up near Grafton (where my ex was from) is a big potato region. I remember jogging while in leave and having to dodge taters laying in the gutter that fell of trucks.
They claim that they grow ‘seed potatoes’ and send them to Idaho.
Yup, I went to med school at UND and know the region well. Good people there.
FILs house was like a mile from the Red River.
They claimed that they could canoe all the way up to the Whiteshell area East of Winnipeg from there.
I’ve been musing at the statistical improbability that one of 16 teams in the NFC has not appeared in the Super Bowl in 47 years…I mean that is just a sad state of affairs. SF has been in 8. I visited their SB Nation site and was amused to see some complaints that it could be years until they get back to the SB, and “this thirty year old is giving up on seeing another win in his lifetime”.
I would almost believe some conspiracy like the tax thing Wrenage mentions but CA gotta be worse for taxes.
You’d think the players would be smarter and places like Florida would have a decided advantage but the players don’t care about the actual cash on the big deals. They are more concerned with being “the highest paid” than actually making the most. Every once in awhile a player will say it was part of their decision but not as often as I would expect.
what they ‘say’ and what they ‘think’ might be different.
Remember in golf, Tiger went to Florida when he was younger and all was fine. Phil said he was leaving CA because of taxes and was destroyed by the media.
Silly season and fart talk? Oh my….
It’s either that or 12 total comments.
What would you prefer?
12,JJ wants tto get paid but i understand why he’d want know qb plans.
JJ should just worry about getting the most cash.
He can’t control other players, and would be dumb to try and finagle more or less money based on the QB. QB gets hurt and he is SOL.
JJ still had solid numbers without Kirko.
Think i’m less enthused this off season as ever. Hope i’m wrong.
You will get excited when McCarthy steps onto the stage at the draft and holds up a Vikings jersey.
Prob, hope we don’t have to move up. Need the picks, and the KAM factor…
I would like to see that happen.
If the Vikings draft a solid QB I will be enthused.
I wouldn’t expect double digit wins, but I didn’t really expect that anyway with Kirko.
The sheer fact we would finally be able to be big players in free agency and not have to worry about that cap space will be really exciting. Remember when we had a young affordable kick ass defense? I member.
They had a young kick ass defense because they had drafted well on that side of the ball
The Horror Continues….Yes, those are cherry tomatoes.
Toss the carrots in the trash, add a little ham and you have a pretty good looking salad there.
Salad is the food that my food eats.
Its weird, I can’t stand carrots raw but cooked like in a pot roast or soup or pretty much anything they are great.
Same.
I’m ok with shredded raw carrots on a salad, but I love cooked carrots.
I wonder if I threw those at the Ravens hanging around and make a lot of noice outside, would it would scare them away or bring in more for a free lunch.
Stupid Bird Brains.
If they like salad, it would likely bring more in. Ravens are actually pretty intelligent birds. The problem with that intelligence would then be if they became accustomed to the food and you stopped. They would likely come up with a plan and break in and attack you or swarm and carry you away when you walked outside.
Yes Very Smart Birds.
I have a fake owl and hawk outside to keep them away. Have to keep moving them around the yard so that the Ravens don’t get used to them.
I even have a ‘Dog-goyle’ that we got for Halloween one year. Put that out there as it has wings to see if that will help as a deterrent. The Ravens were actually strafing it to see how it would react.
At the Prison one yard had some feral cats around. One hunted gophers, it would leave the head/offal laying out. The Ravens got used to it and they would strafe the cat to get it to hunt more gofers so they could get the leftovers.
I talked to some biologists years ago that were trying to study the patterns of ravens and magpies and see if they were going after sage grouse leks or nesting grounds. They tried catching them in numerous different methods over multiple months at the city dump and I think in like 6 months they might have managed to catch 1.
There was a guy who trained ravens to bring him any money they find lying on the ground.
I read another story where a girl befriended ravens, and they started hassling any strangers that approached her.
Neat birds.
…
Now I want a raven army…
Had a big old pine tree that was leaning and damaging the block wall, had to be cut down.
It had a big Ravens nest in it. Arborist (required in Calif) said they often find watches and such in those. We just found that they nest was reinforced with a bunch of wire hangers. No idea where they got those.
Ravens can remember human faces and hold a grudge, just an FYI.
Years ago I had a dog get ahold of a raven on the ground, I believe it was injured. It let out a shrill sound, next thing I know the sky is full of ravens, and I had to put my dog in his kennel for his protection.
Yeah, they can be mean and they have a pack mentality
All this talk of ravens reminds me of a Superb owl commercial…
Go get a BigMac to go with it – will makeup for the tomatoes.
Seems like a solid plan.
I own that movie! Probably can’t play it anymore, think it’s on VHS. Best scene is when they are all trying to get seats around a table in a room that’s too small.
George Clooney’s finest hour…
LOL!
LOL, you’re wife is awesome
So, do you not like any tomatoes or just cherry tomatoes?
Just the cherry tomatoes…if she would cut up regular tomatoes I would be pleased.
What if she cut up cherry tomatoes and told you they were regular?
I hope she just cuts up the cherry tomatoes
Two gophers who’ll get drafted this year, I would be ok if either or both ended up Vikings. Ford should have had a better season last year, but the QB sucked. Nubin is expected to be an early/mid 2nd round pick, he’s like AWjr but over 4 inches taller, last year he had 53 tackles, 5 interceptions and 4 pass breakups and was named an all american. Over his Gophers career, he snagged a program-record 13 interceptions.
https://x.com/GophersKaneRob/status/1757448547002188260?s=20
I have seen them both in my Mocks.
I have taken Ford in the 6th or 7th a time or two since may need help with Hocks injury.
Yeah, and Mundt is kinda not really good, I’d rather draft someone and let him walk
Off season schedule.
Note that franchise tags can start on Feb 20th.
February 20 – March 5
Franchise Tag Period
February 29 – March 3
NFL Combine
March 11
Free Agency “Legal Tampering”
March 13
Free Agency Begins
April 15
Offseason Workout Program
April 25-27
NFL Draft
May 2
5th-Year Option Deadline
May 3-6 & May 10-13
Rookie Minicamp
Just to Stir The Pot.
What would the Franchise Tag on a QB be?
#snicker
More than Mullens is worth!
ahhh
Only $36.367,000 projected for 2024.
Did we even figure out if Kirks would be 1st time, or 3rd since he was tagged 2x in Wash?
He can’t be tagged at this point.
He isn’t under contract.
He is under contract until March 13th I believe.
He can’t be tagged.
‘after the deadline for applying the franchise tag’
Well they would naturally apply any tag before not ‘after the deadline’ anyway.
I get that ‘Legal does not equal logical’.
I understand that there is some fine print does not permit it, but not being a lawyer/accountant I will take your word on the matter.
I don’t know the legalities of it.
Because the contract has void years, the contract has to expire before he is technically a FA. Since it doesn’t expire until March 13th, the franchise tag window has passed. Something like that.
That discussion is from PFT.
I wasn’t thinking about the void years. Stupid contract. Stupid Kirk’s agent. Stupid Rick. Stupid Kwesi. At least they lose 28 mill in cap space this year for Kirk to play on a different team.
Hopefully……
Kirk can’t be tagged because he is not under contract.
But Edge is right. Mullens isn’t worth it.
That’s why I said what I said lol
That’s the point of the tag. He is under contract until March. The rub is that he was tagged in Washington and there may be a no tag clause in his contract similar to Hunter.
I was wrong about the specifics of “not being under contract”.
I don’t think it’s a “no tag” clause.
It’s just the timing of when the contract voids.
Kirko’s HoF agent wrote things in a way that prohibits the Franchise tag this year for him
That said, it would be a decent price if they could do that.
This way, Kirko gets to shop around for buyers of his service, and he prices himself out of the Vikings.
@have fun in Atlanta, Kirk@
So if the agent is responsible for all of Kirko’s deals, why hasn’t other NFL players with the same agent gotten HofF deals?
Or, why aren’t other NFL players flocking to him to get these deals?
Personally, I think Kirk is driving most of these contracts.
He is a very shrewd dude. Which is why I don’t totally buy the “nice guy” public routine.
Any idea what denomination of church Kirk attends? Just curious and testing a theory I have.
His foundation is Discovery Church of Orlando I believe.
His dad is the pastor there.
That kills that theory.
The Skoloholics page is always so informative.
The number 1 thing I have learned today is that farting is a way to establish male dominance. This thing I did not know.
The worst fart I ever — I don’t want to say “smelled” as “experienced” is a better word — was delivered by a girl in tenth-grade chemistry class.
I don’t know what was going on inside her, but she opened a hole in reality with that stench that let HP Lovecraft’s elder gods into the world…
My loudest fart was while working in Prison evening shift.
The housing unit had a concrete ‘exercise yard’ big enough to play handball on.
It was summer and the inmates were all locked up so they door to the yard was open. I didn’t want to fart in the office with co-workers so I walked down the hall and out into the yard and let a massive one loose. The fart actually echoed.
I walked back inside, down the hallway, back into the office and my co-workers asked me what that sound had been.
Epic!!
That was very thoughtful of you.
I didn’t stay around to ‘enjoy the fragrance’ so I can’t say it was ‘the stinkiest’, or the ‘most foul’ or any other title.
But it does rank as loudest.
Tango and Cash, 1989.
Heard of it, doubt I ever watched it.
Anyone know if it is/was any good?
It was pretty much what you’d expect
So if I watch it with low expectations it would be bad but if I had high expectations it would be pretty good?
Kind of a Schroders Cat situation?
I never really liked Tango and Cash. This is not to say, it is bad. It is fine for that type of film. It just didn’t seem to have that organic feel of a truly great action/buddy movie. It felt like it was made by feeding numbers into an Apple IIe, and a script was spit out in Excel.
It is kind of in the mold of Clint Eastwood’s The Rookie a year later. It just doesn’t ring true.
I get what you are saying, more a formula for a movie being followed than any actual feels.
Not being sophisticated at all I might have enjoy it and been oblivious to the nuances.
Even Lethal Weapon 2 kind of sucks to my mind, although some people really like it. LW2 also came out during that time frame. Seemed action movies lost it a bit there.
I recently rewatched LW2 after not seeing it for awhile and hated it. All the yelling at each other, which is supposed to be funny, got grating. I hated what they did with the Riggs character. He was so hyper the whole movie, just way over the top in his reaction to everything.
I like my Martin Riggs moody, reckless and borderline psychotic!
I like LW1 but the rest were kind of meh for me.
I liked the blond girl, too bad she didn’t make it
The South African?
She was a Cutie.
Yeah, her, she kinda reminds me of the sixt girl
I can see that.
Kinset was prettier IMHO but the sixt girl has a great smile.
I agree, nice smile
Thank you for that.
My favorite is her and her friend dancing, it just makes me smile.
I often leave up like a screen saver when it gets posted.
FYI had to explain it to The Teacher so she didn’t have any issues with it.
Patsy Kinset was a thing for about two minutes in the early 90s.
My favorite movie of hers is a made for cable HBO werewolf flick: Full Eclipse.
That defines a quickie right?
I expected better with the combo of Sly and Kurt Russel, its fine for that era action film, yet I still found it disappointing for this reason.
Its a prototypical late 80s/early 90s action flick, meh, nothing special but if you’re in the mood for action you won’t be terribly disappointed.
That’s awesome. The loudest fart I’ve encountered is a friend who was a bigger guy and male ditz, very Chris Farley type character. I took chorus in high school because I have no artistic skills outside of the guitar and can’t draw. But in the middle of the entire group singing he tried to sneak one out during the loudest part of the song and it rumbled over the entire choir, I fell over laughing.
He ‘snuck one out’ and it was louder than ‘the entire choir’?
Sounds fishy to me.
Probably smells worse than fishy.
I literally when to type some joke about it smelling fishy… you beat me to it. It did stink, good lord it stunk.
The worst smelling one I’d ever experienced was at The Bulldog Bar in lowertown St Paul. The place is pretty busy and I’m playing darts with my lady friend and some friends and all of a sudden I am overwhelmed by what smelled to me as some sort of mixture of a diarrhea poop, tar, gasoline, mud, and a septic tank that was then set on fire. The intensity and sheer strength of the smell was by far the most I’ve ever experience and it was everywhere, like I couldn’t get away from it. It literally cleared half the bar on that side for at least 10 minutes. I didn’t hear who did it, but I later found out, it was my lady friend at that time.
So she ‘had the vapors’?
I think there is some science behind this that I recall reading. Women emanations can have a greater sulfur content due to their body chemistry or something to that effect. They can quantifiably smell worse.
This sounds like the exact same scenario I experienced in chemistry class. The air literally seemed to thicken, it was so bad.
Sulfur isn’t so bad. Mercaptans and the other gases are bad but thanks to occupational hazards from a couple of different jobs I’ve had I have no ability to smell sulfur or the chemicals of decomposition.
Nice! You are like a superhero impervious to various scents!
I am mostly ‘impervious’ to my own sent.
I usually consider that a blessing.
The Teacher can’t smell much due to CoVid so she has that going for her.
Yeah, exactly, like the air thickened, anyway, I must be sick because I married the farting lady friend.
No kink shaming.
Umm I guess kink shaming yourself maybe ok.
If your kink is getting shamed of course.
So, you are saying women stink.
They can in some circumstances, kind of like men, kinds, pets, farm animals, etc.
Been out of circulation for a long time. But learning about the dating prowness of today’s North American male is interesting.
I remember this movie, from when I was in high school I watched it because it had Carmen Elektra in it. Its kinda what you’re referencing, called Mating Habits Of The Earthbound Human, maybe Wren has reviewed it before.
WOW – really a nice looker for a HS kid. Worth a few watches I’m sure.
Nice hair.
Carmen Electra was smoking back then.
If you arent into the Timberwolves after this season you never will be, greatest season in Franchise History, lets at least take that to the semi finals or something. Not an NBA fan in general but I am a MN fan and and bandwagoning hard on Tpuppies.
Yep me too. Hoping they make the Finals, they have the talent, do they have the Maturity?
Hoping so. They seem to get lazy/ frustrated on defense in their losses (all of them close to be fair) but I think thats where the maturity comes in as you said. Cant have dumb fouls late in the 4th when you are up, and you let teams back in it. Play off will be short lived if that keeps up. But, then there’s games like the last two and you are like…damn…they just breezed past a very good team.
Yup, guess I will never be haha.
No worries. Thats me and the Wild. I cant watch Hockey or get into it that much. Id love to go to a game, I enjoy live sports in general but yeah.
I watch the Vikings and use to be HUGE into MMA, now kind of fringe on that as well.
It would be cool if there was a game I could watch without paying for yet another streaming service.
I will watch the playoff collapse this year, since that should be on a channel I have.
Sail the high seas with me Surly! Free streams work
Simply due to geography I hear or read about the twolves, rarely intentionally but I pay a little more attention these days, saw a stat the other day that they are on a pace almost as high as the 03/04 season where they lost to the Lakers in the WCF.
They’ve beaten every other good team in the league at least once this season. They can hang around. Remains to be seen if they can last a whole series.
I have confidence they will win a series, maybe two, but if they run into Denver that confidence ends
I’m more concerned with OKC.
Denver seems to be sleepwalking a bit this season, they still have the best player in the NBA and a ton of playoff experience and are champions. OKC hasn’t made the playoffs in like 5 years.
03/04 season where they
lost to the Lakerswere cheated by the cheating ref in the WCF.That no-call at the end of the game that would have sent it to game seven was bad.
Yeah, then they do something like shit the bed at home in their next game against a team under .500
They do tend to do that.
Last year that was their MO for sure. Its been much less of an issue this season but, has still happened.
Yeah, the couple times I’ve seen them they played their worst agains inferior teams
Then dont watch!! Its your fault.
When they lose to a single digit win team at home you just shake your head.
Holy shit… a MN team can break good records too?
Don’t forget, the Vikes had the biggest comeback in the history of the NFL,
So that’s 2…….
Hang the banner!
Nah, some sort of a commemorative plaque outside of US Bank stadium, maybe over in the Vikings Ship.
Kirk will probably put it on his “super bowl” shelf.
Gonna be all he has.
They will choke.
Minnesota Sports 101
As far as Kirk goes though, he is on the way to the 49ers to win multiple SBs….
I wish him luck.
Who are the 49ers going to cut to fit in his $40 million dollar demands?
The 49ers are going to lose a few players as it is this offseason.
As is every team.
About 3 million over the cap as of right now.
Which means to have Kirk they have to clear about $32 million just to fit him in.
After Purdy takes them to the super bowl and wasn’t terrible, it’s hard to imagine Shannon messing with the roster that much.
I just looked and was surprised. Spotrac is showing them a little over 500 k below the cap for 2024 and the only major expiring contracts are Chase and Gregory. They’ll likely need to move some players and restructure just to get their rookies signed, but they should be in better shape than I thought.
They are not in terrible shape at all.
Given how the roster has performed.
Why fix something that isn’t broke?
Did they win the Super Bowl????
I have been told that is the only metric that matters…
No they did not win the Super Bowl…have to make changes.
I never said that.
I said if you aren’t consistently winning in the playoffs, something is not working.
I never said that you said that….
But I will say, if the 49ers can figure out how to sign Kirk without losing key pieces they would be foolish not to do so.
I don’t think Purdy performed very well in the big game…Lot’s of WTF misses.
So you would bench Purdy, sign Kirk that forces you to make serious changes to the roster, and risk pissing off the locker room?
Yes…wouldn’t have to be many serious changes….and you did see the “IF” clause in my post, right?
I have spent the last 15 minutes reading all of the Kirk related comments and then upvoting or downvoting……
God I love Tuesdays.
Translation….
You love Kirk.
Same! I look forward to my Tuesday ups and down
Willing to bet my Superbowl party was more wild than yours.
Facts. I made a plate of nachos prior to kick off, had two beers (Surly Darkness, so they were pretty good) and my wife and I watched the game. No party, no crowd.
I was going to meet up and watch some of the game with a girl iv been talking to (she’s hell bent on staying just friends but I think im wearing her down). And the place we were going to meet up at was closed which was wild so we got invited to a mutual friend group party, hung out there, shots for every 49ers TD, beer wine. She left before midnight, I stayed, and things got weird after that lol.
Just tell me you didn’t have sex with strange men or animals
Nope! Just got oddly hit on by another one of the girls that was there who was telling me I shouldnt be talking to the girl I brought to the party, then tried to sell me on talking to her sister “because we would be good for each other”. Then like 4 of us ended up crashing on this big couch in one of the other rooms and that same girl that was acting all weird tries to make out with me, then she realized she wasnt at home, and I wasnt her boy friend and she got up and left lmao. The morning after stories were interesting. I guess she told her bf and he was “okay with it?” I dont think I would be but, everyone in else the group knows him and said that im fine so…
Sounds like you will soon be invited into a BBG three-some…
I mean all of the women there ranged from passable to very attractive so…as long as im the only dude or were taking turns *shrugs*.
JK, my anxiety would be through the roof If I attempted to do that, I can not be responsible for pleasuring 3 women, good chances all 3 will be disappointed lol
Re-read NoDak’s comment. You won’t have to please multiple women, you get help pleasing 1.
Good catch! Nope! Im out lol
Did anybody piss in the living room? Or was it pooping in the backyard? I don’t remember all you guys’ weird stories.
To urine…I puked in the sink…no poop either.
Did someone shit in the bathtub? If not it definitely wasn’t.
Why would you do that Ben? I guess there’s worse places to shit….
It wasn’t me, it was actually my youngest.
Sure it was…
That’s what it was. I knew you had a story that involved somebody going to the bathroom in the wrong place.
Probably was.
We smoked a pork butt for pulled pork sammies, had a huge pan of cheesy hashbrowns, plus a Jambalaya pot with shrimp, lobster, crawdads and all the associated veggies.
Mostly played card games leading up to the game (7s, and Rummy Royal), also picked out the 2 trees to string the 150-foot zipline my kid got for Christmas between (have to wait for steady above-32 temps to put it up).
That sounds delicious. We had wings, snacks and what I was informed was called American sushi.
Is that tortillas with cream cheese wrapped around a pickle?
No thats more like a pinwheel kinda thing. This was essentially a ground beef log with cheese in the middle, wrapped in bacon and baked BBQ sauce added after. It was A LOT of food and I could only eat two slices before I was full
Some call that a fatty, if it’s smoked.
No argument here. Just wife, kids and me with a normal dinner and watched the game. We’ve had bigger at home parties for a Vikings regular season game with Mullens playing QB.
Buddy and I threw wild parties in our apartment during the 2017 season. Good times, I miss them.
Mom showed me an article the other day correlating state income taxes vs. the success of NFL teams. The article never actually showed any data. It just said it is one of the reasons the Vikings will continue to flounder.
Fortunately, with the power of Google, I see there is data out there on this subject if one cares to explore it. It’s kind of interesting and does lean toward lower-tax states winning and making playoffs slightly more.
Regardless, I think the Vikings have bigger issues at the team building level than taxes that they could try to solve first.
Kirk.
He will have 2-3 options, at most. the SF idea is a joke imo. SF did not lose because of Purdy, and Purdy ran a couple times for first downs that would have been ez sacks if Kirk was back there.
I am not sure where he will end up, and he is not worth the “market value” to this team and never has been. I understand that the going price is what it is.
For what he has been paid, he should have the ability to carry a team to victory.
Vikings as a team/organization have failed to provide the perfect O Line and system for Kirk to thrive (other than stats that are not wins) and Kirk does not have the ability to carry a sub par team anywhere.
This team is sub par.
He can go away.
Now
Do you think it will be 2 options, or 2 options?
No QB has ever carried a sub par team to any Championship…
It is Tuesday. SKOL
I read that JJ wants input/clarification on the QB the Vikings roll with next year prior to signing any extension. If that is true, he can GTFO. He is not the owner of the team, he is an employee. He may be the best WR, and the best draw for ticket sales, but they still sold out all the home game where he was injured.
Trade him, let Kirko test the free market, say bye to Hunter, and accumulate draft picks that will turn out to be busts.
That’s interesting – let Kirk, JJ and Hunter go and accumulate all the draft picks and money for FA’s. Then WHO is going to make the right decisions to do with all this accumulated treasure?
That is on the GM, and if he fails, fire him just like Rick.
That is the job of the GM, build a roster that can compete for a championship.
Maybe kwesi is just told to sell out the stadium.
Well, lets look at this as player evaluations for our top guys.
Kirk – very good.
JJ – outstanding
Hunter – very good.
KOC – good
KAM – average ( that’s kind at this point).
So with that lineup, you want to put the future of the team in the hands of the weakest player. Frankly, I’m not sure he’s hit enough singles and doubles yet to take that big of a swing yet. Sometimes it’s best to grow into your position.
Let’s look at this as a fan with your player evaluations….
No consistent playoff appearances with said “very good” talent.
If the “talent” can’t get you into the playoffs and winning playoff games, can they be considered good talent?
Here’s a ‘fan’ perspective and I am going to ‘eat some words’ I said during the season – a win is a win.
Then I watched our 3-0 win over Raiders, just after our 12-10 loss to Bears. To me as a fan, that was pure dog shit football and hardly watchable.
Sure.
My broader point is that if the talent you have isn’t getting you to the playoffs and can’t win playoff games, then something needs to change and the current talent isn’t working.
That’s not even a fan’s perspective. That should be the GM’s perspective.
Winning playoff games is my measuring stick.
Sure too – but two points. My first was maybe our GM isn’t quite ready for this big a jump yet – i.e.,dump Kirk, JJ, and Hunter.
Second – winning playoff games is indeed the goal. But just maybe Kirk, JJ and Hunter aren’t the problem as to why we are not winning those games. Maybe there are a few other problems screwing things up – drafting, coaching, other players not playing well, for example.
GM has to be ready.
Make the moves needed to field a competitive team that can contend.
The players you mention, (Kirk, JJ and Hunter) are NOT able to carry this team to the desired goal of a championship. No reason to keep throwing away money for 1 playoff win in 6 years.
The entire roster needs to be built up.
Rebuild is here, today.
‘GM has to be ready’ – readiness has to be earned.
6 years of doing the same thing over and over…..
I’d say that’s enough evidence to ditch the plan.
Hmmm… changed OC’s every year, got rid of the Coach and GM, changed the DC 3 times in 3 years…
They haven’t been doing the same thing over and over at all.
I can get behind this, and if Kwesi is told to sell seats, than maybe the owners need to go as well.
Then man the owners hired. If you dont trust him, thats too damn bad and on the owners. You roll with who you have.
Not the way the real world works. Any new executive with limited experience, and not the best batting record so far, is going to be on a bit of a ‘training wheels’ period. As Surley presented – getting rid of Kirk, JJ and Hunter – is way, way beyond this.
What are you talking about? Thats literally how it works lol. “Who do you trust to make those moves / draft?” The fucking GM, Scouting department and head coach. If you as a fan dont trust them, thats too damn bad lol. If you as an owner no longer trust who you hired to make those moves, then you fire them. This has always been Kirk Stans take is ” I dont trust us to draft well or pick the right QB” Again…welp…you cant change whose making those decisions so im not sure what your point is. Its not about whose making the picks its where are you in time when those picks are presented to you. You take them, regardless of GM or HC.
Must you make every discussion about ‘Kirk Stans.”
I am talking “real world” the way it is done. And football is a very big time business.
You say ‘if as an owner you don’t trust who you hired.’ Real world – been of both sides of this – depends on experience and record hereto fore. Nobody in the real world gets carte blanc. Now, getting rid of your 6 year starting QB, best WR in football, is a big deal. Hunter, maybe less so, but he’s the best defensive player.
Trust is earned, it doesn’t just come with position.
Because I cant think of a better name for the group of people that profoundly dont want us to move on at QB. Its a label not an insult. And I agree with you in that part as far as firing and hiring but you are ignoring my point about drafting and “trusting” someone to make a decision. The owners HAVE to trust these guys, thats why they hired them, if they dont, then this whole organization is off the rails more than we think and we have bigger problems than a .500 record having 6 year starting QB.
Im not pounding the table to get rid of all 3 of those players, I agree that would be stupid. Keep two. And you know which two.
well, then we agree – gettin g rid of all three would be just too much – as Surley said to start this.
And clearly you do have to count on the people you put in jobs, but how much you trust, without oversight, is earned.
Well they are entering year 3 of their 4 year contracts..KOC and KAM that is. So…is that enough time to earn? I think this is the make or break season for KAM at least, KOC may have more leeway.
Whether it’s enough time or not, it appears we are sort of out of time – doesn’t matter if he’s ready or not. It’s on him to make the right calls and the results will play out on the field.
Exactly. Keep the cream, ditch the lard. Find more cream.
If that’s true… I honestly say good for him. He has been all class the whole way, you can’t tell me if you were the best at your job but your job depended on another employee who no longer had a contract with the company and your contract was coming up as well… you’d be an idiot to not say, hey I need to know what your plan is so I can make the best plan for me.
Football v. Business. Does the first employee’s performance, in your example get posted in the papers and all the media outlets so everyone can see and evaluate how well he is doing – not to mention in comparison to other of similar positions in the dame business?
JJ has never shown anything to be a diva. I think we get so worried because of shit like dealing with Diggs. If this is true, I say good for JJ. That’s all.
Fir sure, JJ is no Diggs. But rightly so, he wants to get paid and still be a ‘star” on the field.
There were more than 1,000 C/O positions at the Prison.
We could bid and change jobs frequently if we wanted.
Doing so without knowing who else you would be working for and around would be beyond dumb.
I don’t blame JJ nor do I think it is beyond the pale.
There haven’t been any reports he wants input on anything, but reports are he would like to know what their plan is at QB before signing an extension, which isn’t unreasonable if he is going to commit to playing for them long term, I’d want to know what the plan is to replace the leader of the team if I were in his position, it doesn’t mean the FO has to do so though. It seems to me he is more concerned about winning than money, otherwise he’d have just signed an extension already if the reports are true.
I agree, he has a right to know who his teammate will be that tries to deliver the ball to him.
However, if he is not willing to negotiate and sign a contract until that is done, he can go away imo.
The team should let him know what the intend or want to do, but Kirko’s HoF agent is going to try and hold the team hostage again.
So, if JJ is not willing to roll with Mullens/Rookie/Hall next year if that is all the team can afford, trade him.
Paying JJ will dictate how much $ they have for a QB.
Yeah I mean if he asked what their plan is and KAM said, “we’re trading #1 for Justin Fields” or “we’re going to pay Baker Mayfield $40 mil” I’m sure he would probably prefer being traded. Most likely though, they will tell him the plan is fluid based on what Kirk decided and the draft.
10st!
Sure is a lot of Kirk talk.
Was reading something yesterday. Chiefs with Reid and Mahomes are noted for offense. But their defense shut down the Dolphins, Bills, Ravens, and Niners in the playoffs – believe all of these teams are like top 5 or 6 offenses in the league.
The Chiefs seem to not only be well coached, but are really good at drafting.
Like Flores, but that DC in KC is pretty darn good.
And Mahomes took that 10 year deal with plenty of room for the Chiefs to move shit around and have plenty of money to keep the team stocked.
Maybe a small point – they started 8 rookies on defense last year and over the course of the year they got better, and even better this year. Not disputing the Mahomes items, talent and contract if you will, but Chiefs draft and develop talent well too.
Contracts and money get the buzz, but drafting the right players and good coaching are equally big deals too.
I’m heading out to a business conference for the next few days. I’m riding with the CEO and CFO. They are late picking me up. Maybe that’s a hint.
Establish dominance right when you get in the car. Someway. Somehow.
Start with demeaning them for poor planning and their inability to tell time.
Yep, rip a fart immediately to establish you are the alpha male
Perfect.
I was going to same the same thing.
Take your shoes and socks off. Put your feet on the dash and trap the socks in the window to air-out. Aggressively plant your elbow deep into the other side of the armrest, bumping the driver – then look at him, cock your sunglasses down and say ‘This gonna be a problem?!?’ Eat pistachios along the way using your shoe to crack them on the dash.
I just updated the thread to include links and media selection. Its damn near impossible to find any Vikings news that isn’t about Kirk.
This is NOTHING to brace for. It’s not going to matter much in terms of wins and losses IMO. Unless you think that going 9-8 or 10-7 and losing in the first round is the goal.
I’m optimistically looking ahead to a new direction.
I still say Kirk will only have 2 or 3 options, tops.
And I hope some team is dumb enough to pay him the $45 million number.
But I think that is just PR, for when he signs for less, he can say he took less and shows it’s “not about the money”.
Same, I mean… we might all eat our words if we only have 4 wins next year but maybe then we can actually get the QBOF lol.
It’s always good to suffer for a while then when you come out of it almost anything looks good.
Remember after the super lows of Ponder years, we’d bitch and moan and then go… well… at least it wasn’t a few years ago, remember that shit show? lol
I don’t think “eating our words” is accurate.
I’m not claiming that the Vikings will win 9 or 10 games.
I expect the team to take a step back.
The point is if you go 4-13, 7-10 or 10-7 with “great QB stats” it means nothing to me. It’s about playoff wins, not QB stats.
But we’ll be frustrated.
Earth to Edge….the Vikings have been frustrating since 1978. Even with “QB stats”
I wont be. Im aware of the process. Only rubes get frustrated because they have these dumb expectations that a roster thats far from a SB can compete for one. Its lala land. When you live in reality, you take the lumps and laugh. Like I did this season.
This is why im not worried about 2024 or who we have under center. If we suck…great..one year of better draft position. Its not tanking. Its taking your lumps, there’s a difference. If thats what it takes to get us back into the tops in available cap space so we can build an actual roster, so be it.
First teaser promo for the band is dropping today . I learned how to use Capcut lol. Program all the kids are using to make TikTok vids.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vf8vUcaJ3Z5QYtP_wHExNG47Z99vW8UJ/view?usp=drive_link
My goal vibe for today…
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!