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Well, dang it, the Vikings lost their first game yesterday. The Vikings came up just short of a victory, as the Lions won it on a field goal with 15 seconds remaining for a 31-29 victory. We expected it to be a battle, and we weren’t disappointed.
I’d have loved to have seen our offense generate a first down to put the game away once they went up 29-28, and I also would have loved to have seen the defense put a final stop together instead of allowing them to march down for the go-ahead FG. I hate “prevent defense”, I hate it with a passion, and that’s what the final drive looked like. The team has some things to work on, some things to clean up, but they’re still one of the top teams in the NFL, and it’s still gonna be a fun year.
I think the two best teams in the NFC played today, one of them barely won and the other barely lost. They’ll meet again on my birthday in week 17, the final game of the season. The Vikings could give me a very nice birthday present that day by securing home field advantage throughout the playoffs, because I’m fairly certain that’s what the stakes will be for that game. SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vikings/NFL News and Updates:
Skoloholics posted a post-game wrap-up.
All of your NFL week 7 scores and highlights, courtesy of ESPN.
The team site has all the highlights from yesterday’s game, also a summary and box score, and sift through the media vault for interviews, press conferences, and more.
Media Selection:
It seems like a good day for Coal Chamber. Get out of my row boat, dammit.
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They need to narrow the field goal posts. There are too many long field goals happening. It needs to be more of a challenge.
Some Kickers have gotten impressively good at long field goals. Good that we seem to have one of those.
#nojinx
So now that we finally have a decent kicker you want to make it harder for him?
Great night of bird hunting
Nice.
Nice haul.
Pheasant & wild rice soup for Thursday’s game. Yummy, can’t wait.
Sounds delicious!
Ravens had 1st and goal at the 8. Incomplete pass left them with 2nd and goal at the 8, then suffered 3 consecutive 10 yard penalties to be 2nd and goal at the 38. Two holding calls, and an offensive pass interference call. Ended up making 28 yards of it back and got to 4th and goal from the ten. Easy field goal from there. Ravens fans not happy with the refs.
I am on team Raven tonight.
Bucs being 4-3 is better than them being 5-2.
Same
Ravens are destroying Tampa now. Would be nice if the Vikes would look as good as the Ravens Thursday night.
The Teacher has us going to a Young Frankenstien Musical.
So since I can’t tell her that the Vikings are more important than she is I just need them to win.
Looking good is much further down the list of importance.
If they look as good as the Ravens did, they should win easily.
Ravens are stout, their defense has holes, especially after tonight, some injuries.
But their offense is scary, Lamar is hard to stop, paired with Henry, even scarier.
Our first injury report for the Thursday Night gave vs the Lambs.
Risner FP, good. Cashman out, double plus ungood. Hope at least some of the LP designated guys can get ready to play until Thursday. Hock and the Joneses, especially.
I figure that some is rest and recovery from Sunday.
But even if we are missing some of them I think we are ok.
#nojinx
We should be OK, right. Curious if the Rams will get players back until Thursday.
Rams injury report.
Reeder and Fiske are two starting defenders that they would miss.
ILB Troy Reeder, Hamstring, DNPDE Braden Fiske, Back, DNPWR Jordan Whittington, Shoulder, DNPNT Neville Gallimore, Shoulder, DNPWR Cooper Kupp, Ankle, FPOL Joe Noteboom, Ankle, LP
Thanks!
Peter Schrager on GMFB said he thought McVay was holding Kupp out this weekend so he could play on Thursday.
Kupp could cause problems. If they get back Nacua as well the defense will have their work cut out for them.
Just remember didn’t actually practice and these are best guesses
Indeed, thanks for the reminder.
We need Phillips
And Risner
Finally got around to resurrecting the chart I created last year. I was curious to see if the guys I thought were throwing short a lot were really throwing short as much as I thought. There’s a couple surprises on here, at least to me.
Hmm that is interesting. Especially where Mahomes is.
Yeah. I was surprised on Purdy too. He gets the wrap for being the screen guy too, but it doesn’t look like it on this.
JJ Mccarthy leaves the wolverines and they suck…
coincidence? I THINK NOT
I told you guys the Vikings would make a playoff run this year and a SB run next year with JJ but you all laughed at me.
i have always been on the JJ band wagon so….
include me in “you all”
Yes I did. I was on the 3-14 bandwagon.
Same here, I thought we’d suck, 5 or 6 wins maybe.
I figured 10 or 11 this year.
This is about what I said – 6 wins.
and if they win the SB this year? OK
I would be perfectly fine admitting I was wrong in that scenario.
Not really ‘admitting wrong’. – one injury can mean the difference between getting there and losing in the playoffs.
Yep, which is why you don’t give up young proven talent for a long shot maybe.
We differ. You always take your best shot when the opportunity is there.
To me if you believe you can get to the last four teams left in your conference – go for it.
Yes, but you don’t hurt your depth to try. Give up draft picks, but they don’t have em.
I’m all for them taking a shot if there’s one to take, but don’t turn a strength into a weakness to maybe turn a weakness into a slightly better weakness.
Right now as we stand today I believe it is very reasonable for us to be final four and there will be four good teams.
And if you have a weakness, it will get exploited. I’m just trying to be ready for that and I’m. not suggesting giving away ‘that much’.
And I’m a business man not a GM, but if I was paid to do so, bet I could find a guard better than Ingram somewhere.
Not all of us……
Had to be because of that stud WR he had to throw to that’s totally tearing up the NFL this year.
Is student debt forgiveness the biggest joke in the history of America? Maybe my mortgage payment will be forgiven under cackles.
student debt keeps getting forgiven yet my property taxes, homeowners insurance, and mortgage keep going up….
It’s called being neighborly. Help those less fortunate. Just ask your governor.
i’m gonna have my mortgage paid off in about 4 years, but with how property taxes keep going up, i’m gonna be paying the same amount per month as i did with my bleepin mortgage!
Guess I should have kept reading…
Stillwater pretty bourgeoisie.
I was raised there is no free lunch. Guess i was wrong.
Taxes and any kind of insurance is a joke.
Agreed.
I remember when social security benefits weren’t taxed. How’s it work with statutory social insurance over there?
Social security takes a significant chunk out of my salary every month, so I figure that I’ve paid much more into the system than I ever got out if it, or ever will get out if it.
On the other hand, you don’t have to worry about hospital bills and such when necessary procedures have to be done. Don’t know which system is better…
Still, taxation is theft, mostly.
I’ve lived and worked in health care in both systems. I know which one I prefer. I don’t know about the Austrian healthcare system but I can say that Medicare for all would be a disaster in the US…and that Americans are nowhere near prepared for what healthcare would look like under a single payer system.
I used to worry a lot about such things, but as time has gone by and I’ve been able to do some saving I’ve reached the point that I work because I love my job. If something should change that I no longer love my job (especially if healthcare became a right instead of an insurance benefit) I’d just retire and do something else I enjoy, like studying female surface anatomy.
Break out the van!
Being aware of the fact that most of the money I’m forced to hand over to the system is used for people that never paid a single cent into the system (free healthcare for illegal immigrants, for one) and for other purposes I don’t agree with I’d prefer the insurance system.
This system over here does have a few merits, but the negatives far outweigh the positives.
Sure wife would be okay with that?
How does your mortgage keep going up? You are spoofing, two months ago you said you were almost paid off. Yer pulling me leg.
I think you are forgetting the reparations that need to be paid.
I’m sure taxes will go down under cackles and tampon.
I used to think that I would get some kind of exemption from reparations having immigrated here from another country. Hahahaha who the f am I kidding I have also benefited from the middle passage.
Yep and some people who’s ancestors actually owned slaves are exempt from paying (like a certain Indian former CA AG).
Not legal, can’t happen.
Won’t stop them from trying and thereby Virtue Signaling.
Do you mean reparations? Are they actually illegal?
What law will the Supreme Court support that allows for payments for slavery that will be paid by people who have never owned slaves to people who have never been slaves?
exactly – can’t be legal. Unless Congress passes a law that does not violate any portions of the constitution, then it would be.
Executive order won’t work.
Anybody that voted for it would be finished in the next election,
Heck even Newscum vetoed it in Commiefornia.
and I would have thought 10 years ago any politician that mentioned socialism would be dead (other than Bernie0.
Higher Education is obviously taught by people who are high.
they are the real socialists, been teaching our kids this crap for years.
Probably. Those people are not high on proper stuff, though, that’s for sure.
I for one enjoy paying off Ivy League students debt so that they can protest and support Queers for Palestine.
It only makes good sense.
Maybe but paying people to stay home and not work is more crazy than a joke.
Oh, they have perfected such a system in Germany. People are literally getting paid by the state to not work, basic needs covered. They call it “Bürgergeld”. Of course more than half of it goes to illegals, because there are no illegals in the commie utopia they are building over there, so everybody can apply.
Between this, spending billions on “foreign aid” and the deindustrialization the “green” party and their socialist accomplices are perpetrating it’s only a question of time until that county explodes. The rest of Europe will follow, I’m afraid. Memo to self, need to buy more ammo.
does practice start tomorrow for the vikes. so injury report start tomorrow?
It should, as we are set to play on Thursday. Hope we escaped without any injuries.
I think they might have to release a pretend one today or tomorrow.
We have a 1st and 2 3rd day picks next year. We have to live with what we got. FA ‘s with a lower cap. See clickbait saying Sam should get a 4 year 160 million contract. After 6 games? Really?
we will have a good amount of money to get 2 or 3 solid free agents to fill the gaps.
draft the position of need with our first round pick or if we trade down etc.
we’ll be sitting pretty. We have blackmon coming back from injury at corner that they really like.
what’s more important – having the money for proven FA’a or a lot of draft picks to take a shot?
both 🙂
the Good Lord doesn’t give you everything.
Pretty sure someone will offer Sam more money than Purple want to pay. So JJ and Mullens, just guessing.
Sam has 11 or so more games to play.
Now I think Sam is playing very well.
But, he is playing for KOC with JJ, JA Jones et all. Now, if he was playing in Carolina, how would he look? Guessing other folks realize this.
For that money he needs to shine rest of season.
He already played in Carolina and sucked.
That was before KOC did a mind meld with him.
I think Sam should get more as long as the Wilfs aren’t the ones signing the checks. The bigger his contract, the better the comp pick.
Too rich if that is the ask.
I’d politely tell Sam to pound sand.
14-1? Maybe split with the Boars and be sitting at 13-2? The last 2 against the Packers and Lions could mean nothing.
if we are a legit contender, we will beat the rams, colts, jags, titans and bears over the next 5 games. MAYBE lose one since it’s what 4 of 5 on the road? but even still. contenders beat bad teams at their home.
Yep, which is why yesterday hopefully doesn’t matter. The Lions still have to play the Pukers x2, at Texans, Bills, at San Fran (end of December so they might have McCaffrey) and then finish with the Vikes.
GB still has SF, Detroit x2, Seattle, Miami (maybe jelly brains is back?), Boars x2, and of course their week 17 loss in Minny.
Possibly 4-5 losses there, but could see them winning most.
#nojinx
I firmly believe the Vikings are capable of losing any single game that they play in.
The same is true for winning any game that they play in.
Maybe 3 losses there? Not many that I see. Likely 2 or less.
They have to play the Bears too and division games can be weird.
Last two games will be meaningful. Not a good time of year to start losing games going into playoffs.
@I don’t see a loss on the schedule@
I need a W Thursday to get bad taste out my mouth.
Same.
same
love to see some of those flexes.
They should flex the week 14 game.
Ouch, the game starts at 2am over here now instead of 7pm. Not good.
Looks like he accounted for 3 D-lineman on his own on that play.
he seems to be the king of shoving dlineman into other dlineman.
i’m sure it happens all the time with others as well, but obviously only see it with him really.
and then you have ingram who also falls on darrisaw’s shove….SMH
Ingram falls on his ass – again. Bow, where are you.
I’ve never said Ingram was good, simply that nobody has yet to give me a realistic trade possibility that is an improvement.
‘nobody has yet to give me a realistic trade possibility that is an improvement’
Since you get to decide what that is they probably never will.
Saying the Vikings can give up a late round pick or that they would give up one of their young stars for a guy that the other team would have to take a massive cap hit on are not realistic outside of Madden and fantasy football. Saying “just do something” isn’t a real answer either.
There were suggestions given beyond that.
Hell at this time Cleveland is willing to give up about anyone.
The only guy they have that wouldn’t lead to them taking a 20+ mill dead hit is rookie Zak Zinter that I can see.
they just gave up Cooper and they are done. Don’t know about money, but for Nailor and a 3rd you could pick up half their oline.
Joel Bitonio is 33 years old and they would take over 20mill in cap hit to trade him. Wyatt Teller is 30 and would be around the same dead hit. Nobody is taking on 20 mill in cap hit to trade a guard when they are playing with backup QBs for the remainder of the season.
Zak Zinter is a 3rd round draft pick rookie that I don’t think has seen a single snap.
Since you are better at this than I am, let’s do this the other way around. How about you take my idea, use draft picks and available money, and find me a guard.
I’ve given you the only options I’ve seen and none of them are good. I think they’re stuck and need to hope Risner is better enough. I don’t have time to go through every contract, but the pickings are slim and I’m not convinced bringing in a guard midseason is going to work anyway. It’s not the same as adding a RB or WR.
I think they’re best options are going to be in house. They might not be great options, but I don’t think they’re going to find somebody on the trade market. They would be better off looking for another RB or a DT.
i also remember this play and remember thinking holy smokes he has SO MUCH TIME TO THROW
That 67, he good.
I think the FO needs to add a couple of young talented DBs and a Right Guard in the off season.
A big NT who can rush would not be a bad add.
Turner has sure been disappointing thus far. He’s shown some flashes but why isn’t he playing more? 5 snaps yesterday?
He is a rookie behind some quality vets.
Van Ginkel and Greenard have been playing great.
Which would you sit to give Turner more reps?
only 5 snaps??
oofda. that’s not what you want to see out of a first round draft pick that was allegedly the best defensive player in the draft…..
I thought that’s what I read and they said on the radio that he was lined up at LB at one point.
4 snaps actually. FOUR SNAPS
That’s weird. It sounded like he made a good play when he was in there too.
honestly, i don’t know if the “quality depth” reasoning is cutting it anymore. if he’s a stud, you play your studs.
Yeah, something isn’t adding up. Is he still struggling to grasp Flo’s defense?
Or they’re just keeping him fresh for the playoffs and SB.
May not have the versitiity down the way the others do yet.
P. Jones is also quality vet in that room.
He has been on the injury report, for his knee I believe. Maybe, they are trying to keep him healthy.
Or the “injury” is fake to let him save face for not being smart enough to learn the defense after 7 weeks.
Yup. Was playing some MLB at one point.
Finding young talented DB’s ( especially two) is a tough task.
Terry Bradshaw was ripping on Tomlin for announcing they were going to start Russell Wilson over Fields. Looks like it turned out for the Tomlin.
I however, made a last second change to the Jets in the Picke’em. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
The Cowboy Vegetable soup at By The Batch in Bismarck is the bomb. They have good breakfast, too. I recommend the Bob’s Scrambler
Invited some friends over for the game, did up a batch of beef short ribs in the Dutch oven. We have ROKU and local antenna TV. I was happy to see the game scheduled for Fox – that’s one of the local channels that comes in the best.
5 minutes before the game started the TV screen went black. Started switching through channels – every antenna channel came in except the Fox channels (48.1, 48.2, 48.3, etc). Even channel 8 out of LaCrosse (with the FTP game) came in clearer than when the Vikings are broadcast on it.
Friends got to watch FTP, I got to squint at my cell phone streaming the Vikings on NFL+.
Wisconsin Fn hates Viking fans.
You still live in or go to the County Rd A & H area of Burnett County?
I don’t spend much time in Burnett. Grew up in Polk Co.
I live in Chippewa Co now, and our hunting land is up in Douglas Co.
Oh man that would suck. Where I am at local antenna TV would pick up one staticky channel. I have that ticket or zone or whatever it’s called add on to YT TV and it works great. Sometimes too great as my wife knows I can pause the game for 15-20 minutes to do a honey do, at will.
Is there a cost for the YT TV?
What’s the cost for the add-on?
We’re not opposed to paying for something reliable.
YT TV (base plan, 4K plus) is $82.98 a month. Sunday ticket cost $349 for the season back in May.
The Teacher enjoys the TV and thinks it is worth it.
I vetoed NFL add on because I am cheap that way.
We have YT TV & we like it, I’m not sure the price
We’re in the local market here in Bismarck, so we get all the non-prime time Minnesota Vikings games over the air.
I have Hulu live. The price just went up. I think it’s going to be around $95 per month.
Vikings Week 7 OL PFF grades (overall/run block/pass block/pressures allowed):
Darrisaw 62.1/56.6/85.8/0
Brandel 67.4/61.4/74.9/1
Bradbury 56.0/69.6/37.6/4
Ingram 38.0/43.7/64.8/1
O’Neill 64.4/49.6/78.1/1
Yes, its time to insert Risner at left Guard and move Randel to right guard. Enough is enough.
Risner is injured, and has been for weeks.
Word on the street is he is ready to play Thursday night, but yes, that is why he hasn’t been an option to date.
good grief
Well, that sucked. Gifted at least three points to start the game thanks to the worst executed fake punt – although give ST credit for being prepared.
The defense had no answer – four straight TD’s. I think Goff completed 18 of his first 16 pass attempts. I don’t think Darnold completed a pass to anyone not named Jones, Jefferson or Mundt. WTF was with all the offensive line penalties? Then you get a scoop six late to take the lead and still can’t stop ’em.
Sigh. This is when I would have started itching to get McCarthy playing time, but no the Vikings first round picks always miss at least one of the rookie seasons to injury.
We will lose in a couple of nights. No concerns about that…but need to right the ship against the Colts.
Wonder how many balls kumbaya Kevin gave out?
Context as mentioned below…I never thought we’d be 5-1, or 5-2. Plus, I hate to say it, but there is no team beating KC for their swifty threepeat. Let some other fanbase get that heartache.
The Rams are not very good this year. History does not bode well for the away team on Thursdays, but I expect them to win what will likely be a sloppy, ugly affair.
Not as big as factor as we would think….
I see we are 3 point favorites on Thursday. I think we will win…Besides, I am going to the game and will be cheering extra hard.
Don’t tell the Vikings the odds!
‘I am going to the game’
You going to SoCal?
Yes, I am….Leaving Wednesday morning coming back Sunday. Son goes to Pepperdine so visiting him and going to the game. Plan on going to the Reagan Library. Have you been there? Is it worth the time?
Speaking of presidential libraries (I have not been to the Reagan one, but try to visit any nearby ones when I am on vacation at some place or another), I was wondering what the heck the huge building being constructed above Medora (ND) was all about.
The Roosevelt library should be a nice shot in the arm for local tourism. Maybe people will even stay as far away as Glendive.
Yes, they are shooting for a July, 2026 open date. I don’t really know how much it will impact tourism. Medora is so FAR out of the way. I would expect it will be another something to do for those already planning on going to Medora. I guess time will tell if it increases the number of visitors.
I have not been.
Have a great trip, you have been before so you know to be careful.
The Lions were ready with quick hits for all of the blitzes. Goff is good at hitting the hot routes.
Flores took too long to switch to four-man pressure. Greenard was doing fine on the edge, and Flores needed to trust that more. More people in coverage means more contested catches (was there even one yesterday?) and more people to limit YAC.
18 of his first 16 pass attempts? Impressive.
To my sorrow I had a Manhattan followed by a Cosmopolitan. Not wise. I may have blacked out for a while there listening to the announcers salivate over Goff’s completion percentage.
Amen. Gregg Olson was nauseating. I almost thought about drinking.
Well, today I wish I had thought about not drinking. I’m a lightweight anymore and my stomach still feels a little topsy turvy. 5 oz of liquor kicked my ass.
I don’t miss that part at all. The hangovers got worse as I got older.
This is so true. 61 years old, and I have to stop after 2 drinks or the next day sucks.
Now, weed(gummies) do nothing of the sort, and I just sleep really well.
Easy decision. More gummies please.
I like that idea other than the whole drug testing thing.
Lucky for me, my employer does not care about THC testing, since I am not driving or operating heavy machinery
He was nauseating. It was like the Vikings didn’t even exist.
That’s how you know that the Lions are one the NFL’s darling teams right now (besides the little favors they get from the refs). Announcers can’t stop the verbal diarrhea about the darling team, the other team is just kinda on the same field as well…
I thought it was a deliberate literary choice to show that Goff picked us apart so bad that he actually completed more passes than he attempted.
It is not far off. Dude was money.
Vikings had plenty of chance to win the game yesterday, but it sure seems like there were several questionable calls and no-calls that went the way of the Lions (“hold” on Ingram getting bulldozed and then the guy dives into Darnold’s knees, Pace getting blocked in the back into Goff’s legs and “roughing” from that, the offsides on Addison was borderline, and Sewell had a big hold on a TD for the Lions that wasn’t called). I didn’t see the challenged fumble, but some said that should have been Vikings ball as well. It seems like the refs have been trying to sabotage the Vikings the last 3 weeks (definitely in GB, possibly vs Jets, and maybe this week as well).
I just don’t see the NFL allowing the Vikings to win a SB, even if they get there. Gonna get screwed by bad calls even if they play well enough to win. We saw that in 2009 NFC Championship, we saw it with the Pearson push off, for goodness sakes we see it every year against the Packers and other teams. I find it hard to get my hopes up when history continues to point towards loss for one reason or another.
I’m really reluctant to blame the refs. We had our chances.
Now if we get to the SB, seems we would be the cinderella story.
The Lions are the current darlings though. Can’t have the Vikings messing up the NFL’s plan.
Well if we beat the Lions in the NFC Championship game, we won’t have to worry about them in SB. And people are getting tired of the Chiefs. – Sam’s a great story.
Sam will keep on being a great story if he continues to play like he did the first 3 games. Besides, I’m afraid that the league is adamant on letting the Swifties win another one… seems to bring in the most $$$ and publicity for them.
We had chances, but those chances are continually modified and limited by calls that I don’t think are correct in many cases (or “missed” in favor of the other team). I am perfectly able and willing to admit when we get a favorable call that isn’t right, but I just very rarely see it.
All team’s fans see the officiating as stilted. You should have read the comments on the Jets site after JJ received three PI calls in about five plays – they were going crazy.
I’m afraid you might be right. We are not getting calls some other teams are getting, the Lions for example… their W vs the Cardinals at least was aided by the refs, and they were pretty much allowed to do what they wanted yesterday.
I’m holding out hope that the NFL can’t deny us forever, but we’ll probably be the last team to win a Superbowl.
#nojinx
They’ll expand the league and let those teams win a SB before they let the Vikings win one.
Yeah, interesting there have been a bunch of PI and holding calls against the Lions secondary (particularly Arnold) this year, but I think we got 1 yesterday (and we already had the first down I think). Just amazing he turned over a new leaf in one week, against some of the best receivers in the NFL.
An amazing turn of events indeed. Refs must have “let him play”.
My tin foil conspiracy, after the no call pearson push off someone in the crowd hit the ref with a bottle. Franchise on black list by refs ever since. Thanks I’ll hang up and listen
I think you might be on to something…
Chili update, my idea to slowly add Carolina Reaper infused tomato juice worked, to a point. To me I could have added more but I didnt want to make it too hot for others to enjoy. I will have to make a smaller batch next time just for me and really crank it up. Chili itself turned out really good. I ended up entering a crock pots worth of it into a chili contest at a bar down the street from me. Ended up taking 4th out of 8. The ones that got 1st and 2nd were good but kinda meh to me, and were tangy/sweet which I found was weird. ND tastes buds dont like heat and mine was the only one that had some kick so, I guess I might have to play to the crowd if I enter it again. Oh well!
A handful of brown sugar adds a nice sweet to offset the spicy. Also, roasted poblanos are a game changer. Finally, keep the nasty ass beans out of it.
I put 3 kinds of beans in mine. I’ll bring you some the next time I make some.
I used two cans of Buschs Chili magic, had 4 lbs of ground hamburger, Hatch chilis, a fresh onion, 3 fresh jalapenos, 2 cans of fire roasted tomatoes, tomatoes sauce, chili seasoning, two table spoons of coco powder for depth. Beans are fine haha as long as its not MOSTLY beans. I could have added a little bit of sugar I spose. But the other ones were TANGY, like they used BBQ sauce or that same shit you put the franks weinies in? It wasnt for me.
Thanks for the chili update! You could always try sprinkling a little meth in there next time, that always ups the scores with the judges.
It’s looking like I am going to be moving into the basement in the Pick em league.
On GMFB this morning they said something interesting….
Yesterday was the 23rd game as D-Coordinator for Brian Flores.
He’s given up 30+ points only 4 times in that span.
3 have been against Detroit
It’s no secret that Ingram sucks.
It’s my understanding that with Risner about to return that if they wanted Ingram out of the lineup they would move Brandel to right guard and insert Risner at left guard. Apparently although left guard is the natural position for Both Brandel and Risner, Brandel is more able to flip to the right side.
My question is,
Is it worth messing the O-line to that extent on a 5 and 1 team and risk making things worse?? I think Ingram is so bad that it is worth the risk.
Do you think we have a chance to go/win the SB?
Yes
Then to me they should fix the problem now.
That doesn’t mean there is a solution though. This isn’t Madden.
There’s always a solution. Now, whether you are willing to pay the price is another matter.
Who then? Most of the good guards are locked in untradeable contracts and teams aren’t going to give up a good one typically. Not to mention the Vikings have almost no draft capital to trade away.
I don’t know. But some crap team that’s not going anywhere, may have a “good” guard they are willing to trade.
Imagine this – we are playing the Rams. If this was last year and Donald was still playing, better be prepared to throw a lot of the playbook out the window.
See, this is what I mean. You are living in Madden Fantasy land. Unless you know of an actual, real life option, you are spouting nonsense. Maybe there is a solution out there, but vague lala fantasy change for the sake of change doesn’t work.
I have absolutely no idea what Madden Fantasy land is?
I am no GM but know Ingram is a problem and I would leave no stone unturned before I would take a chance and lose a SB because I didn’t at least try to fix the problem.
That’s not lala or fantasy – it’s what any good senior executive would do.
I’m hopeful that they’ll do something prior to the trade deadline.
Me too.
We have no trade capital to bring in anything….I think we will be limping through with Risner/Ingram.
I dunno, Jordan Addison for Zach Martin. Have the Cowboys throw in another draft pick. Solves our guard problem, gives us another draft pick. We also have an elite guard for a couple years.
I could get on board with this.
but why would the cowboys do that? trades have to make sense for both teams.
Dallas adds a playmaker, as JRob said.
JA is certainly cheaper and Dallas certainly has a lot of big contracts to juggle.
*don’t know what the backup RG looks like.
Why wouldn’t they?
because they understand the benefit of having a really good offensive line and wouldn’t just trade away their interior line because we want them to?
Good idea and Dallas is looking for another playmaker on offense to compliment Lamb.
The Cowboys would take something like $35 million in dead cap hit between the end of this year and in 2025. Not happening. Also, he’s injured.
Sure, but that was just off the top of my head. I’m guessing there are scenarios that are plausible.
Brandon Scherff is in the last year of his deal with the Jags so maybe could get him for a late round pick. Something called Jermaine Eluemunor might be available from the Giants. Other than that, at least from a quick scan on Spotrac, the guards are either on teams that I don’t see moving on or have contracts that are not going to make a trade possible.
That’s my point. It’s easy to say upgrade but not so easy to do. Not to mention that bringing in somebody unfamiliar with the system, the players and Sam’s cadence has a decent likelihood to fail, even if that player has been good.
Even finding a league average guard would be a huge upgrade.
Maybe trade with the Browns for Ezra Cleveland? 😀
He’s in Jacksonville and they would have over $10 mill in dead cap.
Could probably get Udoh from the Taints.
Yea can’t understand this. From reading Norse (and my eyes) Ingram is the worst graded guard in the league. So, even a slightly below league average would be a big upgrade.
Even if you ‘over pay’ a little at this point it’s worth it.
Still gotta have something to give up to overpay and the Vikings have almost no draft capital.
Can you get something for a fourth and one of our WR’s – we have plenty of them?
If you think you are going to make a run, you don’t trade away players. Trade one and then one gets hurt and all of a sudden you are in a really bad spot.
I’m a George Allen disciple – the future is. now. There’s always risk in everything.
We’re 5 -1 and just went head to toe with the most talented (and maybe best) team in football. Time to go for it.
We won the division in 22 and our first two draft picks did nothing for us. We are now 5-1 and our first two draft picks have made very little difference. So I’d gladly give up a higher pick to fix our problem.
But guys that would make any big difference are not available.
Going from a 0.5 to just a 4.0 (10 point scale) wouldn’t seem like much to others but pretty big to us.
Point someone else’s not so good might be real good to us.
We don’t need an all Pro here.
Here’s the best options as CBS sees em. 2 guys that have been benched and a backup.
Nate Davis
Daniel Brunskill
Will Clapp
don’t know them – but would take any that is better than Ingram.
A career backup and two guys that aren’t good enough to even suit up on game day. Sounds like definite upgrades to me.
Not to mention that O-linemen aren’t as easy to plug and play as skill positions. Even a more talented player might not play as good since there is no chemistry.
I’d bet the first backup on the Chiefs, Niners, Eagles are all better than Ingram.
And probably a few others.
Forgetting pass plays, a guard that simply doesn’t get knocked into the back field would be large for the running game.
And all of those teams think they have a shot this year and are pretty unlikely to give up talented players unless they are at the end of their contract and are looking at big money, which is unlikely.
I agree, that’s why I mentioned trading Addison, we’ll have to give up young talent to make it work.
What happens when Jets gets hurt then and you’ve gotten rid of Addison for a maybe upgrade at guard?
Yes, Ingram is a well-known, game-wrecking weak spot. Try anything.
I think so, he & Bradbury are the weakest links & need to be upgraded.
Hey Freeze, I was in Stillwater on Saturday. We took a 2 hour lunch river cruise with the Heritage (old people) group from our church. There was way too many people clogging the streets. We had to park up the hill and walk a ways to get on the boat.
The water park is awesome, probably not open this time of year though
I think tourist season is running down there. The guy on the boat said that Sunday was the last river cruise for the season.
That river is pretty, we plan to kayak that river the next time we go there.
The waterpark has a free fall drop, like 40 foot drop into a big inflatable pillow. It’s a blast.
i rarely venture to downtown stillwater on the weekends.
it’s always packed with people.
the area in general this time of year is crazy. there are a few apple orchards and pumpkin patches as well and yeah i hate the traffic it creates.
glad you were close to me though!
We were coming down from the interstate and we were going through whatever that small town is before you get to Stillwater and my wife saw an inflatable that looked like a pumpkin with a Viking helmet on it. She said, “Maybe he lives there.”, referring to you. I told her we weren’t in Stillwater yet.
Freezey has several estates in the area.
Was it on a lake, if not, it was not Freezy.
was it bayport? it was probably bayport.
was there a trump flag flying? haha jk, i did that in 2020, and exiled half my neighbors from speaking to me again (they are the party of tolerance), so i’m not doing it again
Bayport sounds right.
That’s where lakehouse #2 is at.
It is Minnesocialistic, so I didn’t see any Trump flags.
You should put this up in your front yard.
I was disappointed with the middle part of the game and of course the ending, however I think we are going to win a lot of games this year. Who would have thunk that the NFC North would be the division to watch this year.
Indeed.
Its going to be a blood bath and if anything, entertaining.
Cleveland fans boo Deshaun Watson after he’s carted off yesterday after an apparent Achilles injury.
Myles Garrett in the post game press conference says Cleveland fans should be ashamed…..
I remember the *aints fans cheering when Wade Wilson went down on MNF, prompting Dan Dierdorf to call the *aints fans ‘classless pigs’…..
And I agree with Myles. It is disgraceful and disgusting to cheer for a player to have an injury. No player should experience that.
Except Deshaun Watson – fuck that guy. I hope his career is over.
🔨🔨🔨
Myles, the guy who tried to kill a guy with his helmet and then fake-claimed racist remarks later to save face? That guy says someone should be ashamed?
Pretty ironic indeed.
the church potluck was a great distraction to the game for me.
i got home in the 3rd quarter and just started from there.
My pastor is from Louisiana, and they made gumbo and jumbalaya and it was DELICIOUS.
lots of really good food yesterday.
Gumbo & jambalaya are two of the best foods on earth
Think this will actually happen?
https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/timberwolves-news-anthony-edwards-announces-intentions-play-nfl-1971891
As a wolves fan, I sure hope not.
No, that will never happen. Even though Ant would love for it to happen, too many years away from the sport and not getting high level coaching to just think at age 27 you are going to walk onto an NFL field.
It is no secret that Ant’s first love is football, that’s one of the reasons I was concerned about the Twolves drafting him….didn’t know if his heart would be into making himself the best basketball player he could.
Definitely not.
The Wolves still have a team?
And they are damn good, you should watch. More entertaining than the Lynx and Wild
The lynx were fun to watch in the playoffs this season. Tough loss last night to end things, but the finals in general were awesome.
You have my never ending admiration for having the stomach to watch women’s basketball.
You have my never ending admiration for having the stomach to watch
women’sbasketball.FTFY
Agreed
Basketball was great to play.
Has not been good to watch since Hardin and his bully ball.
I stopped even trying to watch after they got all woke with the BLM
riots‘mostly peaceful protests’I never got into basketball. Good thing maybe, I have my hands full already following the Vikings and my various favorite soccer and hockey teams.
I keep an eye on the Lakes scores.
Don’t watch or even much follow the box scores unless playoffs or big game.
We had a hoop in the back yard, never played much organized BB, it conflicted with wrestling in HS.
I probably feel the same way about soccer, that you do about basketball🙂
They’re basically the same thing.
WNBA is slow, and they can throw up some bricks. Is what it is.
LOL yup, probably 🙂
I’m a fan of all Minnesota sports so if any of the teams are good, I’ll watch. The vikes I will watch no matter what.
And this is the finals
uh ooof what’s that – I nodded off there for a minute.
Both teams sucked last night, but the first 4 games were pretty amazing…You just don’t want to admit it.
I don’t have anything to admit. This clip is literally all of the entire WNBA season I have seen. Basketball is dumb and women’s basketball is covering a turd in skunk spray.
Amen
Ehh, only the lynx, only in playoffs. One of the cool features of YT TV is the multiview screens. I had lynx, football game, and the baseball game on one screen so fast and easy to switch back and forth. I’m guilty of being a sports junkie.
Agree, fun series to watch…The national consensus is they got jobbed by the officials because the WNBA very much wanted a New York champion. Maybe, maybe not…you still needed to shoot much better than they did last night.
Basketball? Entertaining?
Its better than 3rd world sport Soccer at least.
Wrong
Soccer is 100% moar fun than basketball.
5-1
I’ll take it. We didn’t get blown out – and it felt like we were going to the way the 1st half ended.
Dumb penalties, bad Darnold pick, gashed in the run game and a 55% blitz rate that didn’t get home – all adds up to the first L of the year.
We’ll play them again – hopefully with Hock & Cash back at full throttle.
Schedule lines up nicely – TNF won’t be a slouch – short week, we’re traveling and the Rams have a good coaching staff. Still like our chances of getting the W. Then a mini-bye and we get Colts/Jags/Titans – a chance to stack some wins.
Goose thinks we’ll be alright
Skol!
Detroit is as good as anybody in football. Don’t want to play woulda coulda shoulda, but we can play with them all day long.
We’ll be there at end of year.
Saw some good things, saw some bad. I liked that we fought back from being down in the 2nd half, answered some over all team questions I had. The loss is on KOCs 3rd and 4 play call with 2-3min left on the clock after getting all the momentum back. You need to stay in bounds to force a clock run/time out burn and or get 4 yards. You dont NEED 14 YARDS ON A THROW TO THE BOUNDRY. Stupid, stupid, greedy play call. As soon as that happened I knew it was game over. Frustrating. But an L can some times be good. Im not too upset about it. Would have been fun if 3rd Reichardt woulda taken a stab at the FG. I wanted it.
Lol…. I also wanted him to take a shot at the 70 yarder…..
If they could have just gotten 5 more yards it would have been a 65-70 yard attempt.
I was also thinking just try the FG.
I wouldnt have even been mad if he missed it. Just wanted to see it attempted and you never know, if it goes in, the place goes ballistic and its an instant classic and NFL moment.
i agree on that play call by KOC. i don’t love that the play was a designed roll out. narrowing the field to ONE side, on a play we NEED just doesn’t make a ton of sense.
I understand it was a play that was to JJ and JJ alone, but…we have some pretty stinking good WR’s out there…
Exactly, its not the play call itself but when he chose to call it. Situational football some times eludes KOC, his bad habits over take him. Something to learn from and chew on.
Problem is, he never learns. He does stupid stuff over and over and then continues the next week.
He’s gotten a team some people predicted would have the worst record in the league to a 5-1 record and not against cupcake teams, all with a journeyman at best QB. Yeah, he sucks.
Well everyone gets. more critical after a loss, even against the most talented team in the league.
And not like the Texans, Packers and Niners are jokes.
All coaches have their way and there’s some good and some bad in that. KOC is mostly good.
Overly critical imo.He’s more good than bad, but if we’re going to take the jump those head scratching decisions in obvious situations are going to have to stop.
True – but the play was there and Sam simply over threw JJ.
Disagree, I dont think the play was there at all, and having Addison run the same route underneath also made no sense he also went up for the ball.
Well if Sam throws the ball 6 inches shorter, JJ easily catches it.
Now, in general I’m not crazy about rollouts as it cuts down the field, and it wouldn’t have been my first choice here. But even a terrific play call, won’t work if the QB misses the throw.
They should have ran it imo. Im not faulting Darnold on the play, he had to roll out of pressure and make that throw.
I’m more against the second down play call.
Thats fair. Run, run pass with a chance to ice the game is…certainly a choice.
KOC continues to make stupid decisions, admits them after the game, and then does it again next week. I think he’s limited from being a really good coach because of this.
I thought it was over on the 2nd down play call. I was begging KOC to play action there and he ran it for 3 yds.
Yeah the typical run run pass there. It was bizarre.
Too many checkdowns on third and long where Sam threw it short of the sticks.
I dont think there was an inexcusable about of check downs from my recollection of the game. There was a few, but they werent Kirk levels.
Agreed. Some will excuse this while claiming our last QB did too much (he didn’t).
Just like that deep pass to Addison from our end zone. A play the past QB would have never attempted and would have taken a sack or dumped it off. The Kirk Defense Syndrome is still strong here sadly. How did wonder lad play yesterday btw, it looked like his typical clown show from the recap I saw, including a laughable sack/fumble returned for a TD. Excuse away indeed.
Just saying he’s not the “checkdown king” and didn’t throw nearly as many as people say or think he did. Sam is worse.
Agree on 3rd and 4, bad decision
My thoughts from the game:
Van ginkel is very good, probably kams best acquisition as GM
the defense really missed cashman, especially in the run game and covering RBs
darnold was meh, especially in the first half, he is not the long term answer
Detroit won the line of scrimmage and as such, the game, Vikings blitzes didn’t get home, lions ran the ball for like 150, and Detroit was able to get pressure on darnold
You nailed it right there. They were much stronger on the line of scrimmage. Imagine what would have happened if they still had Hutchinson?
And thankfully they had a backup offensive lineman, believe number 74, who single handedly destroyed the Lions offense in the first quarter.
So, before the season started, we had a lot of questions about the team, and really were wondering if they would compete. They are pretty darned good, and they can compete.
I rewatched the game, focusing on Darnold’s play. He didn’t play terribly. In fact, he made several very, very good throws, and several good decisions not to throw the ball. Even the interception wasn’t terrible. He just didn’t see the safety in the split second he decided to throw the ball. Also, KOC refuses to run timing routes. No slants, no quick outs. It’s been one of my pet peeves about him from the start. Long developing route combinations that force the QB to hold the ball, and read both the defense and the receivers. This is too much of a load on the QB. Give him some routes where he gets the ball out when his back foot hits the ground.
I agree. Other teams are great at slants and such for a few yards when needed, particularly for a first down in critical situations. Another reason why I think KOC is just a slightly-better-than-average coach.
A question from yesterday in relations to your comment about route. Many times yesterday Darold had lot of time, and we were running deeper developing routes. but for whatever reason, there weren’t many plays there.
What’s goiing on?
Good coverage? Noticed that as well – several times Sam looked like he wanted to take a shot and then pulled it down. His mobility is nice though. Several times yesterday he escaped a collapsing pocket and avoided sacks. He’s done that all season.
First, I wouldn’t say “many times”. I’d say a handful of times. Second, when coverages change after the snap, and the receivers are deciding where they’re going on their routes, that takes time. Then if they get it wrong and run right into coverage, it takes more time. Darnold is in his 7th week of live action with these receivers. He’s still developing chemistry with them. Finally, KOC has a penchant for running deep crossers, and I think the Lions really played those very well.
Well watched our offense the last couple of years, with different QB’s, against the Lions secondary, and we burn t their butts off.
And I don’t think it’s Sam but something just seems off. That secondary cannot stay with our receivers.
Obviously, Division games are hard, because the teams know each other so well. Tendencies, playcalls, signals, etc are all known. Sam though, is new to the Division, and he’s a little behind the power curve. Goff is in his 4th year in this offense, and of course playing against us. He is way ahead of Sam on every level. Flores came in last year and threw a lot of curveballs, but slowly but surely, teams are charting everything he does, and finding ways to exploit his tendencies. That’s what happened to Zimmer. Teams eventually deciphered what he was going to do defensively.
That’s what bugs me with Kevin’s play calling sometimes. So many long developing routes. Where are the quick slant passes. I like the fact that he’s aggressive but sometimes you just need to get the few yards that it takes to get first downs.
it would have been reallllllly fun to have had those 15 seconds at the end back and get a sideline pass or hook and ladder to get out of bounds and then tried a 70 yard field goal.
oh well. short week this week. i hope we crush LA
Disappointing loss. Not the end of the world if the team manages to clean up the issues that plagued them yesterday, but losing to a divisional rival at home still just sucks.
Worried about Darnold a bit, he looked erratic at times yesterday, offense wasn’t clicking. Defense would have done just enough to win, Cashman was sorely missed.
Hope they manage to bounce back on Thursday, even if it’s a short turnaround and an away game. Good teams find a way to win after all, right?
good teams find a way to win after a loss. you are correct.
be curious if Hock plays. I would reallllly like to see Risner out there instead of Ingram.
Was it ingram who almost sacked darnold when darnold was scrambling on a play?
I think it was Ingram, he also blew up the trick play by accident IIRC. Ingram is just an accident waiting to happen on that line anyway…
Would like to see Risner get a shot, would also help the offense if Hock would be finally ready to play. Still think it was a good decision to keep him on the sideline vs the Kitties, who knows if they would have injured him again given the chance.
Will be interesting to see if KOC is up to the task of beating his old boss at their place.
Ingram sucks. The end.
Another strike against KOC. Gotta have someone better than that. Good grief.
Well, the GM picks the players, not the head coach. I’m sure KOC has input, but in the end, the GM builds the team.
KOC plays him when there are other options. You can say other options might be worse, but we’ll never find out apparently.
“I see him in practice every day”… coaches know who plays best.
not really a strike against koc, more KAM, hopefully risner takes over
KOC continues to play him. You almost play CJ Ham at that spot at this point, because he couldn’t be worse…
because he couldn’t be worse… how often have those words been uttered, only to proven wrong when it comes to the Vikings?
It’s not like Ingram just all of a sudden fell off the cliff.
If Ingram literally fell off a cliff, would he be doing us a favor? Not that I wish anything bad on the dude, but he could just quit playing football all of a sudden because he needs to visit his guru in India and stay there to find enlightenment or something.
Yes, yes he does
Yes, and almost tackled JJets on the trick play.
T’Wolves start their season tonight against the Lakers. Bronny gonna light it up.
i’m very excited for the wolves this year.
i am very ok KAT is gone and i LOVE that we got divincenzo, he is gonna be huge for us….jury is still out on Randle as i feel like he is a mini KAT already. But if he plays better defense then GOOD
What I read is that Randle is very good, but hurt often
well we are used to “hurt often” with KAT so i guess it’s a wash
KAT is an elite 3 point shooter as a big man, that seems the biggest difference as Randle is not, i think this trade gives Naz more playing time, I’m curious to see what happens
Yup, this trade doesn’t happen if we didn’t have Naz on the team.
I’m excited for the season also. I also think that Edwards and Divincenzo are going to gel well together.
i think so too.
divincenzo is a good defender and an elite 3 point shooter. I think this trade only helps the wolves. gets rid of a cry baby, clears up a bunch of money and randle is on the last year of a contract so could put up big numbers.
Yeah, I don’t know much about Randle, but I hope that he has more “dawg” mentality in him then kat does. Kat is a great player but he always seems to be a little soft as a big man.
Tomorrow night
Yep, I forgot the tomorrow.
Well, a sucky Monday is upon us.
A poor play call on the 2 pt conversion, poor play calling when we were up with the ball to run down the clock to end the game, and bad defense on the final drive.
KOC and Flores better get their sh** together quickly.
I’m not optimistic about a win in LA Thursday night.
Fun fact:
If the playoffs were today, all 4 NFC North teams would qualify.
I feel the opposite about LA Thursday. I watched quite a bit of the LA LV game and Mattison was getting 3-5 yards every carry, it seemed. AJ may have a field day.
I’m just stuck in my past on 5-0 starts.
They don’t end well in Vikings recent history.
Hopefully this year’s team can overcome that bit of history as well. Or they are just the same old Vikings. We’ll find out Thursday night.
Rams didn’t look particularly impressive yesterday. Hope they won’t get too many players back before the game, on offense especially.
The Vikings are 5-1 when most would have figured they’d be 1-5, I’m not too worried the coaches need to get their shit together
This ^ past doom does not affect the present. Just like the tail doesn’t wag the dog.
True.
But the Vikings doom has been around for almost 50 years.
So, don’t just assume everything is ok.
Kfey is just a pup. He doesn’t have the PTSD that we have.
I have PTSD, just not advanced stages yet 😀
Context is key. This is a better roster and coaching staff then the last 5-0 collapse in 2016 which is why I dont compare it. And the team before that 2009, lost 4 games that year too. We’re going to lose. The way we lost doesnt spell doom for me yet. We need to win an ugly one against the Rams on a short week.
Agreed. I’d feel worse if we’d gotten boat raced. We didn’t. Opportunity was there. They got down and came back – losses can sometimes have a galvanizing impact on the whole season. Lot of positives to take away.
Exactly! Cheers.
Let’s hope yesterday’s L will have this effect on the team. We should be more under the radar again at least, now that we got our 1st loss of the season out of the way.
Lions can have all the hype, Campbell is going to Campbell eventually, and it’ll cost them games. Just the question if the refs will keep on carrying the Lions like they did in their game vs the Cardinals.
The rest of the NFC North has some of the toughest remaining schedules in the league and the Vikings have one of the easiest. There is not a game left for the Vikings that is not winnable and most of them are should wins.
Yepper
We should be in a favorable position for the rest of the season. Just cautious because we know what usually happens when the Vikes start 5-0…
I am not too upset about yesterday’s loss. Frankly, we deserved to lose. Plus, Lions are a formidable team. They helpfully pointed out we have things to clean up. Otherwise, they will obliterate us next time they play us.
I can’t believe we pulled out the old run-run-pass tactic when we got the ball up by one with like 5:50 left. You can’t go into clock-burning mode with that much time left. You absolutely have to score. There was an eternity of game left.
It is 2024. Modern NFL offenses only need 30 seconds to get into field goal range in end-of-game scenarios, especially now that 60-yard field goals are in play.
i hated losing for 3 reasons…
our defense, while they got gashed, made the play we needed to give the offense a shot to ice the game, and KO and the offense ended up choking….
my neighbor is a huge lions fan (from michigan originally) so he was being a total annoying dbag after the game.
i so badly want the vikings to be the team that wins the huge games we need them to win. granted, we have won some big games against big teams, we always seem to just barely give it up at the end…
let’s hope this lights a fire
Goff was an absolute assassin. What did he miss? Like two passes? That is tough for any defense.
It is kind of impressive that we had the chance to win.
Yep. This.
this is why KOC just makes me scratch my head sometimes.
Yes, KOC keeps making these boneheaded “mistakes” in critical situations, admits he makes them, and then keeps doing it. Perhaps his biggest flaw, besides continuing to play Ingram.
Begs the question why KOC isn’t correcting that mistake since he seems to be aware of the problem. Head scratcher there.
GM
FTP
Game reminded me of two things.
So, I am ready for that now. Team is still a season or two away from contending.
Please fire Ingram. Saw him on is back way too much yesterday. That is the most obvious weak link on the offense.
Defense had a rough day against a very good team. Blitzing is fine, when you get there. Pass rush failed, and Goff and a day.
He did a pretty good job of tackling JJets, on the trick play.
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!