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Pundits are saying this is what KAM used to select players in the draft… I doubt it though. He had a whole scouting staff to build a draft board and rate players.
https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-pff-101-top-101-players-from-the-2025-season
As far as who the Vikings hire as the new GM, they’ll go through the dog and pony show after the draft as they’re required to, but I think it comes down to two options, either they make brezinskyindfhhy de facto GM and KOC has final roster say, or they hire someone with actual football knowledge and experience in player personnel that KOC knows and trusts, maybe from LA, WAS, or even his playing days in NE.
NLV – I’m a sissy too.
Played six holes and quite. could have handled the cold but the wind was blowing so hard the ball was moving all over the greens. Just standing stil and hitting the ball was really hard.
So, I’m a good weather golfer now.
Laughing. We were getting some big winds here too. No way you could play in them. You’re no sissy either. I know you have arthritis and play in pain, unlike our QB… grin.
Well done boys…..
LOL.
I just took this for you….
I’m honored I could be the 420th comment
I’m still in shock, that the guy we hired from the Browns organization, to run the Vikings didn’t work out.
Now that is an impressive observation.
I’m pretty sure I made a comment asking why we would hire anyone from the Browns organization, when we hired him. I did give him some credit for doing better in the draft after his first year, but he has done a few head scratchers ever since we hired him.
How their GM still has a job is truly a miracle, so was Stefanski getting them to the playoffs twice during his time there. Just a dysfunctional trash organization, the best they could do for HC was a 60 year old first time nfl HC, he’ll be fired in less than two years, I almost feel bad for browns fans.
A decent summery of all that we discussed here and where we stand currently.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/vikings-gm-losing-job-against-backdrop-of-sam-darnolds-super-bowl-berth-seems-directly-related–but-kwesi-adofo-mensahs-decision-wasnt-that-wild-015900961.html
This boils down to what every seventh grade girl knows. Never let go of boyfriend #1 until you have boyfriend #2 locked in.
It is much easier to move on from someone if you have their replacement already in hand. I never learned that skill myself. I always seem to have an adjustment/reflectiion period between relationships.
I can admire someone who just goes from one to the other. I managed it once but that new one didn’t work out and I was back to the dry spell while I did a mental reset.
The assumption is that “we should have kept Darnold”.
What if Darnold wanted to leave regardless?
Make him an offer he can’t refuse.
Well, there are cap implications with that.
By doing that, you have to get rid of or not sign other potential starters.
True.
But you have to be solid at the most important position on the field.
Sam has thrown for like 7500 yards , 60 – 70 TD.s, and won 28 regular season games in two years. No body has down that before.
And you could have kept him for 35 Mil – which I believe is dirt cheap for a quality QB
But he wanted that for multiple years.
We had Jefferson, Hock and a couple on defense with large cap hits into the future, so multiple years was not viable without other roster changes.
I guess I don’t understand. 35 mil for three years is dirt cheap in today’s QB market.
And what good is Jefferson and Hock if you don’t have someone to get them the ball.
And those guys are big time expensive.
we couldn’t afford all of those contracts, unless many of the other positions were league minimum talent.
Just me I guess, but I believe we would have a better offense with a good QB and two Addisons, than Jefferson, Addison and a poor QB.
QB is just too important of a position.
So it sounds like you think it was an option to pay Darnold and move off of Jefferson?
While I might agree with the theory, it wasn’t a realistic option.
No – but I would have found a way to pay Sam and Jefferson. Someone else may have to go then
Still, 35 mil a year for a good NFL QB is dirt cheap. If we can’t afford that, we weren’t constructed right. .
We were not convinced that Sam was a ‘good NFL QB’ at the end of last year.
It was more that the roster carried him and he just had to be average and when we needed him the most he couldn’t deliver.
This year showed that he continued to improve, but no-one ‘knew’ that last year. Hindsight is 20-20.
Well it seems KOC was convinced.
I think KOC was convinced he’d be better than JJ, that’s for sure
I think KOC knows he runs a complex offense that requires a lot of the QB. And guys that can do that don’t grow on trees. Sam had just shown him he could do it. .
Anybody who thought JJ would be better in his first year starting compared to Darnold is NFL dumb.
They would not have been able to sign all of Hargrave, Allen, Kelley, and fries but they wouldn’t have had to cut anyone, I think Darnold had a cap hit under 20 mill this year so they could have done it, it’s easy to say now that they should have signed him with reports coming out and him going to the Super Bowl but at the time it was not so clear.
Do you trust KOC’s thinking on the QB position. Do you think he wanted to keep Sam.
I do think he wanted to keep Darnold or Jones, and I trust him much more than KAM to evaluate the QB position.
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If the FO would have signed Darnold to a top tier multi-year contract after the playoff loss to the Rams, every single Vikings fan would have been calling for everyone’s job.
What’s top tier money?
$35 million a year, would be bottom of the top tier.
Probably, but what if they signed him to the exact contract Seattle gave him?
I’m not sure he would have stayed for that contract.
Yep.
Seattle probably would have made a better offer.
Exactly. The Vikings played Darnold and Jones the way they played Cousins. Offering limited extensions a year at a time, and clearly signaling they had no interest in retaining them long term.
The article explains the rationale and Spock might buy it, but it doesn’t wash with common sense.
Nobody else offered Jones more than a one year contract, and Darnold signed an incredibly team friendly deal for like 30 mil a year that the Seahawks can get out of pretty easily if they wanted. They both chose to sign elsewhere because they knew they likely wouldn’t be starting, particularly Jones.l, who reportedly took the same amount of money and years because he had a better chance to start in Indy.
Yep.
They both wanted a chance to be the starter.
Darnold deserved a guaranteed starting job, Jones was kinda where Darnold was when he signed with the Vikings, chance to start for a team with no real proven QB. I think Jones still owes Ed donatell money for helping him get that fat extension in New York
I assume Donatell gets a Christmas gift every year from Jones.
The only difference in those three players is that Sam Darnold is playing in the Super Bowl.
Darnold has played well this year, he also has the benefit of playing for probably the best team in the NFL. I still want NE to win
Same.
We’ve had this convo so many times now. The Vikings were hesitant to keep Darnold because he blew it in the playoffs (though some around here deny that or make excuses for him). Hindsight is 20/20. There weren’t teams lining up to sign him. The Seahawks went for it, many people in the media doubted the move because Darnold’s resurgence was being credited to supposed offensive genius KOC, and the Seahawks hit big on it. Good for them. Bad for us.
But let’s stop acting like Darnold was a world beater before this season.
I agree.
I think letting Darnold leave was the right decision. He just failed in the two biggest games, and we had a first round QB who we needed to see if he had it.
Now KOC gets the QB he wants, so we’ll see what happens.
Im hoping for a swing at Burrow.
World beater no – but any QB that throws for over 4000 yards with 35 TD’s and wins 14 games is pretty damn good.
Now, i’m OK with letting him go, as long as we have a capable replacement.
Also, I don’t really care what the pundits and all the other execs in the league thought. KOC is our QB whisperer and offensive guru, what did he think he needed for his offense to shine. His is the voice that counts.
Want to bet what he thought best.
Yes. This.
Darnold failed miserably in two games vs Detroit and two games vs the Rams and also looked terrible in the Seattle game.
Above average, not top 10.
His stats bear that out this season. While Seattle is in the Super Bowl, they are there based on the incredible defense and run game. Sam did play very well lately, but they were close to not winning that division because of his turnovers. Defense got them this far.
Sorry Surly, but the Seahawks were 3rd in the league in offensive scoring. They were first in defense in points allowed, but it isn’t like the offense was bad. The offense was one of the best in the league.
‘they are there based on the incredible defense and run game’
And the Run Game he spoke of is a big part of that offense.
“Defense got them this far.”
Not accurate…
Reading the discussion below on was KOC keeping JJ off the field because of injury or just couldn’t play.
I recall a huge discussion here after that Thursday Night debacle against the Chargers. We played Wentz who was about two steps away from the operating room instead of JJ who was 95% recovered with his ankle.
We were still in it at that point ad needed a win. After reading all the stuff now, I’m very much inclined to believe KOC felt he had a better chance of winning the game with a really banged up Wentz than JJ.
That’s how I feel too JR. I mean McCarthy said the next Monday he was fully healed, and felt great. So the Thursday before, after about 6 weeks, he was still too hurt to play, but 4 days later he was fully healed and felt great?
KOC’s lack of confidence and that only changed when he had little choice – JJ or the other guy that was even worse.
Seems to be the case. We’ll see in in about 90 days when OTA’s start on 20 April. However the McCarthy situation is handled then, will go a long way to helping folks to understand exactly where KOC stands.
At this point he has little choice.
I kind of see it differently. KOC is in a position to proceed as he sees fit at the moment. KAM is gone. If he has doubts about McCarthy, now is the perfect time to establish that. If he sticks with McCarthy and the status quo, then he agreed with KAM that McCarthy is the QBOTF.
true. But when OTA’s start will we even have another QB option on the team?
Sure… teams start shaping their rosters and signing players on March 13. The draft is April 23-25. We should see what direction the team is going very soon.
New definition of a happy ending???
Good for him.
Balance is a wonderful thing, being a NFL QB can skew that balance.
Real Life keeps me from getting a NLNVF like big head.
#grin
Laughing…
Some of these guys are like bad weather, they just won’t go away.
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Hopefully he is changing his personal life.
Im skeptical. Just the way I’m wired I guess.
But he was presented as a ‘People Person’ who was all about building relationships.
He was.
But they hired a statistical mathematical guru, so I’m not sure what they expected?
I recall that quite a few of us were at least skeptical of this hire, a stat guy that doesn’t know football?
Yep… seemed to be the overarching take as I recall.
Right.
Yep. It was promoted as the “next generation” way of doing things.
Certainly didn’t work on drafting players imo.
yeah, if you go back and look at comments when he was hired there were some really good ones from folks like fivefingers
Sucks
–five
I don’t remember exactly what he said, but he was right, something about a college basketball team manager who went to Ivy League college, then worked on Wall Street would be ass as GM, I believe also berated it as a diversity hire.
Sounds about right.
He was right.
I mean he pretty much always said everyone is going to suck but he was right that time
KAM was almost dead to me after his first draft NIGHT. That opening round was atrocious, and it has set back the Vikings (and furthered their division rivals).
He made up for it a bit with the free agency two off-seasons ago, but this past year was brutal again.
Trading with FTP made a lot of us hate him.
It was more the results of the trade, now much he gave up, who he got and what he passed up.
If he had robbed FTP we would have been fine with it. Since he got bent over the table by the Green Shits it just made ‘The Trade’ that much worse.
For sure this.
Trading with the Lions not only gave them a good WR, but it cost us drafting Kyle Hamilton.
Then he traded with the Packers after that!
And then drafted huge bust Cine.
There many here asking “WTF” on the trades.
Then after the results it was like adding gasoline to the fire.
The trade with FTP was not bad, he got bent over by Detroit.
The trade with Detroit was a million times worse.
Agree, his first draft was so atrocious there was almost no way to recover. 2024 draft looks respectable, all are still on the roster except khyree Jackson (RIP) and all have contributed at least depth, but really it still hinges on JJ. That first draft though, woof, it was epically bad with the trades and busts.
Vikings fill out their coaching staff, I don’t know much about these guys but the DB pass game coordinator is someone B Flo worked with before so I’m guessing he’ll be able to implement what the defense has been doing. Don’t know anything about the dline coach.
the oline coach I don’t really know anything about, the assistant to the head coach is an oline guy and Miami’s oline was competent last season and over his three years in Miami they were a little above average in pass pro
This sounds good Ben. Solid coaching staff is a cornerstone of good teams. So far I like what I’m seeing.
Yeah, I like bringing in a guy with a background in oline/run game coordinating as well as an oline coach. I’m sure Flores picked gots he wanted, which is good because they should be able to pick things up quickly.
Only thing left is to find a GM. I’d expect they go with someone who has actual player evaluation experience this time instead of a numberhumping nerd who literally knew nothing about playing, coaching, or scouting football.
Might just stick with Brez, but you’re right. Whoever it is has to be a football guy. KAM was clearly not qualified.
I guess this is Brez’s audition then.
Brez is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations… GM is step below him, so I think not. He’s filling in for sure, but ultimately he probably wants to hand it off to someone else.
Brez was GM before, I think under Childress, but didn’t have roster control, chili did. Brez doesn’t know ball on the field, he knows ball with regard to contracts and the cap.
Yep… obviously every year that you’re “in the biz” you learn things though, so I’d like to think he’s grown some since the Childress days. That said, a real football savvy GM is likely the best way to go.
Might give Brez the GM title, but he’s not a football guy so likely koc would have control of the roster, either way it would be better.
“Flores picked
gotsguys he wanted’I would hope he gives The Hitman a role in the DB staff if/when he retires. He was given a lot of leeway at the end of the year and it worked out well for the defense.
whenever hitman does decide to retire the Vikings should give him whatever opportunity he may have interest in, whether that be coaching, scouting, player development, community outreach, or whatever. Knowing him, if he did want to do something it’d be more behind the limelight type of job, like scouting or something in player development like Scott Studwell did as soon as he retired. I kinda hope he comes back for another year, he played quite well after recovering from whatever non football issue he had to begin the season.
IIRC Hitman said he would not want to be a coach. That it would be too hard to be around the game and not be able to play. It sounded like. When he’s done he’s done and no one will hear about him again.
Yeah, he’ll probably come back and blow the gjallorhorn his first season retired and of course give his speech when enshrined in the HOF and the ring of honor, but i think you’re right, he rides off into the sunset and does something completely away from football, probably business. If he did want to stay connected to football I’m sure the wilfs would give him any opportunity he might want.
I was wondering this morning what losing the GM at this point meant for the Vikings?
Weren’t we building a team using his “plan”.
He’s gone – now what? New GM, new plan.
Don’t know what ‘The Plan’ is, nor did I know it before.
I assume Brez will get input from KOC and BFlo on who and what type to target. So it would seem like those two would establish what to look for. Scouts would help identify players. I assume it could work as well as whatever KAM was doing.
I assume/hope that BFlo was given some assurances when he came back to the team so I expect he would have more input into ‘The Plan’, at least until a new GM is hired.
Clearly, it didn’t work for KAM on the the right draft picks.
What picks did he actually hit on? He drafted 28 players in 4 drafts, only 12 remain with the team and id say only 5 have made a significant positive impact, Donovan Jackson was solid even though he missed a couple games, Addison is a good player, though he is an idiot, Turner played very well down the stretch, Will the thrill is the biggest feather in Kwesi’s cap, all pro stud, and Nailor has developed nicely. He’s hit on some udfas but his drafts alone should have had him fired. The entire 2022 draft is likely gone now, nailor will get paid to be a #2 somewhere and Chandler never really developed, it included 4 of the first 66 picks. Maybe JJ works out and that makes things look a little better but he was terrible.
I thought, from reading here, the plan was to get a QB under a rookie deal and build a team around him.
If that’s correct, KOC may different feelings on what he wants out of the QB position. Thus, new plan and direction.
In sum, I have no real idea and I’m not even sure who has final say on what.
Plans change, I’m sure the rookie deal was the plan, but then JJ played all of a few snaps in one preseason game and missed the rest of the year while Darnold played well and they won a bunch of games. KAM stuck with the original plan while KOC wanted to bring back Darnold or Jones because he felt JJ may not be ready after not even practicing his entire rookie season. Obviously we know how it worked out. Most likely KOC will decide what to do at QB for the upcoming season and Brez will figure out the contract or trade required to bring in whoever to at least compete with JJ.
Plans do and should change. And it appears even after JJ’s injury, and Darnold’s strong performance, Kam wasn’t interested in a change of plans.
But it also seems to me, as we discussed yesterday, the root of the QB problem started with the draft of JJ – and KOC wan’t happy with that. Perhaps he wanted Nix or a trade up for Maye. And this is where I believe KAM was foolish. QB is the most important position in football and you have an “expert” about this, and don’t listen to him.
My take.
KOC will make and push for the personnel he wants. I think he becomes the de facto GM on personnel, while listening to scouts , etc…..
Brez will then fit that into the cap equation and will determine plausibility outcomes.
Final call is probably Brez, but I doubt he makes a move that pisses off KOC.
KOC will have final say on roster decisions, brezynskgrtsky will handle the cap, the scouting department will do what they normally do. The “plan” starts with making a decision at QB, and that’s 100% going to be on koc, after that they’ll make decisions on FAs and then the draft. Either way, I trust KOC and his coaching and scouting staff to make roster decisions way more than KAM.
Yep. That’s my take as well.
I’ll be curious to see what power the new GM has, I don’t think KOC has proven enough thus far in his career to demand final say on the roster beyond this offseason, but I’m not sure what the wilfs will do. I also don’t think KOC should be taking on even more responsibilities unless he is going to hire a legit OC and let them call plays.
Me too. Thought it was crazy for KAM to not listen to KOC about the QB position.
yeah, proverbial straw that broke the camels back as far as firing KAM, his drafts alone were reason enough but if everything is true about him going against coaches and scouts with QB decisions it was just the final nail.
This is where it gets interesting. What if McCarthy comes back this year and KOC has him penciled in as the starter? What if he is QB1?
I think KOC will bring in at least legit NFL caliber backup QB, if not a veteran who can at least be an average starting QB to compete with JJ. A few names of the top of my head would be Jimmy g, Daniel Jones, Malik Willis, Zach Wilson, or they could trade for Mac Jones, they could even bring back Wentz. I’m guessing KOC has made very clear to JJ what he needs to do this offseason to improve, and that he is guaranteed nothing next season.
I hope that is the plan. It’s sensible. If McCarthy is listed as the unquestioned starter though to start the new season, questions will be raised about the whole argument that KAM brought McCarthy in and KOC wasn’t thrilled about it.
Yeah, I mean JJ did play better after coming back from his last injury and generally the third year is when QBs improve the most so if comes into camp and looks better than anytime else so be it, if not he sits, but my biggest concern is the fact that he can’t stay on the field, you’re not going to get any better if you’re always in the training room.
Toughness and durability are question marks IMO when it comes to McCarthy. We just saw that Josh Allen played the last four games of the season with a broken bone in his foot, that required surgery. McCarthy had an ankle sprain that kept him off the field for 7 weeks. It’s a realistic concern to me.
Was KOC really keeping him off the field due to health concerns or because the kid was not ready to play at this level??
Fair question.
For sure seemed like both/and. If it was only about health, then why send out there Wentz and his ailing body?
If that report is true
Isn’t today Saturday?
Who knows or cares??
Welcome to retirement.
Women only care what men do, not what they feel.
Pretending to care about what we feel is how they manipulate us.
Truth.
I don’t know SoCal… women are tricky. A man spends his life working and earning money to pay for everything, buys her presents on her birthday, takes her to dinner, and in general tries to be a great provider. Then she finds some other guy she likes and divorces him.
It is the most important thing to a woman is to feel ‘safe, secure, and wanted’. If another man can give more of that to her then off she goes.
I think that’s what we think about women… they want to feel “safe, secure, and wanted”.
Then, they take off with a guy and leave us with all the bills.
‘Then, they take off with a guy and leave us with all the bills’
Usually with a ‘Bad Boy’ that they find exciting. They figure he will treat her better than every woman he has ever dealt with before, somehow.
Yep… my wife has many clients at the gym (men and women) who are actively looking for someone else. We talk about it, and agree that it’s just a fact of human nature.
I often wonder what I would do if ‘The Teacher’ decides to move on. I don’t expect that and certainly don’t want it to happen but figure it will be much less painful if I acknowledged that it was possible and had a ‘sort of’ plan in place.
You have to accept reality. If a person wants to be with someone else, it’s a very difficult, hurtful thing, but they aren’t going to change their minds. My wife had a guy after her when we were dating, and I told her to go be with him. She decided to spend two weeks with him in Texas on his ranch. She came back and said she loved me and wanted to be with me. Apparently he wasn’t all that when she was around him all the time.
Be open with your love, but know that nothing is guaranteed.
I will say that I think my willingness to move on without my wife showed her something about me. I proved to her I wanted her to be happy. I wanted her to have whatever it was she wanted. That seemed to make a difference.
The old ‘If you love someone let them go and if they come back it was meant to be’ thing??
I did that after I got back from basic training when she said she loved both me and the new guy. I let her go and never heard from her again. I figured out eventually that that was the best outcome.
Exactly… whatever will be will be. Accepting that is a healthy way to go through life.
I figure if she ‘loved me’ but found someone else in the six months I was off at BCT and AIT how could I trust that ‘love’ when I was deployed to Korea for a year??
Yes. I think being a military wife is the hardest job in the world, and staying together through a career like that is the truest test of devotion and love. No idea how my wife endured it. That separation in basic was a good test. Probably saved you a lot of heartache in the end.
Amen Brother.
Today it’s cloudy, looking like rain, and in the low 50’s as a high. Tomorrow it’s supposed to be the same, but at least 10 degrees cooler. Lows overnight are in the low 30’s. No golf for me. Too bad, because honestly my game might be the best it’s ever been. I hit a lot more good shots than poor ones, and not very many bad ones. Haven’t “ganked” a drive in months. Pitching and chipping the ball nicely, and putting very decently.
Alas… the weather is stalling me out.
‘Haven’t “ganked” a drive in months’
#nojinx
Sissy! Same weather here and I’m going to play this afternoon. Just like plating in NoVA in late October. Separates the emn from the boys.
“emn”
Is that new woke gender?
‘Eventually Men? Not!!’.
‘Separates the emn from the boys’
Is that Emu? You playing with barnyard animals now??
NLV being a military man, I use code words.
Me and you JR…
Me Three.
Definitely SoCal
Great answer JRob.
Laughing… used to be I played golf like the mailman… these days I don’t care to play while being cold or wet.
I used to run in all types of weather, even across a frozen lake once. After getting pneumonia twice I only run/power walk on an indoor track now.
Don’t be humble.
Tell us how great you really are.
NLNVF humble? I don’t really think that is his ‘thing’.
#grin
Laughing… I’m a confident person…
Oh Lord, it’s hard to be humble…
Laughing… you’re so personally affronted by me DE. Just like you are by Cousins news. It’s showing to all here though. You’re exposing yourself. Don’t be so butthurt.
I’m not butt hurt by anything.
Just not a fan of people who think they know everything. ie….You.
No.. you’re fixated on me and everyone here sees it. You’re definitely butthurt.
Sorry, I went down a rabbit hole. Mars Attacks is a great movie.
The hits just keep on coming…
Seems as so we almost lost BFlo this offseason due to KAM and his drama.
“Multiple sources said that defensive coordinator Brian Flores’ unusual decision to let his contract lapse, before signing a new deal that will pay him more than $6 million per season, was based in part on his unease with the direction of the front office. When asked last month if he wanted to remain with the Vikings, Flores noted that he loved working for the Wilfs and with O’Connell, and loved living in Minnesota, but did not mention Adofo-Mensah.”
Kevin Seifert, ESPN
This kind of “detective work” by pundits bugs me. If you don’t mention someone directly in a response to a question, suddenly that’s proof you had issues with them. All this 20/20 hindsight sleuthing is really annoying to me.
Seems like a ‘passive aggressive’ Minn thing to do/say.
Yeah, all of a sudden, everyone knew there was internal discord with KAM after the fact.
‘everyone knew’
I didn’t know jack sh*t, still don’t.
Just stumbling around in the dark trying to make sense of it all.
Which is pretty much the story of my life.
Same… there was no indication that there was internal discord that I picked up on. I never thought hiring Kam was a good idea, in fact, I thought it was ridiculously stupid, but I never got the sense that anyone in the organization felt the way I did.
Jalen Reagor… one of the bigger misses in that draft, and we benefitted by getting Jefferson. Why we brought Reagor in to our team later, after this, is a mystery.
They needed a returner, that’s why they bright in reagor
Yep. That was the main reason.
Here is something that came out of the Epstein files release, that is circulating in certain circles as proof Trump was involved in sex trafficking with Epstein.
Except, the Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdes did not exist in 1995-1996.
Looks like the ‘Rumor Section’ of the report.
No actual facts just things people said about what the heard about what other people said.
‘Winessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a party’, seems like if there was any truth to that old Robin would be in jail.
This is one reason I think Trump was reticent initially about releasing all the files. He said a lot of innocent people would be hurt. There are many false reports that were filed and proven to be completely without merit like this one, but people with bad intentions will still use them to destroy others.
Well good morning everyone and welcome to another day of “As the Vikings World Turns”. Lots of pundits out there now all talking about how “everybody knew” there was internal bickering about KAM. Saw a recent post on twitter saying that “no one ever liked him from the start”. It’s ugly.
I find it funny though that there was no one for the last four years who said anything about this internal discord, and now suddenly, everybody knew about it all along.
SKOL and FTP!
FTP Auto Rec.
Do you really openly talk about that fact that your boss is no good while he is still your boss? That seems like a good way to get fired. Do you tell other people that your boss was not good after they get fired? It is a lot safer that way, and yes, people do that all the time.
I have often told my Boss that his Boss was Ass. My Boss agreed so it was all good.
The last time I heard that phrase……
This is true.
I will say that these leaks are likely coming from KOCs camp at the moment. I’m sure KOC has some dirt on his hands with some of the personnel moves.
I suspect in the coming weeks we will get stories about what KOC did to fuel the situation.
I would still put 90% of the issues on KAM for now.
But KOCs seat is getting hotter.
We will see when a new GM is hired.
He might be a KOC guy or he might be looking to bring his own HC. This offseason is a lot more interesting now.
Have you ever worked anywhere, where people didn’t talk about the boss? Really? Yet the “insiders” never said a word… Will Ragatz, Schefter, Pelissero, etc. Not a peep.
Everywhere I have worked, people have talked about the boss, but not out in the open. There is chatter around the smoking pit, commiserating around the water cooler and whispering in the lunch room. People are people, so they are going to talk, but people also want to keep their job and don’t want to go to another job labeled as one of those people. I have seen plenty of times where everyone in a department knew that the boss was bad and talked about it, but it didn’t come out to the rest of the company or world that the boss was bad until the boss was fired.
‘Smoking Pit’??
Sounds ominous.
I have never smoked, so I was trying to think of a good word for the area outside where the smokers hang out during their break. Smoking pit does sound ominous. It probably is ominous.
We had designated smoking areas at the prison. First it was just ‘outside’ then it was ‘100 ft away from a building’, then it was ‘not on prison grounds’ which of course became ‘anywhere they could get away with it’.
Man, that post is truly amazing. That first line ‘there was internal disagreement when drafting JJ’ speaks volumes. I could be wrong, but that means to me KOC (the true QB expert of the group) wanted to go another way.
No wonder things got so f’d up.
I wonder if it wasn’t just the coaching staff, but possibly the scouts as well that weren’t sold on JJ. I didn’t have a problem with the pick, but my job also isn’t on the line.
That’s what it sounds like.
JJ is likely gone.
And the set up going forward seems to be KOC getting a QB he wants.
So, some people didn’t want JJ, likely coaching staff, KAM drafted him anyway as he has final say on the roster, then he missed his entire rookie season, Darnold played well until he sucked the last couple games. Then some people wanted to keep either Darnold or Jones, most likely the coaching staff, but both choose elsewhere for allegedly more money or a better opportunity to start. The QB position wasn’t the only situation where there was disagreement on personnel decisions, there were multiple others according to reports, but it was obviously the one that brought things to a head and based on the results, JJ being oft injured and inconsistent while Jones was an mvp candidate before injury and Darnold now leading his team to the Super owl, it’s easy to see who would be getting fired if someone was to be.
There is another story about Maye where the Vikings were close to acquiring the 3rd pick, but KAM didn’t want to give up too much. Not sure of the particulars though.
🤯
I doubt this. I don’t think McCarthy has any trade value. He’s just about the lowest rated QB in the league.
Not so Kumbaya then?
Nope.
Wreck and zim all over again
Sounds like it.
“collaboration”
So do you think KOC called McCarthy today to let him know he had his back, he was QB1, and all was well?
I think KAM is a money man’ and he was looking at the money savings that could be realized by having a rookie QB. I think it blinded him a bit to the risks associated. He was willing to take Sam and probably Jones on as a 1 year stopgap but when they both chose longer options, or better chance to start, he rolled the dice on JJ (QB) and lost.
I think KOC let JJ McFragile know today that he will get a chance to compete for the QB1 along with a competent vet and that he hopes JJ Mac wins it. I don’t think he offered him much more than his support.
Totally agree that from the start KAM’s objective was to have a QB on a rookie contract, and get rid of Cousins and his big contract. That makes money sense. Thus far it hasn’t worked out for the team though. Only Cousins and Darnold have been able to run the offense effectively to date, and KAM wasn’t interested in paying either one long term.
The Wilf’s likely were unhappy with how his plan worked out.
LOL….😆
DEI hires.
A question as I normally don’t pay that much attention to this stuff – or at least not close enough.
Is it normal to just fire the GM?
I seem to remember a lot of HC’s getting fired, even the GM and the HC, but don’t remember much where the GM gets the ax and the coach stays.
It’s rare, since the GM hires the coach.
Usually, but the Falcons hired Stefanski, and are now looking to hire a GM.
Depends on the structure, the Vikings have had an odd situation dating back to the rhombus of responsibility or whatever it was called. Both under the last regime and with KAM and KOC both the HC and GM report to ownership directly with gm having final say on all roster decisions. In both the last two situations the coaching staff and GM had issues with personnel decisions, remember zim just getting up and leaving the draft room because wreck pickled Mond, and ultimately people got fired. I’m guessing part of b-Flo taking DC interviews before signing with the Vikings had to do with influence on player acquisition, for example he did not want Marcus Davenport. What really sealed Kam’s fate is he was not good at drafting and apparently didn’t listen to his coaching staff either.
Dodecahedron of Decision, bro. It was the Dodecahedron of Decision.
Triangle of Authority
Great man… prayers for him.
Hope he is not in one of those Hospices in LA County. Turns out many are bogus ran by crooks that are first cousins to the Minneapolis crowd.
I heard that is the Armenians and investigating that is racist against the Armenian people. Just ignore the the fact that 20% of the total hospice funds in the entire US go to LA county.
I might get to go the Canadia for work in a couple months. Actually kind of excited for it.
Stay out of jail.
It’s just Vancouver, what could possibly go wrong at work conference that will likely involve a good amount of alcohol?
Vancouver is a beautiful city. You should have a great time, lots to do and see.
Plenty of alcohol
Good to hear. Not sure how much free time there will be though unless I just stay an extra day.
Laughing…
I mean, we’re all professionals, and I definitely didn’t end up at the bar in Charleston with somebody who loudly proclaimed to some random guy we met that he had a slave room in his house the last time I went to this conference.
OMG… laughing so hard…
Enjoy Canadia then, mate. And rejoice, because Queasy has been fired. Brighter days ahead for the Vikings, I hope.
If those Minnesotans can plan their “protests” right, then maybe the NFL will throw em a bone and give em one.
I have thought this for a while
What’s funny is, within an hour of KAM being fired, these stories started cropping up. Before a few hours ago, there was zero reporting along these lines. Now, suddenly people know all about what happened behind closed doors.
it fits my narrative and….
There were rumors that some in the organization wanted to keep Sam. Guess we now know who was the one doing the pressuring for starting “Nine”…
Do we? Tons of people throwing conjecture around right now. I think the dust needs to settle before we start believing narratives.
Did you watch JJ play in the first two games – he was about as ready as I am.
And we talked about that here. I have no doubt KOC damn well knew what he was talking about.
Yeah. I do have hope for the future though with some of what I saw after that. Kind of sounding like maybe KOC was trying to protect JJ at the start. Doesn’t make me lose hope and none of the reports have said KOC thought JJ couldn’t do it, just that he wasn’t ready for it after missing all of last year. Time for Kirk to come back for a year, let JJ learn in practice and watch the shitshow I guess.
JJ may turn out good or not, I’m not sure.
But wht bothered me this year – and this may not be on JJ – there’s Allen playing with a broken foot, Rogers playing with a broken hand, and what’s his name from the Chargers played half the season with a broken hand. And JJ couldn’t play with a sore ankle that was only 95% healed.
That was how I felt. He had to be completely healthy before he could play. I mean fully healed. Just made no sense to me.
And they were claiming he NEEDED to get on the field and take snaps.
Yeah… and honestly reps are definitely needed and important. But back in the day, players had to prove they were ready in practice before they took the reins. These days, fans think a college kid should come in, be the leader of the team, and fail badly for three years because he was a high draft pick. That is just dumb.
Allen, Rodgers and Herbert are experienced QBs. KOC has talked since before he was the Vikings about the proper development of a young QB.
But I believe KOC also said what JJ needed was actual playing time.
And it really doesn’t matter at this point. The kid just needs to learn to play.
Riiiiiiiiight
A quantitative analyst, or “quant,” is a finance professional who uses advanced mathematical, statistical, and programming skills to develop trading strategies, price derivatives, and manage risk. This was Kwesi’s background before entering the NFL.
He was hired in 2022 after roles in Cleveland’s analytics department. He didn’t really have a football background, but his experience in using analytics both financially and in the NFL apparently convinced the Wilf’s he could build and manage a team effectively.
Now they need to go find a football guy again. One name to consider: Bills Assistant GM Terrance Gray. He spent many years with the Vikings before climbing the ladder with the Bills, whose results speak for themselves. He fits the “football” mold.
Bring in Belichek or Polian. Swing for the fences. I would also absolutely love Pat Kirwan.
Remember a year or so back, we had a discussion about letting the bean counters run the organization?
Yes, we’ve talked about it. When the Vikings hired KAM I was not onboard at all. After his first draft when he bypassed Kyle Hamilton and took Cine, I was really mad. I think the Wilf’s took a shot in doing something slightly abstract hiring him, and now they’re having to admit to themselves it was a bad plan poorly executed.
I’ll give them that it was a bad plan, but they took a shot. At least they had the wherewithal to admit their mistake and move on. I’m curious what happens with KOC now though.
You can take a shot, and you can take a smart shot.
As far as KOC, his offense is not so good without at least good QB play. If he doesn’t get that, he’s gone too.
Is there any coach that can have a good offense without a good QB?
Exactly.
The QB matters.
Of course the QB matters.
But don’t you think there is a difference between elite, good, adequate, and poor play?
Sure.
The better the QB, the more wins a team will likely have.
Probably not too many. An offense like the Niners and Eagles doesn’t require a QB that’s a great thrower, and they have QB friendly concepts.
Believe KOC has a pretty complex system that requires a lot of the QB – throwing and brain power.
there’s guys here that know more bout QB play than me, maybe they can chime in.
Just looking at KOC’s teams here, when we had good QB play, we won a lot of games.
Is it true? Queasy has been fired? Bookface said they fired him. Also, reinstate Paul ASAP.
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Yep
Who’s Paul?
PA
You know, the voice of the Vikings. Oh wait, he wasn’t fired.
OK, never heard anybody refer to him as Paul and didn’t realize the Vikings had removed him from the 206 broadcasts. If they did, it was probably just to make room for Kirk.
He mentioned on a broadcast that the protesters were all paid, and people went berserk on him. He said it was a joke and apologized, but he’s currently sitting at home, off the air.
I thought that was just the local AM radio show though. I didn’t realize the Vikings got involved. I mean, it doesn’t surprise me, I just didn’t know.
Yeah… I sent him a message telling him he shouldn’t be punished for telling the truth, and lots of folks know he wasn’t wrong. Told him to hang in there.
He likes to be the story whenever possible.
His ego is large.
Good for us…
So 25 million of the Vikings overage by 40 million is gone, just like that!
Not exactly. Folks were expecting the cap would be around $295M. So if they move it up to $305M that’s about a $10M improvement.
bryz the wiz already doing damage!!!!
But you said the Vikings were doomed with no cap space…..
I said we were $48M in the hole based on the projection that came out a couple days ago. I said we would have to restructure contracts and that would cost the Wilf’s a lot of cash up front when we converted salaries to bonuses. I said that would force us to balance restructures with operational cash on hand.
We’re in the second worst cap shape in the league.
I never, ever, said we were “doomed”. Stop lying on me.
Sounds pretty doomy to me, constantly crying about cap space.
When you say I said something DE….make damn sure I said it.
You’ve cried about the 2026 cap space since at least August.
Oh so now stating reality is crying? Laughing… grow up butter cup.
I’m just pointing out that you’re saying you didn’t say what you’ve said since August. Are they in the best position? No. But, they do have contracts structured in a way that they will be fine. They can be in a bad spot today and also have any easy way to fix it. You guys keep arguing about something stupid because you keep bringing up where they’re at as of today. Didn’t see this argument when they were overpaying a QB for no results, even with a top defense and a team that went to the NFC Championship game the year before he showed up.
I stated the truth.
That’s not how online discussions work!
You did say it.
LOL.
You are an internet tough guy.
Nobody better mess with you or else!!
Never ever said it so you’re lying through your teeth here again. Folks will see you lying DE. That’s the reputation you’re building here. Just lie about stuff and think that your good. Nope. Not good. Every time you lie, I’ll call you out.
Oh sure, I finally go ice fishing and the Vikings fire Kwesi…. and I find out right as the fish start to bite!
Mark Wilf said somewhat repeatedly in his presser that it wasn’t any one thing, but rather a cumulative thing over the last four years that led to today’s decision to move forward without Kwesi. Several times reporters tried to nail him down on specific things, but he didn’t take the bait.
Have to say KAM left us in a mess. $48M in the hole for cap space and QB situation that’s less than ideal. No way to really offer a solid deal to anyone of note to come in and back up McCarthy.
I disagree.
Teams manage the cap space every year.
KOC/Brezinski will figure out a roster.
Brez is a cap wizard. Hock, Fries and Jones will be gone and probably Greenard. Hargrave likely as well. Couple other restructures and they’ll be fine.
I’m sure Kirk will come back for vet minimum so he can retire in MN.
So as long as we gut the talent, we’ll be fine…
Hock and Hargrave contributed very little. Aaron Jones is over priced.
Its not a bad as you think doomer…..
Yeah… just cut 5 starters… no big deal.
Just because they were starters doesn’t mean they should have been starters. Greenard leaving I wouldn’t be worried about. I think Turner has shown enough when he’s got a chance to play.
This is just the way people roll sometimes though. They minimize things to create the illusion of zero effect. No big deal… nothing to see here… all’s well. Don’t worry, be happy.
The fact is the team is in bad financial shape, and that will have an impact. Pretending it won’t is just being disingenuous.
You were perfectly happy to ignore the financial impact for a certain player. I guess it only matters if it’s because of everybody but not the most important player on the team with no real success in their career.
You’re lying on me again Bow. I said I understood completely KAM’s fiscal position on Cousins, and I didn’t necessarily disagree with his position. THAT is what I said.
Turner will be good, but Greenard is great. His only issue is finishing a sack. Gets tons of pressure
Hock is overpriced. Kelly is sadly concussion prone and should retire
Greenard is the starter that I think we will miss the most. Having three starter worthy OLBs to rotate thru might be a luxury we can no longer afford.
fries isn’t going anywhere, Kelley will though
Kelley for sure.
I think Fries is on the fence.
He’s expensive, but also was their best lineman last year, he actually played all the time and was good, everyone else was hurt at some point or underperformed
And KOC is going to get fired next if they don’t get the QB position fixed.
Vikings can move off of Greenard, Hargrave, Hockenson, Fries and Aaron Jones and gain $43 million in cap space.
Spotrac has it had -40 million.
I’m just happy that they got rid of Queasy.
I am too. Didn’t like the hire from the start. Had to do the whole wait and see thing. Finally over, four years later.
Same.
Hey Kathy, great to see you! Hope all is well!
Howdy Stranger.
So I’m guessing KOC will be making the decisions on draft picks with Brezinski as the front man.
KOC/BFlo chooses the players and Brez makes the trades?
Maybe.
Drafting I think it will be mostly KOC making the calls.
Burrow, BUrrow, BURRow, BURROW… !!
Yes. Trade JJ and Addison plus a first, or two, for Burrow.
Get Burrow and we can figure the rest of it out.
This should be fun
TMI…
I change my mind, Mr. President. Please stop releasing the Epstein files.
The whole effort to destroy Trump by tying him to Epstein was doomed to fail. The Dems were pushing a guilty by association smear campaign that they let spiral out of control, insisting Trump was having sex with young girls. Then they couldn’t let it go, demanding the files be released, again intoning Trump would be found out as a pedophile. They’ve just succeeded in getting some of their biggest financial backers and party leaders in deep trouble.
You think anything is actually going to happen? You’re crazy.
Hide the face of Epstein but show the face of a victim.
I guess that’s America 2026.
I know, the Kwesi news is big, but this made me giggle.
So tax payers kids don’t get what they paid for because teachers decide to protest? Sue the hell out of them.
My wife has a niece that lives in the Cities. I think it was last week, she wanted to go out to some museums for her birthday (she mustn’t get out much), however, all the museums where closed so that the staff could go protest.
The MIA is cool, and free…
Nothing will happen…
You are wrong.
Something will happen.
They will get raises.
Obviously Trump is just a dictator arresting impartial journalists. Just ignore the fact that he broke multiple federal laws, knowingly.
‘Knowingly’??
I don’t think he is that smart.
He literally said on live TV that they were getting ready to go do something that he couldn’t say yet and that he was going with and helping.
FAFO
Well that’s kind of a kick in the teeth….. RIP.
great actress
she was GREAT in schitts creek.
that’s surprising and sad
Never watched it, but I have watched Home Alone a lot.
She really was pretty good in everything she had been in. Plays off Eugene Levy really well.
I know this won’t happen…. Can’t happen probably but…..
Go Get Howie Roseman.
that is all
Bill Polian might be interested.
Wouldn’t necessarily hate that.
just impressed with what Howie has done in Filthy…..
I’m happy that the Wilfs had the gonads to try something different at GM.
any news today fellers?!?
@Nothing Major@
I believe the odds on the return of Kirko just skyrocketed……
I’d be fine with it on a true team friendly deal.
$20 to $25 million per year.
Same.
Not sure if Kirko’s agent would allow that though.
New GM????
Who are they going to bring in for GM? Tim Walz will be looking for a job soon. He is very football knowledgeable. He would be the perfect candidate.
Yep, a volunteer assistant High School Coach would be a very Viking thing to do.
Run the pick six!
AOC can be his assistant!
Riots in the street incoming…..
@Just another somali fraudster kicked out of MN@
I just came here to post that.
They just extended him?
They better have a good option in mind/hand.
i thought they did? or was it just KOC?
either way exciting and also like….whattttttttttttttt
KOC was extended first and the KAM after the last draft is memory serves.
Yep, May of 2025 per the InterWeb thingie.
I’m surprised. The Wilf’s don’t usually pull the trigger so fast on this kind of stuff. Surprised, yes. Happy, yes.
Yep.
Not mad at all….
He fixed the roster mess that Slick left him, we are a better long term situation I believe.
He did fail on the QB situation but that is as much hindsight as anything else. Behind the scene there must have been a lot more going on. Vikings ownership is not known for ‘knee-jerk’ reactions.
pure speculation from me, but I think coach wanted to keep Sam or Daniel Jones more than Kwesi was willing to open up the purse strings.
This is also screaming for a new GM to maybe listen to Flores and KOC when it comes time to draft.
Logical take.
Could be.
I just don’t think the Vikings had the cap space to pay Darnold.
Could they have done other contracts? Sure. But $35 million per year was a bit rich given the Vikings cap space.
But I agree.
I think the QB decisions were likely the reasons.
From what I have gleaned from the ‘expert speculators’ was that they offered Sam 1 year but the Seachickens offered him 3. So he went with the longer option.
And Jones was offered even more than his deal with Baltimore but he went where he had a better chance to start.
No idea how accurate those takes are but they make some sense at least.
The only fault in your logic, is the Colts are in Indianapolis.
The Bastards, playing games with the hearts and minds of old time NFL fans like that.
That plus more than 1/2 the free agent signings did not pan out and his draft track record is bad.
Sounds like cap guru Rob B will guide them through the draft.
Yup, official statement.
‘Effective immediately, Executive Vice President of Football Operations Rob Brzezinski will lead our operations through the 2026 NFL Draft. Rob brings tremendous credibility and experience, understands our roster and has the ability to build consensus and rely on the expertise of our personnel and coaches. After the draft, we intend to conduct a thorough search to identify our next general manager. Building a team that can contend for championships drives us every day, and we look forward to bringing our fans the success they so deserve. – Mark & Zygi Wilf’
That is surprising.
KAM FIRED!!!!!!!!!
WOW!
Does that mean he had final say in QB fiasco?
that’s what i’m thinking.
that or he’s the scapegoat….
but i wouldn’t be shocked if his idiot brain screwed that one up
Makes me feel better about the upcoming draft, given that they get the right guy in as a replacement of course.
Yeah, the guy that they won’t hire for a couple of weeks and will then have missed the Senior Bowl, will at best be coming in with KAM’s scouting crew and have almost no information. This should go well.
This never works out well for the head coach either and being this late to the game puts them even more behind the 8 ball.
Just get rid of that money ball sheet or whatever he used and pick players who play. Easy peasy.
Flo wants more pass rushers…
A Run Stuffing NT who can pressure up the middle is at/near the top of priority list for me. There are several near the top of the draft.
The question become is that the priority over a CB/S type. FA might solve one of those or a short trade back might net you one of each. Of course that option comes with even more risk then a single selection would.
Agreed. Interior d-line or defensive back is a high priority. I would like to see an Aaron Jones replacement as well, but with the RBs set to hit free agency, that might be a possibility there.
I wonder how active we might be in FA though. We’re almost $50M in the hole to start the season. Our contracts next year are very salary heavy, meaning that can be converted to bonuses and spread out, creating space; so they can get plenty of space without cutting a single player. But once that salary is converted to a bonus it becomes “guaranteed “ and the Wilfs need to pony it up right then, upping the immediate $ commitment. Even billionaires only have so much liquid cash on hand to dole out, so the front office needs to work within their budget.
Freeing up cap space, and still having operating cash on hand is going to be a balancing act.
I doubt they can go after the ‘top end high cost FAs’. But middle tier with high upside or bargain basement they believe may develop are possible.
Prioritys are important obviously and it is always a ‘balancing act’.
KAM has had better luck with UFDA’s imo.
Load the team up with draft picks and ufda’s and see what sticks.
I believe high picks are more better than lots of 7th rounders. KAM does well with those UDFAs which are about equal with 7th rounders.
Fewer/better players drafted plus UDFAs seems to be a better play given our situation and strengths.
I would like to see them bring in fat guy from Gators 400 lbs but cheap to clog the middle. Bucs told him to diet so he isn’t on any team at the moment. Might work might not but can get him for practice squad price
Might be the answer to the Tush Push.
OK…
How was Miami’s O-line the last couple years?
Not good at protecting Tua from concussions.
Well over the course of the season, they showed significant improvement, transitioning from a projected bottom-tier unit into a mid-level or better group by the end of the season. They developed into a strength that helped the team win five of six games in the latter part of the season.
That’s good I guess. Especially if he can get units better and I think talent wise the Vikings probably have a better group (if Darrisaw can stay healthy this year).
We definitely had injury issues with the O-line this year. Darrisaw tried to come back and play, but let’s face it, that was a tough road to hoe. I’m hopeful that by the first week of the regular season in September his knee is much better. O’Neill was also injured a bit, as was the rookie. Kelly, the center we brought in, had repeated concussion issues too. Fries was the only one who got through the season without missing time. If we get a healthy unit, with a good O-line coach, I think we can actually field a pretty good line.
Ditto
‘a tough road to hoe’
Who brought up Hanoi Jane?
*old Army Joke*
Old Air Force joke too.
literally middle of the road in sacks given up last year, 16th in the league, quite a bit better than the Vikings though
i was gonna say, i’ll gladly take middle of the road
Djoker is the GOAT, probably have a couple more grand slam wins if he hadn’t been banned from playing during the pandemic for not taking the vaccine
https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/2017245257130258476?s=46
He’s a stud, but he’s going to have a tough final. Hope he can pull it off.
We’ll see if the old man has anything left in the tank, I’m hoping he can pull another rabbit out of his old ass against these guys almost 20 years younger than him. It’ll be a bit sad when he finally retires as it will be the end of the greatest era in tennis history, only 3 men have won 20 or more grand slams and they all played in their prime at the same time.
Actually saw one of his matches live at the US Open last summer.
I’d never been to a pro tennis match before.
He won.
Was cool seeing him play.
Tennis is my favorite sport, always wanted to go to flushing meadows and see the us open live, but I have not had the chance yet, hopefully I can make it someday before Djoker retires
My brother got mad when I told him we went.
So if there is a next time for me, I will have to let him and you know.
Thanks for the new thread Bow.
Hey Mjolner, thanks for the update on Madison. My heart goes out to your family. It doesn’t help in these situations when additional drama has to come into the situation.
I am continuing to offer up prayers.
Probably satire, but the sad part is I can’t be sure because there are people out there that are actually that dumb. Even sadder part is that they vote and their vote counts as much as yours.
Of course it’s real.
You have kids graduating from HS ( think DC and Baltimore) that can’t read or do arithmetic at the fourth grade level.
Now, I’m not sure where the line is between dumb and uneducated.
Yeah. My wife is student teaching right now, HS biology and the average student at that particular public school reads at a 4th grade level. Kids that haven’t been to class yet this school year will still pass. She sent a kid to the office the other day because he showed up higher than a kite and they sent him back and said he probably just smells like weed because he went home for lunch and his parents were probably smoking and ignored the fact that he was obviously blitzed himself.
I would really like that money to go to my bank account and maybe I could move out of town, but after she’s been in a couple of the public schools, I don’t see any way I can take my kids out of private school. I guess I’ll just suck it up because the kiddos come first.
If you live in that kind of school district, the sacrifices of giving your children a good and safe education is worth the effort. Many years ago, we moved out of a larger city. A lot of that was because I wanted to live in the country, but also another large part of it was because I did not want my kids going to that school district. Smaller rural school districts, at least in our area, were better at that time.
For sure. One of my coworkers’ daughter was going to transfer out of the same school my wife is currently at because of academics so I was trying to convince him to send her to the private school. I tried looking up some of the school statistics and was utterly appalled at the graduation rates and such of the public schools. The public schools in Billings graduate a lower percentage of students than the private school has accepted to college, and BCS has students go to some of the best colleges and military academies every year. The kids come first and it’ll be worth it in the long run, even if it means waiting an extra couple of years for my slice of God’s country.
We lived in one of the highest ranked public school districts in the country. Still, we discovered quickly (first child, first year) there was far, far too much “alternative” history, CRT and all of that.
Thus, like you we footed the bill for private schools. And, looking back, it was one of the smartest decision we ever made.
Thanks for your stories. It definitely makes me feel better about continuing it. I know it’s the best thing, but paying that bill makes a guy wonder. Now that I’m more involved in the school too, I should probably ride it out. I don’t know if they’d appreciate a board member taking his kids out of the school.
It is worth it. We moved from MPLS (where I grew up) to south of the river burbs because I did not want my kids growing up in that area. Schools are supposedly good where we live, but we still went the private/homeschool route until high school. It was well worth it. Both kids coasted through public HS with above 4.0 GPAs and several honors and AP classes that earned them college credits.
College is where both kids fell into the liberal trap, and they have become kind but very misguided adults.
I did what I could…..
‘The Best You Can Do Is The Best You Can Do’.
My Son conservative and my Daughter is Liberal, my nieces and nephews are mostly apolitical but lean left being raised in Commifornia.
All six of them are also kind and intelligent, they can all also think for themselves and are successful adults. I consider it a win as I expect them to become more conservative as they mature, my daughter has.
The education system needs to be retooled. First of all, politicians need to be out of the education system. Second of all, the kids and parents need to be held responsible for making sure that the education system does it’s job. A small percent of the class that has educational, mental, social or psychological issues should not lower or hinder the education that everyone else needs. Our society has tended to move toward a philosophy that everyone has to be involved in everything, but that is really a fallacy. We are doing more harm to our students and society with that philosophy than we are doing good.
I would really like to see some real School Choice legislation. Maybe if there are private options kicking the crap out of the public schools in success rates and the public school enrollment drops they will learn to hold parents and students accountable. Long term I think full privatization of the education system is better, but that has it’s own problems too.
I don’t know if there are any simple answers. In my mind, if people would stop being selfish stupid brats, that would go a long way in helping, but that’s never going to happen. We just need some strong state and national leadership, with a mind for education, not politics, to get us headed in the right direction.
I’m all for school choice. Those poor kids that have to go to school in places like DC have zero chance.
But I do believe there is more to this than learning reading and arithmetic. Almost all the public schools have teachers (from their union) that have an agenda and it is progressive and liberal as hell – white people are oppressors and all of that. Even many private schools learn very liberal.
Finding the right school can be very challenging.
My wife and daughter teach at a local public school here.
K through 2nd.
Pretty sad hearing the stories about kids being abused, neglected and asking for food.
My daughter is spec ed teacher.
She just got a kid in her class whose dad just got locked up in prison.
Public Schools suck.
Not the teachers fault. Usually. The whole system is just rotten from the top down.
So do what the dems do. Send their kids to private schools for a real education.
It is a multi layered problem.
Politicians, woke admins, teachers, parents, spoiled kids all contribute to it. Lots of teachers give up fighting the Policies and Principals and just go thru the motions. The Teacher says those who give up focus on ‘recess and arts and crafts’. That way kids are happy so parents are happy so administrators are happy. It is not good long term for the kids but short term it makes the teachers job much easier.
Yeah true.
Every since they took prayer out of schools in 70’s………
(just my useless take)
‘If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything’.
If prayer was still in school, could you imagine how many groups would be demanding that their kind of prayer be recognized?