Minnesota Vikings Discussion – SkolAsylum: 31 May 2023

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Wow, it’s the last day of May already, the year is flying by far too fast. Not a lot of news coming out of the Vikings camp or from anywhere else in the NFL, for that matter. Thank God for fishing and baseball!

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Minnesota Vikings News:

From TwinCities.com, HC O’Connell is not concerned about JJ’s absence from OTAs. Neither is anyone else who is in their right mind.

The Vikings are to hold joint practices with the Cardinals and Titans this year, according to SI.com.

Kwesi-Adofo Mensah hosted a mental health panel for high schoolers, details at Vikings.com.

From CBS Sports, former HC Jon Gruden is helping the Saints offense and Derek Carr at Saints OTAs. I still think Gruden got screwed over.

CBS Sports looks at top candidates to be cut after June 1st.

Video of the Day:

Here’s a great tune from Loudon Wainright called Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road. Enjoy!

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VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:28 pm

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Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 3:39 pm

Mullens to Cine

KFEY93
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:03 pm

Neat little Over head TV setup they got there. Think thats for coaches to show players in real time an all 22 type view so they can understand where they fucked up easier?

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:21 pm

It’s good he is back.
Can’t take the plays too seriously though.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:20 pm

LOL

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 5:54 pm

Lol Cine still can’t beat out Bynum and possibly looking at QB1 next season

Northwoods
Reply to  SkoIdiers
1 June 2023 8:59 am

Can’t move up the depth chart until he proves he can move up the depth chart.

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 3:36 pm

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:08 pm

WTF?! Explain that one to me. FFS. Emergency vehicles with light and traffic everywhere.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 4:12 pm

Bookface.

MT Viking
Reply to  norseman1
31 May 2023 5:02 pm

Pisses me off royally.

KFEY93
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 4:51 pm

21 as well. She was on the Tok, shes probably on the Tok now in the hospital if she isnt paralyzed.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
31 May 2023 3:00 pm

So what do you guys in North Dakota think of this guy getting his Murder charged reduced to Manslaughter after running over and killing an 18 year old he ‘thought’ was a Republican Extremest?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/shannon-brandt-pleads-guilty-manslaughter-charge-death-north-dakota-teen

stuman55
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
31 May 2023 3:04 pm

Kind of BS imo. Guy was drunk and, of course, as a left leaning fella, “felt threatened” by “republican extremist” who was half his age. I would say there’s a near 100% chance that this drunk loser got into some argument and couldn’t use logic to state his case, young kid made him feel like a fool and this dude turned to violence. We’ve seen it on social media umpteen times and I would estimate this is the same.

This is clearly my opinion but seems far more likely than some tragic accident… particularly given he admitted to running him over right away, then said he felt scared and he was on his car, then admitted he lied about that part.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 3:07 pm

loser got into some argument and couldn’t use logic to state his case, young kid made him feel like a fool and this dude turned to violence. We’ve seen it on social media Skoloholics umpteen times

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:32 pm

Watching some of the Liberal Meltdowns here I could see that happening.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 3:21 pm

So the reduction of the charge was BS?

That was my original thought but then I was wondering if that was something the N.D. Court System would do?

Article made is seem like he was overcharged, again not something I would think would happen in N.D.

Hence my asking the locals.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
31 May 2023 3:06 pm

@this happens to everybody. stop playing politics.@

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 6:53 pm

OK DESlusher

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 6:18 pm

i agree…same for the subway choke hold guy who killed the Michael Jackson dancer dude. Lock’’em up.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 7:33 pm

That guy did a public service and didn’t even get paid, he’s a bargain

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 7:34 pm

Amen,
Typical Marine, duty first.

stuman55
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 3:05 pm

sweet

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 3:08 pm

Too hot.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 6:19 pm

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 6:54 pm

I think that’s the goal.

No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:41 pm

Regarding the state of Jefferson’s extension talks, KOC said “I don’t know if I’d put a timeline on it. I just know that, you know, we very much are looking forward to having Justin play here for a really long time. He has significantly impacted our organization in so many positive ways on and off the field. I look forward to when we get that done, and we can move forward knowing that Justin’s going to be here for the long term, and we will get that done.”

Neither KAM nor KOC have ever said anything remotely that definitive regarding Cousins, which is why I feel strongly they don’t see him here long term.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:46 pm

Even if he retires a Viking, I don’t see Cousins time being “long term.” He is nearing the end of his career, per the norm. At the most, I doubt he plays more than about 4 years.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 2:48 pm

Yep. The sun is setting.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:47 pm

Neither KAM nor KOC have ever said anything remotely that definitive regarding Cousins, which is why I feel strongly they don’t see him here long term

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 2:53 pm

Why do you need a hug?

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:56 pm

Actually, I figured you might need a hug, if Cousins is gone.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 3:07 pm

Laughing… DE you really do not know me.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 4:46 pm

I know that you have served our country with honor and generally are a good dude. Thank you for your service!

I know from your Cousins, KAM and KOC takes that Cousins can do no wrong, and that you think KAM and KOC are failing, even though they had a 13-4 record.

My guess is when Cousins is gone, you will be in full blame KAM mode.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 4:58 pm

See, you know me not. “Cousins can do no wrong” towards me is a false narrative. You take the data I present that supports the fact he’s an excellent QB and translate that into he can do no wrong. I usually argue false narratives and faulty logic regarding Cousins because so many folks shout this stuff out and deride him unfairly. Also, I never said anything about failing for KAM and KOC. I have said KOC’s scheme resulted in a regression of the offense and the defense was terrible under him in his first year. Those are facts. Your comment that we won 13 games means the team did not fail last year. Finally the “deals” KAM has made are weak sauce in my opinion, and other than Hock and Z. Smith, I’m not seeing him do much (yet) to build a Championship team.

Taking negative or positive commentary to mean I love or hate any person, is a conclusion folks need to make some adjustments on.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:53 pm

I see signs for the State Of Jefferson whenever I travel thru Norther Cal/Southern Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 2:56 pm

JJ – 23 almost 24

Kirk – 34 almost 35

apples to oranges.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:01 pm

LOL.
It’s almost a totally different football generation.
Not sure why he is so butt hurt about Cousins possibly being gone.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:06 pm

Regardless of this non sequitur argument, my point remains. The coach has publicly said they will sign JJ long term and keep him here. KAM said they’re at a point where they don’t agree so they’re basically on pause with Cousins.

The apples and oranges are they want to keep JJ, and they don’t want to keep Cousins. That’s fine too, because the NFL is a business. Contracts are written for one reason, to establish ownership rights of the player. The player signs a contract that says “I will play for you”. The team signs a contract that says I will pay you to play for me, and whenever I want I can trade you, cut you, or waive you. In other words pay you until I decide I don’t want to pay you anymore.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 3:10 pm

One has a much higher chance of being around for “a really long time” than the other.

age does matter, especially in the NFL… you’re looking for boogeymen

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:16 pm

You argument is weak sauce my friend. Cousins can play into his 40’s at this rate.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 3:19 pm

Wonder if he’d be a good color guy in booth.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 3:34 pm

Sure and that’s 5 years for kirk and 16 years for JJ.

which one is…. “A really long time”

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:46 pm

I think your age issue is the issue here. It has nothing to do with my point though.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 3:55 pm

Also correct. You’re looking for a boogeyman, you’re also not comparing similar things.

Age matters when making talking about long term plans for a football team.

one guy is coming off a rookie deal and the other is not.

you’re searching for another anti Kirk slight and I’m telling you it’s not there.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:09 pm

Mick, seriously… just stop. Boogeyman my ass. This is a stupid argument.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 4:33 pm

Stop doing what? I agree with you.

it is a stupid argument. I think age is the issue.

Why you cannot see that and then its turned into some slight in your mind against Kirk Cousins is beyond me.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 4:47 pm

Yes, the whole point of my commentary was beyond you. You completely took the commentary into left field. I never took anything you said as a slight to Cousins.

You make things up in your head about me and I am stuck going around and around with you.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 5:27 pm

Lol

you compared the commentary of two separate men as if they should be the same. And formed an opinion based on that.

I poked a hole it in showing how they are not the same, mainly due to age and stage of their careers, and you still can’t see it or don’t want to.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 5:35 pm

That’s my point. You think you poked a hole in something, that there was nothing to poke a hole in. You create debate in your own head.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 6:03 pm

I have something to say here…do do do do….da da da da….thats all I have to say to you….

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 3:38 pm

Two very different points of their careers

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 5:10 pm

My point is, if KAM was serious about keeping Cousins, he would have said something to the effect “We want Kirk here and we’re working hard to find a way to get this done”. He didn’t say that though. I just highlighted this because there are some folks who think keeping Cousins and keeping JJ are somehow linked (they aren’t) and KAM could work out some extension for Cousins (he isn’t). KAM knows he isn’t going to keep Cousins past 2023, but he just doesn’t want to say it. I mean it would be stupid to say it, but still.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 6:11 pm

My two cents is I think the value of a top 7 QB is WAY higher than even the best young WR in the game even if said QB is 34. Now add in Cousins has taken extremely good care of himself, doesn’t drink or party at all, has never had a single injury of any even semi concern, dude is a rock. He literally looks 29 and that is no joke and genetically is probably about at that average age neurologically and physically. So with that said I put Cousins value higher since he has likely 8 years of high level football left at the most important position in football.

Mick dum dum.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 6:26 pm

The point is…

it isn’t a similar comparison.

apples to oranges.

black and white. Literally.

you all dumdum.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 6:29 pm

It isn’t my point at all Mick… truly you are wide right on this.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 6:26 pm

That is all true, but KAM is a financial guy who grew up on Wall Street. He understands the value of a top shelf QB, but like others here doesn’t really want to pay the price for one. Indeed he might feel a young rookie could do well enough at a far lower investment. Who knows?

My take here is he sees Cousins as too costly, especially if he has no “outs” in the contract. Cousins will only agree to a contract with a no trade clause and lots of guaranteed money because he isn’t stupid. He’s seen how players get traded, cut, and waived with no impact to the team, thus have no power.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 7:02 pm

I think of he was planning on replacing kirk with a draft pick he would have done it this year. Playing a rookie never works the first year. If he plans to replace cousins with a rook then he is sacrificing 2024 for said rookies development. That doesn’t seem like a good plan to me in year 3 of a tenure unless you are 100% sure you’ll win at least 13 games again. They go that route and win like 9 or 10 games, then start a rookie in 2024 and win 6, KAM is gone. That’s the recent history of the league and an analytics guy isn’t going to miss that, at least I hope not. By not drafting a qb, in my mind, they have signaled they intend to keep cousins around for at least 2 or 3 years. That’s probably the hang up on a contract. They want 2 or 3 and kirk wants 4 or 5.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 7:22 pm

Kirk doesn’t want a 4 or 5 year contract. That locks him into a price for too long. Salaries for QB’s are escalating every year. So for Cousins, three year contracts are his sweet spot. He’s played the contract game somewhat masterfully all along. He isn’t going to change that.

As to KAM’s plan for a QB, I get the sense he’s playing it by ear. Next years draft may have an opportunity to get a top shelf rookie, or maybe he brings Teddy Bridgewater back. To me, that would make sense from a business perspective as many fans feel Teddy didn’t get a fair shake and this could make things right. It would make KAM look good in the eyes of the fans.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 7:55 pm

I think Cousins is excited about being on a prove it year he’s said as much. He’s embraced it and I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s willing to just ride and die with it and make $40 a yr livin on the edge of the cliff. Kirko really is becoming a gangster.

I think Bowbunch hit the nail on the head…KAM knows he can’t get a better QB and a rookie is a big risk.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Lifer
1 June 2023 6:05 am

Yes KAM knows he can’t get a better QB and a rookie is a big risk. But he won’t pay the toll to keep Cousins in place. He will just look around the landscape, come up with a cheaper option and move on. The quality of the player is not the factor to KAM, the cost is. If he could write a contract and pay Cousins $45M a year with a lot of outs (meaning the contract is worthless because he’s never going to actually pay that amount) he’d do it. Cousins won’t sign a contract like that though. Thus, Cousins will not be a Viking after 2023 in my opinion.

bowbunch
bowbunch
31 May 2023 2:03 pm

Any hype about Lance is just to try and up his trade value.
49ers GM John Lynch ‘incredibly encouraged’ after Brock Purdy’s first throwing session

The 49ers’ brass continues to reiterate the starting job is Purdy’s if he’s fully healed by the start of the season.

MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:51 pm

I sense a general air of discord on the open thread today.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:51 pm

Never!!!

MT Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:56 pm

I also entered the day with a general air of annoyance. About 16 months ago my shirt tail relative finished installing the platform (what I call a mezzanine) in our shouse shop, where we keep our clothes and my command center. He put 7 LED lights under the platform, where the washer/dryer, dog feeding station, shoe bench, etc are. Got a screaming deal on them at Menards. One burnt out last week, and two went out this morning. POS China crap. I’ll have to replace them all.

My wife said, well I do keep those lights on all day so it’s not like they don’t get used. They’re supposed to last thousands of hours!

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:58 pm

Well, 24 hours a day for 16 months would be around 11,000 hours. If you figure 50% of the time you’re still over 5000.

MT Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 2:01 pm

I shall not be assuaged! It’s all part of China’s plan.

The monitors I use at work have LED ambience lights that I set to project behind the monitors, eases eye strain and makes it less gloomy. They are on 10 hours a day and haven’t burned out yet. Now you might point out these monitors are 25K apiece so they might be better quality. I have nothing to say about that. Come to think of it they are probably China monitors as well.

Mjolnir
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 2:04 pm

skolifer
skolifer
31 May 2023 1:48 pm

Pretty good video about Addison. Short version: Steve Smith Sr thinks Skolly is an idiot.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  skolifer
31 May 2023 5:58 pm

You’re grounded again. 50 bucks KJ beats out Addison for WR2 for the starting roster week 1?

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 6:12 pm

Steve is right about WR’s….a lot….so I would heed his opinions.

NoDakRube
31 May 2023 1:31 pm

I tried Grainbelt Elite the other day…pretty good light beer (although I prefer IPAs).
I just bought a case for my upcoming golf trip.

I didn’t buy any bud light…that company is going down so hard they may have to butcher the Clydsdales for meat.

The wife just declared we are done buying shit from Target. I guess Walmart is going to get more business.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  NoDakRube
31 May 2023 1:35 pm

I don’t drink beer, was never into Nike, Northface.
The teacher is a fan of Target and Disney so we will see if she steps aways from those.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:00 pm

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:02 pm

Coulda/Shoulda/Woulda.
Headline COULD have been published anytime this offseason.
#Clickbait

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:22 pm

Could always talk about Kirk Cousins some more.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:24 pm

Visual I didn’t need,
@thanks@

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:26 pm

What??

You have to take yours out of your Depends first?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:29 pm

Nope,
and I feel dumber for watching it just now.
@That will learn me@

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:46 pm

Makes one wonder what else the kids are watching on there.

Glad my kids are grown.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
31 May 2023 2:22 pm

What??

You have to take yours out of your Depends first?

No. He has to take it out of the “tuck” feature first.

NoDakRube
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:33 pm

I just think slamming’s one’s dick in a patio door would be a difficult feat to pull off.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  NoDakRube
31 May 2023 1:45 pm

Don’t think I could ‘get up’ for that myself.
But too each his own.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 1:24 pm

or we could try to talk some sense into Lifer.

yeah, better to talk about Kirk.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:11 pm

Total Captain Obvious commentary… worthless.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:26 pm

comment image

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 2:22 pm

No shit sherlock.
Florio is nothing but a tool.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 2:24 pm

Enlightening. Heard we landed on the moon too.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
31 May 2023 2:29 pm

No way!!!

DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:35 pm

The Dolphins designated Jones as a post-June 1 cut in order to spread his remaining cap hit out over the 2023 and 2024 seasons, so they will be getting $13.6 million in cap space to work with when May comes to an end.

We will see if the Cook trade rumor to Miami has any truth to it starting tomorrow.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:03 pm

Truth….

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:05 pm

It ridiculous. The memories are so short. Just like the debt ceiling… same thing every time.

R’s fight X. Get donations.

R’s “make deal” to save country.

R’s new deal is worse than the first one LOL they just highlight different things.

R’s and D’s laugh at dumdums.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:10 pm

Yeah.
The only choice we have is voting for spending a lot, or voting for spending less than alot.

And…..
If you claim voting for a third party could stop this, it won’t. It just guarantees spending a lot because the dems are more unified.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:12 pm

Everyone in DC is voting for spending a lot.

craziness.

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 11:58 am

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:23 pm

The Minnesota Vikings have paid off the debt on their stadium 23 years early…..

Translation:
The fans have paid it off for the Wilfs, who also got taxpayer funds.

DE Viking
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 12:42 pm

I’m not sure who the owner of the stadium is.
It might be some City/County Committee or something.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:12 pm

This picture brings back such fond memories.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:25 pm

Birdman is surely offended.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 3:39 pm

He is

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 1:25 pm

It is the Minnesota Sports Facility Agency or something like that, Its just a board of directors. I just remember reading about it a while back when they were trying to decide what to do with the massive money surplus from the e-pulltabs.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:47 pm

Something like that.

wasn’t it the e-tabs that paid for the big chunk of it?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:48 pm

mostly funded by degenerate gamblers

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 12:48 pm

Good thing we don’t have pull tabs out here. Instead we just put a casino every block or two.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:26 pm

LOL yeah, like out in the black hills, there’s a video lottery casino on every street corner.

MT Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:49 pm

Billings is just bananas with the casinos. Not that we don’t have a few in GDV, but driving down Grand is like a poor man’s Vegas strip.

Now dispensaries, GDV has em up the whazoo.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:53 pm

They’re everywhere here too now. Right next door to the casinos. Actually, they just line the city limits. I think Billings passed something that keeps them out of the city limits for recreational.

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 12:53 pm

LOL.
Ok.
Wilfs soaking degenerate gamblers sounds better.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 1:27 pm

LOL, true though that the Wilfs got a stadium that lines their pockets funded by degenerate gamblers.

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 11:48 am

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:48 am

Skolly said this was unpossible. Why do these people lie like this.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:49 am

Trading him to Dallas. Just have to wait until June 1 to make it official.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:59 am

Skolly might think this is good since Dallas has the Black Kirk Cousins. That would make JJ happy.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:00 pm

I assume JJ and Cousins have to be extended together in order to please JJ.
So Kirk 10 years guaranteed until he is 45 to keep JJ happy. Allegedly.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:07 pm

I hope JJ inks deal this season. More ammo for Kirko Chill to be on the roster next season which I’m a huge fan of

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 12:08 pm

Yup. Sign him and he can get paiud again in a couple years.

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 12:12 pm

You finally see the light bro?
Kirk needs JJ more than JJ needs Kirk.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:22 pm

Now ya, bc JJ will get his bag with or without Vikings/Kirk etc.

But I’m sure JJ doesn’t want to continue years not making playoffs like his first two seasons.

He wants to get paid now but ask JJ in 2 years how he feels rebuilding if they don’t resign Kirk

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 12:25 pm

LOL.
Vikings didn’t make the playoffs with Kirk when JJ was on the team.

2020 No playoffs
2021 No playoffs
2022 Playoffs.

JJ has missed the playoffs with Kirk 2 times.
Not sure why you tie JJ to Kirk so much.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:57 pm

I’m not. I’m saying I don’t see JJ sticking around with no QB plan bc he’s not sticking around for a rebuild.

If he signs his deal now its bc Kirk is likely back or the Vikes filled him in on a plan.

I doubt JJ wants Nick Mullens, 5th rounder loser QB, or Keenuts throwing passes to him on a 4-13 loser squad

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:01 pm

Yeah, he’ll just go home and cry on his massive pile of Benjamins.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 8:53 pm

I will not be cried on

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 1:14 pm

Well as I’ve said here a number of times, I don’t see any way Cousins is a Viking after 2023. Too many “no way’s” between the GM and Cousins.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 12:37 pm

Somebody should ask JJ if he’d rather play with Cousins or play with Burrow again.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 12:57 pm

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:28 pm

Obviously Kirk because Kirk is better.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:04 pm

Nothing done till pen hits paper

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 11:41 am

I LOL’d at this one.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:42 am

Same timeframe for Vikings..

3CB
3WR
1C
1T

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:45 am

I LOL hard at all of the studs that pick 31 could’ve been in 2020. Rick would still be employed if he picked about 7 different guys in the next 20ish picks.

Higgins, Pittman, Claypool, Winfield Jr., Hurts, J. Taylor…

wooooof

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:49 am

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:20 pm

Schism….

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:48 pm

Has a GM ever been traded? And I would have been pissed if I was A-A-Ron too but also it’s not like he was willing to take a team friendly contract to help get him more weapons.

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 12:49 pm

Has a GM ever been traded?

Not in modern times.


bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 12:50 pm

He cried about the receivers in GB and then after/before getting traded to New Jersey, he told them to sign the WRs from GB. Oh, and he’s high and thinks the Jets already won the SB.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 12:58 pm

The Jets did win the Super Bowl…

In 1969

The Jets have failed to make it to the NFL Playoffs since the 2010 postseason.

bowbunch
bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:12 am

It worked for the Duke boys, not sure why it didn’t work for this guy.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:23 am

LOL…

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 12:43 pm

Was that you trying to race a train?

bowbunch
bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:09 am

Idaho is trying to be as big as Montana. It would be fun to see happen and watch what’s left of Oregon burn to the ground under dem control.
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Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:17 am

Man I wish I could get on board with just agreeing with people. Yes watch Oregon burn, screw whether it’s dem or republican crap. Good ideas are good, bad ideas are bad. We don’t have to turn everything into a point of divisive thinking. There are plenty of very shitty statistics in very red states as well. There is plenty of stupid Republican things out there too.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 11:20 am

They should carve northern California off and add it to Nevada too, or just make it extra greater Idaho.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:22 am

While they’re at it, carve off western and northern MN and give that to North and South Dakota. It’s just a bunch of rocks and cows anyway. I don’t see why anybody in the remaining portion on MN would care.

stuman55
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 11:22 am

Portland is pretty fk’d tho

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 11:41 am

Correct.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 12:22 pm

Portland would be a nice place, if it wasn’t run by idiots.

JacksonVike
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:07 pm

I dated a gal from named Eugene for a while. Fify

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 12:51 pm

Agreed and it has damn near everything to do with bad governing policies. But let’s focus on those bad policies and not just say the dumb democrats. That says nothing. There are very fucked areas under red rule too and those areas are also fucked by mostly red policies. But again, let’s focus on the ideas that are bad instead of just saying divisive words.

stuman55
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 1:05 pm

can you give me an example of one major city ran by R that is as dysfunctional as Portland?

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 1:11 pm

How about Mississippi (I know it’s not a city)? Worst poverty rate in the country and has voted red for every president except Carter since 1972. So all Republicans are bad with economics right?

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 2:48 pm

The point being is looking at the state of an area, and going how does that area usually vote and then go well then that side is terrible is bad logic and helps nothing. Let’s blast the bad ideas that don’t work on both sides instead of just making it a divisive situation that says nothing and helps nothing.

stuman55
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 1:19 pm

lol in MS probably. I would bet most of the folks there don’t even vote

MT Viking
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 1:47 pm

I think I told the story already but you guys know I love to blab. CRNA was getting informed consent from my wife before her D&C. I had read an interview with his wife (a new teacher) and she had mentioned moving to Glendive with her husband. After he gave his spiel, I asked him where they had moved from:

“Oh, we moved here from another country, believe it or not.”
No kidding? I actually moved here from another country, as well. Where did you move from?
“It’s a really f***’d up place, you probably haven’t heard of it…a place called Portland.”

LOL

My wife also peppered him with technical questions about propofol and he said whoa whoa whoa I just watched a YT video last night on how to do this and all these questions will make me forget how to do it. I’ve since borrowed that a couple of times.

Mjolnir
31 May 2023 11:05 am

Merry Midweek Mid-morning Skolhos!

After one quick scroll of today’s thread I’m happy to see that the 4th & 8 debate has been settled, Left & Right have become one and nobody has been told to Ess anyone’s Dee….

Back to The Simpsons

Skol!

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:56 am

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 12:49 pm

KAM the deal maker…

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:18 pm

I have no irrational dislike of anyone GF. I do have an opinion of KAM’s work as a GM and it’s not a high one. He gets worked like a rented mule in every deal he makes.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:56 am

Mickkitty!!!

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:56 am

Thats my guy.

Drive the fantasy price through the ROOF

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:01 am

I’ll trade you him for Adams straight up. Cool glad you accept. I will look for the trade approval.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 11:05 am

LOLOLOL

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:05 am

Might be a better keeper for you than adams

Mjolnir
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:06 am

Y’all just get one Keeper?

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mjolnir
31 May 2023 11:15 am

We are re-assessing some things this off-season.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:25 am

Oh.
Thanks for sharing….

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:28 am

By we he means he’s trying to come up with something that will benefit him that will get implemented at the last minute without notification. We’re on to you Mick.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:35 am

Yeah…
I’m glad you burned that bridge and not me.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:36 am

We’ve had a commissioner try pulling that crap. Week before the draft, let’s change all the scoring rules without telling anybody.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:36 am

Hahahaha. I just answered him first. 🙂

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:36 am

Lol no.

im going to send an email out in the next few weeks with all of the scoring shit. There was some stuff people ha questions on last year so we’ll get em answered early this year.

if we want to make changes we can if we don’t we can do that too.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:36 am

Yeah, just giving ya shit.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:37 am

I have enough shit lol

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 12:51 pm

I thought you were going to let me draft him so he gets hurt and the Vikings get a high draft pick next year to draft the QBOTF.

stuman55
31 May 2023 10:43 am

Y’all remember when it wasn’t safe for us to sit at a barstool by ourselves but it was perfectly safe to stand in a crowd of thousands and scream and yell?

I remember that

Mick
Mick
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 10:44 am

NoDakRube
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 11:06 am

Yes, I remember that…I remember the antifa riots were deemed ‘healthy free speech’ bu t you couldn’t go to a bar. It seemed strange to me.

stuman55
Reply to  NoDakRube
31 May 2023 11:23 am

The Saint George riot marches were deemed safe by CDC because “racism (or white supremacy) is more determinantal to POC than covid” LOLOLOLOL and we all kept wearing masks LOOLLOL

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 1:55 pm

*mostly peaceful riot marches

MT Viking
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 1:41 pm

Amen

bowbunch
bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:42 am

Ponder is the new victim of the left’s ridiculous ideas. These dunces are comparing boys competing against girls to Lebron James playing in the NBA.

stuman55
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:44 am

yup. Good for her and another poor stance by the morons. We’ll see how long it takes for her to be forced to apologize for “not taking into consideration the feelings of a marginalized community”

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 10:56 am

She’s now on our cancel list. She’ll be out of the public eye soon. How dare her.

stuman55
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 11:24 am

but she hawt

Mjolnir
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:56 am

She’s great at her job. Good for her.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:41 am

Any time I get into a debate about this I finally go… OK, if you really don’t think there’s an issue here let’s get rid of boys and girls sports. Let’s just have basketball, volleyball, etc… Watch real how fast they’ll want these divisions back and will admit there’s a difference. It’s so dumb because it’s the same people screaming for Title IX all those years ago for equality. It’s bonkers. If you actually cared about this issue though, drop the shit about the left’s ridiculous idea. We all know it comes from those dumb dumbs. But just present it as the stupid idea it is. Once you say that, it becomes a divisive issue and people feel they need to defend “their side” instead of debating a topic or idea.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 11:46 am

Same goes for the bathrooms. Make every bathroom for only one person.

Problem is.. their just trying to make trouble and not fix problems.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:53 pm

Yeah, that’s what they are doing in Europe. No more communal bathrooms. 1 stall that fully closes and locks and then a big row of hand washing stations. It’s great, it would help schools too with the vaping issue in bathrooms as well.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 11:57 am

But that wouldn’t help me accomplish my mission of twisting people up for my own benefit. I’m practicing to be a politician. Divide and conquer.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 12:53 pm

HA! Fair.

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 12:07 pm

But just present it as the stupid idea it is

So the group of people that want this idea will just clam up and say,
“Oh shit. you are right. I change my mind”…????

It’s not going to happen until these people are removed from office.
Which isn’t going to happen. So the debate will rage on…..

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 1:07 pm

The problem is the whole group doesn’t think that. It’s like saying Republicans are dumb because they support abstinence only education when that has been proven to be ineffective and have worse results. So all Republicans are dumb because a bulk of ignorant ones in the the south support abstinence only.

stuman55
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 1:09 pm

FTR it only doesn’t work because people choose not to listen. Abstinence IS the only logical solution to *not* getting pregnant if you don’t want to be pregnant.

Every person in the world knows that you could get pregnant having sex.. we are such a degenerate society that now we just want the “cancel” button when something inconvenient happens to us, even though we knew very well it could. Weak people we are

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 2:50 pm

Hahaha! OK. The only reason gun control doesn’t work is because people don’t listen. Every person in the world knows that if there were no guns then you wouldn’t have gun violence. Great logic. Make sure you apply it to other things and see if you still agree.

It’s proven not to work. Period, end of story. Quit spinning wheels on this.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 3:01 pm

That darn free will and being able to choose what you do.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 3:11 pm

Unless it’s COVID of course…

stuman55
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 3:07 pm

I was just saying if people listened it is the most effective way. Rather than aborting a living person. My only point. Don’t know that it’s hard to argue.

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 2:29 pm

The problem is the whole group doesn’t think that.

99% of them do. Certainly the people who are elected could stop it.
But nope. Just keep on keeping on…..

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 2:51 pm

No they don’t. If 99% of all Dems believed in what is going on in Portland is happening then by your own logic 99% of Dem ran cities would be ran the same way and should be in the same state but they aren’t. But keep using bad logic.

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 3:03 pm

Dude,
Dem run cities are shitholes across the country.
Maybe not as bad as Portland.
Pull your head out of your “everybody does it” bubble and look at where 99% of this shit is coming from.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 12:29 pm

Good points. Some people just like to scream about stuff. Thinking things through is hard.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 12:39 pm

Not that hard in this case VP. Men pretending to be girls, competing against real girls, is ridiculous.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 12:48 pm

Correct.
Eggslusher allegedly agrees with this.
Just don’t point out the politics of it all.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 1:07 pm

Man you guys are tools sometimes.

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 10:29 am

Tax cuts for everyone!!!!!

stuman55
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:42 am

nice, excuse for a new tax somehow

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  stuman55
31 May 2023 10:58 am

Listen to yourself…like a typical republican who are responsible for the largest deficits by cutting taxes that never pay for themselves and when a positive is accomplished for the local community by democrats you still have to find a way to complain. You have a soft brain..

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 11:02 am

all brains are soft.

The correct slight you meant to use was smooth. Stu has a smooth brain.

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Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:03 am

MMMMM…Think I’ll grill some chicken breasts tonight. Thanks!

MT Viking
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 1:39 pm

That’s lissencephaly!

stuman55
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 1:02 pm

I think it’s incredibly smart to pay off that loan and save the state money. However this latest budget session shows that it did absolutely zero to help the public as peoples taxes have been raised for “other” things. They saved the tax payers ~$10M annually over the next 23 years but still raised their taxes? Lol. Public loans impact much differently than your private loan.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:46 am

LOL.
More like the pols send the money to themselves.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:57 am

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:58 am

11m cap it in 2024 is all that matters. Cook will never see the rest of that deal.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:08 am

None of it matters. It depends on what the acquiring team wants to pay.
The 10.4 million in 2023 isn’t even guaranteed until the season starts.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:40 am

Correct. Mickkitty is confused

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:42 am

What am I confused about? Cook won’t see any of that deal beyond 2023.

IF he is traded…look for the vikes to eat some money in sending him away essentially buying a draft pick.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:43 am

Just stirring the pot today

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:43 am

Sean Borman is confused.
To think that some team will take on non guaranteed numbers in a trade is just dumb.

Wrenage
31 May 2023 9:55 am

Birthday song to Edgecrusher!

This is a nice cover. Sanders really nails the vocals.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Wrenage
31 May 2023 10:09 am

THANKS MAN! I love this cover! And yes the vocals are great! If you like his vocals in this have you checked out Killer Be Killed? One of my favorites. I have been lucky enough to see Mastodon live a few times (first time was in 2004!), finally got to see Dave Davidson last winter! I loved watching those Slay at Home series during covid. They had some awesome covers, this Holy Wars one probably being my favorite.

You got Troy, you got Max (from Soulfly and Sepultura), you got Greg (Dillinger Escape Plan) all lending their vocals!

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Wrenage
31 May 2023 10:11 am

And for nailing vocals in a cover, I friggin love this one! Any fans of Rush?

skolifer
skolifer
31 May 2023 9:43 am

So, private space travel “woke up” an entire coastal region last night around 10PM CST with a sonic boom. It was heard all the way from South Alabama to the Eastern Florida Panhandle. Most folks had no idea what was going on and it resulted in a surge of 911 calls from people thinking there had been an explosion. I thought it sounded like a huge object had landed on my roof. I walked the perimeter of my house with a flashlight, searching for the cause when all my neighbors start pouring out of their houses talking about the same noise. One of them works as a contractor for the Air Force, so he was able to check on some group list he has on his phone and was able to confirm the cause was the re-entry of SpaceX Freedom flight.

If Elon Musk wants to be a spaceman, so be it, but I hope there’s some accountability for these type of impacts on the public and government services.

stuman55
Reply to  skolifer
31 May 2023 10:45 am

Flat earth will tell you this is impossible and a psyop

IM SO CONFUSED!!

MT Viking
Reply to  skolifer
31 May 2023 1:39 pm

Cool!

skolifer
skolifer
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:45 pm

If had happened over North Dakota, Brad would have gotten on his roof looking for damage, fallen off, and we’d be reading about his injury/rehab for months.

skolifer
skolifer
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 4:07 pm

😀

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 9:42 am

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 9:42 am

This is always good to get other teams in vs your own guys in practice.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:55 am

LOL.

OK Skolly
I posted that yesterday.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 9:56 am

LOLOLOLOL

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:56 am

LMAO

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:59 am

DE should have been a reporter…

DE Viking
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 10:09 am

I used to work on the air at local tv stations.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:10 am

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DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:12 am

Well, it was fake news. Which is one of the reasons I had had enough of that career.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:59 am

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:00 am

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 8:54 am

Bye bye Cookie!

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:07 am

Just posturing to get Cook to take a pay cut.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:12 am

Might be… does anyone think Mattison is anywhere near as good as Cook? Personally I do not.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:20 am

The biggest thing has always been he wasn’t as fast as Cook, but Cook has slowed so maybe the difference isn’t that great anymore. Hopefully Mattison has learned what a hole looks like though.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:26 am

Well… it’s an interesting situation in my eyes. Because, yeah Cook doesn’t seem like he is the dasher he once was. He now seems to have a burst and then in trails off. He is still more of a home run hitter than Matti-Ice. Kene obviously has speed but seems to be a shitty running back. Chandler has speed and from what I can tell McBride is kind of a Mattison type back. So… yeah… it’s an interesting situation.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:29 am

If it wasn’t for his handful of homeruns last year… nobody would even think about keeping Cook.

Posted the stats a couple weeks ago…and its very underwhelming.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:39 am

I think Cook ultimately takes a pay cut so he doesn’t end up on the same team as Zeke and Hunt.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:52 am

LOLOLOL what team is that? Free agents?

How much of a cut + his dead cap is fair to keep him around? While allocating that money to Mattison as well?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:56 am

Get him to take a cut that ends up with his cap hit being what the dead cap for dumping him would be or let him join Zeke and Hunt in the bread lines.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:57 am

LOL his dead cap is 3m. :). I lilke it.

If they can trade cook and get some draft compensation its. a win.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:59 am

Yep.
Do it for draft picks.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:00 am

Even a 6/7 is better than the outright cut.

If Kwesi can get that… that’s some elite GMing

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:01 am

I agree. Except for the “elite” thing.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:03 am

LOL

Cook has been a dead man walking all offseason…

Getting something for someone the entire league knows you’re moving on from is elite.

not 1&4 ELITE like Roseman with Bradford but still elite.

Why do you think we’re seeing all of the “vikings might keep cook” reports?

Building value.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:05 am

LOL….

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:26 am

I think the difference has been (I think remains) explosiveness. Mattison is a pretty good relief back, but Cook can take it the distance on any given play. That run against Miami last year showed Cook is as dangerous as ever in my opinion.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:50 am

Correct…Cook is a top explosive back that can take it the distance on any carry. Mattison simply is not that.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:04 pm

Cook completely ran away from the Miami defenders last year on his 53 yard TD scamper. No way Mattison pulls off a run like that.

Cook still has plenty of speed.

Wrenage
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:52 am

Cook is cooked. Mattison isn’t great, but all he has to do is run big and get positive yards.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:55 am

Might be… does anyone think Mattison is anywhere near as good as Cook? Personally I do not.

He is not.
We agree there.

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 12:51 pm

For their careers, Cook has averaged 4.7 yards per run, Mattison is at 4.1 so edge to Cook there.

Cook was dead last in the league for zero/negative yards in 2022, so edge to Mattison there.

Mattison has the edge in broken tackles (17.6% vs 14.8%), and Yards after Contact percentage (56.9% vs 54.6%)

Cook has slight edge of average Yards after Contact (2.4 vs 2.2)

Biggest stat that stands out is Cook averages 17.5 rushes per game, and Mattison only 6.8. I’d love to see Mattison’s season totals where he is the main focus of the run game.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 2:02 pm

Biggest difference is in their respective cap hits

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 8:53 am

Lmao Nailor is dominating camp per reports… but we waste our first round pick on an injured WR already

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 8:59 am

LOL

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:09 am

I would like to know what the injury is, but in my estimation there is some pretty good talent behind JJ and KJ vying for that 3rd WR spot. Addison is the natural “lock” to be WR3 (maybe WR2 but I’m not so sure KJ is gonna let that happen) due to his draft selection position but we’ll see how it shakes out. Wonder if KOC has the fortitude to NOT put Addison out there if other receivers show him up in camp?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:19 am

If Addison turns out to be who they hope and Nailor really is getting that much better maybe they’ll just trade KJ.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:21 am

Exactly. Was a Mick HAWT TAEK from a couple weeks ago…thinking KJ may not even see the opening day roster if the offer for him comes ok.

I don’t see a world where his 2nd contract is in MN…he could be “the guy” on more than a few teams in the league.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:48 am

$100 bucks they don’t trade KJ before season starts?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:50 am

You’re probably right. They’ll just cut his ass when nobody else wants him.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:53 am

Skolly… This is a HAWT TAEK not a betting take.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:33 am

Always a possibility. In exactly 90 days we’ll see.

All 32 NFL teams must cut down to 53 players on their active roster by Tuesday, Aug. 29.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:48 am

“Just a tweak”

-Zim

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:27 am

Holy shit some people can just twist everything to a negative. Finds a way to shit on a 2nd year guy doing well. You mean having another weapon is a bad thing. For fuck sake, look at the positives here. Also you talk like Addison has blown out both knees or something. “waste our first round pick”… shut up.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:30 am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

He’s working on his 5. He has some work to do.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:49 am

Pipe down eggslusher. Can’t make the club in the tub brah

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:56 am

Yeah.
Cut everybody who sucks in non contact OTA’s.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:54 am

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:59 am

Sat on many boards and panels in my time. If you’ve been selected to be a panel member you must have some expertise in the subject matter?

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:49 am

Please describe 3 panels and boards you’ve been apart of?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:52 am

Dozens and dozens of promotion boards, DoD policy panels for COVID, theater strategy, budget reviews, Congressional appropriations, etc.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:57 am

I’m on the board at the balloon factory. Does that count?

I think we’ll do red balloons in June.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 10:01 am

You mockin me Mr Gambini?

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:02 am

JacksonVike
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 12:48 pm

Mocking you? No.

JacksonVike
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 12:47 pm

Putting an add up on the bulletin board in the lunchroom at the balloon factory, asking for free advice, does not mean you are “on the board”

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:56 am

Please…expertise of board members is a false flag on proper decision making they’ll likely never do. The arrangements are subjective at best, many board members kowtow to the executives who in many cases have control on what is presented to them and there is little if no independent auditing by the board.

What they see or are presented in meetings is preapproved by the executives outside of the SEC requirements from the independent financial auditors. I have plenty of experience in that arena as well.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:05 pm

Hopefully you can provide your deep insight and maybe some ideas on solution sets. Good luck GF.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:59 am

What kind of panel?

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 8:52 am

@BUT BUT BUT TRADE FOR LANCE@

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:56 am

They’re not going to trade Lance, at least not this year. They’ll give Purdy a chance but he could’ve been one hit wonder like Keenuts. They gave up to much for Lance to just dump him with limited playing time too

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 1:07 pm

Darnold beat Teddy out… twice.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:01 am

OTA’s are just the beginning… we’ll see how things shake out. In general, Kyle Shanahan knows what he’s doing with his offense.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:10 am

yup.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:22 am

OK, PFF ranks him #28 at his position. That means he’s pretty good. We have one guy currently on our defense that PFF thinks is pretty good?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:23 am

There isn’t a single player from last years defense that is top 30.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 10:02 am

ok doomer

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 8:18 am

Agree… Disagree….??

MINNESOTA VIKINGS

PlayerExperience

Justin Jefferson4th season

Danielle Hunter8th season

Christian Darrisaw3rd season

With three straight elite receiving grades to start his career, it is silly just how good Justin Jefferson has been since coming into the league in 2020. Hunter is still a force on that defensive line, as he has recorded double-digit sacks in each of his past three seasons when fully healthy, including 2022. Darrisaw barely secured the last spot over Cook, simply because they feel like two players who could be moving in different directions. Cook, while still a very good back, posted 4.5 yards per carry and an inefficient 23.4% stuff rate in 2022 (how often a back gains zero or negative yards on a carry). Meanwhile, Darrisaw jumped to an elite 91.1 overall blocking grade in his second season.

Also Considered: QB Kirk Cousins, RB Dalvin Cook

for brad… the sauce

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:31 am

Or Cook LOL.

No love for BO.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:44 am

I thought about O’Neill, too.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:52 am

No point in keeping JJ if Kirk isn’t around or if they have a legitimate plan to nab a top QB in 2024

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 8:59 am

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:50 am

lol

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:32 am

Just wait until OTA or training camp reports start coming out about how good Levis and Hooker are looking (prior to them sitting on the bench the entire year). We might have to call up Chicago PD and have them do a welfare check on ole Skolly.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:33 am

Northwoods
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:54 am

I’ll bet that started with “HEY Y’ALL, watch THIS!!”

JacksonVike
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 12:56 pm

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:13 am

Wonder who is ‘holding his beer’.
@Obviously a Butt Light@

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
31 May 2023 11:17 am

It’s a Vodka. That dude is definitely Russian.

JacksonVike
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 12:55 pm

I’m not sure what you guys are getting at. I see a man getting the job done.

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:29 am

No point in keeping JJ if Kirk isn’t around or if they have a legitimate plan to nab a top QB in 2024

WTF?

There you go tying JJ to Cousins again.
Cousins has 3-5 years left.
What happens when Cousins is retired and JJ is still playing?
Just get rid of JJ because Cousins is gone?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:31 am

Yep. JJ is only good because of Cousins, duh. Might as well get rid of him now before the facade falls and his value drops.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:34 am

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:43 am

No DEdumdum… my point is everyone thinks JJ is a lock to stay here. Likely the case, but it’s not a lock.

As of now, Nick Mullens is the only competent QB on roster for next season. JJ aint sticking around for that unless he knows Kirk is going to stay or there’s some sort of plan we don’t know about.

KAM dumdum so likely no plan

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:49 am

JJ aint sticking around for that unless he knows Kirk is going to stay or there’s some sort of plan we don’t know about.

If this is JJ’s thinking, he is a terrible businessman.
He shouldn’t be worried about or tying his future to anybody but himself.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:51 am

It’s not rocket science. JJ and rookies as a whole have no leverage.

here are the fines

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:52 am

And the bigger piece is losing accrued seasons to FA.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:55 am

exactly.

He can sit… and he can refuse to sign a tag…but that all happens after 2 more years.

Rookie deals favor the club. It isn’t rocket surgery.

Even then in ’23 the tag is the same amount as his 5th year option.

What does he gain by being a bitch?

IF he really wanted to make a stand he’d show up and see what happens over the next two years and go from there.

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 12:53 pm

I can see where Skolly is coming from. If JJ wants to get paid he should do it this year. If he doesn’t do it this year and the Vikings let Cousins walk, without a plan in place to replace him. JJ’s numbers could drop over the next couple years if we have a bad QB. Thus, lowering his value.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 10:50 am

JJ does not have a choice. He can’t absorb the fines sitting out this year. He’s on a rookie deal.

TJ Watt signed his extension on 9/9/2021

Nick Bosa is in year 5 and doesn’t have a new deal yet.

What is the fucking hurry here? Is he a qb? no. He has no leverage.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:51 am

Exactly.
He can’t sit out.
He loses accrued seasons to FA where he could get paid.
He has to play in Minnesota for two years to reach FA.
Unless KAM trades him.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:52 am

No options.

Shut the fuck up and get paid your fat 30m + AAV deal and then start demanding out.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:07 am

Yep.
He doesn’t have the big cash in his bank account yet to go rouge. It would be incredibly stupid of him to be a LeVeon Bell.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:11 am

Why would he turn himself red? What would that accomplish unless he really wants to play with Mahomes?

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 11:34 am

Not following the red comment……

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:35 am

rouge

roo͞zh
noun

  1. A red or pink cosmetic for coloring the cheeks or lips.
  2. A reddish powder, chiefly ferric oxide, used to polish metals or glass.
  3. Any red cosmetic or coloring for the skin.
Mjolnir
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 1:11 pm

Now that’s an elaborate rouge….

Northwoods
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 11:43 am

rogue

Your u jumped over the g.

DE Viking
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 12:16 pm

LOL.
My dyslexia in full force….

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 7:59 am

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:07 am

I wonder how many times he has to do it to get it on camera?

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 7:58 am

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:02 am

LOL.
Well if traded today and said team takes on Cook’s contract, there would be no cap hit to the Vikings.That is correct. But it’s not realistic. At all. LOL

DE Viking
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:06 am

Probably.
I’m just saying that Cook being traded today isn’t happening.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 8:07 am

they’re just on the hook for the 3.1m

People are really scraping for some materials.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:07 am

Correct.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:14 am

DNDumdum

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 8:15 am

wealldumdum sometimes.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:21 am

whoever tweeted that for the DN clearly doesn’t know shit and doesn’t follow their own site, otherwise they would have known long ago the contract situation for Dalvin. Probably one of their new writers who are all not good. I read an article back early in the season from one of them trying to do Ted’s old Stock Report, it sucked.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 8:31 am

Correct. There are a couple a guys who do a good fanpost but the new beat guys are not great.

I think they’re using AI to write and then trying to fill in shit but it isn’t good.

Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 7:55 am

Middle of the week birthday! Woop Woop!

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 7:56 am

ya!

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 7:56 am

Happy Birthday !!

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 8:00 am

Did you know you and Broadway Joe share this special day???

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:45 am

I did not.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 8:46 am

Now you do.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 8:26 am

Happy Birthday Edge. Be careful with your celebration. Stay out of jail.

HUNViking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 8:34 am

Happy Birthday!

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 8:45 am

Thanks everyone!

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:11 am

Happy birthday ya big lefty

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:29 am

I’m right handed! lol

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:29 am

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 9:50 am

Happy birthday eggslusher

MT Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
31 May 2023 1:36 pm

Congrats Edge! Your birthday is in the same month as all the greats.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  MT Viking
31 May 2023 1:55 pm

It’s not August, what are you talking about?

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 2:52 pm

My dad’s birthday is in August so I can get on board with this. He’s retiring in August too. Not because he wants to but because Parkinson’s is a bitch.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 7:45 am

Lol at Addison already injured, classic KAM acquisition

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 7:48 am

Is he injured or just is the team just taking it easy on him? KOC has a penchant for making sure players are as healthy as possible for the season.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 7:55 am

Head coach Kevin O’Connell didn’t disclose the nature of that injury, though cited it as the reason Addison sat out practice on Tuesday, May 30. O’Connell added that the issue is “nothing serious at all,” cueing a collective sigh from Vikings Nation

Just a tweak. He’s fine.

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 9:40 am

DE Viking
Reply to  JacksonVike
31 May 2023 10:37 am

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 7:53 am

Yep.
Sure wish they went with a DL at #23.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 9:51 am

If we had even half the person Aaron Donald was in his prime… dang that would be sick

VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:31 am

I’ve also learned so much from all of you!

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Mick
Mick
Reply to  VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:34 am

The feeling is MUTUAL!!!

VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:28 am

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Mick
Mick
Reply to  VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:29 am

Sure is VP!

Thanks for the extra positivity, we needed It!

VikingPhilip
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 7:31 am

Now I’m off to the salt mines.

comment image

Mick
Mick
Reply to  VikingPhilip
31 May 2023 7:34 am

Don’t do it. Send a child or a woman to take your place.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 12:14 pm

Maybe a woman child.

No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 7:20 am

I posted this in a discussion with Lifer yesterday in regards to KAM’s “plan” for the Vikings.

The legitimate contenders in the league have a franchise quarterback surrounded by explosive playmakers with an exceptional offensive line leading the way. Defensively, the top teams can get after the passer with multiple players and they have a number of playmakers capable of taking over games. Whether it is coming up with timely turnovers or creating negative plays at the point of attack, the defense must have enough five-star talents to disrupt the flow of the opponent’s offense.

This is what Championship teams are made of. KAM has mentioned sticking to “their” plan in interviews, but no one has asked him exactly what “their” plan is. Simply put, we should be measuring KAM’s moves against the laydown I presented above. I see nothing to indicate he’s moving to accomplish this team make-up. Do we have some great players? We do. Do we have the blue-chip guys on defense that can truly change a game? We do not. Do we have an exceptional offensive line? To date, not even close.

I see no movement on any front, yet.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 7:52 am

Franchise QB – Check

Explosive Playmakers – Check

Exceptional OL – 5 of the top 10 teams ranked by OL did not make the playoffs. MN ranked 13. PHI was 1 and KC was 3.

Defensively.. The scheme was an absolute mess. But, our playmakers came up with big plays to get some wins.

Week 3 vs. Lions – Mettalus intercepts Goff to seal the W.
Week 5 vs. Bears – Dantzler forces the fumble and recovers to seal the W.
Week 8 vs Cards – Z and Phillips go back to back with sacks to end the game.
Week 9 vs Skins – Hunter gets a big sack forcing 3&out and the offense drives the rest of the game for the W.
Week 10 vs. Bills – PP INT in the endzone to win it.
Week 12 vs. NE – Hunter gets a sack, Offense goes 3&out, Blacklock gets another sack on the ensuing defensive stand. Vikings win.
Week 13 vs. Jets – Bynum INT to seal the W.
Week 15 vs. Colts – 2nd half the Colts had 128 yards on 41 plays scoring 3 points when they started the half leading 36-7.
Week 16 vs. NYG – Mettalus blocks the punt, Offense scores go ahead TD

9/13 wins were a direct result of the Defense holding/taking over the game.

I thought he was very clear in how he said they’re building a team, a mentality. I said it yesterday referring the Ol Bill in NE, he didn’t always have the best players but the players he did bought into the system.

You just don’t like KAM, or KO and I get it. but you’re getting to 5/Kodiak levels of dislike(how they feel about Kirk) in regards to those two.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 7:59 am

We do know one thing for sure, it certainly isn’t Cousins fault. Ever.
@Because of the data he likes to use. Any other data doesn’t matter@

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 8:01 am

uhh.. ok.

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:05 am

TL;DR version,

NFV won’t accept your data.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 8:06 am

MY TRUTH IS NOT YOUR TRUTH!!!!!

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:07 am

^^^^ BoomerDoomer.

KFEY93
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:43 am

I feel blessed I grew up with this show, it peaked in the early and mid 2000s right when I needed it in my life. Binged watched it every day

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:18 am

Will you stop passing judgement on me Mick? Jesus, I have to suffer this crap all the damn time here. “You just don’t like KAM, or KO and I get it. but you’re getting to 5/Kodiak levels of dislike(how they feel about Kirk) in regards to those two.”

I am providing my perspective on the quality of players we’re bringing in, compared to a standard I have regarding the construction of a Championship caliber team.

KAM brings in a WR at 23 when guys like Murphy, Bresee, Banks, Mazi Smith, etc are sitting there. The defense made some very impressive late game plays last year for sure, but they were still a very, very bad defense. Not sure where you got the offensive line was ranked 13th. Not gonna worry about that though.

Bottom line here is the two teams in the Super Bowl had top-shelf O-lines. Also had great defenses, and of course excellent QB’s. They covered the bases. I don’t see the Vikings bringing in the top shelf talent they need to be a championship team. Rather I see guys being brought in who are either injured, viewed as diamonds in the rough, or veterans like Davenport who hasn’t produced much in his career and being paid $13M.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 8:29 am

KAM brings in a WR at 23 when guys like Murphy, Bresee, Banks, Mazi Smith, etc are sitting there. 

None of these guys have played a snap in the NFL. They could be All Pro or busts.

The defense made some very impressive late game plays last year for sure, but they were still a very, very bad defense. 

They were, but this is what you said….
Defensively, the top teams can get after the passer with multiple players and they have a number of playmakers capable of taking over games. Whether it is coming up with timely turnovers or creating negative plays at the point of attack, the defense must have enough five-star talents to disrupt the flow of the opponent’s offense.

Do the 9 games there fill those requirements or no? Or do they not count for some reason?

Not sure where you got the offensive line was ranked 13th. Not gonna worry about that though.

I got it here… from PFF I didn’t say I agree or disagree but their metrics have 19 teams having a worse OL.

I don’t see the Vikings bringing in the top shelf talent they need to be a championship team. Rather I see guys being brought in who are either injured, viewed as diamonds in the rough, or veterans like Davenport who hasn’t produced much in his career and being paid $13M.

I think it’s great that you think this way, but that doesn’t make it true. This is what is called an opinion. It is not fact, but one man’s idea of what should be done.

To address your first line on judgement…. Nobody is judging you, especially me. IF you’d like I can spend part of today searching the comments you’ve made regarding KAM/KO and see if you have said anything positive about either one of them. To my recollection you have not. And that’s ok. Just like it was OK for 5/Kodiak to have their views on Kirk. this is the internet. You reposted this from yesterday so you must have thought it didn’t get enough play last night. Here’s your play.

How about this.. Is it possible that Flores will bring out the blue chip in some of these prospects? Is it also possible that they could form a cohesive unit without having all top shelf players but a collective of players who work well together?

Instead of thinking I’m attacking you…which I’m not, you can look at the facts and the data presented and defend your position… instead the goalposts moved to draft picks and FA’s.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:39 am

Your points on the draft selections are somewhat ill considered in my opinion Mick. The team need at this point is top shelf defensive players, not a WR. Our draft selections made no sense, rationally. All draft selections can be boom or bust as you indicate, but it makes more sense to pursue a player that looks to be a blue-chip player that can help transform your team with a first round pick.

Making statements about me is passing judgement whether you think so or not. “You just don’t like KAM” is a simpleton position. I’ve never met KAM, so I have no personal like or dislike of him. My opinion is he’s not a great GM, has no sense of “horse trading” and to date has not been very good at building a championship team. That is all.

That’s enough for now. Don’t want to get into a protracted debate on all the other points.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 8:43 am

 The team need at this point is top shelf defensive players, not a WR. 


It obviously wasn’t. Those guys.. Bresee, Mazi, Banks they weren’t the top 1/2 like Addison was let alone maybe not even top 5 at their position.

That’s enough for now. Don’t want to get into a protracted debate on all the other points.

… I get it. I make a lot of sense when I write.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:56 am

Laughing… a legend in your own mind…

We totally disagree on the Addison selection. That’s just the way it is. I have my reasoning and rationale for my perspective, you have yours.

I’m quite comfortable in my positions, regardless. I am waiting to see if/when this “plan” results in a Championship caliber team.

I think the Vikings can compete, but I don’t think they are a top-shelf team yet, and I’m not impressed with the players KAM is bringing in. Just my perspective.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:00 am

Vikings fans have been waiting 6 decades to see when the plan results in a championship team… You’ve been waiting 6.

Get in line fella.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:03 am

Eye roll

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 9:53 am

He doesn’t even watch the games. I find that funny

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 9:57 am

I watch the all 22… that gives me all I need actually…

KFEY93
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 11:33 am

Live View of NLNVF watching the all 22 instead of live games so he gets the full context of both teams on the field after being a Vikings fan since only 2017.

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bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:16 am

A couple of years ago it was pretty much unanimously agreed that the Bengals needed to draft O-line in the first round, but they went WR instead and that has worked out pretty well for them. Now JJ just gets to watch his college buddies playing together and competing for championships.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:20 am

LOLOL. HOW CAN A TEAM DO THIS SO QUICKLY!!!!

Remember a couple years ago when TB embarrassed super Mahomes in the SB and they fixed their OL in one offseason too?

LOLOL good times.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 9:24 am

Salient point. The Bengals are building a Championship team and have been for a number of years. Last year their defense was tied with Dallas for 5th best in the league in points allowed per game. Their offense ranked 7th in the league in points scored.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:52 am

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:02 am

A few things I see with this stance –

  1. Poor sample size – KAM/KOC have had only 2 years to assemble what they’ve assembled thus far.
  2. You don’t know for sure that they HAVEN’T tried to acquire Championship caliber talent – takes 2 to do a draft trade, and they haven’t had a lot of picks to offer up, or $$ that is needed to afford said talent.
  3. We aren’t the Cowboys, who used to just buy a championship team. We need to rely on developing draft picks, and that doesn’t happen overnight, especially with so few picks to make.
Mick
Mick
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:04 am

All very good and reasonable takes.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:04 am

The Cowboys bought their championship team for another team that was dumb enough to give them 8 draft picks and 4 players.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:06 am

Maybe the Vikings can swing that for JJ.

🙂

If it means a SB…cya Justin.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:08 am

3 firsts, 3 seconds, a third and give them 2 thirds with JJ? Yeah, bye JJ.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:19 am

Yep.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:20 am

Think Jerry is interested? They should probably throw in Diggs too. That would be some awesome karma.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:24 am

IDK.
Does Jerry have a medical marijuana card?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 10:29 am

Not sure about that, but he does like big name players and if you let him start thinking of pairing JJ with Cooks and Lamb he might not be able to resist. Maybe get a couple whiskeys in him first.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:18 am

LOL….

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:11 am

Reasonable take Northwoods. That said, the very questionable moves KAM has made now in two drafts (to me) demonstrate he doesn’t have what it takes to pull off a great deal. Rather he looks to get worked by other teams on the regular. Z Smith and Hock were great additions to the team BTW so kudo’s for those moves, but now Smith is gone. KAM brought in Davenport at $13M whose resume isn’t exactly glowing. He’s a good DE, but not a guy offenses will struggle to handle.

To say KAM just hasn’t had enough opportunity yet I think is a fair point, but he still has made a lot of errors thus far in my opinion.

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:15 am

I don’t have the memory to keep track of all the data, were there other DEs available that were better and for the same price?

I’m hoping that a couple of the other newer depth guys will develop into starters.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:19 am

Davenport was the one of the top 3 Edge on the market.

Dremont Jones got 3/51 29 games started 22 sacks

Zach Allen got 3/48 35 games started 11.5 sacks

Marcus Daventport 1/13 32 games staretd 21.5 sacks

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:21 am

I agree the Vikings should have taken a DL at #23.
But the team went 13-4 last year.
Saying KAM/KOC have been bad so far is just your opinion.

The 13-4 record speaks for itself.
Let’s see how year 2 goes.

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:34 am

After 55 years of not seeing them hoist the trophy, it’s very hard to be patient.

At least the odds of the Vikings winning an Owl are increasing every year that they don’t win.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:37 am

Getting closer to them winning the SB every day. Not sure the count, but I’m guessing it’s at least like 2000 days.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:38 am

19,505 days since the Vikings won the NFL championship Jan 4 1970.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 10:46 am

Nice pull! That was some cipherin…

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 10:52 am

I’ll bet he didn’t account for Leap Years…….likely flawed.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Northwoods
31 May 2023 10:55 am

check the math.

🙂

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 11:02 am

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Northwoods
Reply to  bowbunch
31 May 2023 10:43 am

Assuming a non-zero probability, it is true that conducting more trials increases the overall likelihood of the desired outcome. However, there is no particular number of trials that guarantees that outcome; rather, the probability that it will already have occurred approaches but never quite reaches 100%.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 8:22 am

Yeah they were lights out in the playoffs

Defensively.. The scheme was an absolute mess. But, our playmakers came up with big plays to get some wins.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
31 May 2023 8:29 am

the lights definitely out in the playoffs.

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 7:09 am

WHY! HE WAS SO GOOD!!! KAMdumdum

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 7:42 am

He dumb

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
31 May 2023 7:52 am

Which one? LOLOL

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 7:04 am

This story needs to be pushed out more prominently. Taking peoples land for BS climate change, green energy crap has to stop.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:45 am

We’ll just conveniently forget about the white man slaughtering the native Americans for their land.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 9:48 am

Non sequitur argument

stuman55
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 10:48 am

or we can talk about it incessantly for the next 150 years? Who the hell has forgotten?

Mick
Mick
31 May 2023 6:49 am

GM

FTP

DE Viking
Reply to  Mick
31 May 2023 6:54 am

Glory days…..

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Surly Viking
Admin
31 May 2023 5:16 am

Good Morning.

FTP!

Happy Hump Day!

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Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 6:04 am

Too bad he did not have that much time on 4th and 8

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 6:18 am

Cousins can definitely sling it, and even when getting crushed repeatedly, he can stay focused and get the ball out accurately. This is throwing against air and working on timing. Nice throw on the corner route, and nice catch by Jalen Nailor though.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 6:23 am

Yes of course, that’s his fault.

DE Viking
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 6:48 am

LOL….
You all brag on Kirk, and nothing is ever his fault.
Have at it soaking up practicing with no pressure.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
31 May 2023 6:59 am

I think the facts speak for themselves here DE. Over the last 5 years Cousins has been the most hit, knocked down, sacked and pressured QB in the league playing behind one of the most consistently bad lines. YET only 4 QB’s have thrown for more yards, and only 3 have thrown more TD’s than he has.

To me, Cousins has been pretty remarkable considering he is pressured so much, so often.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
31 May 2023 8:45 am

Crank Yankers was pretty damn funny in its day.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
31 May 2023 9:43 am

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 9:35 am

I would always like an upgrade, but if he had been given another second or 2, I do agree 4th and 8 could have been converted. That is on the O line.

Too bad he cannot create that 2 seconds with his legs.

Until the season starts and I have more ammo, 4th and 8 will be my common response to anything positive about Kirk

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 9:39 am

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 9:44 am

And mine will be 4th and 18… grin. That pocket completely collapsed on that play and Cousins wasn’t going to get away from that defender. That’s the facts here. The play call was flawed. The Giants had been pounding on Cousins all day, so KOC calls a play where all three WR’s on the field run deep routes, and JJ is Cousins first read. Cousins has to hold the ball while reading the defense and also if JJ is going to cut the route short and give him a target. That doesn’t pan out. Then the rush is hitting him and he has to just get the ball out to Hockensen. If the play allowed Hockensen to work the middle of the field rather breaking to the outside, then Cousins likely hits him for a first down.

That’s how I see it and will for the foreseeable future.

JacksonVike
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 1:02 pm

Just for fun, didn’t KJ drop a pass on 3rd an eight right before the 4th and 8?

KFEY93
Reply to  JacksonVike
31 May 2023 1:28 pm

A pass that was thrown behind him and not in stride, sure did.

Northwoods
Reply to  Surly Viking
31 May 2023 8:11 am

Oh BOY! A Kirk Cousins debate! I can hardly believe it.

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Northwoods
Reply to  Lifer
31 May 2023 8:27 am

The good:
There’s absolutely no way it could have been intercepted.
It was a TD.

The bad:
Stared down the receiver.
Led him a bit too far, creating an awkward catch that almost resulted in coming down out of bounds.
He was wide open several yards before that spot and could have been hit in stride easily for a more sure catch, especially given the fact that Cousins had zero pressure.

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Gone fishin'

I'm a dad, husband, Army vet, believer, and a die-hard, life-long Vikings fan from the great state of North Dakota. I've been a Viking fan dating back to 1980, I've been covering the Vikings for nearly a decade, and I founded Skoloholics in 2022. I work in real estate and property management, I love spending time with family, working in the yard, doing anything in the outdoors, and as you can tell from my username, I love fishing. SKOL!!!!!!!!!!

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