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Saw somewhere on the interweb that Cousins would come back for a 1 year deal at 12 to 14 million. Seems like a bargain.
Happy KirkTuesday!!
I like two basic things in a QB ( Cousins or anyone else ).
STAY on the field and be able to throw the ball accurately. After that is gravy.
So, if we can get anyone in the 12 -14 mil range that can meet those two basics, go for it. We do not have that now on the roster.
I think KOC still wants to run his adaptive route running scheme, where the receivers read the defense, and alter their routes accordingly, but that is a very cerebral offense. It takes smart receivers, who can adjust their routes “on the fly” as it were, plus a QB who can anticipate what a receiver is going to do, and still deliver an accurate ball, while avoiding the rush. I think KOC understood he couldn’t do that with Darnold, so he simplified the scheme for him. Darnold put up big numbers in that simplified scheme. Now we have to see where KOC goes with McCarthy after two years with him. He has to know what McCarthy can, and cannot do well. Is there enough skill level there for KOC to produce a solid passing offense this year with McCarthy under center? We’ll see.
Those two items were my ground start “basics.” If we can get read the defense, throw with anticipation in an adaptive system, that would be great, but we are moving up the food chain.
I agree… KOC’s adaptive route scheme is at the top of the heap in challenging defenses. It can be very, very hard to stop. You just have to have the receivers and the QB who can execute it. K.J. Osborn talked about how hard it was as a receiver, to aggressively run a route combination with another receiver while also reading the defense, and determining what adjustment he needed to make. Very difficult. We saw with Darnold though, that a good arm, and decent reads, can work. If you are running the stick route with a wide receiver and the out under with the slot, it’s probably one of the simplest reads a QB can make. You’re looking at the safety, and the CB leverage to try and force a receiver inside or outside, and just seeing if the stick is there post snap or not. If not, then you drill the 5 yard out the slot is running under the stick, and call it a day. There are many very simple route combinations like this a QB can master if you really want to know. Brady lived on these kinds of throws his whole career as did Montana.
Good morning NoDak… I’ve seen all sorts of speculation on the internet about what Cousins wants, would accept, etc. I think it boils down to the team making the offer more than anything else. He’s not going to play for the Jets, or the Browns, or the Raiders. He wants to be the starter, on a team that can contend. I don’t see any situation out there that meets that criteria other than the Vikings, but I think the “organization” is getting its fiscal house in order, and are still thinking McCarthy might could get the job done. Thus, the Vikings probably won’t be calling on Cousins. I imagine Wentz is still on their radar, and maybe they’re looking at Andy Dalton, Jacoby Brissett, Derek Carr, and Geno Smith in lieu of Wentz.
LOL, best of luck to him.
In other news, I want to pitch for the Braves.
Exactly… it isn’t happening.
Interesting…
Laughing…
He almost escaped in the nick of time.
The difference between politicians, and real leaders.
Can someone help me with a “factual” number – this is not an opinion thing.
And I’m curious now because their are numbers being thrown around (earlier today) and folks thinking.
I’m not good at internet searches, but everywhere I look Kirk Cousins had 4 lost fumbles in 2023. BUT, some are adamant it’s 7, and some 3 with only one lost.
Now I apologize up front as most every expert I read talks about QB/INT ratio as a big deal. But somehow we got into fumbles which is in of itself off the main road.
So question – what is the ACTUAL number?
I just got 4 with a search.
I believe it was somewhere between 3 and 7 fumbles.
I guess I could rewatch the 8 games and do a tally for myself.
That said, it isn’t all that important. Cousins passing statistics were off the charts in 2023, so if he was hit and fumbled the ball, it doesn’t matter.
Agree really – was just curious.
But on this matter, I believe what Joe Bugle ( I know you know him and he knows what he is talking about) says 80% of quarterback fumbles are on the offensive lineman.
So this entire fumble thing was a huge red herring.
It is a red herring, for sure. Joe Bugle certainly said that too. I ascribe to that position as well. QB’s don’t just drop the ball arbitrarily. They fumble when they get hit. Duh.
I have found a source that said Cousins had 7 fumbles in 2023. Same source says Dobbs had 14 fumbles in 2023 in 13 games.
I apologize to KFEY for saying he was lying. I was wrong, as some of my original sources showed far different data.
See above. I was curious and just looked it up and AI or whatever came back and told me 4 and so did one other site.
And now I am totally messed up.
Yes… depending on where you look, the data is different, so I had to apologize.
Just one of those things, when there is conflicting data.
Thank you, that’s all I wanted. Go to the NFL’s official website and stats page, it lists 7 fumbles. For a total of 13 turnovers. I would imagine the NFL’s website takes the official stat keepers stats but I wouldn’t know for sure. And for some reason ESPN’s website only lists 4. *shrugs*
Good of you to say thanks.
I ain’t a bad guy, please and thank you’s.
The world needs a whole lot more ‘please and thank you’s.’
Umm…
That’s a tough challenge.
He must have gotten married.
Marco Rubio is very, very solid. Best Sec of State I can remember.
Agree 100%
Agree 100%
We arrive in Destin tomorrow
We are headed there in June. This will be our 3rd time, my wife loves it there, I think it is over commercialized, we usually go to the State Park beaches.
Cape Canaveral was pretty fun, Cocoa Beach was, too. We love it here by Lauderdale, our first vacation here.
Next time, we want to stay only long enough the Gulf coast.
Perfect weather here, beautiful today.
The Pentagon has confirmed that the entire Iranian navy is now at the bottom of the ocean.
They had a Navy? 6 or 8 pt type boats.
I guess there used to be 11 ships. At least one of them was a “carrier” for launching drones.
It is probably a pretty good time for those idiots in Congress to pass funding for our Homeland Security Dept – we kind of need them to really be on their game right now.
Cackles had a ‘Presidential Message’ to send???
a girl can dream.
Probably a blow job
Wouldn’t have worked, they are only interested in virgins.
So much winning. I can’t take anymore.
And New York, Illinois, Minnesota (several others) against.
I don’t understand how any sane person can stay in Minnesota. My parents hate it, but won’t leave. I don’t even want to visit anymore, but people still choose to live their entire lives there. Blows my mind.
It is actually worse than Commifornia now, I didn’t think it was possible for a US state to be run worse than that.
New York is fast approaching.
Virginia on the ‘fast track’ now as well.
I don’t enjoy going anymore, we stay only long enough to attend the game/event, and then gtfo. Years ago, we’d make a multi-day trip out of it, not anymore.
Good chunk of the rural population in that state does not reflect the voting or crazy woke bullshit that permeates the cities.
Lot of good people in rural Minny that don’t want to leave. Can’t speak for all of them but my immediate family in the SW Minnesota loves everything about it – including that it’s not the cities.
Amen. Rural Minnesota is much different than the city.
For sure. But Twin Cities Suburbia is getting majorly affected now too.
only here because family is here and my wife will not move.
I hate the weather, and the taxes and politics are making it worse.
Russia is bowing out, to nobody’s surprise.
And more, I just can’t take it anymore. Next their going to disband the IRS.
Good.
Worthless, corrupt, woke, pile of garbage.
Exactly! Bye bye – good riddance.
IRS. Haha one can only wish.
Looks like I’m officially going to poutine land for a couple of days this spring.
For work? Where are you going?
Yeah, Vancouver.
I spent time there multiple times when I was stationed in Washington. The memories of those trips are…..foggy.
Vancouver is a big city. Definitely has its pretty and cool areas. Enjoy!
I doubt I will get to see much other than the inside of a hotel and conference center. Looks like I’ll be at a pretty nice hotel though and get to see the outside of the Canucks arena.
Tide almost in. Just like real life, spend a bunch of time and effort building something, then mother nature laughs & comes in and destroys it.
The water is perfect
11 billion thanks for posting the thread, Bow.
In Florida, rented a Tesla, fun to drive but no way in hell I would own one.
it’s beautiful down here.
This morning.
Where are you it?
For sure beautiful weather today.
Riviera Beach, just north of Ft. Lauderdale.
Amazing weather, couldn’t ask for better. We’re gonna go deep sea fishing one day here, either tomorrow or Thursday.
Sitting in the hot tub, fixin’ to head back to the beach.
Hay, you’re close to Trump territory.
A little interesting factoid someone recently told me. Every menber of Riviera Beach City Council has spent time in jail. They are all truly crooks there.
Are you out on Singer Island there?
Yep, that’s where we’re at. Oceana Palms, great place, quiet & relaxing. Great recreational stuff to do, found some really good food last night, Buccaneers or something like that, the food was amazing.
You have West Palm on one side and North Palm on the other – mile each way.
And there are tons of great places to eat around there.
Drove near Mar-A-Lago yesterday.
Palm Beach is beautiful.
My son has a Tesla. There are so many bells and whistles on those things that when I get in one, I feel obsolete.
My sister rented a Mercury SUV last summer that I rode in and it was too much. You couldn’t even adjust where the vents were blowing without going through the touchscreen.
Yep, just getting the son of a bitch into drive and back into park was a chore. Adjusting the mirrors was impossible while driving, my wife had to try to figure all that shit out while I was going down the road. I didn’t realize it was that much different than a regular car. I’ve never driven an electric before.
I also dislike the push button transmission on my wife’s Acura.
Once upon a time we arrived late into Orlando, like 4 hours late at 1 am. We were anxious to get to the time share so hopped into the car and basically drove off. I’m on that beeway toll road when I realize I can’t figure out the stupid wipers and the internal gauge illumination has been dialed all the way down. Since then, I always make sure I know where all the normal controls are before heading out.
I’ll just never drive an electric car again, problem solved.
BMW’s electronic gear lever is another culprit. Confusing!
I’d take an electric car for my daily commute. 10 mile round trip, driving 5 miles at a time is no bueno for ICE vehicles.
Agreed.
Think low, and go LOWER!
Cool of him to acknowledge that he’s not producing at the level of his salary. You don’t see that often anymore
I do think we should pursue competence at the QB position first and foremost at the moment. Just my personal take. To me McCarthy remains a project, and really a question mark. The other 52 guys on the team, deserve stability under center, that gives us an ability to contend. Andy Dalton, Jacoby Brissett, Derek Carr, and Geno Smith are guys who can still run an NFL offense competently. Even Wentz is a more stable choice IMO.
Certainly Cousins could lead the offense to a top 5 status, but he’s just not gonna be affordable.
That’s just my take from the cheap seats.
Sounds like the Jets are officially releasing Justin Fields.
Yeah… and there’s a reason for that. Fields isn’t a competent QB. He’s always been a great athlete and playmaker type. A guy who will do great things at times. To me, that’s just not what a team needs. In the NFL you need a guy with a good brain and a good arm. Over the last many years, teams have invested in athletes who can make plays with their legs, with the idea they could develop as a passer. I don’t see this model changing much either, because frankly finding a guy with a fast brain and very accurate arm, is a lot harder than finding a guy who can make plays with his legs. The NFL is enamored with the dual threat QB concept. They want a flashy playmaker under center to thrill the crowds and sell jerseys.
Is what it is, but I want a guy with a fast brain, and an accurate arm.
These QB’s are what college produces so NFL changes probably why RB isn’t a bib deal anymore.
I’m quite the opposite. Run with the proven choice, McFragile™. He stumbled out of the starting blocks but he’s just starting to hit his stride. Why give him anxiety by putting a better QB on the squad?
Laughing… well said… tongue in cheek.
No, he was talking about Cousins.
Cousins in his prime was never part of a Top 5 total offense. What makes you think past his mid-tier prime, and post major injury he would be capable of leading a top 5 offense? Mysteries abound.
Cousins routinely had his teams passing offense in the top 10 of the league. The problem was a new OC every year, and the offense never maturing. Still every single year, the Vikings passing offense with Cousins was always very good. This offense is fully mature, and talented. With Cousins running it, it could be amongst the best in the league. If you recall the year he suffered the Achilles injury, he was leading the league in passing TD’s and second in passing yards when he went down. That was his second year in KOC’s offense.
Yes, Cousins would be killing it with KOC if he returned here.
I believe he was also leading the league in turnovers when he got injured.
I have no idea if that was leading the league. But he had 18 td’s against 5 int’s and 4 fumbles with a 104 passing rating.
Think that would stack up pretty good against what we saw last year from our QB’s.
And in 23, we had zero running game.
He had 3 fumbles, with just 1 lost in 2023… so he wasn’t “leading the league” in turnovers.
Incorrect, in 2023 he had 7 Fumbles and 5 INTs in 8 games. And was close to if no the lead league in turn overs at the QB position.
He did not have 7 fumbles in 2023… that’s a complete lie. I double checked and ESPN showed he had 3 fumbles with 1 lost, but other sources say he had 4. He definitely DID NOT have 7.
Incorrect, in 2023 he had 7 Fumbles and 5 INTs in 8 games. And was close to if no the lead league in turn overs at the QB position.
Does any of this really matter. 5 or 7 fumbles? But in 7.5 games he had 18 td’s for like 2300 yards, jefferson was hurt and we had no running game.
Compared to the boys we had under center this year, I’ll take that all day.
So if I’m incorrect about the fumbles I could care. But overall level of play, another matter.
Yes it does, he was literally turning the ball over ON HIS OWN almost twice a game. Thats unsustainable and was a big part of why despite his “amazing faux MVP passing stats” their record was ass and they were losing games. To ignore that is ignoring the whole picture. Regardless, he’s not our problem any more and we should all remaining optimistic to never see him under center in Purple ever again, unless its for the Ravens I spose.
Do you see our QB’s last year? I realize you hate Cousins, I could care, just want competent QB play.
And in your whole picture, perhaps my memory is fuzzy did you count having your own guard (ingram) strip sack his own QB. And twice out tackle threw ola blocks causing the QB to get blindsided in the back just as he was cocking his arm.
Still, overall, I’ll take the 18 td’s and 2300 yards, and the turnovers, and with no running game, over our present state of affairs.
And I WON”T be optimistic until we can at least get that level of play under center. I don’t care who that may be.
Oh, and what cherry picking bullshit. Fumbles are real but td’s are faux passing stats.
And you claim NLV is biased.
From GROK
Kirk Cousins’ 2023 NFL season (with the Minnesota Vikings) was cut short due to a season-ending Achilles injury after 8 games. He started all 8 games he played in, posting strong efficiency numbers despite the limited sample.
Here are his key passing stats for 2023:
He averaged about 291.4 yards per game with a very low interception rate (only 5 in those 8 games), leading to one of the higher passer ratings in the league for that partial season. This performance came before his injury in Week 8.
These figures are consistent across sources like NFL.com, Pro-Football-Reference, StatMuse, and team bios. Note that some current listings show his 2025 stats (with the Falcons), but the 2023 numbers above are specific to that year.
Hope it helps and I don’t care if he comes back but better be cheap couple mill up to 5 otherwise no.
Kirko Chainz don’t play for less than $50 mill a year, with a 3 year guarantee. He’s only number 3 on the all time highest paid player list. Vet minimum ain’t gonna get him to #1.
I’ll bet he’ll play for 15 (maybe 20) next year.
Not a chance. If he doesn’t get a multi year deal worth at least 40 per year he will retire and go to the booth.
there is no way under the sun he can command 40 at his age, snd he knows it.
7 fumbles are missing from your stats. Again. Can not be ignored when looking at the WHOLE picture. And lets be real. You and I both know Cousins was not going to keep up that pace the rest of the way through.
Cousins did not have 7 fumbles in 2023
There’s an echo in here.
It’s your site, put up some sound absorbent curtains or something.
Sometimes you have to repeat something a few times for the older folk to get what you’re saying.
No, he wasn’t… not even close. he had 18 TD’s in 8 games, with 5 interceptions. He was completing almost 70% of his passes, and averaging over 291 yards a game. He was at the top of the league in passing production, with a 103.8 passer rating. Prolific.
And if we’re into little factoids today, as I recall Jefferson was out with a leg injury and perhaps Hock also.
I believe you’re right on Jefferson… he missed the last three games Cousins played in with an injury. Can’t rememberize about Hock.
Incorrect, in 2023 he had 7 Fumbles and 5 INTs in 8 games. And was close to if no the lead league in turn overs at the QB position.
Total lie…. he did not have 7 fumbles in 2023.
Dude, it takes 2 seconds to google it. Don’t accuse me of lying because you have your head where the sun doesn’t shine and are delusional when it comes to this clown.
Summary
Kirk Cousins had 4 lost fumbles in 2023. This statistic reflects his performance during the season, contributing to his overall game metrics as a quarterback
Routinely = Twice in a decade I guess. And never once was it close to top 5. So, just go ahead and admit you misspoke and we can all move on with our day and be better for it. Try it, it feel’s good.
Who cares if it was top.5? If we were top 8 – 10 last year with our defense, we could win playoff games.
Your almighty and all knowing internet buddy stated that Cousins could hop in and run a top 5 offense. That is what spurred my comment. He never has been capable of doing that and never will be. That was my point. That is all. And Its really crazy how the end goal for some is to just “make the play offs” I get the strawman argument that you have to get there to have a chance to get to the bowl but its a full of holes. Plenty of poor teams make the play offs with the current structure. Winning 10 games and playing one play off game and being done is not a goal. Building a team that can own a division for half a decade and get to conference championships is the goal. Thats how you get to the bowl. This roster is still lacking depth due to poor drafting over the past 4 years, its not there. Kwerky ain’t changing that. No QB we bring in right now is changing that. JJ is going to have to improve, and do it fast. Thats our options until 2027. I get us as fans would rather them “win” some more regular season games for enjoyment factor and sneak into the play offs but, if you want the trophy at the end of the day, you have to see the bigger picture.
This would be easy except for the other pesky teams doing the same thing…
Big picture – tell me how many teams win a SB when they don’t even make the playoffs?
the idea that you have to be poor for a while to them be great is total BS.
Read Collins’ books and he’s the one who coined the phrase ‘good is the enemy of great.’ That’s why he wrote the second book Good to Great.
And us fans (me) want to win a SB but fully understand you have to win a lot of games to do that.
Laughing…
Reminds me of the old ‘Polish Mine Detector’ joke.
Speaking of China tech, Iran must have some fancy EW capability that jams IFF…three f-15 Strike Eagles (or 2 F-15’s and a F-18 depending on source) shot down by friendly fire over Kuwait, with (reportedly) no attempts to evade the SAMs. That’s gonna hurt, those birds are pricey!
I haven’t seen this report, but SAM’s aren’t going to be located outside of Iran, so they aren’t shooting down aircraft over Kuwait. EW suites on aircraft identify ground radars for SAM sites and AAA, then jam those radars. IFF isn’t affected by ground radars. The only way IFF is going to affect an aircraft is if the enemy aircraft successfully spoofs the daily IFF code, to allow it to close on our aircraft undetected, and fire on them. Which has never happened as far as I know.
Report on the incident, info still coming out.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/3-us-warplanes-shot-down-kuwaiti-air-defenses-pilots-bail-out-friendly-fire-incident-centcom-says
OK, that link takes me to Fox, which wants me to disable my ad blocker. So I didn’t read it. Headline says it was the Kuwait air defense systems, which makes sense, since our EW systems were programmed to defeat the Iranian air defense systems. Likely Iranian aircraft were in the area, and the systems alerted on them and fired, but the three F-15’s were in close proximity and the SAM’s hit them.
Yeah they want me to disable my ad blocker as well. Apple has a setting that allows me to work around it. The help desk helped me find and activate it since I am ‘Tech Dumb’ and old.
I’m only speculating, as it can happen in DCS (a dynamic photorealistic flight combat simulator) that IFF is jammed by the target, such that when the SAM battery (Kuwaiti or American battery deployed in Kuwait) interrogates the aircraft it gets no response and hence may be viewed as a hostile. As an in-game example, a SU-34 EW (Russian) or EA-18 Growler (American) aircraft can jam all sorts of communication, radar, and navigation, the game gives a verbal notification from AEW aircraft that one is encountering jamming, which means using long range missiles is not advised lest blue on blue incident happens. Again speculating, perhaps the aircraft were returning from a mission in a three ship formation and were interpreted as hostile by the SAM battery given transponder jamming of IFF signals, and in turn the airmen were relaxed and perhaps assumed the launch warning (if they received one in a jamming environment) was false.
I assume this level of jamming sophistication is beyond Iran’s capability but we all know the Chinese are great at copying western tech.
Didn’t see this one coming.
They think he is no longer worth what he would cost?
Do they have cap issues?? A salary savings move???
Gibbs will be my keeper again this year
Here’s a more reasonable assessment of the QB situation. I think most folks get this.
After watch all the ‘good’ people of Minneapolis over the past several weeks, it seems Kyler Murray would be a good fit for this city – immature, childish but a woke video game talent.
Nice call…
He sucks
And the people of Minneapolis?
Thanks for the new thread Bow.
Any news on the quarterback situation, other than Cousins may or may not suck?
To summarize Vikings QB news out of the Combine:
-they want a QB competition
– they want a new starter
– they believe in JJ McCarthy
– they want to get rid of JJ McCarthy
-they like Kyler Murray
-they don’t think Kyler Murray is a fit
– they are open to anything
– they’re specifically targeting Geno Smith
-they want Derek Carr
– they haven’t even talked to the Saints about Derek Carr
Hope this helps…
Decent ‘partial’ summary.
Thanks for some levity on a Monday morning.
It depends on your definition of ‘News’.
More like ‘hot takes’.
FTP !!
FTP Auto Rec.
FTP, and let’s keep it rollin in Iran
Ya think?
I saw something that said the new leader of Hesbollah was killed like 30 minutes after taking over.