Minnesota Vikings Discussion – SkolAsylum: 2 APRIL 2024

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VIKINGS NEWS

Cam Bynum earned about 750k in incentives last season. He does not suck, don’t cut him.

The Vikings are allegedly the most ideal spot for a rookie QB

NFL NEWS

Former NFL Pro Bowl CB Vontae Davis is dead at 35, RIP, no details as of now other that foul play is not expected.

Question of the Day

Do you trust KOC to identify a viable QB draft pick and KAM’s ability to navigate up the board to get him?

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No longer New Vikings Fan
3 April 2024 7:34 am

So after two years with KAM and KOC, I’m not convinced we have an identity we can hang our hats on. Is this the year with 16 free agent players leaving, seven of them starters, that we see a commitment to something? No one has ever even asked KOC what he’s building towards. What is his specific vision? Where are we going? Teams like the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the 49ers, have a concrete identity. Even the Lions. Right now I don’t know what KAM and KOC are really doing.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
3 April 2024 7:39 am

I think it’s pretty clear they are keeping the Wilfs happy with staying competitive and keeping butts in seats, that’s #1 clearly to the ownership. Then balancing that with getting out from under Wreck-it Wryck’s bloated contracts which is still happening next year paying over 20 million to a QB who isn’t even on the team. 2025 season is the season where you’ll see the real identity emerge. You can hate it all you want but clearly the first identity is staying competitive and 2nd is getting out from big bloated kick the can down the road contracts.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
3 April 2024 7:52 am

They were saddled with an expensive QB after years of mortgaging the future by Slick, all of which lead to two playoff appearances.

While I don’t know what your “identity” question is even about, I do know they are going with a younger roster and fresh start, after 6 years of great mediocrity.

I have zero expectation that they win now, but I didn’t have that expectation for the last 6 years either. So I’m happy they are trying something new for a change.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
3 April 2024 8:13 am

They had a QB that produced more passing TD’s across six seasons than any other Vikings QB in history, so they had that piece, spot on. Slick paid other players big contracts too, which you fail to acknowledge, and they didn’t exactly light up the league like the QB did.

The team failed because the players that were brought in through the draft and free agency, never lived up to their billing. The QB did. So I disagree with your premise here. They got the QB right. The rest of the story was a litany of failure in my opinion.

That said, this has nothing to do with having an identity and clear vision on what you are building.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
3 April 2024 8:04 am

The “vision” thing is hard – it’s hard in business, politics, and yes even football. I have no idea what theirs is. But to this end, I can tell you what the Chargers are going to be with Harbaugh – you think they aren’t going to have a great offensive line, run the ball and play physical football.
Unlike some other folks, to me, cleaning up ‘bloated contracts et all,’ is merely straightening out the balance sheet – hardly a vision or an establishment of a new direction.
And I’m all for doing something different if what you are doing isn’t working. Bur first, before you do anything, you need to have a vision or something to direct your new activities. And saying something like – trying to build a SB team – is merely a motherhood or I’m for clean air type thing.

KFEY93
2 April 2024 3:33 pm

Rick and Ponder cant hurt you anymore doomers. They are gone. Let them go. That has no bearing at this team at this time or its future.

freezeyface
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 3:36 pm

i don’t think it’s wrong if people don’t want to crown KAM as a draft guru QUITE yet….

KFEY93
Reply to  freezeyface
2 April 2024 3:38 pm

Nothing I said has anything to do with KAM, and neither am I crowning any body. But, its getting a little hold seeing people say “Im scared to draft a QB because of Ponder.” Like…wtf kind of mentality is that? I sat through Ponder like everyone else here, could not care less. Vikings have drafted how many QBs in the first round in their entire existence…2..3? Thats crazy low compared to everyone else. Let it happen and just relax.

freezeyface
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 3:52 pm

well kam has the same job as rick…

i don’t think it’s dumb some people aren’t as excited as the former doomers are….

i, for one, am excited for the draft, to see what shakes out for the vikings. i hope kam doesn’t have an epic lewis cine type miss haha

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 4:05 pm

I have more faith in them picking who they want then I do of KAM getting them without getting hosed.

Seems almost like KAM enjoys getting hosed. No Kink Shaming of course.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 4:40 pm

Sort of like having a jack,five and the dealer is showing a seven. You know you gotta take a hit, it’s exciting and all……….

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  KFEY93
3 April 2024 7:40 am

Right? And NOBODY said he was a guru. His drafts haven’t been great. The best player he landed was an absolute no brainer that he almost passed on/traded out of it would seem.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 3:41 pm

Looks like I’ve missed another exciting day here?

KFEY93
Reply to  bowbunch
2 April 2024 3:50 pm

Not really. Whole lotta nothing. Next 3 weeks can not go fast enough.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 9:19 pm

Rick and Ponder cant hurt you anymore doomers

But sometimes nightmares do hurt…..

onceb4idie
onceb4idie
2 April 2024 2:06 pm

I’m dumb and don’t know how to post twitter feeds. Not sure if it is a legit account but I really hope this is true

🚨🚨BREAKING: The #Vikings and #Patriots are finalizing a deal that would send 3 first round picks to New England in exchange for the 3rd overall pick in the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft. 🤯🤯🤯 pic.twitter.com/b6M8RkGrem

— NFC North News (@NFCNorthNewss) April 2, 2024

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🚨🚨BREAKING: The #Vikings and #Patriots are finalizing a deal that would send 3 first round picks to New England in exchange for the 3rd overall pick in the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft. 🤯🤯🤯 pic.twitter.com/b6M8RkGrem

— NFC North News (@NFCNorthNewss) April 2, 2024

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freezeyface
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 2:13 pm

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  freezeyface
2 April 2024 2:13 pm

It does have that extra S in account name.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 2:13 pm

Now we just have to pray that The CryBaby doesn’t fall to #3.

freezeyface
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 2:36 pm

it will be fun watching a qb that has a fresh manicure with pink or purple finger nails every sunday though

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  freezeyface
2 April 2024 2:54 pm

It will be fun watching him from a distance, as much distance from our team as we can manage.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 3:15 pm

Wonder what Butkus would do?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 3:16 pm

CryBaby vs Mr Old School?

I suspect that The CryBaby would refuse to sign with Chicago and force a trade of his rights.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 3:18 pm

Not convinced he goes #1, you?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 3:22 pm

I pray that he does,

First cause the dumpster fire in Chicago would be glorious, almost as good as Packer tears.

Second if he falls there is a chance that the Kumbaya Crew drafts him thinking the drama he brings could be worth it.

Of course it is possible we get stuck with him/it because Vikings.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 3:26 pm

True, Ponder at #12. We are capable.

KFEY93
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 3:25 pm

What are you gonna do if he actually is a good QB? Has that ever crossed your mind?

KFEY93
Reply to  onceb4idie
2 April 2024 3:18 pm

Its not legit. You can tell by looking at the Twitter handles. If they have something dumb in it like the word News, written like Newss…..its fake.

norseman1
norseman1
2 April 2024 1:22 pm

T-23 and counting. Then we bash another QB?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 1:25 pm

I don’t think I will bash the QB unless it is The Crybaby.
I might bash how much we had to give up to get said QB.

Much like I Bashed the Trade Back to get Cine, I didn’t have a problem with Cine at the time but I bashed the trade.
I can bash them both now, which is nice.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 1:26 pm

I am greatly concerned with the Vikings QB situation. I do not fault KAM, he had to get the fiscal house in order. But I’m afeared we’re going to see some very bad QB play for awhile.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:28 pm

Comeback player of the year for 2024.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:06 pm

Is Irv Smith… duuuhhhh

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 2:10 pm

Have a little faith.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 2:10 pm

He is overdue to break out.
It is called for every year, they have to be right eventually.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:32 pm

And honestly Ben, I think there’s a chance he’ll be decent. To date he’s really been poor though. I read an article that said something like “now that he’s in a QB friendly system, he’s likely to improve”. Whoever wrote that article is an idiot. KOC’s scheme is extremely hard on the QB as we’ve discussed here. The receivers alter their routes as they run them, based on what they see the defense doing. Thus the QB has to decipher both what the defense is doing, and what the receivers are doing. It’s like double the processing of a normal passing offense.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:38 pm

Interesting. But don’t you think Darnold with NFL experience has a better chance of digesting KOC’s complicated scheme than a rookie.
And, this is probably the best chance he is ever going to get to really “make it.” Pretty strong motivation.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 1:41 pm

Oh I definitely think Darnold should have a leg up on any rookie. That said, Darnold’s passer rating over his career is truly miserable, as is his completion percentage, and interceptions.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 2:01 pm

What do you suppose Burrow’s numbers would have been if he had played for Jets and Panthers under similar circumstances.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:13 pm

Dunno, but Burrow is a very good QB, and he is much better under duress. Darnold gets happy feet, and misses receivers badly under duress.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 2:18 pm

true Burrow is very good, but don’t believe his numbers would be near as good if he had gone to Jets.
Darnold may get happy feet, but so will every single one of the athletic QB’s – it’s their nature.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 1:41 pm

‘Darnold with NFL experience has a better chance of digesting KOC’s complicated scheme’

He hasn’t shown that yet anywhere he has been.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:46 pm

Appropriate as ‘shitting’ is part of digestion.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:45 pm

True… one can hope though.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:47 pm

As mentioned below ‘hope is not the basis for a plan’.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:46 pm

OK, But how would any of this year’s QB prospects looked playing for the Jets and Panthers under same conditions.
For example, I just herd a pretty good analyst opine that JJ would fare well with the Vikings but fail badly with Patriots. believe circumstances do matter.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 1:50 pm

All the analyst seem to think that Minn is a good landing spot for a QB.

What concerns me/us is that KOCs scheme takes longer for routes to develop and require a lot for QBs to process and the WRs react to what the defense is doing.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:56 pm

For sure I agree with that. and then there’s lack of running game and even a screen game.
But I think it’s still a better place than many of the other places a QB could land – like NE.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 1:51 pm

Pundits are going to pundit JR. The Vikings passing offense was one of the best in the league last year, so now pundits think KOC is making QB’s shine. He isn’t. His scheme is hard to master for both the QB and the receivers, and we still have a weak interior O-line. No rookie is coming in here and shine right out of the gate. Unless KOC completely changes his scheme, to one similar to the 49ers.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:44 pm

I hope we’re .500 or better this year, and maybe the defense and the running game get to top ten, and the Vikings can stay in games. If that doesn’t happen, and the load is all on the passing game (as it has been the last six seasons) I am not confident we’ll contend at all. Could be a really bad season.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 2:11 pm

Yeah, this is truly a wait and see season, if ever there was one.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:28 pm

#metoo, as SC would say.

KFEY93
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 3:20 pm

No need to bash a rookie until about season 3ish if progress is not being made. He gets slack. a 10+ year vet does not.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 3:21 pm

Sure the blog can find someone, right?

KFEY93
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 3:43 pm

Oh we’ll all find someone, you have to, thats part of being a fan lol.

norseman1
norseman1
2 April 2024 1:15 pm

Just saw a picture oof Rachel Levine, almost lost my cookies. No offense.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 1:16 pm

Transphobic!!

#metoo

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:05 pm

NLNVF glad to see you still with us.

I had an question for you.
Back when you were trying to get an MRI and the insurances couldn’t decide who was required to cover it, did that ever get resolved?

The Teacher just added me to her Calf Teachers Association Insurance since they now charge the same amount for ‘family’ as they do for single coverage, so no reason not too.
So I have Blue Shield, Medicare and Tricare. Both Blue Shield and Medicare say that they are #2 for coverage, beginning to wonder if I am better off without hers so no drama.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:23 pm

Good to be here, although I’ve been immensely wrapped up with events going on, you read about in the news (like Reuters). I’d say you’re better off without hers. I have Cigna through my employer, Medicare because I’m 69, and Blue Cross Blue Shield Government Group insurance from my Government Civilian days. Cigna is my primary per Federal law, then Medicare, then BCBS.

As to the insurance problems, I did get my work done, but it took my physician writing a letter to the insurance company via some web portal, to get authorization. I hate Cigna Insurance. They deny claims, and recently stopped covering the insulin I use for my diabetes. They gave me two meds they cover, and oh by the way, there’s a $75 co-pay. Plus there appetite suppressor in the meds so you lose weight. I don’t need to lose weight though. So my doctor is challenging them, and telling them my medication is the one I need, and my body can tolerate. Maddening.

I never had a co-pay for anything with Blue Cross Blue Shield Government Group Insurance. Every time I have a doctors visit, or see a specialist now, Cigna denies the claim first, then make me go through months of hoops to get it paid. Infuriating.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:29 pm

According to Blue Shield they are the ‘Primary’ until she retires in 3 months and then her account becomes 2nd to Medicare as a Retiree account.

Tricare stays as the Safety Net and I hope I never really need them since they suck.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:31 pm

I believe BC/BS is non profit. Is in Minny, i have it.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 1:36 pm

Could be,
Both Medicare and Tricare are ‘non profit’,
Tricare sucks and I have yet to need Medicare so no opinion of them yet.

When we were looking into Idaho we were told that they do Medical Insurance differently.

‘We take care of the patient first then figure out who pays later’ is what we were told. Quite the difference from Calif.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:35 pm

You know Tri-Care goes away at age 65 right? They expect you to convert to Medicare then.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:37 pm

Tri Care changes to Tri Care For Life and becomes the final safety net for anything left unpaid for by Medicare.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:46 pm

Hmmm… that’s not what happened to me. My Tri-care went away and I signed up for Medicare.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 1:52 pm

I called Medicare to sign up just before my 65th BD and they told me I was already signed up with them by Tri-Care.

But my Tri-Care became Tri-Care for Life although I have little hope it will ever do me any good.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:58 pm

believe Tri-Care for Life serves as a suppliment to Medicare just like my AARP plan does for me.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:00 pm

Here is the Info on Tri-Care for Life from the Tri-Care site.

https://www.tricare.mil/Plans/HealthPlans/TFL

Looks like you are still covered by it NLNFV as all that is required is Medicare card and retired Mil ID.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 2:05 pm

Yes. It’s the suppliment (wrap around) to support Medicare Parts A and B. The primary is Medicare.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:09 pm

So once The Teacher is retired I will have Medicare, then BC/BS then Tri-Care.
But her BC/BS retirement plan is only good for 10 years then it goes away.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 2:14 pm

Just know this. Medicare (basic) is OK but you need some type of suppliment.
You seem to have two backups which should be pretty good.
That said all suppliments are not created equally.
Depending on your and your wife’s health may be worth checking some others out.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:17 pm

She maxes out her coverage amounts annually but I seldom, if ever, use mine.

I just ‘rub some dirt on it’.

I have no doubt she will be all over the options in 10 years when her BC/BS runs dry.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 2:24 pm

I just know I signed up for one of the AARP plans (their best one). And I never expected to use it.
So promptly needed a knee replacement and then couple of years later caught Covid and ended up in the hospital with blood clots in the lungs.
But, both of those events didn’t cost me a dime everything was paid by both coverages. So, glad I did it.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 2:26 pm

Insurance is a waste until you need it then it can be salvation.

Glad you survived your tribulations.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 4:17 pm

Thanks – I’m fine. Just a couple of aging type events.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 5:01 pm

I get asked at the Dr if anything is changing/bothering me.
I tell them ‘heck yeah, I am getting old, everything is changing/bothering me.’

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 3:47 pm

I thought she taught kids? I didn’t realize she worked on a farm.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
2 April 2024 3:59 pm

@she teaches Calfs@

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 4:07 pm

It is a ‘Non-Standard’ spelling of Calves.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:39 pm

How old? Don’t want to click.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:43 pm

Good run.

KFEY93
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 3:21 pm

“Dont make this put…..you jack ass.”

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 11:52 am

One of the intriguing players in the draft is James Williams of Miami. He played S in Collage but is projected as a LB. I wonder what Coach Flores could do with this ‘force of destruction’. He is ranked early 100s so in our wheelhouse for #108.

James Williams
LB
Miami (FL)
Height: 6 – 4 |
Weight: 231 lbs |
RAS: 4.59
James Williams is one of the more unorthodox safety prospects in the 2024 NFL Draft, but he brings impressively high upside in the right role.
At 6’5″, 220 pounds, Williams is a force of destruction as a support defender, using his size and explosiveness to levy hard hits. And in coverage, he has enough fluidity and instincts to hold his own. -Ian Cummings

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:55 am

Very Nice.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:59 am

DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:15 am

Two players in the secondary that the Vikings should consider.
Gilmore and Howard.

Vikings Can Polish Defense with One More Signing

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:20 am

I’d bet it will only be one first.
At this point, only the top 51 matter after draft day.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:29 am

The cap is a myth, give them all 12 billion a year.

DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:10 am

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:13 am

I don’t really understand what purpose he serves other than to bring Kevin coffee during game planning meetings.

DE Viking
Reply to  NoDakRube
2 April 2024 11:17 am

LOL.
Maybe. I guess Kev has less coffee for awhile.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:21 am

Since he was arrested for DUI recently maybe he was spiking KOCs coffee and that is why he was suspended.

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:45 am

And time for a public service announcement for the under 50 Skolohoics….
If you drink, don’t drive, don’t be a dumbass.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:47 am

And others who are sharing the road with you may lose as well.

KFEY93
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 12:32 pm

Unless you’re on a rural gravel road in the middle of no where

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:47 am

DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:09 am

DE Viking
2 April 2024 10:00 am

Ben, are you making the trip to Iowa?

One of the top-rated cornerbacks in this year’s draft class is set to get on the field in front of scouts next week.

Cooper DeJean’s final season at Iowa ended with a fractured fibula, but he said at the Scouting Combine that he’d been medically cleared. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that he has informed teams that he’s also been cleared for all football activities and that he will work out for interested clubs at the school on April 8.

DeJean’s workout is expected to include all on-field testing and position drills.

DeJean had 41 tackles, two tackles for loss, two interceptions, and five passes defensed before his injury last season. He also averaged 11.5 yards per punt return and returned one for a touchdown.

freezeyface
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 10:09 am

that’s a very unsettling gif.

DE Viking
Reply to  freezeyface
2 April 2024 10:16 am

Gimmie some street cred….

freezeyface
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 10:23 am

DE Viking
Reply to  freezeyface
2 April 2024 11:22 am

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 10:42 am

DeJean is a stud, he is a S/CB/Punt Returner giving Coach the Position Flexabllity he loves.

From his Wiki page.

DeJean also played basketball, baseball and ran track in high school.[6] In basketball, his 1,832 career points rank him behind Iowa and NFL tight end T.J. Hockenson and 55 ahead of first-team Parade All-American and NBA player Harrison Barnes on the state’s all-time scoring list. His 218 steals ranks him on the state’s all-time list, eight ahead of McDonald’s All-American Marcus Paige.[7] DeJean had the fastest 100-yard dash of any runner in the state during his senior year and, at the time of his high school graduation, held the sixth best long jump in state history (24-02).

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 11:17 am

DeJean is a stud, CB/S/Punt Returner. Lots of Position Flexibility.

He also player multiple sports at a high level in HS, basketball, baseball and ran track in addition to Football.
In fact he is 2nd all time HS Basketball scorer in Iowa history behind TJ Hockenson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_DeJean

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:24 am

One of the things I look for in my Mocks, That, a high RAS score and size/speed.

NoDakRube
2 April 2024 9:35 am

In non-news:
Carson Wentz signs with the Chiefs…

KFEY93
Reply to  NoDakRube
2 April 2024 9:37 am

He’s an okay backup. Thats about it. There’s still losers around here in Bismarck that keep track of his every move and his family life like psychopaths like he’s some big celebrity. I just roll my eyes. Some people need to get a fucking life.

Wrenage
Reply to  KFEY93
2 April 2024 10:18 am

Wentz truly broke in spectacular fashion.

Did Ryan Leaf bite him or something, and Wentz got a weird form of werewolfism that turned him into a terrible QB?

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:39 am

That cycle is interesting isn’t it? Went from such a pass heavy league and defenses got smaller and faster especially at LB level, then we saw the RPO in there and still needed that speed and now we are seeing as defenses are built to stop speed we are seeing more success with needing to run the ball in a traditional sense.

NoDakRube
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 11:41 am

Yep….exactly, a never ending cycle of adjustments….

DE Viking
Reply to  NoDakRube
2 April 2024 12:16 pm

Tis the cycle of life.

Might be back to the 1970’s style football within a decade. @Zimmer was ahead of his time@

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 12:20 pm

Might be back to the 1970’s style football within a decade”

Might be quicker than that if Harbaugh is successful in S.D. it is a copycat league after all.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 12:40 pm

The NFL will pass every rule in the name of safety to stop that from ever happening.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 12:45 pm

I guess the hip drop is 15 yards. So now more delays, replay. It also can be game altering. NFL seems bent on trying to wreck the game.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 3:53 pm

The hip drop that was banned was not a common play when it was legal. I don’t see many of them getting called. There will be more fines than penalties.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 12:49 pm

Might be quicker than that if Harbaugh is successful in S.D. it is a copycat league after all.

Harbaugh is at South Dakota?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 12:51 pm

San Diego.
Try to keep up.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 12:53 pm

What’s LA mean?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
2 April 2024 12:58 pm

Lower Alabama.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:00 pm

Boy, about as low as you can go.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 12:39 pm

Honestly maybe. Could you imagine the bruising runners of those eras getting to play against guys who can tackle them high, can’t tackle them low, can’t hip drop tackle, can’t breath on them wrong… Shit, imagine if AP got to play against guys who weren’t allowed to tackle him?

DE Viking
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 12:48 pm

LOL.
Good point.

The violent 1970’s game will never happen again.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 12:53 pm

It’s just like we saw a lot more passing when the NFL started really limiting what DBs could do to receivers, I think we see more and more running and even more bruisers doing well with how limited you can tackle them. It also helps speed the game up.

JacksonVike
Reply to  NoDakRube
2 April 2024 9:38 am

I would assume this is why they traded Sneed, to make room on the roster for Wentz.

freezeyface
Reply to  NoDakRube
2 April 2024 9:48 am

mahomes on the hotseat!

NoDakRube
2 April 2024 9:26 am

QOTD: Yes.

KFEY93
2 April 2024 9:23 am

QOTD: Yes, because I have to, its their job, its why they were hired and me trusting them or not has no bearing on the situation. Also, we need a QB, this is the draft to make the move to get one, its not about the GM or HC you have at the time, its about the team need, and the type of draft you find yourself in. Go get em.

Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 9:00 am

QOTD, yes I trust they can, doesn’t mean they will. I don’t think it’s an absolute they need to land their QBOTF this year. I mean shit, they could run with Darnold this year, possibly have a better draft position next year and get their QBOTF next year and he can sit a year or two behind Rogers when we have enough cap room to sign him next year lolz. History does have a way of repeating itself. hahaha.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 9:04 am

Rogers when we have enough cap room to sign him next year’

Made me throw up a little bit.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
2 April 2024 9:13 am

Most here, me too, think KOC is a good offensive/QB coach. And as noted above, this is a good landing spot for a QB. Well, in this environment Darnold may have a first rate year. He really didn’t have much going for him in NY and NC, and last year was a backup.
Might surprise.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
2 April 2024 9:18 am

Yes we HOPE he can improve to ‘capable’.

But ‘Hope’ is not a ‘Plan’ for the future.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 9:50 am

‘Hope’ is of course never a plan. But then drafting the right QB for the future, and it working out, requires a fair amount of ‘something.’

manly-purple
2 April 2024 8:41 am

I trust KOC and McCown together. I think that duo could be great for any potential QBOTF.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  manly-purple
2 April 2024 8:44 am

I agree. No clue what they will do or whom they target, I am just thrilled that the QB room is less expensive and less prone to absolute panic.

Less accurate too, though. that part needs work.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 8:54 am

McCown picked his homeboy/roommate Darnold and gave him a $10M payday.
Is he now going to pick Maye because he coached him in H.S.?

Hooking up your friends is not a bad thing unless he is more worried about that they finding the best QBs for the team.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:01 am

Darnold doesn’t negotiate contracts or make personnel decisions.’

Never said he did, McCown has a say in QB hires and got his buddy paid.


KFEY93
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 9:25 am

The QB coach is not telling KAM or the Wilfs who to hire.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 8:57 am

What I have read is McCown wanted Stroud, and was overruled by HC and owner.
It was on the internet, so it must be true.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:06 am

Seemed to be a lot of ‘stories’ of who wanted what – after the fact.
Some concern about Young’s size going in. but most analysts had him best beforehand. Remember, somewhat distance, concern about Stroud’s processing ability from that test they take at combine.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:07 am

Yes, Reich wanted Stroud. McCown said he preferred Stroud. Ownership there is worse than the gang of 8 that used to run the Vikings.

manly-purple
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:10 am

There’s video of McCown before the draft talking Stroud up. Was it a smokescreen? Sounds like it was legit.

manly-purple
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 11:42 am

Let the hopium flow through you!

freezeyface
2 April 2024 8:07 am

i trust KOC to find the right QB WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more than i trust KAM to be able to get said QB or….to give up the right picks to get said QB….

that being said, i’m warming up the Maye.

freezeyface
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 8:49 am

VikingPhilip
2 April 2024 7:29 am

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JRobert
JRobert
2 April 2024 7:15 am

QotD – of course KOC can pick a viable QB
And of course KAM can ‘navigate’ his way up. Now, whether he gets fleeced or not doing so is another matter.

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 8:24 am

Trade with Detroit – Cine. Terrible
Trade with GB – Booth Jr? – Meh.

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:55 am

I know you were.
But if the player acquired with the trade becomes a franchise player, the trade chart is irrelevant.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 12:54 pm

When I criticized the trades at the time I was told I had to wait until we saw what the players developed into before I can say ‘bad things’.

Now that we have an idea what we got the trades look even worse now.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:10 pm

I didn’t think so either but that is what I was told.

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 1:12 pm

You and me both.
Hamilton at 12 was the move.

Wrenage
2 April 2024 6:47 am

QOTD: This draft is hinge-point it seems. Can the Vikings ascend or continue to wallow in mediocrity? Pay no attention to history. It is not on our side. It is really exciting to see what will happen!

DE Viking
Reply to  Wrenage
2 April 2024 7:05 am

At least we are “winning the offseason” in a different way this year.

FloridaSKOL
2 April 2024 6:25 am

Good morning, SKOL!

FTP!

Surly Viking
Admin
2 April 2024 5:43 am

QotD. Yes. Kirko had his best season ever after a long and mostly average career of putting up garbage time stats in easy games and failing vs good defenses. KOC had him playing his best football, and I expect that coaching (and the offensive scheme, and surrounding talent) had something to do with this.

They will either move up and get the guy they feel is the best fit, or stand pat and pick a QB at 11 or 23. Either way, I trust this regime WAY more than Wryck/Zim when it comes to finding the next QB.

For this year, at least at the start, it is Sam Darnold.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Surly Viking
2 April 2024 7:19 am

I certainly think KOC is an excellent offensive/QB coach. And Cousins certainly raised his game with KOC, but also believe most QB’s would see improvement simply going from Zimmer to KOC.

JacksonVike
Reply to  benjammin
2 April 2024 9:37 am

This would be best case scenario, Darnold isn’t a terrible QB, so if the rookie can beat him out, that would mean we have a really good rookie.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
2 April 2024 12:50 pm

Cousins has like two garbage time TD’s in his entire career. You do know that whole garbage time stats thing is a total lie right?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
2 April 2024 12:57 pm

Those 2nd half TDs in the Indy game looked like Garbage Time until they weren’t.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
2 April 2024 1:09 pm

For the record, garbage time is defined as the point in a game when the outcome is no longer in doubt, and either one or both teams have begun to pull their starters. Cousins has led scoring drives in exactly two games when the outcome was no longer in doubt, and there was no chance to win.

DE Viking
2 April 2024 5:33 am

Do you trust KOC to identify a viable QB draft pick and KAM’s ability to navigate up the board to get him?

Since they successfully navigated the end of Kirko’s career in Minny, I trust them.
(And potentially leads to the Falcons losing draft picks for tampering)

Unless they fail on finding a winning QB.
Then I reserve my right to change my mind and complain once again.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 5:40 am

Then I reserve my right to change my mind and complain once again.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  DE Viking
2 April 2024 6:26 am

Then I reserve my right to change my mind and complain once again.

LOL, how very true…

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