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What FA left on the market do you most want, or makes the most sense for the Vikings to sign? Here’s a link to Spotracs FA list, here’s a link to the depth chart, I’d like to see IOL Connor Williams brought in, if not a corner, possibly Xavien Howard.
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Think we have KC and Diggies back this year. Maybe wrong. Fun times.
Stay at #11, see what’s there. I’m wise beyond my years. Keep the picks.
I have tried Mocks doing this more and more.
Sometimes one of the Top 4 fall to #11.
Sometimes I can get Nix/Penix even after a trade back or two.
Sometimes I go full Defense/Trenches and get a lot of good to decent players.
Lots of ways to play this.
Yeah KC, Buffalo, etc should have done that
Wrong Ben, once again.
Was thinking about Panthers (Young), Bears (Fields), Niners (Lance) – seemed they give up picks and got their man.
Don’t forget Turdbisket.
And RGlll – just got tired of listing.
Burrow, Mahomes, Jackson, Manning (s), Allen, – just got tired of listing.
Did you misread original post – Allen/Mahomes were already noted.
Don’t believe draft picks were given away to get burrow, Jackson or either of the Mannings.
Moving up works if you get it right.
Playing it safe works better than getting it wrong.
No one knows how KC, Buffalo would have done if they stayed put.
Might their QB still been there?
Might they have still gotten a decent QB and still be excellent teams?
No way to prove it either way.
Bills have won nothing. Now in cap hell. Mahomies don’t grow on trees.
Mahomes reference – already considered the most talented QB to ever play. We could draft first for the next ten years and not get a ‘Mahomes.”
So you are saying the next Mahomes would be drafted 2nd?
Seeing the couple of red flags, my thinking must have rained on someone’s parade. Only two all day.
But to your question – as they used to say, harder to find than a four leaf clover.
Had to refresh to see Red Flags.
Someone who thinks he ‘Knows It All’ I suspect.
Just count it up as Street Cred.
I don’t flag at all. Must be a few who do.
Some dudes are so euphoric about trying something new, they seemingly can’t cope with different opinions. Just ignore them.
the article you posted, and the idea Norseman1 even suggested, are reasonable and worth consideration – but no no’s here.
You’re suggesting Noseman1 and I are ‘No Ones’?
#grin
If you don’t draft a qb you’ll never get an elite one
tell that to the Patriots.
And the Redskins
Playing it safe is for pussies
Well… there’s a difference between safe and stupid…
Fansided article saying the Vikings should take Penix with 23 and not give up any draft capital, maybe get a Bryon Murphy II type with 11.
Not a terrible plan, of course depends on what you feel about Penix vs the other QBs.
Is JJ worth 3 No 1s vs Murphy + Penix or Nix + keeping next years #1?
Guess it depends on how KOC/KAM/McCown/Phillips have the QBs rated.
https://fansided.com/posts/vikings-can-land-michael-penix-nfl-draft-without-trade?
Not sure Penix is a bad idea, injury history, turning 24. Giving up high picks is hard on me.
They said he looked great at his Pro Day and he has learned his lesson on being a running QB.
At 24 he can still have 10-12 decent years.
Lots of decent plans, no idea what the ‘best one’ would be. Like the idea of more/better draft picks.
Got Nix/Sweat/Frazier (OC) all in the 40s after several trade backs after the top 4 QBs were taken in the top 6 picks in my mock yesterday. Not a bad Plan D.
We have other holes to fill. Roll the dice on a QB and lose we are in deep(er) shit.
After trading back several times I ended up with Nix plus a dozen good to decent players.
Not sure Murphy II would be better than Sweat on our DL.
Plus Frazier is a 4 year Heavy weight state champion wrestler and his scouting reports looks like this,
Zach Frazier
OC
West Virginia
Height: 6 – 2 |
Weight: 313 lbs |
RAS: 7.62
Strengths
– Low-cut offensive lineman with superb mass and an incredibly strong upper half
– Nimble athlete with good blocking range in space and solid lateral mobility
– Former state champion wrestler with an excellent IQ and understanding of leverage
– Has great hinge fluidity, swiveling around to pick off LBs and execute reach blocks
– Able to torque through and finish defenders who sacrifice leverage trying to pry free
– Can quickly process stunts, realign base, and re-exert hands past initial extensions
Weaknesses
– Doesn’t quite have elite explosiveness or range in space
– Has below average length, which causes occasional lurches to over-compensate
– Sometimes widens base too far, inhibiting his ability to recollect lateral positioning
– Occasionally overshoots blocking angles working ahead of screens
Need interior help, both sides. Trading up may just get your QOTF killed.
Agreed.
Your QB Crush vs a good QB and a better team.
Yup.
I’m 100% in favor of this plan.
I’d be ok not trading up and grabbing Penix or Nix, along with another first round stud defensive player.
I think that would be fine. If they really like someone, then trade up. However, if they have Penix or Nix rated close, just do that.
Assuming Williams is gone, is Penix that much of a drop off from the others being talked about as top three. If not, this is a solid way to go.
I think the biggest concerns on Penix are his health, in particular his knees. 2 torn ACL’s before age 25 – I fear a long term knee issue, like what shortened Sam Bradford’s career.
Hey, it’s not like the knees of QBs have ever bit the Vikes in the ass before!
If they can’t reasonably trade up and the 4 others are gone, yeah, you could do that
i will LOL hard if we go with Penis Jr.
My philosophy in general is no penis for me
Does your wife share that philosophy?
If we go with Penix, we are basically saying we are taking a flier that either Penix or Darnold will work out. Remember Darnold was the 3rd overall pick who was put in shitty situations.
I would rather give up capital and go get one of the top 4. Even with signing Jefferson we are going to have lots of cap space next year to plug holes through free agency.
‘we are basically saying we are taking a flier that either Penix or Darnold will work out’
Isn’t that true of anyone we draft?
JJ and Darnold, Mayes and Darnold, Daniels…. Nix?
Yes, Kind of…but if you draft Penix you are saying there is more of a chance that Darnold will have to work out.
Curious – why?
Guessing because the ‘Experts’ have the others ranked higher.
The only ranking that really counts though it the Viking’s and we have no clue what their is. It is ‘Smoke and Mirrors’ season after all.
I’m done for the day.
Bills paid, Goose walked, Jehovah’s Witnesses turned away, shelves built, fence repaired, Chili in the croc, bread cooling on the rack and every piece of laundry not on our backs washed, folded and put away.
Now I have nothing to do.
So I’m going to watch ‘Band of Brothers’ for like the 10th time.
Happy Hump Day Y’all!
Skol
That’s a really good series to watch – every time.
Yes it is. The older I get the more and more I appreciate the generations before me and the lives they lived, sacrifices they made in an effort to protect the greater good. Show gives me chills every time I watch it.
As I recall there was a book written. by Tom Brokow called “the Greatest Generation.” Good read about all these folks.
We started 3 Body Problem I think it’s called on NF – so far I have enjoyed and my wife has snoozed.
This one used to be kind of fun for me since I can be an ass. I ask them to open their bible to the book of Jude. It succinctly instructs people to separate from false teachers, then I read off the last two times the leadership of that cult has predicted the end of the world, incorrectly. I then look at the child/children present, and ask “why are you listening to false teachers”?
They leave rather quickly
I wish someone would suspend me from my job for three weeks. Of course I would still like to be paid.
Some current news event?
Our OC suspended for 3 weeks without pay for his DUI.
Ah
One word post? Someone hijacked MT’s account.
I just want 3 weeks off.
Grandson had his last chemotherapy last week. He went home after that but was right back in the hospital with an infection so everything is on hold.
Glad to hear Zeph is done with Chemo.
That’s a big deal.
Hope the infection clears up soon VP!
Me too. That all needs to be cleared up so he can move along to the bone marrow transplant.
Hope just a minor set back and then on to a full recovery. All the best to you, him and all the rest of family.
You need a government job to get that kind of a deal…when the shutdowns happen the govt can’t go to work. Than when its over they get back pay….sweet deal.
Some folks think the Vikings are going to trade with the Chargers to get to #5 and take McCarthy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade up to #5, not sure who they would draft though.
Seems like 5 would get them one of the top 4 QBs but maybe not the one that they are targeting.
Maybe that would be content with any of them. 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d like.
Will #5 be enough?
Lots of crazy thoughts/plans out there.
Just hope we get a capable QB and that we don’t pay a premium for said QB.
My personal take on drafted players is, there’s no such thing as a sure thing. Folks here say “any of the top four QB’s will work for me”. Well, maybe none of those top four will ever become top shelf NFL players. Maybe 1, or maybe 2… but which of them will? When you mortgage your franchise on one guy, you are never going to really know how it will play out.
Think your take is generally true. But this kid Williams could be something really special – cut above.
“Could”
Exactly what they said about RGIII.
they are all “coulds” – but some have a better chance than others.
Yes,
being in SoCal and hearing of all the CryBaby’s antics I believe that there is ‘a better chance’ of him being the Drama Queen that wrecks a team.
Hmmm… What makes some a better “chance” than others pray tell?
I guess I just listen to all the national analysts too much – which as you know is dangerous.
Nonetheless, he is the only QB mentioned that folks call a generational talent or a ‘second’ Mahomes.
Never saw Mahomes crying on his moms lap in the stands after a loss.
I certainly not going to fall on my sword for this guy and all his dramas. And I am skeptical of man y of the analysts takes. But I also don’t think this many could be so wrong – could be though.
I don’t doubt his ‘game’ as much as I do his attitude and mental toughness.
Personal option/bias?
He could be a really good NFL QB.
And he really could be a Drama Queen that wrecks a team.
He sure could be a drame Queen, and I’m not crazy about his Father and all that BS. But if someone gave me a free pick of any of these QB’s, I’d take him.
Then we can agree to disagree.
He is the last one I would pick.
All good. Believe we are all going to find out as we will get to play against him twice a year.
Yup
I honestly don’t know the answer to this. What teams in recent history have mortgaged their franchise for a draft pick and then won the Owl with that player being a key part of that situation? Specifically draft picks, an unknown commodity not like for Stafford.
Kansas City
That’s what I thought too but what did they give up to get Mahomes… if it’s 2 firsts, I don’t consider that mortgaging the franchise. To me you’d have to be giving more than that.
I think it was two firsts and a third.
sort of cheaper than it looks. A first and a third, but 27th first and like a 91 third. First the following year, not sure of number but since chiefs were in playoffs probably not that high.
Yeah, that’s not mortgaging the future. If the Vikings did that same sort of trade to get their top QB, I’d be 10000% for it.
Like I said a few days ago, if you trade this years first and next years first, you really aren’t setting your team back much. It will take at least two years to truly evaluate whomever you draft.
Well especially in the Vikings case. It’s not like they are without any talent to have around that QB.
The Chiefs had to trade up 17 spots and it cost 2 late firsts and a late third. Buffalo’s trade up for Allen was 12th overall and two seconds for #7.
Yeah, that doesn’t seem crazy to me. I mean they are towing the line but that’s not mortgaging the future and seemed to work out for them lol.
I still keep thinking that something other than 3 QBs will happen in the top 3 in which case the Vikings won’t have to move up beyond 5, if at all, depending on which guy they want. Every year way more QBs are projected to go in the 1st than actually happens. Levis was projected top 5 and maybe top 5 by some last year. Hell, I remember a couple of years ago when Mettenberger was projected repeatedly in the first. I feel like JJ is going to be like Mac Jones as far as draft predictions go. Way hyped and expected that somebody would trade up for him, but when reality hits, teams will go a different direction. I could easily see the Pats going non-QB. Arizona won’t. The Chargers won’t. Washington could go either way. Maybe the Chargers will trade up with NE to get Harrison.
NE has Zappe and Brissett as QBs.
Sounds a lot like Darnold and Mullins/Hall.
What Bow said.
I think its more likely a non QB ends up going top 3 than it is all 3 end up being QBs. I think 4-7 could all have interest in trading up for one of the WRs.
I thought this too, until all three of them traded their QB1. New England could be thinking Zappe is the answer, but I doubt it.
Why wouldn’t these teams think Penix/Nix are a better option later while getting one of the very top talents in the draft? If your option is Daniels and a 2nd or 3rd WR or Harrison and Penix, which would you do?
Comes back to how you rate/value those players.
Do you think Daniels is that much better than Penix?
Do you think Harrison is that much better than the #2 or #3 WR?
Harbaugh is smart and loyal. First he talked up his boy from Michigan and his stock went way up. Then as HC of Chargers just happens to have the number five pick and is looking for trade partners – win/win.
Well Harbaugh has a very good QB in Herbert, so I wouldn’t think bringing McCarthy in there makes sense. I think he’ll invest in the trenches personally.
Of course. But he talked up McCarthy and his stock went way up. and that sure did’t hurt him holding the number five pick.
For sure on that.
Both can be true.
That he really believes his boy JJ is the best QB in the draft and that saying so will also improve his options come draft day.
Don’t doubt that. But the first was very fortuitous for the second.
Don’t blame him for pushing the narrative if it helps out his team.
Especially if he believe it to be true.
Don’t blame him at all either. Didn’t express it very well if it came out that way.
Not you specifically. Lots of Media types are trying to spin it that he is making stuff up about JJ to improve San Diego’s options on draft day.
One less headache for Buffalo.
Was Diggs getting disgruntled again? Or did the Bills decide that he’s getting old, let’s get something for him while we can, and also dump his salary?
It seemed he was getting the ‘Thielen Treatment’. He was being targeted less and less.
Adam proved he still was relevant at Carolina with 100+ catches and 1000+ yards but he wasn’t being utilized much his last year in Minn.
Diggs was getting less and less targets and in their last playoff game he was less than an afterthought.
Not sure what the cause was. Maybe multiple things?
Think he was targeted less as Buffalo actually took the ball out of Allen’s hands and went heavy on the run game later part of season. When the passing game was rolling, there were too man y turnovers.
I doubt that Diggs cared about the ‘why’ he was getting less targets he only cared about the number.
Pretty much the same reason he wanted out of Minn when Zims offense wasn’t getting him the targets he ‘deserved’.
Probably all of the above, he’s always disgruntled, is getting old, I’m not sure how much cap they save
Well, the Bills are apparently taking a $31 million dead cap in 2024 on Diggs.
So I would go with the drama angle.
Lol…. Houston used the 2nd rounder acquired from Minnesota to get Diggs.
Seems appropriate somehow.
he has a better chance at a SuperBowl in Houston, imo.
Thought Allen was the super QB that was taking Buffalo to the Bowl???
seems like Allen/Buffalo have a big problem as long as Mahomes/Chiefs are around.
KC does seem to be Buffalo’s Kryptonite.
Vikings beat them though… so there’s that.
‘On any given Sunday’.
On 3 of the dumbest luckiest plays in recent NFL history. Dont get it twisted. Not all wins are equal. Get real.
They had a few chances.
KC is better. Now that they have salary cap issues, the reset will need to happen.
His best chance would seem to be by getting traded to Kansas City.
His best chance is to start dating somebody more popular than Taylor Swift. Maybe JJ can steal T-Swift from Kelce for the 2024 season.
Rent-a-Swift?
Lizzo?
Not sure what that is.
But from what little I do know I know that I don’t want to know more.
This website is making run out of Brain Bleach again.
That is one disgusting creature.
She needs a soda machine.
You mean black chris christie?
Zero chance in Houston, but there is a minimal chance anyone is beating KC these days.
Keeps posting cryptic nonsense. Dude wrong side of 30. Hope he and KC fail. There, i said it.
diggs to the texans
Which one?
The ex Viking drama queen?
I used to like him quite a bit.
yep stefon, for a 2025 2nd rounder
Happy Hump Day!
If she gets paid by the hump the Skoloholics owe her a lot of $$.
Well Brad’s business seems to go quite well, and I’m sure we’d all donate some $$ (or €€) for the cause… except freezey 😉
Seems like we have a guy or two here that would offer her some extra cash for a ‘side job’ or six.
I guess side, top, bottom, all those positions could work.
Ooops, JRobert I got a little juvenile there…my bad.
No worry. I’m a half pervert couple a days a week – but never on Sundays.
Interesting read on pressure to sack rate, looks like Nix, Penis, JJ elite, Williams and Maye ok and Daniels is an abject disaster, worse than Fields. The one true outlier from the last few years to find success in the NFL despite below average P2S rate is Joe Burrow, but he’s also missed significant time due to injuries as a result of hits and sacks.
https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/news/pressure-to-sack-rate-what-is-it-and-how-can-it-be-applied
So Daniels it is huh? lol, let’s get him!
I find it fascinating the reports around the top 6 QBs.
Each one has their supporters and critics among the ‘experts’.
No telling what the Vikings think about each one.
Will they give up 3 1st round picks for one they feel most strongly about?
Will they stay in place and grab whomever falls to them?
Or maybe something in between like a short trade up?
Yesterday I even read a report that Rattler belongs up with the top 6.
Yeah, I liked Daniels but after reading this I don’t want the Vikings to draft him, in the NFL you can be a good QB with average or slightly below sack avoidance, but if you’re horrible college the chances are like 5% you’ll be a good NFL QB, with Burrow being the only true outlier since 2014.
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same old stuff, kids don’t want to get up in the morning, mom and dad late for work
yep i feel that.
have you figured out exactly what the vikings plan is and will do on draft day??
They will trade up for a QB
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