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VIKINGS NEWS
According to Krammer of the Strib, Cine and Booth are in danger of being cut...
“The phrase that I’ve heard behind the scenes is the light bulb not going on with [Cine and Booth] specifically,” said Kramer. “So how do you interpret that when you’re not sitting in the room next to them as they’re studying these things? … So yeah, the light bulb is just not going on, and it didn’t go on last year.”
Injury excuses will surely be made for both, but the bottom line is they both suck and need to show something this offseason.
NFL NEWS
Hot button topic is kickers apparently…
Washington Kicker McManus is accused of “sexual assault” last season with the Jaguars, he is alleged to have tried to kiss and “grinded on” flight attendants.
Harrison Butker responds to the shocking level of hate towards him after his recent commencement speech
Question of the Day
Cine or Booth, who is more likely cut?
Media Selection
A 60’s UK band that didn’t actually suck…
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Another day closer to some football. Lots of pundits pushing false narratives about all sorts of things. Keep your wits about you, and try to stay sane. SKOL, and FTP!
Oh and good morning…
Puppies hold on to force a game 5.
105-100
Yup, nice to see KAT finally show up this series.
Twinkies win, 2nd in a row.
4-2 good guys.
Never believed the report had any merit. Makes no sense to trade what many (including me) believe to be the best WR in football for an unknown, with the QB room still treading unknown waters.
Clickbait bullllllllllshit…..
If they had traded Jets for the number 5 on draft day wouldn’t they have gotten JJ at that point. Then Turner at #11 and then looked for a receiver at #23?
A lot less stress and drama that way. There might have been some moving around but we would have had all that draft capital that they used trading up to #10 and #17.
Way to simplistic to be realistic IMHO.
My nephew has just challenged me to a game of Madden – says he’s been practicing his defense and thinks he can beat me (he never has, not legitimately – he was up on me once 21-0 when I noticed that his offensive lineman were really fast – the little shit went into the roster and changed the attributes to all his players to 99)
I haven’t played in a while and we won’t play until Saturday so I have time to go into practice mode and get in some stick work.
Last time we played I had great fun in calling out his coverages mid-play, then exploiting their weaknesses. He’s starting to get the differences in Cover 3 vs Cover 2, man vs zone and how to recognize blitzes and find the hot read – he’s getting better, but still plays for the home run ball too often, usually leading to a turnover.
I must admit that I get a kick out of when he does score…. He runs around the house yelling and fist-pumping, not caring that he’s losing by 30+ points. It’s all joy…. and its contagious.
Skol!
Game 4 in two hours.
It’s almost over.
No point in delaying the obvious.
Stopped watching halftime game 2. May watch tonight. RIP Puppies. Maybe KAT can shoot 15%.
Nope, not yet
Hey Robert De Niro. Kiss my ass.
I’m sorry (not really) but listening to an actor who spends half his time pretending to be someone else, and the other half in a shrink’s office trying to unscrew his head, isn’t wise, in my opinion. The fact that he’s out there in front of a courthouse where a sham trial is going on, promoting Biden to the masses, is galling. He needs to drink a gallon or two of STFU.
Wow…you wonder if he is sincere..but he is saying all of the right things…
Russell Brand shares insights one month into being a Christian: ‘Sense of peace’ | Fox News
Given where he was (Hollywood) I suspect it is a relief to find something real and authentic.
This from something called Will Ragatz from SI
LOL. I also read he’s taxing his arm to much. Oh brother. 0-16-1 i guess.
So he’s a rookie?
You can say that of every rookie QB. The NFL is a universe away from college ball. I spent some time watching McCarthy. Obviously Michigan was built around a running game, and a pretty basic route tree, but I saw plays where McCarthy correctly deciphered the defense, and delivered the ball to the right place on the field at the right time. These instances were occasions where a defense dropped a linebacker into the secondary to take away a specific throw, and McCarthy immediately went to the next guy, seamlessly. Same with safeties that started with showing they were going to shade to a certain side of the field pre-snap, but then went the other way, and latched onto a route immediately after the snap. McCarthy saw it, and threw a great ball behind the safety. It was a pro throw.
JJ does have a long way to go, but he showed some things NFL QB’s need to be able to do, to be good at this level.
all of 3 practices.
Clickbait.
Booooooom!
⚒️🔨⚒️🔨
Boom? Boom.
About to enjoy a 4:20 gummy a bit early!
I am then going to watch the new SouthPark. They poke fun at Lizzo and the weight loss drugs. I expect some funny things.
420 is looking like a definite possibility, Mordor.
I was just going to say, we are approaching nirvana for Mjolnir.
Took me awhile to learn that is a cannabis consumption term.
I love the directness and the succinctness of this comment.
https://x.com/VikeFans/status/1794907764709589108
Yep.
Video Shows Joe Biden ‘Sleeping’ During Memorial Day Speech | Watch (msn.com)
Nah, he wasn’t sleeping…he was obviously just closing his eyes to listen more intently.
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our CINC leading by example…
You mention CINC. Was listening to some of the service Secretaries testimonies before Congress. That is scary!
Better learn to speak Chinese.
For those who defile Trump endlessly, he always instilled fear in our enemies.
Heard the Secret Service is talking to the prison system to prepare for Trump getting locked up.
They are, and that’s as far as I can go on it.
I’m guessing it’s mostly what if, cover all the bases preparation because if they actually lock him up it could get ugly.
I doubt it gets that ugly.
The SS is part of homeland security.
HS will order SS to stand down and SS will comply.
Now it will get ugly from Republicans for sure.
Don’t you hate how things you could do physically at 18 and shrug off the next day now stick with you for a day or more? I finished getting my irrigation system installed and planted my 350 trees. That involved crawling on my hands and knees back and forth multiple times over the 3 x 700 foot belts, taking a break to pound posts and stretch the bottom wire of the repositioned fence, and (thank goodness my wife convinced me to buy it) use a kinda ice auger looking tool to drill holes for all the trees, then crawl along fitting the roots into the hole, tossing in a handful of potting soil, and compacting the loose soil around them.
The miracle of the whole thing was that the irrigation system from well through pump manifold and drip lines worked the first time I switched it on.
Often comment to my wife that Montana does not look any better than on June 15th (also our anniversary). By the looks of your pics we are getting close to the 15th.
Yep. I love driving through the hills this time of year. It feels like Ireland. I do like the smell of sagebrush in August though.
Oh, the deck got done…
That’s quite the compound, when do the Branch Davidians move in?
Squatters will love it!
That’s my nightmare.
Tent city!
Lots of room for undocumented newcomers.
Love “newcomers”. How about illegals on a terrorist watch list walking on the streets.
Simply dreamers looking for a better life. You should open your doors and give them a room. I heard you can even make them do “chores” and not pay them in certain parts led primarily port leaning politics.
Idiots voting idiots in office think they won’t run out of other peoples money. Country better figure shit out fast. What sniffer is doing pre-election should be criminal.
@sounds like fun@
You are a talented individual MT.
I’m about ready to pay someone to mow my lawn.
Beautiful view, MT. Well done!
I am sore from cleaning out one storage room.
I cannot imagine doing that much physical labor and surviving.
Yes, like Golf 36 holes…Now if I golf 18 I am kind of tired and achy the next day.
Drake Maye signs his deal.
I would assume now, that some of the dominos begin to fall for the other QB’s.
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1795503912654422044
Is this good? I mean like high or low.
It’s not so much the amount for rookie contracts as they are mostly pre-determined. It’s the amount of guarantees and offset language.
So the other QB’s will be looking at the those two items I believe as well as how the signing bonus’ are structured.
Point is, once one signs, the others can look at it and try to get a little better in minor ways.
Thanks – pay stuff is mostly over my head.
Here is an agent’s take on what is “negotiable”.
JJ and Turner still unsigned, correct?
Correct.
Are not the draft positions pretty much slotted salary wise?
There is some room to maneuver but it is not like FA negotiations.
They are slotted by position and I think guarantees are negotiable.
I think it is guaranteed and the only sticking point I have heard of over the last few years has been offset language (Bosa).
Yeah. I forgot about offset language, but doesn’t that include the guaranteed portion?
I think everything but the 5th year option is guaranteed at signing and the offset language simply means the team gets cap space and possibly a cash savings in the event they cut the player and that player re-signs with a different team.
That was my understanding.
But I am old so I forget a lot of things.
It has to do with “future earnings” from another team. While the signed guaranteed is guaranteed, it is still an amount of money that a player want’s to earn on their next team.
The offset language means that the player doesn’t get to double dip if they are cut. If the player is cut and their contract is guaranteed (like rookie contracts are), then they get the remaining money whether they get another job or not. Let’s say the player is owed 10 million dollars in the 4th year but is cut after the 3rd. With a full offset, if the player signs for 5 million with a new team then the former team only owes him 5 million. With no offset language, then the primary team owes 10 million no matter what and the 5 million from the new team is in addition.
Correct.
IMO, that has something to do with guaranteed dollars. Rookies want to be able to guarantee future dollars if they can.
I though their contracts were fully guaranteed at signing and the only difference was when the money was paid? Signing bonus you get the cash now. Salary you get in the future, but on a rookie contract it’s still guaranteed. I’d want as much up front as possible so it could be invested and make interest whereas any future cash is making zero interest.
It’s still guaranteed, it’s about whether or not if the player is cut, will the player be able to get the guarantee PLUS the contract from another team. That’s the offset language that you are correct on.
I’m just saying that future dollars are important to the rookie and is tied to the guaranteed amount. The rookie either gets $4 million guaranteed from the two teams, or the rookie gets $4 million from the team that drafted him PLUS whatever else a new team wants to pay him, if he is cut. The offset is tied to the guaranteed amount.
It’s really not that much of an issue, but it is if the rookie sucks and is cut in year 3.
Also the timing of the payment.
You are correct.
I’m trying to decide if its impressive or sad that even though Kirk is gone people still dedicate themselves to have the same debates that have been beaten to death since 2017…
Some habits are hard to break I guess.
But they are all consenting adults so Se La Vie.
I mean I have no problem with it, I mostly just ignore it now, especially since Kirk isn’t even on the team anymore, he’s kinda dead to me.
I mostly ignore the KC talk.
When is escalates to personal attacks it kinds of bugs me.
But since I am ignoring the discussion I often miss those.
Mind boggling contract with easiest strength of schedule in league. Not going to beat him up but not wishing luck either. Yes, dead to me also.
S A M E S I E S
Need camp and preseason so we can beat up on other 4.
I do apologize for dumping coal dust into a room filled with kerosene lamps…I did not imagine it would take off like it did. It is indeed my fault …I have limited interest in discussing Kirk, but the flame is fascinating to watch.
What do you want to do to the world?
Just grab your pop corn and watch the show good sir!
Sure Cine is unseen in September. Booth might get another shot.
I’m a bit more a baseball guy than football but do see similarities.
As such see similarities between pitchers and QB’s. A lot of stats, W/L’s etc.
Reading below about SB appearances for QB’s, made me wonder.
Nolan Ryan was I think one hell of a pitcher. Save for his rookie season with the Mets, which was carried by Seaver and Koosman, he never went to a World Series again and even his playoff record was just .500.
But he was in my mind a great pitcher.
Durability alone made him great. No hitters, 7? I believe he threw in excess of 160 pitches in a game. Correct me if wrong.
And he put Robin Ventura in an epic headlock….
That was a good one, forgot.
20 years older than Ventura at the time and just owned him.
Pitchers also don’t play in every game or the entire game (usually).
that is of course true – don’t pitch everyday.
But like QB’s they are graded on a host of stats and also W/L’s, and playoffs and World Series.
Sometimes I read here all about the stats, sometimes it’s W/L’s and playoff records.
Over generalizations don’t always work.
In the short term no, but over span of time such as a career, those things tend to iron themselves out and trends develop.
Sometimes yes and sometimes no.
And there are so many exceptions think generalizing too far can lead to some faulty conclusions.
But when a single exception cannot be identified, then that trend means something and can’t simply be dismissed because it doesn’t fit a narrative.
Well, off my head – there’s Ferguson Jenkins (great Cub pitcher) never won a playoff game.
After his rookie season, Dan Morino never got back to SB. And there’s another great pitcher named Mike Mussina (believe not sure in HOF) but folks said he had bad luck as Yankees didn’t seem to score as much when he pitchjed (affected his W/l).
And then the other way – Jimmy G wins playoffs and gets to SB, but I don’t think he’s an elite QB.
Believe as a general rule, in most endeavors, when humans are involved it’s not like odds on a dice throw.
Dan Marino played in 18 playoff games. Yes, there are QBs who have had a playoff run that weren’t great and were carried by a team and that does not make them great. However, there are none of the best in the history of the league who didn’t repeatedly and consistently make the playoffs. I’m not going into baseball. Not a huge baseball guy and that’s a whole different animal.
Do you believe in the similarities between QB’s and pitchers regarding W/L’s ?
And I don’t believe they are different animals at all.
Now, if we must just football, talking about the ‘best in history’ hardly gives us a representative sample.
The only QB’s who ever went to the playoffs and Super Bowls did so on great teams. No QB has ever carried a bad team to wins and Championships ever.
No good QB in the history of the league has ever failed to make the playoffs numerous times. Good team or bad team. Good QBs have proven through 70 years to be able to get the job done no matter what. Until you can provide an actual example other than a vague statement you are wrong. If you can prove me wrong, I’m all for it, but I doubt you can even provide one example.
Why don’t we try this the other way around. You said ‘good QB’ right (not great). What good QB carried his team to playoffs with a poor defense and poor offensive line play?
Off the top of my head, I’d say Rodgers took a couple pretty mediocre teams to the playoffs. And once again changing the subject doesn’t answer the question. It merely proves my point.
You asked NLV a question, I merely asked you the question you posed in reverse.
Rogers is not an “average QB”. Many people consider him one of the most talented of all time.
You stated ‘ no good QB in the history of the league has fsiled to make the playoffs numerous times.
I simply asked who?
And you did say good or bad team.
And I answered it without doing a bunch of research I don’t have time for. The fact remains that my point still stands and has not been refuted.
That is simply incorrect.
Rogers is not AVERAGE – he’s one of the best of all time.
So again to your very question, what ‘average QB’ takes their team to the playoffs regularly with a bad team?
We’re not talking about average QBs. Average QBs don’t go to the playoffs very often unless they are on good teams and will even miss the playoffs when they join a team that is good enough to go to the NFCCG with a journeyman QB because they are nothing more than average and that is the point. If you want to put somebody in the good to great category then you have to explain to me how they are the only great one in the history of the league to have such “bad luck”.
Simple. Different OCs (even though 3 of them ran very similar schemes that were evolved form the previous ones so it really isnt 3 different schemes)
Changing OCs is commonplace in the NFL, especially if you’re a good team and is overcome by the good ones.
I doubt changing OC’s every year is “commonplace” in the NFL. But I also doubt QB’s are usually successful when a different OC comes in every year. The ability to play well, regardless of scheme, play calling, etc, is a mark of someone who is really good though, in my opinion.
You started this with question to NLV – with “no good QB in the history.”
I did NOT use average, I said “good” as you did.
Question again as YOU PUT what GOOD?
You just said average QBs? Maybe the confusion here is the interpretation of the word good? I simply used that in place of writing great again. The fact remains that the good/great ones made the playoffs consistently and repeatedly and I answered your question about a QB taking a less than stellar team to the playoffs. Rodgers did it multiple times. Contrary to popular belief, the Patriots were not a stacked team every year for 20 years. They had the best QB of all time on the team. It may have been a one year wonder, but the Texans went to the playoffs last year because of their QB. That team was nothing special. Shoot they drafted #2 overall last year which should tell you how stacked they were. There are plenty of examples of QBs elevating the team but nobody has yet to show me the great one that was brought down throughout their entire career by the players around them. While it is a team game, the great ones are great because they get it done.
It is indeed “average” versus “good” . Rogers is neither so him taking a poorer team to playoffs is besides the point.
The Patriots lacked true WR talent but had good olines and good to very good defenses – not to mention their coaching. And their QB is maybe the greatest ever.
We’ll see about the Texans – they did get there.
And again, there is no dispute about what GEAT QB’s can get done. Now, what the good to very good ones can accomplish with poor teams around them is debateable.
But there is a debate about the greats because I have been told repeatedly that a great QB still can’t win, even though the greats always did find a way to win repeatedly over their careers.
Not so much by me. Greats do great things at times. Although Mahomes disappointed me in the TB SB playing with a porous line. Nine points isn’t going to beat man teams.
Honestly, I think Matt Stafford will qualify nicely here. Stafford went 0-3 in the playoffs, in his dozen seasons in Detroit. After getting there in his third season in 2011, the Lions settled for two more wild-card appearances in ’14 and ’16. Stafford owns tons of Lions franchise passing records, and indeed I think he has a couple NFL records. He won a Super Bowl with a “good team”. But he couldn’t get anywhere with a “bad team”.
Starting pitchers probably touch in 10-15% of plays overall, whereas a QB touches the ball right about 50% of the game, that’s a pretty big difference
Since I started this with Nolan Ryan believe he touched the ball more than 10-15% of the time. In his days, a lot of complete games or certainly late innings.
In football, with both teams having the ball about 50% of time, given the kicking game, half the time for a QB seems high.
Question for you animal whisperer types.
A lone pronghorn has been stalking my dogs and I on our walks the last 4-5 days. When he (has little spike horns) spots us (it is like he is watching for us and knows our schedule) he runs down from the ridge or up from the creek bottom and stands about 60 yards away, makes a chuffing noise every ten seconds or so, and follows along as we walk. The older choco pays him no mind, the younger one will move out between the pronghorn and I creating a buffer zone about ten yards out.
Pronghorn seems to have literally no fear of us. Not sure if he is looking for a mate or companionship or just curious. Any ideas?
Of course, when season opens antelope won’t let a squirrel get within 200 yards without jetting off.
Is there a black patch on the side of its face?
Doe probably has a fawn nearby?
That’s where I was going. The timing is right. I wanted to tell him that she’s mad at him for misgendering her though before mentioning the hidden fawn.
That’s a possibility…(s)he just attracts our attention cuz the pronghorn is approaching us from a half mile away…it’s not like there is a fawn in the alfalfa field or road ditches. Also, I was putting along in the hills spraying for spurge in my side by side all through the areas the pronghorn would be bedded down and no sign of it.
I’m guessing fawn. I would think they would have moved on or they will at least. They rut at the end of August and aren’t really that territorial outside of that time frame. I’ve seen em run coyotes pretty hard when they have a fawn hidden.
Interesting behavior for sure…
Just curious, what makes you think he wants to have sex with you??
He is used to that from all the nurses hinting at him and his paycheck.
That must be a difficult problem to have.
Trust me, my wife is not the jealous type but getting back pink or purple heart emojis from a nurse when you answer them on Voalte does not engender positive discussions with my beloved. Not the simple red heart emoji that is part of the reply options but the fancier ones.
You are the best doctor! https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f495.svg
This should put you firmly in control of your relationship. I would definitely use the flirting nurses to your advantage (to get your way).
Don’t apologize for the emojis, capitalize on them!
Absolutely. No possible way for that to not go well.
Best advice of the day!
Hot Nuts Cajun Peanuts from Hampton Farms are pretty good. Available in TSC Stores.
Be good with beer, I bet.
Outside of the beer part, I have no idea what anything you said means.
So
Hot Nuts Cajun Peanuts are spiced nuts and peanuts produced by a food company called Hampton Farms.
TSC is the name of a store located across the Midwest, stands for Tractor Supply Company.
I am happy to be of service.
Hot nuts are peanuts, ok. I was wondering where this conversation was going and what kind of farm he was talking about.
So you buy peanuts from a tractor supply store?
Yes…TSC stores are actually quite awesome.
I love our local TSC!
Guy who took my 12′ boat yesterday had to run to TSC 20 miles away to buy trailer wheels.
The boat had been sitting in storage for about 20 years, the tires had dry rotted and the Tire Store was closed due to the holidays.
He ended up paying $40 each for them, I would have waited a day for tire replacement but he wanted to get it done and the boat home.
Farm stores have vast amounts of candy, nuts and the like, yes.
Not all heroes wear capes.
I think most things are good with beer.
I got into some rye whiskey yesterday….yikes, time for a liver holiday.
THC gummies to the rescue!
could very well be less harmful in the long run…I am just hesitant to add another vice into my life…
I am a fan, and I am sure my liver is happier that I only drink booze 1 or 2 times per week, and stop at 2 drinks.
This is the correct answer.
I had two different craft beers in NYC over the weekend.
Both were very good.
I am not calling out anyone – so please do not take offense…sometimes I am indeed the Donkey. Nonetheless, I find this parable to be accurate in describing some of the disagreements we have on this site.
I don’t get it
Is the grass blue or green?
Ooofda!
Depends on the rods and cones in your eye.
For some people it is both.
I had never considered that the Donkey may have been color blind.
So it’s a parable with a double meaning. Don’t judge somebody based on a ridiculous idea because they may be fighting something you are unaware of (or they could just be a donkey).
Once again, I have become more informed because of my time on Skoloholics…
It really does make one a better person!
Green….. the grass is always green.
There! We have heard it from the expert!
https://x.com/Rothmus/status/1794954431907115072
😂😂😂
What about Jamaican Red?
I smoked that when I was into weed.
And it was more red in color than green.
Acceptable.
An old boss used to tell me – “don’t get in a pissing contest with a skunk.”
NoDak calling me out again.
Cool parable though.
Reminds me of my kid brother and his friend when they were like 6.
They were arguing about everything in the car. My mom was beside herself.
Somebody said you would argue over whether the sky was blue or not.
One of them said, the sky is white not blue and the arguing ensured.
I’ve been told not to argue with an idiot in public, a passerby may mistake you for the idiot.
And, it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it.
But what if theres no Tigers and everyone’s the Donkey? Then I think thats what we have here. Or at least a few Donkeys wearing Tiger masks.
Are you saying that Skolholes is nothing but a big donkey show?
In the nicest way possible.
Its a red letter day at Skoloholics!
Cousins discussion…Abortion Discussion….limited political discussion…we are 3 for 3!
When do you guys think we will see the Jefferson contract finalized?
I think Jefferson contract is done by early August
I’m starting to think it doesn’t get done this year.
First week of August.
Probably just before camp, starting to question if he’s worth the big contract in W /L column. Probably worth it to the Wilfs to keep butts in the seats.
Before season starts and traded before the 2026 draft.
Or he restructures and takes a pay cut in 2026 so they can beef up the team and chase their second SB.
Just talk of his contract makes me nervous. Addison good thru 2025, what if he goes off next 2 years, can’t afford him.
Just going to depend on the structure of the contract. Is Jets more worried about actual money or is he like most NFL players and is more concerned with a headline saying he has the highest annual average even though he isn’t ever going to see most of that money? I have a feeling he wants to win enough that he’ll take a deal that is structured to give the team some leniency (I’m guessing a lot of roster bonus) and gets him a meaningless headline.
I think he wants the most money.
He has said it publically. I appreciate that.
The whole BS about it not being about the money is just stupid to me. Cousins, AJ Brown and now Dak just saying silly things to make it sound good. It’s pure BS.
My best guess now is that the Vikings franchise tag him in 2025 and he gets traded.
Yeah, but I think it is as much about the headline value of that money as it is about the Benjamins that actually end up in his bank account. He has also spoken a lot about winning and has been a pretty quiet soldier up to this point unlike others at his position.
I just don’t know what he is waiting for.
My assumption is he wants it to drag out so that he will continue to have higher contracts signed so he can up the ante on his. Which is fine. He has been honest about it.
At some point though, the cost will be too much for me.
I read some speculation that it might have something to do with some league timing thing in which case it wouldn’t get signed until at least the end of July.
Well here’s a thought – not mine got it from a show few weeks back. And if you hate Cousins, might need to put that aside a minute.
Here goes – JJ has had two guys throw him the ball. Burrows and Cousins – both are accurate and throw the ball well. If JJ is going to sign long term, no matter the money, he wants to ‘make sure’ there is someone there that can get him the ball well.
Then you would think he would be at OTAs to start getting a feel for the rookie unless his mind is made up one way or the other already. Going to the Timberpups game with Addison tells me he’s still happy in Minny and he’ll be around. I’m guessing the deal is 99% done and they are waiting on some weird NFL timing thing.
Batting practice – can they get the ball to him in a real game.
And the key they were pointing out was ‘longer term.’
And JJ is supposed to be the long term answer so if Jets is worried or unsure he should be at OTAs to see if he thinks JJ has a shot at being the long term answer or he has made up his mind and they’ve already discussed it.
JJ has “potential”. Look what was projected below about Lawrence and he was considered to be next great.
JJ 1 knows about the ‘potnetial’ stuff.
Jets just has to be on board and think he has that potential and all is well. Like I said, I think the deal is basically done already and just has to be signed.
Some of these individual contracts are creeping up, making it hard to balance a team. Me no likey.
The Cine bust is still a thorn in my side. KAM’s last two drafts have given me hope he’s steering the ship where it truly needs to be but boy did he start off with a big L on his first go around. Hopefully lessons learned.
I jump in to check out the comments, and notice that it is another Kirk Tuesday….sigh, here we go again.
I blame NoDak
And he certainly had few helpers.
The train was already off the rails by time I chimed in lol
I’m having fun. In a pretty good mood and don’t want to deal with the work stuff I need to so I am simply here for my amusement.
Same! Sparingly slow work day considering its after a holiday. The day is young however.
I was on vacation all last week….the older I get the more difficult it is to re-engage in work after a long absence.
I hear that
You sure did! Like walking thru the South side of Chicago wearing a MEGA hat.
I did not expect it to burn so brightly for so long…
At least it will get our comment count up after a slow weekend.
And Brad will get more ad revenue due to it…… err wait.
Not with my Ad Blocker! Sorry Brad…not.
Gardner Minshew is a better QB than Trevor Lawrence.
https://x.com/NFLFrascella/status/1795406764885811601
And that’s why you can’t believe everything you read.
Stats bro. That’s how you compare a QB to their peers.
I seem to have read below stats don’t count.
This actually speaks more about Trevor Lawrence than Gardner Minshew. Lawrence was the #1 pick in the 2021 draft, and some labeled him the “GOAT” immediately. To date, though, he hasn’t lived up to the hype. Even so, pundits still rank him highly. Minshew was drafted in the sixth round, 178th overall, of the 2019 draft. Thus he’s been in the league longer and had more time to develop than Lawrence. Still, Minshew was not highly touted, and Lawrence was. I’d say Lawrence has more talent than Minshew, and he’ll eventually demonstrate it.
If you need a good laugh – Adam Ray’s discount Dr Phil impression is hilarious, iv watched this so many times. First 5 minutes had me cracking up.
Goooooose morning Skolbros!
Hope Tuesday is treating you all terrifically.
Time to stamp ‘VIOLATION’ on a shitload of parking tickets from the weekend – mainly contractors. We don’t charge them or vendors for passes, but if they park in the wrong spot (which is most of them) we enforce, enforce, enforce….
They will fear my mighty stamp and they will lay their parking tithes before me.
Skol!
Goose looks like the type that should be on a stout NFL defense.
Lol…. He’s sneaky fast. Could bait QB’s into INT’s – if they change from a pigskin to a chuck-it ball.
It is Kirk Tuesday!!
This from the Falcon Report.
Happy for him, hope he does well… Except against the Purple and Gold of course.
I hope he, like I hope every other QB in the NFL that doesn’t wear purple and gold, falls on his face and fails miserably.
Unfortunately for you Bow, that ain’t happening. Go cry in your beer.
I am a Vikings fan and will cheer for the success of the Vikings and the failure of the rest of the team. I do not pretend to be a Viking fan and cheer for others and I will not apologize for that. If you think the Vikings will never best the rest of the league, then why are you here?
Because I’m a Vikings fan… duh.
And we are glad you are here, even if we don’t always agree with you (usually though).
Fana are different and think differently and that’s ok.
Hoping the other team plays like crap so we win is one way. I would prefer. they play well and we played BETTER.
In which case the other team still failed and my hope came true.
Believe we were discussing attitude.
Then why have the attitude that they will never win anything?
You are assigning something to me, that does not exist. You make stuff up in your head, and then believe it’s a fact. I cannot fix your head, Bow.
Because it’s just like DC on this site. You impune the person, you discredit their ideas.
True JR… just so.
Ad hominem
If you can’t beat the argument beat on the person instead.
I said I want all teams but the Vikings to fail (not win the SB) and you said it’s never gonna happen? I want every team in the NFL but the Vikings to go home upset at the end of the year and I will not cheer for any team other than the Vikings. There are no players that don’t wear purple and gold that I hope do well.
No…. you SAID “I hope he, like I hope every other QB in the NFL that doesn’t wear purple and gold, falls on his face and fails miserably.”
I said “Unfortunately for you Bow, that ain’t happening”.
Once again you misstate the truth to discredit me. .
Correct.
I cheer against every player and team that does not wear a Vikings uniform, unless a playoff spot is on the line for the Vikings.
But what if I draft Cousins for my fantasy team?
I did that last year, but it wasn’t in the hopes of him putting up his normal stats. It was with the expectation that my curse would continue, and it did.
That’s fine and different.
I will always cheer for the Vikings first, and my fantasy team second.
Then your team is sadly going no where.
well, he might be my back up QB.
Thats what iv stashed him for on the off years I had him on my roster. He has those 2-3 week stretches of 30 fantasy point potential, good match up handcuff.
Well I’m just the opposite. I want them all to do well and then beat them at their best.
I want them all to look like trash when they have to face Flores’ defense.
Wasn’t the way I was taught. Count on the other guy being good, really good and then you play better.
Counting on the other, will get you a lot of loses.
Or they look like trash because your defense is so good. Same difference.
When our defense looks that good, let me know.
Same. I hope hit man breaks him in half on a safety blitz when he comes back to US Bank. The Cheers will be thunderous.
Gonna be crying in your beer, son.
Nah, ill be laughing into my whiskey glass. Really really odd a Vikings fan wants their team to play poorly against a former player. Really twisted mind set there. I hope one day I can have as big as blinders on that you do. Ignorance must truly be bliss.
Like I said, stay on the porch son. I NEVER said anything like what you are pushing here.
You hide behind the implication of your words as a way to dance around what you are truly feeling. Its a pretty common and obvious tactic at this point with you. “I never SAID that” but if you read between the lines, its pretty obvious you value individual player ( one in particular whom you personally know) success over that of a teams, and had he never been the QB of the Purple and Gold you wouldn’t even be here right now.
And for a guy who “claims to be a long time Vikings fan”, his posting ID clearly shows something else.
Why would a “longtime Vikings fan” choose,
“No Longer New Vikings Fan” as their name?
I became a full time member of this blog as a “New Vikings Fan” compared to all the old regulars back on the DN. Then when GF created this site, I became NLNVF. Try and keep up.
Ok.
Still seems to be an odd choice if you have been a longtime Vikings fan.
I never claimed to be good at picking monikers.
I started watching the NFL in 1960. The Vikings have always been a team I loved.
Because he is not a ‘New Fan’ anymore he is a ‘Long Time Fan’?
This should not be hard.
WHO CARES?
Does it matter if a person has been a fan 20 years or 20 days?
are the quality of ones comments determined by fan length?
You misinterpret things and accuse me of stuff you make up in your head. Stay on the porch.
No, pretty sure the comments are right here on this web site, not regulated to my head. I think others can see those? Maybe not, maybe this whole website is a figment of of imagination as well.
Is your top still spinning?
So Bow, Key and DE attacking NLV again – great sport.
What are you talking about? He said something about this being a figment of his imagination so I made a joke in reference to a movie that had nothing to do with anybody and the comments I made below are in response to claims that are readily refuted. Don’t want to be contradicted, don’t make ridiculous claims about stats being everything.
Bullshit – read comment right above – is your top still spinning.
Absolutely nothing to do with ‘claims made.’
Have you ever watched Inception?
Go ahead and keep looking for attacks where there are none though.
No I haven’t.
I was born early in the morning, but it wasn’t yesterday.
Are you suggesting you don’t attack NLV personally?
I contradict his ridiculous ideas that he refuses to back up when asked something directly and I have not attacked him personally, nor was what you claimed to be an attack an attack on anybody, but keep moving the goalposts.
If you think you three guys don’t gang up and attack him personally, then just keep drinking your kool -aid.
I’m amazed you seem to pay a lot of attention to my political and other takes. but think I am moving the “goalposts.” today.
This had nothing to do with anything past or future. You claimed that a reference to a movie was an attack somehow and instead of admitting you read something into a comment that wasn’t there you changed the subject. I’m not the one running around calling people son and telling them to stay on the porch. I will contradict ridiculous takes all day though if they can’t be backed up, especially when asked to explain specific situations. If you want to have some crazy idea, then you better be able to back it up and stick to it with more than personal feelings and the idea that the entire football world is in collusion.
Laughing, so hard Bow. You attack me personally every time I post. Get over it.
Like when? Stay on the porch until you’re ready to answer direct questions and actually back up your stance. If you could ever do that, I’d respect your opinion but all you ever have is feelings and empty statements.
Is Gardner Minshew a better QB than Trevor Lawrence?
Name one great NFL QB in the history of the league who doesn’t have numerous playoff appearances and victories.
Like I said, ALL great QB’s that have numerous playoff appearances and wins, did so on great teams. That’s a fact.
BTW I answered the Gardner Minshew question already. The comparison is a false equivalency. Minshew has been in the league for 5 years, and Lawrence has been in the league three years. I see a slight difference in experience there. Also Lawrence was the #1 pick and thrust into the starting position quickly, on a bad team, much like Bryce Young. So yes, this early in his career, Lawrence is not “living up to expectations”. Watching his play, I see really good NFL QB traits. I’d be willing to bet he makes a big leap in production this year.
It is not a false equivalency if we use your logic because stats are the medium with which QBs are compared to their contemporaries. That is what you said so you either believe it or you’re full of hot air. Quite frankly I don’t think you believe half the stuff you say about QBs because you are so inconsistent. It’s a fun act though and we have more than 20 comments today so there’s that.
Laughing… It’s definitely a false equivalency when you compare apples to oranges.
So stats are not what we should use to compare QBs to their contemporaries then? What changed in the last couple of hours?
Using stats in a false equivalency argument, is nonsense.
This take…I actually agree with. Kudos.
What are you talking about?
I didn’t tell anyone to stay on the porch or call people son.
And this is real,real simple. – there is nothing wrong with ‘contradicting ridiculous takes’. but that is very different than attacking someone ‘personally.’
Go see how the thread started. He’s the one that got personal and defensive right off the bat because someone said something that did “support” Cousins. Stop blindly defending someone that doesn’t need it or deserve it. You’re better than that.
I don’t know if I’m better than that or not. But I hope if I thought folks were ganging up on you, I would try to help you – as best I could.
still moved by your friend situation and hope the path is getting brighter for you.
No, as I said, stay on the porch. You misinterpret commentary and falsely accuse me of things, and the folks on the blog see that as clearly as I do.
I am going to that game. Should be fun. Will the fans boo him or cheer him?
Just like JA said when going to the Bears he expects to be booed and would be disappointed if they didn’t haha.
Winning the offseason and stats….as usual.
You hate Cousins and want him to fail. We know, we know.
I absolutely I want Cousins to fail.
He will fail once again to lead his team past round 1 of the playoffs.
That’s failure.
You will say what a great year he had while watching from his couch in January, and cleaning his superbowl shelf that he built.
Cousins has played at high level every year since becoming a starter. One of the best QB’s in the league. Sorry, go cry me a river.
He does put up stats.
If that’s your only metric, you have an extremely narrow view of the QB position.
No he is the all knowing, omnipresent Football GOD and his knowledge and takes SHALL NEVER BE QUESTIONED! AND YOU WILL BE BANISHED TO THE PORCH IF YOU DO SO!
Yes, son, stay on the porch.
Hay now. I spend a lot of time on the porch and like it.
We don’t have much of a porch here in SoCal, plus weather in the desert is not very conducive to sitting outside for any length of time.
Idahome has a small front porch and we are considering enlarging it. Will have to see, HOA complicates things and they have to approve any new changes/construction.
Laughing
Me too. Love my porch time.
Ahhh the old, “stats don’t matter” comment. Laughable. Stats are how you determine whether a player excels at his position or not. The end.
Well, there is another aspect to a QB.
And that is having the juice to excite other teammates to perform above their capabilities, which transcends stats.
It’s does matter, whether you admit it or not.
It exists and it matters.
Wrong, he said The end. He has spoken.
I guess you missed the part where the Vikings players said Cousins was the “heart and soul” of the team.
You might note that “inspiring people” can’t make them run faster, or jump higher, or catch a football, or not fumble.
Well, saying it and making it happen on the field are two different things.
And Cousins does his job on the field at a high level. That’s every single year as a starter. You say they’re “just stats”, but in context, Cousins has had a different OC almost every year of his career, played behind bad pass blocking O-lines, and still managed to put up better production than most other QB’s in the league, over the course of his career. I actually find that remarkable.
What people feel and say to the media is very often different than what they personally feel. When your starting QB is still on the roster, you publicly raise him up, especially one as baby shit soft emotionally as Kirk. Thats what good team mates do.
I would be happy for Kirk going all the way to the Super Bowl this season. This season is maybe his last chance as a starter.
I think, barring injury, Cousins has at least three very good seasons ahead of him. His brain is what sets him apart, and as long as his body is good, he’s gonna beat defenses with his arm, and make the passing offense prolific.
He will have to move on from the Falcons then. He will be holding the clipboard for Penix if he is on a year three with them.
Wanna bet?
I don’t bet. I don’t make enough money!
Laughing… OK, gentlemen’s bet. Just bragging rights.
Butker has every right to believe what we wants to believe and every right to say and support those beliefs especially when he is acting on an individual basis. You start representing your team or the NFL in those regards the water gets murky. But when I hear this stuff about time honored Catholic traditions… Do we really honor the traditions and true history of the Bible? Because damn near every time I come across information that shows how things really were but it goes against a current stance people never then want to honor the ACTUAL past stance and original stance of the church and Bible. As we have talked on here before most of you should know I am on the fence about abortion. Came to the conclusion that 8 weeks, cut off unless the pregnancy threatens the mother’s life… K? And I know many of you disagree but if you want a real, true, not twisted biblical perspective then there’s this. Great information, just great. So do you stand with the church or twisted history which is really party lines… What’s more important the church or party lines?
what did Butker say that was so offensive?
I think it was the line that ‘some women might look forward to being a homemaker’. That seems to have triggered the Left/Woke/Feminists/Virtue Signalers.
How could that one line caused so much. At the end of the day being mothers and fathers (good ones) are pretty important jobs.
They are the MOST important job. If you do not think this, do NOT have kids.
You and I know they are MOST important, I was being a bit moderate with my words to snag the moderates.
Yeah.
When it comes to parenting, to me there is no room for moderates.
I was not offended by what Butker said. I think the issue some people are taking and it’s nit picky bs where they are looking for shit to be upset about is its only the mother’s that should stay at home. Obviously he never said that but they are asserting he implied it by not saying men could look forward to staying home with their kids. Like I said it’s a bunch of BS.
The MSM put out snippets of his speech, knowing their followers would get all up in arms about the comments.
Sensitive types felt that it was a Man telling a Woman to stay in the kitchen.
Of course that ignores most of rest of the speech but people can find things to be ‘offended’ about if they try hard enough.
Yep.
Have you seen the Justice Alito flag woke crap?
There are effing schools in Oregon flying the same flag, yet it’s only a problem when Alito does it.
What if the women who want to be a homemakers look like this? Then the left would sing praises to the rooftops of the concept.
Hey, Sheila here makes a mean pot roast.
Huh? When did I say he said something offensive? I’m literally in support of his free speech what?
You started your post with Butker so I asked about him.
But I never mentioned he said he said anything offensive. You didn’t ask about Butker you asked what did he say that was offensive… To me he said nothing offensive… 🤷♂️
Why can’t you stand with both? My personal view is separate from what I think should be done legally/politically. I don’t understand why it is so hard for a politician to stand up and say “look, I am against abortion personally, but a complete ban is never going to happen and is just not realistic. If everybody digs in on the extremes nothing will happen. Over 60% of the country agrees with a ban after 8 weeks with caveats for health of the mother, etc. Let’s meet in the middle and move on.” Oh wait, if the dems agreed to anything, they wouldn’t be able to shout that republicans want to control a woman’s body (even though in my opinion restricting abortion is protecting a child. The whole my body my choice I agree with. I just realize that you had the choice sooner than you want to make it other than is extreme cases that could easily be addressed in legislation. Don’t want a baby, keep it in your pants.)
Nicely stated.
Well put Bow.
The only disagreement I would have is that I believe abortion rights should be left up to the states..I do not want the Feds involved either way. Under our constitution it is and should be decided by each state. I know we can get into arguments about how that would be the same as letting slavery be decided by each state…but I think that is the proper course.
I don’t disagree with that either. I think 75% of the crap the federal government is involved in should be state issues as well. Education and healthcare for example.
Truth!
Did anyone actually watch the video? This isn’t really a political discussion but rather a biblical context of where this whole conversation came from.
Nobody has 6 minutes to listen to actually foundationally accurate biblical information but has the time to sit and comment and post a bunch… This is the issue. Ignorance is bliss.
And it’s about one of the most divisive issues that keeps us divided in this country. Fucking, par for the course.
My mind is made up and I will not allow you to try and change it.
Made up about what? This isn’t a political discussion. Are you saying your mind is made up from a personal stance and at the same time you don’t care what the Bible actually has to say on this topic? You’re just proving my point. Politics is your most important religion. More important than your God and his book. What are you so scared of?
Try the sarcasm font next time…
I thought that one was obvious and blatant enough.
Watched the vid. It would take a 10,000 word response to even begin to discuss the video. Suffice to say much of what he says is accurate but he errs in what I think, could be wrong, he is trying to imply. Keep in mind the science of the day during St Augustine’s time, advances in knowledge have led to continued development of doctrine.
Oh you can but the question I’m bringing up is when people say things like Christian values or Catholic traditions (like Butker said) but most any time I bring up actual basis and foundation of Christian traditions but it goes against current values that have been twisted over the years then all the sudden the Biblical stance they claimed to adhere to previously no longer matters. Just food for thought.
Well said Bow…..
Bow making sense.
Every once in awhile I turn the sarcasm gauge down a bit.
Not very often though.
Seems like nobody is actually watching the video to even understand the context of of what I’m asking/talking about… How appropriate.
Did you expect anything different?
Yeah, I figured they’d either watch and comment on what I’m actually talking about or just ignore it all together. But apparently that’s too high of a bar for the right wing echo chamber. Why is everyone so scared of the video? I’m not buying people don’t have time. Dude gives great biblical context on this issue without spin and agenda but unless there’s some kind of right wing biased agenda people aren’t interested in information in these parts
An interesting discussion, as a conservative Christian I go with Psalm 139, versus 13 and 14
But, even your religious discussion really does point out how difficult the abortion question is….which further supports my stance that it should be left to each state and the Feds should stay out of it.
If you want to live in a state that allows the killing of babies, then move to such a state.
Did you watch the video?
Yes, the whole thing
Well, I watched it.
First off, Murder is defined by Jesus as hating someone.
Jesus redefined the term, so this little video doesn’t even address Jesus’ view on the matter, which is what defines Christianity.
Second, there are numerous biblical texts that discusses GOD creating you and blessing you in the Womb.
So there is no way that you will fully understand where Christians come from on this.
I think abortion is wrong.
But I understand the challenges our society faces in determining what is right.
You understand I was Christian most my life right? So I do understand this perspective.
Eight weeks is way too early. I think fifteen weeks is appropriate. I see obstetric ultrasound every other day on women that weren’t sure they were pregnant at 8-9 weeks.
The reason I fell on 8 weeks is because you’re not considered dead until your brain stops… Not your heart. And brain activity starts around 8 weeks. So it was just my number to try and apply some logic to the subject. That’s all. You make a good point.
This guy is overcomplicating the issue and is stuck on Mosaic Law and worldly philosophy for his points. It is not that complicated.
Generally speaking, Christianity believes life begins at conception due to Psalm 51.
Next, Christ has an entirely more profound definition of murder that goes far beyond human understanding of it. The Mosaic Law was abrogated at the cross. According to 1 John 3, God considers someone who even hates his brother to be a murderer.
Eye for an eye is an Old Testament concept. If this guy doesn’t even realize that, he is next to worthless as an authority on theology.
Thank you for actually watching and giving your perspective on it. I understand and respect your take on it. I don’t think he’s overcomplicating things at all. So we’ll disagree here. But that’s fine. I have no idea if this guy is a believer or what, I really don’t. But he presents things from a historical and informational perspective that I enjoy. He uses actual examples. Psalm 51 is interpreted as life begins at conception… It doesn’t actually say that. That is our interpretation of the English interpretation used to back a stance someone is trying to make. This guy in the video isn’t saying he’s for or against abortion but just showing actual history of the church’s stance on the subject isn’t what people make it out to be and I really appreciate that.
I truly believe to understand Christianity you have to understand Judaism and the old testament so to throw it out as basically not important to the story doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
I also wonder why he didn’t mention in the Didache that it says, “You should not slay a child by abortion,” if he wants to present what the early church taught. That is a pretty big one to leave out on the subject.
Weekend was wild, Im waiting for my body to crash but so far iv been getting juuuuust enough sleep to hold it off.
Media Selection is excellent.
Vocals and keyboard really make that an ‘all time great’ IMHO.
And then. there’s House of the Rising Sun.
Another great ones.
QotD: I believe Cine will get cut, he seems like the type that excelled in college, due to his athleticism, and now that he had a major injury he has lost some athleticism and he has to go up against pros.
From the reports it has nothing to do with athleticism, he just isn’t progressing mentally.
I think Jackson’s point was Athlecticism was all he had and now he was less of that.
Hard to make it in the Pro’s with a Slow/Underpowered CPU between the ears, even harder without the physical tools to translate thoughts to action on the field.
So basically saying the game is too complicated for both at this level?
I blame the coaches. It’s never the player’s fault.
No no no the scheme, only the elite of the elite can have the mental processing power and experience to possibly handle our schemes. Thats why we should keep extending aging vets they are the only ones who can handle it. Right?
Its certainly never the GMs fault for drafting busts
I’ll give Kwesi a slight pass on his first draft. He had the job for 3 months. The information he got on players was from Spielman’s scouts, and he was being influenced by Donatell, on which players he needed for his scheme.
The last couple of drafts he has gotten better.
‘A slight pass’
But the worst thing about his 1st draft was ‘the trade’.
That had nothing to do with the scouts or Donatell.
Agreed that they have gotten better.
What if Donatell said he thought Cine was every bit as good as Hamilton, who we should have picked and that swayed kwesi’s decision to make the trade.
Don’t get me wrong the trade was terrible as far as return on investment.
That excuse is ONLY valid for a former QB.
Most prolific QB in Vikings history.
Fran Tarkenton day!!!
Fran was awesome, and legendary. He never produced at the level Cousins did though. I’m talking production here, which is why I chose the word prolific.
If JJ achieves that level of play, we’ll be jumping for joy, won’t we?
I think it is really hard to compare QBs from such different eras. The rules have changed so dramatically to favor the passing game.
I know. People hate Cousins here and refuse to accept his quality of play though. The fact remains, no QB in Vikings history has produced at the level Cousins has, period.
This is a true statement.
0 Super Bowl appearances
0 NFCCG appearances
1 playoff win
Simply stellar production.
Laughing… simply foolish argument… teams stat son.
MVPs
All Pros
First team Pro Bowl (not injury fill in or fill in because somebody better is playing in the SB)
MVP’s and All pro’s are voted on… lot’s of people’s opinions. Cousins play has withstood the test of time. Fact is, he’s never had a bad season as a starter. Ever. His play continues to be exemplary. That’s just the facts.
I forgot that everybody is out to get him and he should have won multiples of each. Sorry.
You seem to forget a lot of things when it comes to Cousins… it’s OK though, we all get you. We all know you want him to fail, to somehow justify your opinion of him. He isn’t going to fail though. He’s going to keep playing well, just as he always has.
Correction, he will keep putting up stats, and if he’s lucky make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Fine, good for him. Our definition of success is not the same.
3 Superbowl appearances was pretty good.
This guy is…..
He’s noty if you look at his production rates, but you live in la, la land all you want.
Dude is in the HOF.
He owned ALL of the passing records when he retired.
Production rates?
WTF is that?
Meaningless stats.
Yeah.
Will Production rates get you into the HOF even though every team you were on, achieved nothing more than a playoff loss?
Not without multiple All Pro nods and an MVP or two.
I thought wins were meaningless stats.
Especially playoff wins and prime time wins.
They’re all meaningless if they don’t fit your current narrative and if that narrative is questioned by direct questions and stats, just ignore said questions.
I said he was legendary. Cousins now owns franchise records, and of course those are just stats. Your argument actually settles the case. Stats (records) matter in determining a QB’s level of play. Thank you.
So do All Pros, MVPs and playoff victories.
To a degree. Playoff victories are not a player stat, as much pundits push that inane narrative. How does one achieve those?
All-pro? Writers vote. MVP? Yeah, people vote. Still without stats, players won’t win any awards.
Stats tell us how good a player is compared to his peers, and history.
Name one great QB in the history of the NFL that didn’t have multiple playoff victories.
Kirk Cousins
Laughing… and may be accurate.
Well, hmmmm… name one “Great” QB who had multiple playoff victories on bad teams. Wins are a team stat. Put Tom Brady on the Browns or Bears, or Redskins his whole career, and he wouldn’t have won hardly anything.
So even though great QBs don’t matter for wins, you can’t name a single one?
Warren Moon was 3-7 in the playoffs.
Which proves his point, that is if you consider Moon great.
If you don’t think Moon was great than you are racist.
What sniffer would say.
10 playoff games, I’m guessing that was either 7 or 8 appearances. I think that counts as numerous appearances.
So Bow, you included MVP’s in your list as a qualifier to be a great QB. I can think of a few QB’s that folks regard highly and been on teams that won Super Bowls who never won an MVP award..
Let’s see… Brees, Aikman, Eli Manning, Staubach, Moon, Rivers, and Roethlisberger come to mind.
You have still failed to answer the question. If you are so sure of yourself then prove me wrong and stop changing the subject. All of those guys were legitimately in the conversation for MVPs, well maybe not Eli but he was a Patriot killer. You’re just proving me right by refusing to answer the question.
No, just pointing out reality. A QB can be extremely good, and even great, and be in the HoF and never win an MVP. You are saying in your argument against Cousins that he never won an MVP. So in this case, your argument is based on faulty logic.
Kirk is very good. Diminished play around him should be factored. You can blame on contracts i guess, is what it is. Oline play while here pretty bad.
Yeah, Cousins doesn’t deserve the ridicule he gets here from a few posters.
He wouldn’t get that ridicule if he didn’t get undue praise and wasn’t talked about as a great one.
Except, he is great… and the ridicule is unwarranted.
Please list the stats that you are claiming are “franchise records”.
Largest half time deficit victory. Nah, QB wins aren’t a thing.
Laughing… really faulty logic here Bow.
Most 300 yard games in franchise history, most 400 yard passing games in franchise history, highest TD production over 88 games, lowest interception rate over 88 games, highest passer rating over 88 games, most passes completed in a row in a game, etc, etc, etc.
‘Blame the coaches….’. NLV and I have had a few arguments over out offense being too complicated – he thinks so and I think not.
But maybe you guys are right. Recall Bill Walsh simplyfied Montana’s read down to one on his base west coast play. Joe Gibbs made it where Thieisman had to read only half the field on all passing plays. And Chuck Noll basically told Bradshaw one read and dump it.
Maybe there is something to this coaching thing.
KOC’s offense has a lot of moving parts as we’ve discussed. Both the QB and WR’s have to understand what the defense is doing, and the WR’s are expected to alter their routes, while QB is expected to know where the receivers will go, and deliver the ball. Purdy in San Francisco throws a ton of timing routes, that work well. He has been thriving, and doesn’t need to wait in the pocket for his receivers to decide where they’re going and make their move. He drops back, and lets the ball go.
I think KOC will need to adjust his offense without Cousins under center, because the processing required to run his passing scheme is very high.
too complicated ? Seems we dumb down offenses for young QB’s, but if you have DB’s and some talent (why else draft them) why not dumb the defense down some as well.
I am thinking that they like to keep the Defense as complicated as possible to confuse the opposing QB and coaches.
Flores loves his ‘multipurpose’ defenders so he can have them do different jobs and switch it up on the field to keep Offenses guessing.
I’ve read that and it does seem to work with young QB’s but not near as well with experienced ones.
Zim loved his ‘Double A Gap’ so the LBs could show blitz and then either drop back into coverage, blitz or cover the run.
Whole purpose was to keep the offense from knowing what the defense was up to.
Good point BUT, I do remember Zim having to make things dumbed down at times too right? Also when damn near all these guys are thriving in Flores defence including UDFA rookies etc… Then you expect your early picks to get it too right?
I’m not as big a Flores fan as many – not saying he is bad, but after easy ed anyone would look good.
I like pressure but not all the time. Too much live by the sword, die by the sword.
The most important thing to remember about Swords/Knifes is that the pointy end goes into people you don’t like.
And don’t bring them to a gun fight, or the UK.
And that’s the problem with this type of defense.
Best defense is to be aware of your surroundings and avoid being ambushed.
Ambush is the preferred choice of predators.
Agree.
Feel like he had to create pressure and chaos when you have a lack of talent to do it without gambling.
I was in NYC this weekend. Very cool place to visit. It’s nice having a free place to stay at my oldest kids place.
Saw this and thought of you all.
Sorry. Not sorry.
Is it Jerk bbq? Because… Jerk is one of my favorite flavors! I don’t even care about all the jokes I just set up! But that jerk in my mouth! 😂
Definitely Jerk BBQ.
Didn’t try it though.
Just make sure you tell them to hold the white sauce.
Do you like spice?
I do, but my acid reflux says no.
That Butker really escalated, didn’t it? I see now even Kaepernick is jumping on the train.
I thought we were supposed to accept other people’s culture? How do we pick which culture is ok to accept? I’m confused.
The only culture that counts is the ‘one’ taught in college classrooms.
I’m not even sure what culture Kaepernick represents.
Terrible QB Culture, maybe?
He was great in that Packers playoff game, though!
I still don’t know what the Vikings were thinking when we went against them with Webb. I figured they’d led Webb try to imitate Kapernick, and it seemed like they did briefly. Then it was like, nah, let’s make Webb work from the pocket. It’s so crazy, it just might work!
LOL, I read he was boycotting the NFL now because of it, made me laugh since he hasn’t been relevant in like 10 years
Yeah, the guy also got fired from a high school team for being an arrogant prick.
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
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SKOL!
On the Kicker dude talking about his faith. Just like everyone else, he is learning if you offend the lib/DEI crowd, you will be vilified.
On the media selection, Well Plaid!
Tonight the Timberwolves finally die, and then we have two months of boredom until preseason football.
KAT reminds me of Kirko, and they both play about the same when it matters.
They accuse conservatives of being haters. Of course they do it with love and compassion because they are not haters.
I thought there was a better than even chance the Mavs would beat the T-Wolves. Luka and Irving is a tough, tough combo.
But to get swept is unacceptable.
It must be a tribute day to Wrenage with that picture up top.
It’s a good day.
I’m not sure why people started calling Raggedy Ann “Cine,” though. She is not looking good these days…
That’s a good comparison
First…..suckers….
I know most if not all of you have both wondered where/how I have been and if I have been surviving californiaaaaaaaaa
It’s been a great vacation so far. Bummed around the santa clarita/simi valley area since Wednesday, now spending 3 days in San diego.
Ocean, not surprisingly, is freezing, but boogy boarding with my kids was A BLAST.
I am safe and alive SO FAR. And have enjoyed InNout multiple times (surprisingly prices haven’t been gouged with that restaurant yet.
Going to the San Diego Zoo tomorrow. Hope I don’t fall into the Tiger pit. Or maybe I do hope since I just paid 5.29 per gallon for gas….BLAH.
Laters on the menjay
Santa Clarita is just over the hill from us.
We spent the weekend organizing/cleaning out the storage unit, much less fun than your weekend.
You can find cheaper gas but have to know where to look, Costco, Sams Club, AFB, etc.
In and Out… Yum! You an animal style guy?
Animal style?
Ha!