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After watching most of that shit-show yesterday, I really have nothing good to say other than the defense put up a good fight until they hit threshold and quit.
I guess the announcers mentioned that the Patriots and Vikings took a similar route, going with a young QB on a rookie deal, and boosting the rest of the roster with free agency and drafts. We can see that the Patriots did a much better job of evaluating talent both at the QB position, and free agents, and the draft. Out of 28 draft picks by Kwesi, 14 are no longer on the team. That level of failure is why the team has 4 wins this season.
Team sucks. I am fine with trading whomever you have to. Jefferson would be first on my list to trade. Talent is there, but I am not a fan of the Diva WRs. Get a few draft picks for one of the best WR out there. Maybe he can have his dream of reuniting with his friends in Cincinnati. My issue with the “trade everyone” strategy, is that Kwesi will still be responsible for the draft. You could give the Vikings 2 picks in every round, and he will still fail.
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And we think WE have problems…
Impressive.
And by that I mean impressively bad.
😆 😂 🤣
LOL
IT IS CLEAR!!
also whos little kid got onto the field and walked in front of him at the 11 second mark
He is just like the rest of us, we all want a functional offense and QB play.
My wife kindly reminded me again that she wanted the team to draft Bo Nix vs JJ, and the Broncos look really good.
I reminded her that while Sean Payton is a complete ass, he is a much better coach than what the Vikings have.
Regrettably, I must admit Payton is HOF coaching material compared to anything the Vikings have had this century.
I’d say Nix is overrated.
But Payton knows how to coach a QB, that’s for sure.
I’ve said here many times, leading up to the draft, I thought Nix was the most pro ready QB, and Caleb was a great athlete, but had a ways to go to be a good NFL QB.
It certainly matters who drafts you, the scheme you are put into, and the coaching you receive. With that in mind, I thought after the draft, that Nix benefited by being drafted by Denver with Sean Payton as his coach. He had a solid rookie season, and outperformed all the QB’s of his class. This year, opposing teams are playing him much differently, and he’s not as good statistically. Still he is ahead of the curve for young QB’s.
I miss this coach
I do not.
Hmmmmmm…
here i was thinking it was like 7 different plays…
just the same play at different angles and speeds hahahaha
NOMST
Was he the OL coach for Ingram’s whole tenure as a Viking?
WOW! What a highlight reel! He sure looked awesome on that ONE play.
According to this chart, only 7 teams have fewer dropped passes in the league than the Vikings. Top 8 in fewest dropped passes? That’s pretty good.
https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-teams-with-most-dropped-passes-this-season-bm10/
Just starting to wonder something, and I’m a big KOC fan at least to this point.
Is KOC really a good HC?
Perhaps
I think it’s a valid question, but he’s had a lot of success his first 3 years. This year, let’s face it. The team doesn’t have a competent QB. Thus we are scoring fewer points than all but four teams. That’s why we have only won 4 games.
OK and certainly true. But who made the decision to go into the season with this group at QB?
The GM. That’s his job.
I really find that hard to believe. KOC is suppose to be the QB guru and everyone in the. world knows you need competent QB play in the NFL.
If KAM isn’t listening to KOC on this particular subject – He’s the damn expert – then he’s not the brightest GM around.
No at the end of the day it IS the GMs job. KAM gets blame for the good and the bad even when it’s not his doing. Just have to be consistent. I give him credit for the FA home runs even though I suspect Flores had more to do with that than KAM. So by the same regard KAM gets the blame even if it was more of KOCs fault. It’s his job either way.
OK then. KAM took a 14 win team and turned it into this shitshow we have now.
I blame KAM.
This is the age old argument that Parcells expressed. He said “if I’m gonna cook the meal, at least let me choose the ingredients”. But the GM has to manage contracts and salary cap, while building a Championship caliber team. It’s a high wire act, that requires a horse trading instinct, excellent financial knowledge, and yes, an understanding of NFL talent at every position. I don’t think KAM has all of that. KOC has to take what he’s given, and make the most of it. I do think KOC thinks he can win with almost anyone under center, but maybe he’s finally seeing that isn’t the case. He had two veteran QB’s that were able to run his offense. The rookies can’t yet.
he has always been bad with in game time management…..
in game adjustments….
but dang is he handsome
I know you agree with the last statement
As I’ve previously recounted, he sat behind me on a flight from Orlando to Minneapolis and I kept peering between the seats and over the seat back to admire his radiant beauty.
I think he could be a great OC or QB coach, but until he gives up play calling he is not a good HC.
I’ve made my thoughts on him clear this year. We will never win the Owl with him.
He’s too stubborn in his crap offensive scheme.
His initial gameplans are awful more times than not.
The team never seems ready to play in big games.
He is the worst 3rd and short play caller in the league by a mile.
Far more often in game I think the play calling in general sucks than I think it’s good.
I was a quasi-fan up until this year, but this year I’ve seen the light, as it seems you are starting to do as well.
Silver lining #2
I didn’t run out and buy a McCarthy jersey to keep my Bridgewater jersey company in mothballs.
speaking of bridgewater.
he’s on a commercial for the “backups” thing, i don’t remember what company etc…
ANYWAYS.
my daughter saw the commercial with him yesterday and she goes “THAT’S TEDDY BRIDGEWATER?!?!?!” and i was like yeah why
“that’s NOT how i pictured him…..”
Haha, idk if she is a mini racist or what but it made me laugh
Haha that made me laugh too.
This made me LOL, because the three jerseys I have purchased as an adult are…
Teddy. Donated to goodwill
Kirko. Thrown in the trash at US Bank stadium after the season ending game vs Chicago, 2018
JJ – Worn once, will wait 1 year before donating to goodwill.
I will never buy another jersey. They are not as comfortable as t shirts or sweatshirts, and I seem to curse any QB that I like. Yes, in August 2018 I liked Kirk. It was short lived.
In my defense, I got the JJ shirt before his knee issue last season. I had no idea he would be this terrible.
Gah I can’t believe I forgot my Sloter jersey. I wore it yesterday and got bbq sauce on it. First time that baby’s been worn and washed in four years.
Imagine SLOTERGOAT on this team!
We could have 3 wins instead of 4!
I have an old john Randle Jersey that is my game day go to….alas, it is starting to wear out. 5 dollars from a thrift store.
Oh man my custom Sloter jersey ran about $300 iirc. A fool and his money…
Not that we need to win any more this season, but Ridder did throw for almost 3000 yards in Atlanta in ’23.
Games would likely be closer with him playing……
If JJ can play the 5 remaining games, he’s on pace for 1700.
I am content to let JJ run out the rest of the season. I wanted Brosma data. Now I have that. And I wanted JJ to get benched because he needed it, IMO, to see if it reframes his brain. Got that, too.
Everything is coming together!
Vikings luck he’ll get injured and not able to return for 12 months, but we’ll get lots of updates on how he is doing great in rehab, then a little setback, then working out with the team in non contact drills, studying the tape, etc….
AUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
History suggest something little different.
He plays pretty well this week and then follows it with a down week. After the later, we learn he suffered an injury during the game and will miss the next one (or a couple).
LOL
Maybe we’ll score with less than 45 seconds left against WAS to go up by 13 points…only to give up a TD on the ensuing kick return, allow a successful onside kick, and then have six missed tackles on a Rodriguez check down capped by Harrison Smith attempting a shoulder tackle only to be dragged 15 yards into the end zone.
To use a phrase uttered by an intelligent man –
Ouch.
But probably true.
i wonder if Carolina is looking for a WR for their playoff push…….
That would be WILD!
i would LOVE it if that happened.
freaking KAM
Here I thought the Browns giving the Bengals Flacco was the dumbest GM move of the year… still might be but this would be in contention.
Maybe we could get our 4th round pick back?
It’s gone, and it’s not coming back haha.
You know you’re probably not in a good spot when the on line Wall St Journal runs an article on your “plan” to go cheap at QB and load up on FA’s.
New plan. Sign Touchdown Tommy off the Saints’ practice squad for the remainder of the year. You’d basically be running wildcat but with somebody who can throw.
Couldn’t hurt and it would revitalize the Montana fanbase.
i hate the bobcats, so i’d boycott
but but he’s from butte
As much as I miss watch Kirk Cousins throw the ball competently, the Vikings unloaded him at the right time…His game has visibly gone down hill. The quote from the article…
Kirk Cousins forced the Falcons to rethink everything after Week 13 flop
Father Time is undefeated.
Did that guy even watch the game! Living down here, I did. Now I’m no QB guru, but I didn’t see much difference from the Cousins of 22 or 23.
Hmmm….interesting..
Cousins is throwing the ball with really good touch and accuracy like he always has. Would have won the game in the end on that last drive, but the receivers dropped three passes in a row. The last two were for gains over 20 yards each. Cousins fired the ball into them perfectly.
Welp.
https://www.vikings.com/news/adam-thielen-wide-receiver-waived-released-2025
I wonder if he will catch on anywhere – I think he can still be a number 3 receiver…
You’d think there were signs of interest for him to do this right? WHAT A SHIT SHOW wow! I have tickets for the Lions game on Christmas… oof, hope its even close to a competitive game. Hope everyone is well.
Get in the Christmas spirit! There has never been a 100-0 football game, just think of the memories if you can snap a selfie of the scoreboard in the background with a grinch costume.
This morning on KFAN Ben Leber said AT’s time with the team wasn’t long. He made it sound like he was speculating, but I wonder if he had some inside info.
oof, what a complete rollercoaster the Vikings have been this year….
“the only thing we are missing on this roster until addison is back from his suspension is a 3rd wr….”
YIKES
Maybe Tai Felton will get to see the field a little.
Bwhahahahaha! That’s perfect. Trade for a guy for three catches and then release him.
Quite the trainwreck this year. Good thing we extended Kwesi.
Hopefully after he decides not to retire after this season we can trade for him for another season. Love that guy! Did you know he’s from Detroit Lakes?
Silver lining, our punter earned his game cheque yesterday.
Silver linings 2 and 3
There was a Hockenson sighting.
Our defense played pretty well.
And another Hockenson screen pass Lol
He had 6 catches for 60 yards, we will take that.
Agreed. Just don’t like the TE screens
Me either….wish we could throw the ball downfield to anyone…unfortunately our downfield passing game is a thing of the past.
May as well stir up some controversy.
I think Blake Brandel should get a one game suspension for that deliberate helmet to helmet hit on Josh Jobe (who has already missed game time twice for concussions, one more and he is automatically on IR). That BS does not belong in the game, absolutely a dirty play. Grab him and throw him to the ground, do the wrestling match, take a swing, but going for the brain is wrong.
agreed. didn’t see it in real time, slow-mo replay showed it to be a very dangerous/deliberate helmet to face hit. trash play. fire em
Having him off for the Commanders game also increases our chances of losing the game so a win-win.
have JJ or Brosmer a the helm almost ensures a loss anyways.
I didn’t have a problem with it. RB was being tackled and he tried to push the pile a few yards further. Yes helmet to helmet was a problem but reacting in real time to two people moving in space is tricky.
I was glad to see someone on the offense still giving extra effort trying to make good things happen. Might be a fine, don’t see much more than that.
I agree, if anyone should be suspended it is the defensive player that took a swing at him after the play.
LOL you homers.
I agree with SoCal. He came running full speed to push the guy off, it didn’t look like he was trying to hit the guy in the head, it just happened. But then the other guy took a swing at him. Any other time if someone swings a fist and connects, he is kicked out of the game.
WWJD
Probably not play football.
It was a bad hit. I thought he maybe did it because the Seahawks player was giving Mason a proctology exam.
Even KOC admitted that the offense was horrible and that the blame starts with him.
Well, suit him up next Sunday and let him demonstrate how the Offense can work.
i did giggle when he called that pick 6 catastrophic….like DUH
I guess i picked a good game to not watch
Rob dashed my hopes yesterday in off line conversations. Justin Jefferson’s cap hit on a trade would be enormous, will not happen until 2027 at the earliest. Then there is the fact we currently have the #11 spot in the draft, we can’t even suck as bad as the other ten teams that excel at sucking.
Currently I am hoping for the #32 spot in the power rankings. Dammit we earned it yesterday!
Did someone say “He can’t do worse……”?
Not me.
Numerous people. I tried to warn them. I heard the same thing about the Oline a few years ago. I guess some got what they hoped for. Now we should all get behind hoping JJ shows growth over the remainder of the season.
To be fair, I think any rookie QB would struggle playing this Seattle defense at Lumen. I agree, there is no other move forward except to play JJ out this season. I may differ from others, though, if he misses more time or does not improve next five games I would not keep him on the roster next season.
As it appears now, its a staggering thought that they missed, and missed terribly with the evaluation of JJ. Did they panic ah la Ponder? Well we’re stuck with JJ McPonder for now.
That’s why barring a significant improvement to league average (instead let’s say a tepid improvement to #31) I would draft a QB high in 2026 draft. Otherwise if the trend of slow development continues we are in a must draft situation in 2027 which always leads to a reach.
I agree. Keep drafting at least 1 QB every damned year. You will eventually pick a winner.
@unless your name is Kwesi@
Well, now we know. Max may develop into a QB2 in a few years, but right now he’s not the answer.
My biased observation was that Max’s processor runs at a higher clock rate than McCarthy’s, but he just couldn’t make the throws, or even at the higher clock rate than McFragile’s™ 80’s era 50 MHz couldn’t make the throw on time.
Do you take the slightly improved mental processing speed over the cannon arm, fragility, and scramble abilities?
Based on Max’s results, no. Losing is losing, but yesterday was embarrassing.
Ouch. Poor guy only practiced with the 1’s for one week.
Are the 2s and 3s THAT much faster than Addison and Jefferson that he was leading them by a mile?
Funnily enough my observation was that most of his throws were behind the receivers. Two guys watch the same game, but see different things. That’s the game of life.
I was pretty busy racking and bottling (and sampling) wine, and checking the pork butt on the smoker.
I can distinctly remember 2 to Addison and one to Jefferson that they dove for but the ball glanced off their hands. And I remember the abysmal shovel pass that ended in a Pick-6.
Other parts of the game are fuzzy.
the 2’s and 3’s probably catch better than JJ and Addison too
JJ throwing the ball too hard was supposedly why receivers have had so many drops. What’s the excuse now since Brosmer doesn’t throw nearly as hard as JJ and there were still plenty of drops yesterday?
Thumbing through my excuses cardex….the receivers know the season is lost and don’t want to be concussed trying to catch a ball when they’ll get smashed like a bug a fifth of a second after catching it.
Ummm McCarthy sucks, and misses his targets a lot. That whole he throws the ball too hard line is BS. He just flat misses guys. Brosmer just flat missed his receivers too. Drops happen to every QB, and they are usually drive killers, but that doesn’t excuse inaccuracy.
And I think I said McCarthy never led an offense with his arm and his brain in his life, so I wasn’t thinking he was really going to light it up this year. You crowed your ass off about how McCarthy was so great, and he was leading the team to the Super Bowl.
So don’t sit here now, and spout “I told you so” about Brosmer.
NLNV a little edgy this morning.
Laughing… the truth shall set you free.
I didn’t say this year and I still think he’ll be fine and win Super Bowls. My stance there hasn’t changed and doesn’t make my thought that an undrafted rookie from a run first, mid-tier school was going to be worse wrong.
Laughing… all you said over and over was how the JJ era had begun. Yeah, now it’s “I didn’t say when…
McCarthy is the worst QB in the league. He isn’t close to being good.
Reminds me of a few other QBs, in their first year or two starting, over the past 20-30 years, but more recently; Caleb Williams, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Bryce Young, just to name a few.
Well two things… first, he’s in his second year. Last year all he had to do was sit, listen, study film, and learn. He should have come into camp with a complete understanding of the system, and basic defensive schemes and structures. He should have been able to run the offense with some semblance of efficiency. Instead, we get a guy who looks like he hasn’t learned anything, and is winging it most of the time.
Second, he often misses receivers by a LOT. That’s why KOC has been trying to work on his mechanics all of a sudden. Under pressure he just sails balls, or misses short. That is a very big problem.
Again, other than the sitting out his first year, this is what everyone said about the QBs I mentioned. I am not saying JJ will ever be good, but I am wise enough to know you don’t cast him aside after 7 games played.
JJ couldn’t play, so what were we supposed to do? Have Jefferson be the qb?
That wasn’t the point. I heard for weeks before JJ got hurt that they should just play Brosmer “because it can’t get any worse”.
Who said that?
And perhaps even more importantly. being the best of a bad lot is hardly anything to feel good about.
Personally, I’m not sure it was any worse. At this point in both of their careers, they not ready for the NFL.
Well, with McFragile we actually scored some points……
I still cannot stand KOC.
Lots of reasons, but most of all it seems that our team is never truly prepared and firing on all cylinders each game. Seems like we’re constantly playing catch-up.
Am I being harsh? Am I alone on this?
Almost makes me yearn for Mike Zimmer. Seems like KOC is always whispering sweet little nothings in the ear of the QB.
Wouldn’t say I can’t stand him, but I am not necessarily a big KOC fan. I think he has mostly failed in key games over his career. Play calling and clock mgt are sub par.
Speaking of clock mgt it was like Seattle took a page from the Vikings playbook at the end of the second half.
I had turned it off by then, What did hawks do?
They let the Vikings milk the clock down sitting on three timeouts. Of course with 50 seconds left on the clock special teams gave up a 20 yard return and then a couple of short plays got them within FG range, very generous of our squad.
Surly, I don’t think the patriots did a better job of evaluating the QB. They just had the #2 pick and were able to take Maye.
At this point, I hope the Vikings don’t win another game this season. It would be more beneficial to lose out then to try and win out.
I will give you that Maye was available to them. However, the rest of the draft class and the free agents the Patriots signed, have build a much better roster than the Vikings have.
I don’t think the team needs to try to lose out, they’ll just do it.
I’ll truly be pissed if they finish 9-8…for no reason whatsoever but to continue in this no man’s land of late round picks. Even if McCarthy comes up to average play next year this roster cannot win in the playoffs.
I just puked in my mouth a little thinking of Harrison Smith out there in 2026.
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Can McCarthy suddenly become great?
I think at this point we would all be thrilled if he became average.
Not looking good right now. Hopefully he can have an epic comeback story and shut everyone up. That’s a rough road with this team right now though.
We all know he’ll eventually leave the Vikings and become a HOFer with another team because Vikings.
I’m hopeful he hit his nadir in GB and will now start showing slow improvement over the last five games, as the team can relax as they kissed their chances of a playoff spot or even a third place finish in the NFC north.
Crazy that we went from the QB roster last year to this…we don’t have a QB on the roster ATM.
Well, we did bring in Desmond Ridder…
Haha you got me!
Don’t forget about Wolford…..whoever that is……
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