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Who leads their team to a SB first, Kirk or JJ?
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Looks like a beautiful day on tap here on Hemlock Lake near Birchwood, WI.
About 70 today. Might get a round of golf in.
No wifi or cell service unless I walk a quarter mile to the nearest rd. So Iโm a committed Skoloholic.
Have a great weekend.
Back to my hole.
๐ถNow the folks from down south Louisiana
Said Amos was a hell of a man
He could trap the biggest, the meanest alligator
And he’d just use one hand
That’s all he got left ’cause an alligator bit it (hahaha)
Left arm gone clear up to the elbow!๐ถ
Jerry Reed
300!!
Yeah us.
Not bad on a Friday.
๐ถWell, up in Chicago
I was known as quite a boy
Yes I was
Down in Alabama
They call me the man of joy
Still do
Well, I’m a ramblin’ man
Don’t fall in love with a ramblin’ manโฆ๐ถ
Waylon Jennings
Last year, the Twins sucked, but they were leading their division.
This year, theyโre better, yet theyโre behind Cleveland.
Don’t know if Cleveland is better or if they just got off to a fast start the same way the Twinkies got off to a slow one.
Good thing they have about 140+ games left to work it out.
Yup, lots of season left.
I love the boo birds every time Murray touches the ball.
Twinkies win in Toronto 3-2 to get to 23-15 on the season.
Fire the manager
I needed gas for my lawn mower so I did that right after lunch. Then I figured I should go ahead and mow. 15 minutes in, I shredded a belt. Called the John Deere place to make sure they had a belt. I told them the wrong belt. I realized that after I already started driving to get the belt. I turned around to verify what belt I needed. Called JD back to make sure they had the belt. 1 hour round trip to get the belt. Needless to say, the afternoon was wasted. I did get to mow for about an hour before it started raining, so there is that I guess.
Desert Landscaping for the win.
Idahome has grass but with the homeowners association we have needed to have gardners.
That might change once we get there and moved in.
Well we picked my sister up from the airport. So far so good. She is quite frail and can’t move very well. Can take about a dozen steps before she has to rest. Took a while to get her from the car to the living room, to her bedroom. She’s resting comfortably now. The adventure begins.
Good luck. Family needs to be there for each other.
Indeed. You of all people know this well. Thank you VP. Hope all is well with yours.
Glad you have family you are close enough with to take in.
The ones I feel comfortable having in my home don’t need it.
The others I don’t want anywhere near me are the ones that need it.
Same with The Teachers family, she agrees.
I understand. We started out with my parents and six kids (yes, Catholics) and now it’s just my oldest sister, myself, and my younger brother. Everyone else is gone. My sister is not in good health, so I don’t know how many years she has left. I just want to be sure she is safe, and as comfortable as possible.
I get that. I have family that I would do the same for.
I have other family I wouldn’t let into my house otherwise they would steal or worse.
The Teachers side is the same. 1 brother and her kids, the rest are rotten apples.
I blame you guys.
After our cereal discussion I had a hankering for my personal fav, Life Cereal.
Walked by the cereal isle today and hung strong, did not get any as I seldom eat cereal now days.
Then just before the check out there was a box on the Clearance Shelf because it had one dented corner, Took it as a sign.
Snacked in it on the way home and now it is in the ‘snack drawer’. You guys are a bad influence.
#thanks
We are always here to help. Especially if that help is really not helpful at all.
Enjoy the cereal. Life is a legit choice!
You see how there’s a child eating it in the commercial
After the great cereal debate, I have had cereal for the last three mornings (my wife’s). Normally never eat cereal.
Proud to report still alive and all vital signs in good range.
Whatโs the deal with you guys and cereal
Mostly memories at this point for me.
I want JJ day one. Toss him to the dogs and see what happens.
OK
It would be entertaining. Since the end of the season is likely not February, I am fine with your strategy.
Someone say dogsโฆ?
https://x.com/PurpleForTheWin/status/1788989187368112528
Who else was going to start? Do they even have a QB with starting experience on their roster?
You have forgotten Tyson Bagent?
How silly of me lol. The dude almost beat the Vikes last year ha
Get the gold jacket fitted
https://x.com/PFF/status/1788996902735749363
I don’t know Bow… that guy just looks goofy to me… grin.
He actually looks like he could be Kirk’s kid, and they are basically the same size. The Vikings just drafted a younger, more athletic Kirk.
A very cheap, younger, more athletic and mentally capable Kirk is a very very scary good QB.
Yeah but does he have a spreadsheet broken down into 15 minute increments that schedules his entire day? Does he work on Tuesdays?
Younger, much more athletic and less expensive. Let’s see in three years how things are going. I am filled with Hopium.
Love seeing the #9. I have flashbacks to cheering for Tommy Kramer when I was my sonโs age.
What’s our interior o-line this year? JJ wants to know..
Same as the last 10+ years
FJB.
Indeed
Biggest pandering POS ever to buy votes. It’s all about reelection, not what’s right.
Its been that way since pre WWII, tbh.
Biden waffles on everything. Now pandering to anti-semitics. Comical in a way.
The end of the empire has been long in the making, this is the panicle. 250ish years was a good run. Might be time to pack it up.
Yup, basically. The dollar will soon be replaced as the reserve currency, then itโs over.
Wan’t to talk about a flip flopper? Jon Tester voted against the Riley Act and is now co- sponsoring it since the election is coming up.
stop saying things that apply very much to every president in our life time (probably, I’m not sure how old balls everyone is), he is so much worse than pandering for re-election. Trump was/is a HUGE panderer, Obama was a HUGE panderer, etc… etc…
We need more to choose from. Debating sure would help. Lost art i guess.
The general public should be trying to figure out how to remove the bloated tick that is the corporate/lobbiest backed two party system. Thats the real problem. But the powers that be will never allow it. Short of another revolution.
Yup, 10000000%! If we could all get around this 1 issue, and that is the only issue that mattered I think we could actually make a dent in the system or at least try. Don’t care, Red or Blue just pop that damn bloated tick! But those in power know that’s our only shot so they’ll keep us divided.
Is the ‘damn tick’ really the lobby groups?
My metaphorical tick is our current federal Government as a whole.
Edge was suggesting going after the tick – all of us together.
Problem is when you go after the current government as a whole, every single person has a steak or strong feelings about one particular part – you know gouge my neighbors ox but not mine.
Right, the division is way too strong even on a per state basis, let alone at the national level. It would take large amounts of people to set aside their petty issues or wants for a period of time in order to focus on the common enemy. All the while trying to possibly live a normal life? Its a lot to ask.
It’s fixable though – with strong and unselfish leadership.
And at the same time most all of our big problems are fixable provided one is willing to reasonably take them on.
Anyone thats good enough to be in a place of leadership or power doesn’t want to do it because its such a damn meat grinder and could ruin their life. Do you want to run for political office? I sure as hell don’t.
In our history, someone has always come along fit for the task. I’m a believer – someone will step up.
System needs to be rebuilt. Justice system, fucked. Medical system, fucked. Education system, fucked. Journalism/media, fucked.
The governmental system is riddled with corruption at every level. Neither party gives a shit, theyโre both knee-deep in it. The politicians are all getting rich while we all look stupid and get corn holed.
Are you talking about lobbiest groups like the NRA that give large or individual parties themselves/
In my mind at this point all are corrupt to an extent. Big or small its scratch my back and ill scratch yours kinda things that are all done to line the others pockets at the cost of the general public.
Indeed there are all corrupt and the system is badly broken
And there is only one group that put a stop to it.
They all need to get votes. Difference between sucking up to people to get votes versus doing 180’s on positions depending on who you are talking to.
Personally I think Republican candidates for president in my lifetime have been more guilty of this than Dems. I really liked Romney… until he bent over and cowed down to the RNC on stances that made him more of a moderate and make him seem like he had his own thoughts, opinions and gumption, same thing for McCain but both just bent over and took it in the ass.
Well, we’ll just have to disagree. Biden to me is by far the very worst of all.
Romney and McCain’s problems were that they waffled all the time. For example, if McCain’s last run fofr Senate, he ran on appealing Obamacare – central theme of his campaign. Then when the party needed just one vote to repeal it, he casted the deciding vote to keep.
I believe Hillary would have been the worst.
It’s a race to the bottom
This concerns me.
I was reading the Amazon seller blog today and another seller mentioned how they were taken advantage of by someone that knew how to play the rules of Amazon. Another person mentioned that there is a person (just one of many) that has a video on some social media outlet that explains how to get a free refund from Amazon and the person in the video is laughing about it the whole time.
My question: What kind of justification do you have that allows you to steal? If the company is big enough and you don’t like the leader or founder? If you think you are being taken advantage of by a company? If you feel like you are entitled? If you feel like you can get away with it? If you feel like the company is making too much money?
What the person in the video fails to either know or care about is that there are many third party sellers on Amazon and a big chunk of those are small mom and pop operations. The sellers are under the thumb of Amazon’s rules and must abide by their very lax refund policies. So if you are unaware, like many Amazon shoppers, you may very well be stealing from some small mom and pop shop instead of Amazon. Would that make any difference to you?
Those people do not care and to those people it does not matter who they are stealing from. They are entitled, worthless excuses for human beings.
Some people can justify anything.
People looting stores out here because they laws allow it are the same ones complaining and citing ‘Racism’ when those same stores close down.
They want what they want and they have been taught that is all that is important.
I call it Teenager Logic.
Nah, I am the most important person in the world.
We did have a recent experience with returning an item that was damaged in shipping. It was a big unwieldy and awkward window blind. When you put in a request for a return, they (as I’m sure you know) send you a barcode to put on the box and then you can run it to UPS. Before you can do that, though, you get to strip all these labels on a POS 5 foot long six inch wide cardboard box that has previously gotten wet…all of this and then the return address says it’s going to College Station, TX, where some HS diploma dude is going to snap bubble gum while he tosses it into a big dumpster. My wife was worried the new one would also be damaged and suggested just stuffing some junk and paper in the box, how likely would it be that they would check? Not a bad thought.
As of today, Amazon still hasn’t officially given us credit for the return sent a month ago even though the UPS tracker shows delivery.
I’m very surprised you haven’t gotten the refund. For most of us selling on Amazon, Amazon take the refund out of our money as soon as the first scan of the return package is recorded. If we get back a bag of garbage, then we have to fight with Amazon to get our money back.
I should clarify we requested a replacement window blind which was ordered, and received (yesterday) at no cost to us. The fine print says that if we “fail to return the original order by May 19 Amazon will charge your account for the product”, ie we would end up paying for two blinds.
Ahh. FYI, the Amazon warehouse workers are overworked, I doubt they are underpaid however. Also, a lot of them are rather incompetent.
I get triggered by the FB posts where people complain about the local hospital (ubiquitous everywhere I have lived) and come up with some thing (in the case of GMC it is the billing department, a popular scapegoat) that leads to the oft repeated quote, “they’re a bunch of crooks hate going there I go to such and such facility up the road unless it’s an emergency, I tell them when I go in with my six hours of bowel cramps that I think they are a bunch of ding dongs and they just need to give me the medication I tell them always works for me.”
Well boys the local hospital closed up shop. You get to drive 70 miles with your ruptured appendix.
QotD
Cousins will win the SB this year.
Behind the startling play of the QB tandem of Darnold and the sizzling rookie JJ McCarthy, as well as the stingiest defense in the league, the Vikings will roar to 17-0 and a #1 spot in the NFC. Atlanta will limp into the playoffs with a 7-10 record, tops in the NFC South.
Wild card round Atlanta will stun the 12-5 Cowboys with a last minute fumble six to win 12-10.
Divisional round Vikings will continue their winning ways by defeating SF. Atlanta will again pull off an improbable win on the road against Philadelphia on a controversial non OPI call late in the 4th.
Everyone will be tuning in for the NFCCG game rematch in Minny between Atlanta and the red hot Vikings.
Cousins will stiff arm Turner during a scramblerooski in the first quarter to put him out of the game with torticollosis. Cousins will play the game of his life extending drives with pinpoint passes while getting hit like a redheaded stepchild on multiple possessions, including a miraculous completion on 4th and 19.
Atlanta will get the lead by one point with one minute left. Minnesota with all three timeouts will drive to the Atlanta 10. With ten seconds left in the game JJ will inexplicably throw the ball away, missing a wide open JJ in the back corner of the end zone.
Out comes the Vikings placekicker to seal the NFC win…
…. And Reichard nails the kick, sending the Vikings to the SB and forever killing the kicker curse.
Stop with the negativity. It is Friday and I’m going to the mountains this afternoon so I choose hope and happiness. On top of that, we should be getting highlights from rookie camp shortly that we can get way too excited about.
Preview of Reichard
Emotionally Unstable Person.
We had a lot of those in Prison.
Kumbaya hot yoga?
I don’t think I want to know what that is.
It sure sounds funny however.
What happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room.
Itโs yoga done in a sauna like room – or a room where the temperature is jacked up. Sweat, stretch, release toxins.
My wife has done hot yoga twice a week for the last few years. She loves it.
That’s just your plain old hot yoga. Booorrrinngg. The Vikings do it Kumbaya style.
It’s yoga designed for maximum fart production. I believe there was a scientific study I received in my email a few days ago, written by certified fitness experts, stating that the volume of bowel gas released by ten women during a single hot yoga session is the equivalent methane production of a herd of 100 cows in a year.
So hot yoga is the true cause of global warming.
Just go ahead and take the spot behind your wife during a hot yoga session. You will see, smell, and hear.
I’m gonna go ahead and pass on that.
Bears GM Ryan Poles on Caleb Williams:
โHeโs got special instincts, awareness, especially in the pocket to manipulate the pocket, get in and out of the pocket, spatial, a feel for space is special. Thatโs his special sauce. Then once we kind of speed things up and start to identify different coverages โฆ thereโs an adjustment to an NFL offense that heโs got to go through as well. Weโre really excited to work with the tools he has.โ
If this kid is half as good as everyone thinks, it’s going to be problems for us for years.
or he could be a total headcase and suck and be out of the league in a few years…
that’s why its always fun to speculate.
He is going to Chicago and they have proven almost as skilled as the Jets at ruining high picked QBs.
Perhaps just my business background, think it’s better to assume the other guy (team whatever) is for real and then figure out a way to still best them.
Waiting for the other guy to flame or not pan out, is not a good way to go.
But if that ‘other guy’ has a history of ‘flaming out’ it would be foolish not to consider the possibility of it happening again, and maybe helping it along the way.
Plan for all the possibilities.
Fair. But it’s not like we have a lot of SB trophies on the mantle.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
Words to live by.
Especially Viking Fans.
I believe we are planning on him being good, that is why we got Turner in the draft. And potentially great players for defense in FA. Now if we can grab a DB like Howard, we may be really good on defense.
That’s true but just as easily so could JJ.
Think for planning purposes better to think he’s going to be good, and the Bears, and then figure out a way for us to be even better.
yep absolutely JJ could as well.
judging from college….JJ seems to be the more mentally tough/stable one, so at least in THAT regards, i’m not worried about JJ
He’s also already ran a pro style offense efficiently and successfully while also showing the ability to go off script if needed.
Well, sort of. At heart, Harbaugh is a quarterbacks coach with a West Coast passing game. At Stanford, and Michigan, he relied on concepts with horizontal and vertical stretches to create clear, easy reads for his signal caller. Many of these concepts require a great receiver at the Y position BTW, but unlike at many other National programs, Harbaugh’s system doesn’t allow him to just move a good receiver inside.
Why? Because you can’t go toe-to-toe with a loaded box if you put three or four receivers on the field. Harbaugh used spread sets, but he always used tight ends, H-backs, fullbacks, or wing-backs so he could run the ball.
Harbaugh’s offense featured a brutal running game of the sort that even SEC programs dreamt of fielding.
So while folks say Michigan ran a “pro-set” offense, it was nothing like the KOC offense in any way, shape or form. Michigan simply beat opponents to death with their running game, and ran simple pass route combinations that were easy on a QB to execute.
I guess I was thinking more about the fact that he has ran a huddle and regularly took snaps from under center. While that can be learned, Stroud even said that after Fields he specifically asked to play more like that at Ohio State and said it greatly helped him. Too many college offenses use the play cards crap. Obviously that is changing now and I think it is going to increase how fast rookie QBs can be successful in the NFL in the future.
Definitely. Taking snaps from under center, and play action passes are important.
Would worry more about the Alabama affect on QB’s than type of ofeense.
agreed. I can’t get a fair read on my thoughts because I’m like this screams bust, part of which is because he was drafted by the Bears but the other part of me is going… aren’t they due?
We are due also. But here we are trophy-less.
I’m not sold. He could be an issue, but his mental makeup is still a question to me along with how his game will transfer to the NFL. I haven’t seen enough of him showing he can stand in the pocket and run an NFL style offense. Maybe he can, but thus far, he has thrived on the off schedule stuff and when he was at his best, he benefited from very good WRs (Addison).
I’m not sold either – but not sold on any young QB’s yet to play a down.
But there’s a shit load of analysts think he’s the second coming of Mahomes. Maybe baloney.
But if not, we’ve got a problem as he’ll be a division rival for years.
We’ve had to put up with Favre and Rodgers and have still managed to make the NFC Championship Game a few times. All that without having a long term, stud QB. JJ hits, it’s going to be a fun rivalry. The Bengals don’t worry about Lamar or vice versa. They have their guy and the rivalry is entertaining and they both have a chance. I could live with playing the Bears, in MN of course, in the playoffs while the Lions and Packers sit at home.
That would be fun. Especially if we win and send the Bears home crying.
well, the likelihood of at least ONE bear crying, is high
Ironically one of those NFCCG appearances was with one of those HoF QBโsโฆ
Yep. F Sean Payton and his stupid butthole mouth.
Agreed.
FT*!
Awesome points, and it really could be a lot of fun… a lot of fun that hopefully we are on the winning side of lol
True. but I think in the short run we have a problem.
Lions and Packers are real and only getting stronger. Packers are young and Lions have a lot of talent.
And then the Bears – some analysts ( know BS artists) think they might contend for playoffs this year.
Want to win a SB. WC is too tough – need to win the division.
Now LaMar and burrows and Allen even, they all have a problem in KC.
Those same analysts said Fields was one of the top 3 QBs in the NFC going into last year too though soooo….
Agreed on the Lions and while young, I’m not convinced the Packers are as good as their record showed last year. They didn’t look good early and then were lucky to play bad and injured teams the second half of the year.
Why would I plan going forward they ‘won’t be good.’ Good way to get caught short.
And whether I like the Packers or not, they have been well run, well coached – and seem to have a sensational record picking QB’s.
Don’t plan on em being bad. More of a, if you want to win a SB you have to be the best and who cares if the teams you’re competing with are in division or not. Once you get to the playoffs, division doesn’t matter. Just be the best and make everybody else worry about you.
WC is not the way to get to the SB – need to win the Division.
And from a practical stand point – if you’re not the best team in your division, you’re not much of contender.
Yeah, but if you build the best team in the NFL, then you are the best team in your division. Be the best and make everybody worry about you. They can be good, fine. The Vikings just need to be better and how good the Vikings are is not really affected by how good the other teams in the division are. The Bears for example being good, does not mean the Vikings can’t be great.
Let me know when we have the best team in the NFL.
And we are affected by the Bears if we are not better than them. Or the Lions, or the Packers. We need to be the best in our division . We may or may not be best in nfl, but if we aren’t best in division, you cannot be best in NFL.
Yes, but if you win a crappy division, but aren’t good enough to win the SB, is that really any different or better than having a better team, ending up 2nd in the division by a game and still having a team that could realistically win the SB?
The second part – if you’re second best. in division, maybe better than first in a poor division, but neither is the best.
Nope, so just be one of the best in the league and let the chips fall as they may. If the Vikings are #1 and the Bears are #2 in the NFC, it’s not much different than swapping out the Bears for the 9ers or whoever. Just build a team that’s worthy. You don’t hear the Ravens complaining about the Bengals being good.
and that’s the point – you don’t crap on appointments and you appreciate their abilities. Then strive to beat that.
Don’t forget that finishing with the second best record doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the second best team. Injuries play into it along with the fact that no two teams play the same schedule.
I’ll take second best record in football every single year.
And really don’t think you have to be ‘the best’. The best may be in the other conference and blow a game.
But you need to be playing well last few weeks of season and healthy.
‘if we arenโt best in division, you cannot be best in NFL’
๏ปฟSure because there have ‘only’ been 7 Wild Card teams that won the SB.
Not sure how to take this – 7 out of fifty something?
I didn’t say it was easy.
But that is not the same as ‘cannot be’.
You are correct Sir.
Accidental I assure you.
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”
Mike Tyson
Just know this. If someone said to me (not to mention every GM is the league) you can have any QB in the draft. I’m taking Williams.
And I don’t care if he paints his nails, cries after he loses or whatever.
Glad that we didn’t have that option and so didn’t even have to consider him.
I agree. Theyโve put him into a pretty solid situation for a rookie QB. Gave him another weapon in Odunze. DJ Moore is a stud. Keenan Allen is a solid add imo. Decent stable of RBโs. They need improvement in the OLine and a there are a few holes on defense. I can tell you that my buddy the Bears fan is super excited about the future in Chicago.
that’s why it seems crazy to me to plan/hope/count on Williams being a bust.
If he is as advertised, he will be a thorn in our side for 4-5 years. after that, they will not be able to afford anyone to put around him. He thinks he is worth top dollar now, imagine what he will think he is worth if he is actually good.
My prediction is that Williams will be out of the league within five years.
But then the NFL will lose the Trans Fans, who else will wear the fingernail polish for them.
Good morning Ragnar Rooters!
Great media selection today.
Also great picture! Gotta love Rocky in his prime (before he fell on hard times and gave Tommy Morrison AIDS in a street fight)
Skol!
Howdy Hammer Heaver.
I LIKE IT!
Kirk only has this year and maybe next year to lead a team to a Super Bowl. Otherwise, his only chance is as a veteran backup.
Can he get through either the Lions, Packers or 49ers this season?
Probably not. Then it is off to the announcer’s booth.
I don’t think they will win their division even. They will be fighting with the Rams, Packers or Lions, Eagles or Cowboys, Bucs or Saints and hopefully the Vikings for a wild card.
I think we will get swept by the Packers and Lions this year, which is fine. Higher draft pick and free agency money to build out the team in 2025.
Packers will probably get one of the wild cards. Then Eagles or Rams maybe. If Falcons don’t win their division, they likely won’t get in.
Kirk is going to have to ball!
Double sweep is possible, but funny things happen in division games so I think they will split with at least one of them and probably split with the Bears. You know they are going to play the Bears early in the year, at Soldier, on primetime and make Williams look like a future HOFer.
Yeah, weird things can happen in the regular season. I stopped giving too much weight to good wins and bad loses in the regular season. Good wins and bad losses happen to everyone. The regular season is all about entertainment and hitting a W number to make the playoffs. For example, we beat the 49ers last year.
Okay…it didn’t stop them from making the Super Bowl, and it didn’t help us to make the Super Bowl. It was just a regular season game.
Even when the Vikings suck and Pack are good the Vikings rarely get swept
That division is terrible, Falcons are most likely to win it.
NFCS is a dump zone.
Probably is but i always thought the same for the AFC East for years save for the Pats.
That’s a fact, Jack.
And at this point, I’d rather be the Falcons in their division than us in ours.
I agree the division is garbage, but are the Falcons really better than the Saints and Bucs? I could be convinced they are all about equal but with their schedule this year, the division winner will probably have 8 or 9 wins.
Teams are pretty close in talent, I think Kirk is marginally better than Carr and Mayfield, ergo Falcons most likely take the division
I don’t think Kirk will become an announcer. I believe he will spend his retirement as a full time dad, maybe coach his kids in soccer.
Can you picture him announcing a game? “Oh gosh by golly that was a good play there.”
That also reminds me of something that made me chuckle yesterday. Listening to NFL Radio and Slick Rick was on. He was asked a question about something and he started his response, “no, yeah” and I immediately thought, man, you were in Minnesota too long.
‘Dontchaknow eh’.
Yeah sure, but eh is Canada
Lots of ex-Canadians in in the frozen north.
My time in ND exposed me to lots of them.
My biggest trigger is no, yeah no.
He’ll go to work for Kohls
QOTD:
i would think JJ has a better shot at making a super bowl than Kirk considering if JJ is any good, he has….10-15 years to try vs kirk maybe…3 more years to try?
That’s rational.
And neither team is built for a SB right now. The Vikings offensive weapons are better than the Falcons and at best the defenses are even. I’d lean towards the Vikings there too, but they are both lacking. The additional cap space the Vikings are going to have in 2025 will allow them to buy some pieces on the defense and have a contender next year if JJ works out. As of now, the Vikings are far ahead on the head coach as well since Atlanta’s is new. He could be good, but plenty of young HCs have been in over their head. If he turns out to be one like Staley and others, by the time they or he figures it out, Kirk will be gone.
I see it the same way Bow. The Vikings (at this point) are far ahead of the Falcons because they are going into their third year with the same offense (regardless of QB) and head coach. Their DC is also proven, and we did see some defensive improvements last year. The Falcons on the other hand have a new HC who has not been successful in prior attempts to lead a team, and both a rookie OC and DC. There will be a significant learning curve there, across the board. I still expect Cousins to play well, but I’m not sold on the Falcons being great this year. I think their GM is a moron.
Moran to Packer fans.
All of which makes me wonder why they chose to pay a lot of money to a veteran QB. If they were honest with themselves and realize they are a couple of years away at best, wouldn’t only drafting Penix been the way to go? Especially since they drafted Penix anyway? If Penix turns out to be worth the 8th overall pick, then I think they would have been better suited to playing Penix earlier and keeping the cap space to put more pieces around him in the next couple years. I think what got them has been the total lack of a competent QB since Matty Ice and they overcompensated.
I hope Penis shines in camp and preseason.
I too wish for mass chaos outside of the Vikings.
Yeah, the pundits and media are all about drama. Already saying Cousins will demand a trade, Cousins was betrayed, etc. Stupid people saying stupid things.
That’s not gonna happen, but seeing dysfunction in other teams is entertaining. As long as it isn’t the Vikings. Now Kwesi needs to get that Jets extension done so that doesn’t even have a chance to be a story line. Don’t need him having an ankle issue like TJ.
Honestly, this is one of those double-edged swords. JJ is undoubtedly one of the best players in the NFL at any position. But he’s gonna demand a shit ton of money. KAM is a financial guy. Does he pay JJ or work a trade?
With the projected cap space they have in the future, they pay Jets. If they were going to trade him they would have already so they could draft somebody this year. He’s the face of the franchise right now. You don’t move that guy when you’re trying to get the fan base behind your new QB, which is another reason to keep the best WR in the NFL. Move Jets and then Addison goes down, you’re putting JJ in a situation almost as bad as the Pats are putting Maye into.
Logical,
Pricy though. I think they have a window while JJ (QB) is in his rookie contract.
Sign him to the first contract extension then see what situation you have after 4 or 5 years.
Jets is only like 25 so can reasonably be expected to perform at a high level for a few more years. Give him a 4 year or so deal like you said and then see if you can work out a double JJ contract or possibly move on from Jets at that point.
The other option would be to keep drafting WRs in the mid rounds and if you hit like they did on Diggs again, you trade Jets in 2-3 years.
Hope he doesn’t do the ‘Drama Queen’ thing like Diggs did.
Injuries are the concern. He takes quite the beating when defenses get frustrated when they can’t stop him.
Yeah, I don’t see him going the Diggs route, but he is a WR. He seems a lot more grounded and that should only improve as he gets older unless the QB situation is so bad that he gets frustrated.
Diggs seemed the respectful, grounded young man his first few years.
Liked him and had high hopes for is extended Vikings career.
Hopefully we will have better luck this time around.
Jets seems more concerned with winning than being the center of attention that Diggs did. Plus, Diggs had to deal with a defensive HC I don’t think he liked. The last couple of years he’s been stuck in small market western NY which would have been fine if they made a SB, but they didn’t so he doesn’t get the media attention he wants and no ring to make up for it.
Oh I understand the move to bring Cousins in. They have had three years of losing seasons, and mostly due to a lack of a good QB. The Falcons are instantly better on offense now and I do expect them to be at the very least, competitive for the first time in many years. Also, I do see the logic in bringing Penix in, but they passed on taking both Dallas Turner and Jer’Zhan Newton. Two total impact players that could have helped their defense immensely.
I understand them making both moves individually, but with the length of the contract they gave Kirk, the moves do not make sense together other than over compensation for the failures of the past. Especially like you said they could have drafted an instant impact defensive player. They’ve been lacking a pass rush for longer than they have a QB. I don’t know if they’ve had a double digit sack guy in the last 10 years.
Vic Beasley, 2016.
15.5 sacks
Dang, I wasn’t too far off.
Nope. 8 years – and the reality is ATL hasnโt had a legit pass rush since the days of Patrick Kerney and John Abraham.
Too bad they didn’t have an opportunity to draft a high end Edge Rusher early in this last draft.
Look at you go!
My buddy is a Falcons fan and I knew Beasley had a monster season the year ATL lost the SB to NE.
Yep, totally agree. I understand they think they’re playing chess here with bringing Penix in, but honestly, they had a chance to upgrade their defense after getting a quality starter under center.
Yeah, I really thought Turner would be the pick there but couldn’t be happier he wasn’t.
Yep, that was surprising. They were settled at QB and had a great chance to select an impact player for their D, which would have really helped their playoff run, this year.
It’s rational if you put yourselves in their shoes and their feelings. Been in QB hell for a few years and owner has said that is not going to happen again. At same time, they believe with solid QB play they will win the division. And most of the betting world agrees with this.
They (fans, owners and all ) are thrilled with the idea of winning division and playing in the playoffs. We are different – we are after SB’s. Different place on the food chain.
so they can win the division with Cousins, maybe for two years, and then have Penix ready to go for the long term
Yes, the Falcons front office thinks “they’re set” at the QB position for the next ten years. I always worry about betting the farm on any rookie QB though.
they can treat the situation like Packers did with Love. I’m fine with that.
and seems there’s a local team betting some on a rookie QB working out – name of the game.
Shoot this is like betting on whether it’s going to be raining 68 days from today.
Just from age, you’d have to bet on JJ. But, middle of next season, Purdy goes down and Niners trade for Cousins, and they go to SB.
Lot of water to go under the bridge.
One of the jewelry stores here does a deal every year for Christmas that any jewelry purchased for the month or two leading up to it will be heavily refunded if something like 3 inches of snow falls on Christmas day.
Where’s that store at. always buy wife something at Christmas, might as well have a small shot at a discount.
Billings. I think it’s this one, but I could be wrong
https://goldsmithgalleryjewelers.com/
I looked at their Facebook page and last year it was if it snowed 2 inches on Christmas day, everybody who purchased jewelry from December 1-24 was in a drawing for a new Mercedes and a bunch of free jewelry. I think in the past it’s been you get like 50% off your purchase if it snows 2 inches.
Hell I’m not crazy about Mercedes but I’d take one if given to me.
That was pretty much my point, does Kirk have a better chance in the next 3-4 years to win one, or JJ over the next 10 or so.
Ya know, the Trump “hush money” trial is really puzzling. The prosecution is twisting up an “affair” with all sorts of salacious commentary from their witnesses in an effort to prove Trump falsified business records related to alleged hush money payments, and he did so in furtherance of another crime โ conspiracy to promote or prevent election, which would be a felony.
However, on their own, falsifying business records and conspiracy to promote or prevent election are misdemeanor charges. Not sure how by combining two misdemeanors, you somehow get a felony.
And neither does most of the ‘real legal establishment’ in this country.
You forgot the third ingredient, be a republican
Oh and remember, Trump is a threat to democracy so no bridge is too far.
From now to November everything is politically motivated. 1 party system by the Dums to create socialism.
pffftttt hahahaha. You guys are so damn funny sometimes when you drive into Victimville. White Republican Millionaires have it so rough in this country, damn they just can’t catch a break. I forgot all or most Republican’s are being prosecuted right simply because they are Republican… or is that just some unsubstantiated victim mentality comment? Trump is a shady fucking character he is. That’d be like Biden on trial and saying it’s because he’s a dem, what a joke that would be too. He’s as crooked as anyone, but I assume if he ever was on Trial it might be the funniest shit ever because they might claim he’s not mentally fit enough to stand trial lol.
Actually Edge, conservatives are being massively attacked daily by the media and of course the Democrats. The amount of misinformation being presented is staggering to say the least. You can pretend it isn’t so, and proclaim it all you want, but it’s you that is falling for the lies of left.
I’m only falling for the truth instead of being victim. Both sides are very guilty of media spin. I would agree network news is more attacking and biased to the left absolutely, but they learned how to do this from Fox in the 2000s… I am sure you were really upset about Fox doing it back then right? I bet not. That’s what makes me laugh. 99% of people who say they hate what’s happening in the media only hate that their side is losing in the war not the tactics themselves. The Pubs only have themselves to blame that the tactics made famous by their own side that they supported is now being used against them. That is partly why I don’t buy into the victim mentality BOTH sides have. You ask a Dem it’s their side being attacked all the time. Both victim mentalities are gross to me.
Hardly.
There has been an unwritten rule in politics for years – former presidents are pretty off grounds. Imagine if the IRS ever looked at the books of the Clinton Foundation?
Now I don’t believe any one is above the law. But if you are going to go after a former President, it needs to be really solid – murder or stealing a billion dollars or something. Hardly some. ‘novel twist’ of the law or the RICO Laws in Georgia. This crap should not even be applied against any “ordinary” citizen let alone a former politician.
And yes, if the Republicans did. tis to a former Democrat President I would be equally outraged.
They might claim he’s not mentally fit? Already done. Not fit to stand trial (or leave the house without a diaper on), but fit enough to hold the nuclear codes.
That was my point, I was making fun of Biden. I am saying it would be very sad/funny (in a way) to have the guy the DNC hoists up as their champion then be found to be mentally unfit to stand trial.
I’ve got to ask… why the Rocky pic? I mean, love the film but just curious.
How much more American can you get than that picture?
I should have made hearts on fire the media selection
LOVE IT! Also love for asking a question I get a thumbs down, it was you wasn’t it Ben? I was just hoping there was some story behind it I wasn’t understanding.
LOL, not me, I just happened to have been watching Rocky when I was posting the thread and that pic came to mind.
I think some people just enjoy giving thumbs down.
Probably just Freeze handing out street cred.
Come on freezey, give me a thumbs down. I dare you.
I’l help.
Freezy wouldn’t do that, he’s a stand up guy. Not to mention an excellent battery changer.
‘Merica, that’s why
i’ve got to ask…WHY NOT the rocky pic?!?!!?
I have no issues with it, I love Rocky why do you all assume it I was having issue with it. I was just hoping there was something I missed.
It is both options. You are obviously missing something but there is nothing there.
It’s Skoloholics. We like controversy.
They are looking very good, hope they can keep it going!
Wolves hunt in packs. Go D!
Probably get blown out because you posted this.
I know ben. I should shut my mouth more often. We got some tuf D, big men. Pound Jokeit to the floor and Murray too.
Murray is a strait up bitch. The wolves D is impressively smothering.
I have my broom ready.
#nojinx
Looking forward to rookie camp. I expect a couple videos showing the new guys doing something useful.
The anticipation for the preseason is building. I am looking forward to seeing how long it takes for JJ to be considered “NFL Ready” and what that means for KoC.
Still thinking Thanksgiving before he starts. And, while expectations are tempered with the changes at QB, the defense has added enough talent to make things rough for opponents.
I still see a Wildcard as a possibility this season.
I agree we still could have a good enough season to get into the playoffs. The rookie hype train will definitely continue to build up steam over the next 4 months. We’ll see plenty of video’s of JJ and Dallas, (usually in slow motion) highlighting their immense talent. I do hope they become great NFL players for us, and have long careers. That said, they have a lot to learn.
as opposed to the “hype train” of the shitbag vet who has sucked ass every time he’s been on the field and is overrated, overvalued, and only still in the league because someone was stupid enough to draft him 3rd overall
Who you talking about – Lance or Fields maybe?
The “great” sam darnold. Fields was drafted 11th so obviously not him, could say the same about Lance, but he’s not the presumptive starting QB for any NFL team
SDS?????
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IDK what that means, but at the moment he is the presumptive starter for the Vikings and has amassed a career that amounts to ass and not the good kind.
Sam Derangement Syndrome
He is the starter. He probably will see ghosts and struggle, only to give way to JJ.
I will give him a chance before I have even see a couple of games with the Vikings.
LOL, he sucks
Since he’s probably going to be our starting QB why shit on him?
Because he sucks, I don’t discriminate.
True – you generally say they all suck.
But since I’m happy today, all my kids are coming to town, I’m thinking the ‘great Sam’ is going to have an all Pro season.
I don’t say they all suck, only the ones I see suck based on their performance.
Well I think the team has to present Darnold as a competent starter, even though to date he’s not been. I hold out hope he does indeed, play competently for the Vikings. I agree with you though, that he likely won’t.
If that’s the case – ‘present’- why bring him in at 10 mil. Just play Mullens until JJ is ready and then put him in.
With Cousins moving on, the team had to bring in a vet with at least some level of credibility to sell to the fans. Paying Darnold $10M solidified the messaging that the team was bringing in a competent starter. Got to sell tickets, and promote the team as competitive.
Messaging is nice, winning football games is better – as I’m sure you know.
And as you know, at the beginning of the season Mullens may well be the only QB on the team capable of running ‘our offense.”
Yep, I would not be surprised to see Mullens as the game 1 starter. He has been in the system for 2 years.
“There’s gonna be a huge loss,” Phillips said on “NFL Total Access” Wednesday. “Kirk Cousins as a person, as a leader, as a teammate, that’s a big void in your locker room. One of the most humble guys that I’ve ever been around. Servant leader, just a great motivator. He’s great. To ask one person to fill that void is probably not probable.”
Mullens knows the offense, but he’s no Kirk Cousins. The fact is, there’s no one currently on the team who is capable of replacing Cousins’ talent and leadership. We can only hope they make up for his loss with the defense and running game, and the emergence of a bunch of new leaders.
You guys highjacket my thought. and based on my professional life, I am a huge believer in the value of leadership.
but at the present, given the sophisicatioin of our offense, experience is going to be important.
That’s just rhetoric and hype. They said all that about Dak Prescott too.
Same with Justin Fields, Johnny Manzel, etc.
Phillips’ comment was about leadership qualities which nobody has questioned from Kirk and none of JJ’s coaches or teammates have said anything about him being anything less than an exemplary leader who guys want to go to battle for. Losing a long term veteran presence is always a big change, but it happens every year in the NFL on every team. When Harry finally retires, it will be the same thing on the defensive side of the ball.
I know you truly believe a college career and exploits translate to success in the NFL. They do not.
This is simply about JJ as a person and the fact that everybody he has ever been around say he is a great dude and a natural leader. You’re projecting and assuming things again that have not been said. based on everything said about him by coaches and teammates, he will naturally step into the leadership role just fine. We’ll see about the physical output on the field.
I have also heard plenty of good things about Darnold’s personality and leadership traits. One of his former teammates was on the radio yesterday morning and couldn’t say enough good things about Sam as a person and leader. They will be fine there. Not to mention the kumbaya hot yoga sessions to build team chemistry.
I think we’re all hoping that both Darnold and JJ end up being wise choices.
Also, if you don’t get the QB you wanted in the draft, you would be looking at possibly two years of Mullens running the show. Darnold was a safety net from the minute they signed him.
Yep, this. Exactly this. Plus, 10 mill is a pretty cheap backup contract these days and I would have been happy with that even if they were set at QB. Something around 65 QBs have started a game each of the last 2 seasons. That’s starts, not seen the field. You have to have a good backup plan. You want a guy that you feel confident can come in for 4 games and win at least 2.
Except – was JJ really ‘ the QB they wanted in the draft’?
Maye was probably choice 1 (mostly because of McCown). I think JJ was 2 and they would have been happy with Penix. I think Maye is going to be a major bust. I wasn’t overly sold on him to the Vikings, but the total crap show he is walking into in NE is going to be tough to overcome.
No doubt Maye is going to be in a tough spot.
After Williams, I was OK with any of the rest so it really didn’t matter regardless of choice.
KAM/KOC said they loved certain players, and loved other players at certain spots. Based on what they did in the draft, they loved JJ at around 10, most likely loved a different QB earlier but are happy with JJ.
True. Was merely responding to the comment posted. I’m OK with any of them.
Darnold has never proven to be competent, otherwise he wouldn’t have lost his job multiple times.
I agree, but Darnold (like Wentz) seems to be a guy folks think can succeed, in the right situation, with the right coach, in the right scheme, etc.
The only person left in the world that thinks Wentz could succeed is GF.
LOL
Laughing… could be.
Yeah, for whatever reason guys drafted top 3 keep getting opportunities simply because they were drafted top 3, regardless of how they actually play.
GM!
FTP!
SKOL!
QotD. Kirko will never see a superbowl except as a paying customer.
TGIFF!!
I friggin love the Rabbids.
Good morning, SKOL!
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