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Vikings Discussion & Random Thoughts
I know it’s Thursday, but I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of days. A billion thanks to Surly for covering….again.
Vikings vs. Bears
I would think that most Vikings fans are satisfied with the results of the Monday Night Football game against the Bears. It’s not easy to get a win in Chicago, regardless of how good the Bears happen to be when you play there. The offense was sluggish through the first three quarters, but the defense kept the game within reach, and the offense took over in the fourth quarter and put the game away. Kevin O’Connell called an amazing game, made the right adjustments, and helped the team turn the game around. Brian Flores had the defense firing on all 8 for most of the game and they got stops when the offense needed them in order to complete the comeback. The Bears are a better team than they were last year.
J.J. McCarthy
J.J. McCarthy proved a ton on Monday. He faced adversity as the offense failed to produce much of anything, and instead of crumbling after throwing a pick-six, that is when he rebounded and led the offense down the field for three touchdown drives in the fourth quarter. It showed tremendous grit and the ability to bounce back after struggling early. I love how McCarthy moved within the pocket, always moving up in the pocket and seeming to sense the pressure before it arrived, and decisive when making the decision to pull it and run. The TD throw to Jefferson in the end zone was an almost perfect throw in a very tight and fast-moving window. McCarthy shifted slightly to the right, avoided the penetration by the defense, and delivered a strike. He shifted before the pressure arrived, seeming to sense it developing, very impressive.
Vikings Backfield
The running back duo of Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason is lethal, this is the best backfield this team has had since the days of Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. I love how Mason runs the ball, getting the tough yards and always getting an extra yard or two at the end of every run. Jones is still a gifted ball carrier, and is a threat to go long any time he touches the ball. They didn’t dominate the game, but the Bears defense is a pretty good defense.
Vikings O-Line
The revamped offensive line didn’t look very formidable during the first couple quarters, the Bears were able to apply a lot of pressure, and there few running lanes for the running backs. They got it figured out, and eventually set the tone for the offense, as it always starts in the trenches. Donovan Jackson is the real deal, and the new additions from Indianapolis both looked good, especially later in the game.
Other Notable Performances
Some other guys who stood out on Monday are Erik Wilson and Miles Price. Wilson came in after Cashman went out with an injury, Wilson came in and racked up 3 solo tackles, including a huge stop to force fourth down, and added a blocked punt. Price was a monster in the return game all night, he looks like a solid addition. Price finished with 4 punt returns for 68 yards, an average of 17 yds/return, and 2 kick returns for 49 yards, and average of 24.5 yds/return, per ESPN. Hargrave got two sacks and Jonathan Allen disrupted the backfield and helped the Vikings keep the Bears running game mostly in check. With the exception of the first drive, the defense was stout.
Knee-Jerk Thoughts From Around the NFL
- The Bears are an improved team
- The Lions are NOT an improved team, losing their coordinators hurt them a lot
- I don’t think the Packers looked that tough
- The Chiefs are not as strong as they were
- The Ravens and Bills are both still very good teams
- The Steelers are much better with Aaron Rodgers
- The Broncos defense is stout, their offense is not
- The Vikings made the right move in going from Sam Darnold to J.J. McCarthy
Vikings and NFL News
From Vikings.com, the initial Vikings vs. Falcons injury report. Also, J.J. McCarthy was named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week.
Stats from the Vikings-Bears Monday Night Football game, courtesy of ESPN.
The 49ers injury luck from last year seems to be carrying over into 2025, Brock Purdy is a long-shot to play next Sunday against the Saints, per NFL.com. George Kittle suffered a hamstring injury on Sunday and will be out for at least a few weeks, per PFN. Luckily, their next game is against the Saints and the 49ers can likely win without the two star players.
Media Selection
Some interesting commentary here. I agree, anytime they try to shout down conversation, they’re hiding something.
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Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
Happy Thorsday 2.0
The Packers might actually be good this year. That sucks.
FTP!
What a boring game, why am I watching? I could be watching a documentary on a conspiracy theory, FFS.
Hey, our first fishing trip to Red is second weekend of December. I think we have full shacks, but you have a place to stay and can join us
Did Al Michaels just say fucking Broncos?
Thursday night football after dark
My dumb ass accidentally kept the Redskins D this week in FF. I meant to pick up the Cardinals defense going against the Panthers. I didn’t make the change in time. The Redskins defense has one point right now, they’ll be lucky to keep that.
Yuck. I made the mistake of keeping Ekeler in my lineup. What a waste.
Yup, I need to find a way to get Pittman into my lineup, I have too many good wide receivers right now. I should trade for a better running back.
I have Jammer Gibbs, but that offense is impotent right now.
Oh shit, Ekeler is down, that looks season-ending.
I should trade him before the other owners wake up and see the news…..
Early bird gets the worm
Jordan Love isn’t that great.
Crazy prediction: the Bears will challenge the Lions, might even win. Bears and Lions might both finish below .500.
Is it just me, or is Jayden Daniels an introvert? The guy doesn’t interact with his team at all. Not a leader, not a motivator.
He does seem aloof.
Redskins scored a TD. Shocked.
They only need 2 more.
NFL doesn’t like blowouts
They don’t think it’s fractured, but we’ll know more tomorrow. They said he’ll need to take a week or two off of football.
What would it be if not fractured with no swelling?
He thinks it possibly dislocated and then went back into place. He also thinks that the radiologist might find a fracture that he didn’t find, that’s what happened with my ankle, same doc. Good doc, though, one of the good guys.
Very very minor fractures are hard to see on XRays, just ask MT. But a trauma like a dislocation and subsequent approximation definitely can present like this (pain and swelling)
They told us to keep him off the field for a couple weeks.
Unless they call us back and tell us it’s fractured, then it’ll be a longer rest period.
That’s a good idea. Ice the area 20 minutes at a time 3x/day, protect from movement and strain for a week and see how it goes. If they find a fracture, follow their instructions.
Yup, 10 years old, not risking anything. I honestly hope he picks flag football for a couple years. He’s really good at football, and I want him to have fun & excel, but there’s so much more risk for injury when they’re this young.
I help coach, really try to help them prevent injury, but it’s a violent sport. It’s still risky, especially at this age. Neurologists mostly recommend waiting until the age of at least 13 before contact football.
Every packer receiver is wide open every play. Washington defense is bad.
Michael Parsons is lining up offsides on every play.
Best thing Bernie ever did in his whole life:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02sxzeVsPUwx22DciQWDYdzNZ34YdeqFhLeFrgp6Rm7KAFuuZ5jRUbAeTRpbXdpxbl&id=100044564583792
Virtue Signalling.
Although of all the Left/Woke Pols he might be the one that actually means what he is saying.
Makes a big leap to claim that political violence is from both sides.
The last 10 years, it’s been from one side.
So far, so bad…
Skins struggling to move the ball. Defense is going to get tired quick.
Wash is doing pretty much nothing on O. Kind of like us on Monday.
Can’t see the game, it FTP Def good or Redskins O bad?
GB D line is kicking the Redskins O-line’s ass…
Like the Bores D line was kicking our O lines ass in the first half?
Hope that they get it together like our finally did.
I can’t stand Warshington, but fuck the Packers even more.
Taking kiddo in for X-rays, hurt his wrist getting tackled at football practice tonight.
Hope it is just a sprain or some such.
There’s no swelling, which has me concerned. I think it’s fractured, but I’m no doctor. Still waiting in this goddamn emergency room.
Hoping it’s nothing significant GF. Emergency rooms suck sometimes.
Typically would be immediate swelling if fractured. Trust me on this. I’m back to work finally on Monday after 6 weeks off with a hand fracture from dumping my cycle.
Fingers crossed for kiddo
It turned red immediately, and not where the impact was.
I have a picture, I’ll share it when I get my lazy ass out of the hot tub
A picture of the x-ray
Some scuttlebutt out there that the 4CHAN people have ID’ed the shooter. Quite possible. Once those folks get their teeth into something, they are relentless. They can find stuff based on constellations and jet contrails without much trouble.
Who/what is 4CHAN?
It’s a chat board on the dark web.
Oh,
Completely reliable then.
More reliable than the legacy media
If it is going to be like every single NFL game I have seen this year then there will lots of back and forth and drama tonight.
Can’t tackle a QB…
Crap
Come on Skins… You can’t let them out of a hole like that!
Calls are not going Pukers way tonight.
Go Redskins!
Destroy the puke please !!!!!!
Sometimes out of frustration or even the helplines we can’t do. something about an event we lash out
Does it really matter if Kirk was wearing a vest, or what type?
Does it matter if the shooter was a good shot or not?
Does it matter if he was a so called professional or not?
Charlie Kirk was a. fine American and he is dead and the answer to the three preceding questions matters little.
Saying or insinuating this was something bigger than a whack job is detrimental. Trying to make it sound bigger than it was and creating conspiracy theories absolutely changes the focus. It was somebody with a mental health issue of one kind or another. That is the enemy, not some mysterious deep state, or the CIA, or whatever other crap is already getting spread. Trying to say this had to be a professional absolutely redirects the conversation where it doesn’t need to go. A great human being was taken because somebody disagreed with him and the country has been told that words are violence so violence in response to words you don’t like is acceptable. That is what needs to stop. Disagree civilly, as Mr. Kirk tried to do, but you don’t get to kill somebody because they disagree with you and their voice is too big.
I agree with most of what you say here. Especially about disagree civilly
But you and NLV might head that last sentence. Two guys I like, who both are good Americans and think this is a despicable act, hurling personal shots at each other.
I will take it personal any time anybody calls me a liar, unqualified or incompetent and he loves doing that to everybody to make him feel better about himself and he does it every time he disagrees with somebody and they have facts to back their argument. If others want to accept it as the ramblings of an old man, that’s fine, but I won’t.
Perhaps some times, on very special days, we rise above petty differences. And this might just be such a day.
Now you may disagree – obviously by your actions – and that’s your right, so let’s forget the disagree civilly bologna.
As an aside, is he an old man? Are you a young man? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Talk about an A 1 cheap shot!
Right,
Keep being civil and respectful while the Woke Left keeps killing people.
Good Plan.
Yeah, I’m not putting anything in writing other than that.
Here to a happy healthy birth and a happy confident Dad getting another W on Sunday
I hope they pick a decent name for their child.
Maybe Thor for a boy?
Astrid or Freya for a girl?
Thor would not be a bad choice….
Kevin, Justin, Adam?
“Oofda” would be a great name. First or middle…
Or even last.
…hopefully with JJ’s fiance’s hand in one hand and the gameplan for Sunday night in the other.
He has her reading plays to him between contractions.
Crap, he’ll be out a few months on paternity leave.
This isn’t Kirko.
Uh oh, a major distraction = DOOM!
What kind of punishment is there to carry w/o a CCP?
Given the new world….
There is no punishment unless you are found out.
Just live in a non-lib state that allows constitutional carry.
That or open carry may be legal, but I don’t know all the states rules on that one.
Depends on the state. If one can legally own a firearm in several states one can legally CC. Montana is one of those states.
Zero Punishment in Idaho since it is open carry here and so no CCP required.
Ive stayed in Minny cuz of access to hunting/fishing/Canada. fter that it’s full of blood sucking liberals.
North Dakota has hunting/fishing/Canada….and liberals are frowned upon.
Idaho has hunting/fishing/Canada… and bonus, no liberals.
Montana is horrible. No hunting or fishing and animals everywhere that want to kill you. Definitely avoid Montana at all costs. Don’t even visit.
Nice try
For now… 😈
Wonderful prayer. But don’t people have to actually believe in the Lord. It seems some are actually working very hard to take the Lord away from us.
Regardless, the prayer is a wonderful thought.
Christian Conservaties pray while the Woke Left attack.
Injury Report #1. Mix of good and bad
Also, Vikes placed Cashman and Chandler on IR.
Geez, one damn game. I know the thinking on camp but i wonder what shape some of the starters are in.
Eh, Vikes are extra precautious and they played on that rug on concrete they call Soldier Field, im willing to bet everyone but Smith and the IR crew will play.
i think the concussion guys will play, at least gink. he played the whole game. there wasn’t one specific moment where he wobbled off the field and was done for the day. he was in the post game speech by KOC. if he was really bad off, he wouldn’t be listening to KOC, standing there, looking completely fine. he’s good.
If Kelly is out im worried. But, waiting to be worried, still got 3 days
Is that a Purdy turf toe? Who’s the backup? Just hoping not to see #67 again.
someone said this earlier or on the DN but Kelly and Oliver are probably “vets dinged up and got the day off” DNP’s, and i think so too
I like that answer so I will choose to accept it as fact lol
i did too, which is why i am repeating it as fact and believing it
the silver lining IF the Gink is out…
Turner gets double the snaps he normally gets. then we can really see what we have in him. and either it’s going to be good, bad or eh. or meh. or huh. or wow. or blech. or sweet. or hmm.
Definitely his opportunity to poop or get off the pot.
This is remarkable… if true…
I actually tried confirming that earlier, but it appears it is possible still grain-of-salt news.
I agree, which is why I caveated with “if true”. Can’t currently find any confirmation, or validation of the story.
This guy is truly a remarkable young man.
This is most probably social media bullshit for clicks.
Reason #27 I am glad to no longer be on Facebook or any social media site other than sports related.
Also, Kirk had money, and I am sure he had life insurance. Family is devastated, but taken care of.
Yeah, not true….and although Kirk’s family needs our prayers and sympathy, they do not need our money. Kirk was a wealthy man.
All the comments are saying this isn’t true and the same story is being published with other people.
I hope it’s true.
It likely isn’t though.
Its AI and being shared around. Its not true. Social media is a cancer.
Charlie was pretty smart, guessing he knew of the inherent dangers and acted accordingly.
I may get in trouble for posting more religious items, but I feel the need for it today.
Somber day,
9/11
C. Kirk
Now i read Tampon thinks he’ll run for a 3rd term. If that clown gets in i’m declaring Minny the dumbest state in the country.
Well the great people of Illinois elected that grandstanding lardass as governor..
True, getting hard to count them all.
Hey Brad, not sure if you are still on here or not but seeing as you are also a Bismarck resident, I would recommend never spending another dime at Brick Oven Bakery. Their owner was sharing posts celebrating the Kirk Assassinations yesterday. She’s since deleted them but screen shots were taken and the damage is done. They are deleting/blocking comments on all of the businesses posts now. And they are at the annual street fair this weekend, I don’t think that’s going to go well for them.
This is good to know. I think my wife sometimes picks stuff up from there…no more.
Its sad, their food and baked goods were VERY good, and the place had a cool atmosphere. But, im not supporting a shitty human who supports that kind of thing. All for the sake of being “LGBTQ tolerant” , mental illness is rampant.
Stocks are up today
Just checking the temp, Who’s got FTP for tonight’s game? I have them in the pickem but I am hoping I lose those points.
yeah, I purposefully picked them with a lower point assignment than they likely deserve cause I want them to lose.
Pukers.
Not sure the Skins can get past the refs.
Don’t forget the refs are now in the Vikings pocket, so by not helping the Packers, they help the Vikings.
Maybe this is the year the NFL has scripted for the Vikes to win a superbowl.
I took Washington but not in high confidence. It’s a coin flip game to me.
I picked FTP, with 3 confidence points.
GO REDSKINS!!!
A Packers loss would make a shitty day a little better
Welp there goes the respect I had for him. I liked him when he was on GMFB. Maybe he should have stuck to that.
Same. He was great on GMFB.
That job requires a pre-conceived notion that conservatives are the enemy.
What an effing clown. He knows what he is saying.
I will not watch that loser ever again on anything.
Classless jackasses. This shouldn’t happen but……….. and then both sides are to blame.
Yep.
Obama and Biden…..”Violence is wrong…blah blah blah….”
But calling every R a nazi is fine.
“I bring a gun to a knife fight”…Obama.
A bunch of putrid scum liars they are.
‘What you do yells so loud I cannot hear a word you say’.
The virtue signal with their words and then go about business as usual. I cannot find a single Woke/Lib that can be trusted.
They all have lots and lots of ‘Priors’.
Believe the left actually welcomes (won’t admit it) situations like this as it serves to further erode people’s confidence in government, Thus we can tear it down and rebuild it “as we (they) deem appropriate.
Sadly yes, the powers that be have always wanted us as separated as possible, I dont think this country ever has been as divided as we have been the past 5 years.
I dunno. 1860’s this area was pretty divided.
Lol thats a fair point, I think we are boarder line on another Civil War path. It just might not be fought on actual battle fields, but online and in metro streets.
And your’s is a far point. Not on battlefields but more clandesant (sp) in alleys or in the subways.
Yes the two sides are more intertwined today, than the times leading up to the Civil War.
I do not think there will be another civil war.
The government already won. They have the tech and weapons to put down any resistance. Things like the 1980s “Red Dawn” are just fantasy.
So now we have to hope our owners are benevolent.
As for left/right drama, that is just a distraction. Bread and circus. Keep the people from seeing what is going on.
Now, give me a beer and let me watch the game tonight.
Ah, you’ve gone full Cypher from the Matrix I see lol
Honestly, that is pretty accurate.
I used to think I could positively impact the world.
Now I just try to survive it each day.
I think you’ve positively impacted the world. I am not privy to your personal life or family but im sure you made a mother and father proud, helped another human being in their time of need, maybe raised a child or two, or set an example for one that wasn’t yours. Thats more then a lot of people do, and that goes a long way even if you dont see it reflected right away.
And you are a welcome member of us shit heads here which is good, we’re all surviving it together. Iv been depressed since yesterday too but, there still things to look forward to.
And you are a welcome member of us shit heads
Thanks. I am firmly burying my head in the sand tonight. Gummies or booze and football. It has been a depressing two days.
Gummies and football with a Packers L would be a good way to treat it, maybe door dash some wings or something. Maximum lazy.
Perhaps not a civil war in conventional terms. But if our society should turn from capitalism to socialism with no freedom or speech or religion and the government in complete control of all aspects of life that would be ……… called it what you want.
Red Dawn was about fighting a foreign invader/occupier not a Civil War. Just FYI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn
Oh, I understand the movie. I am just stating that a bunch of local teenagers with hunting rifles are not competing with modern military. At all. Foreign or domestic.
Armed drones by our government would take out any resistance.
Yup.
Democrats, killing political opponates since Apr 15th. 1865.
RIP Abe Lincoln.
No matter how hard you hate the left wing or main stream media….it is not enough.
TDS Alert!
Yup, they got to him too.
So, in order to stay safe from the tolerant left we need to forgo our right to free speech? Seems odd from a group that cries the right is killing democracy.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” – Benjamin Franklyn
His wardrobe disqualified him from being taken seriously a long time ago.
I like Nate as an entertainer. He was very good on GMF.
But I have not watched CBS news, nor will I.
I have no interest in being told what to think. Network news is useless.
We will never willingly be told the truth.
My wife asked me today if there was an unbiased news source she could go to for news (especially with the Charlie Kirk thing), and I simply said, “No.”
Completely accurate. Everybody has a bias.
NewsMax??
This isn’t a joke: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
The Japanese culture drives news to be presented factually. It’s a bit left for their opinion pieces. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nhk-world/
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250911_05/
He doesn’t look like a professional hit man to me…but everything about this smells like a directed hit.
Nah, it would be pretty easy to pull off actually. It’s not like you have to avoid Secret Service at an even like that.
That is not the shooter… at all.
Do you think that guy is just a random patsy who’ll get framed for the shooting?
There will be red herrings to muddy the waters. It’s standard practice in the business. This was planned and executed well.
Yeah, totally baseless accusation of a government conspiracy makes much more sense than the obvious.
I never said anything about the Government.
It was the deep state. Oooh, ooooh, I think it was the lizard people.
I think you have some serious issues Bow…. mostly associated with taking me on. That’s a pretty sad state of affairs.
No, I have issues with somebody calling me a liar or wrong on something I actually understand pretty well and instead of realizing that, they use irrelevant crap to come up with a reason that what I said doesn’t matter because they can’t admit that maybe, just maybe, they might be wrong.
You have issues Bow… that is all.
Yeah, I don’t like stupid people. That is all.
Then you should LOVE me…
The only part of this photo that has me curious is where is the rifle? He had to have carried it in and out if they found it across the street.
He is wearing a backpack.
Question for you gun owners and experts.
I have never owned a gun, let alone fired a gun.
How hard is it to shoot a person 200 yards away from an elevated position?
I assume that if I tried it, I would miss the target by a lot.
‘Practice makes perfect’.
The theories and techniques are not complicated or difficult. The more practice you get the better you will do.
Got it.
Someone with enough practice can make that shot pretty easily. Clear line of sight. Not rushed. If they’ve practiced at that range and understand breathing while shooting I think it’s pretty doable.
Definitely not an expert by any means though.
So a hitman wouldn’t be necessary to pull it off.
I’m thinking conspiracy….
Not at all. Your average deer hunter could likely make that shot pretty easily – assuming it’s in the 200 yd range as reported, clear line of sight, not rushed.
Wouldn’t need to be Carlos Hathcock to make that shot.
Side note, read a book on Carlos in high school, guy was a hell of a man and had an amazing God given talent to be deadly.
The Fat Electrician’s video on him is pretty good.
Yes! He basically sums up the book in that. It was a fun read to kill time when I was caught up on work in some classes.
Likely read the same book. Guy was a legend. Incredible what he’d will himself to do.
200 yds not a great distance. Guessing shooter had a idea of the range and sighted accordingly. Reduces elevation factor.
Breath control and not jerking the trigger are important. But with those and practice I suspect we could all make the shot, maybe not one shot though. Might be some luck as well.
Been a while but it is a whole lot easier when your can lay the rifle on a solid object as a rest – window frame or laying down and your elbows on solid ground – versus standing up just holding the rifle.
Absolutely. Assuming he was prone, elevated. Be damn hard to make just free standing from that distance – likely impossible without solid shooting frame.
Honestly, I could probably sit you down at the range and with a scope, you could hit a chest sized target at least 2 out of 3 times with your first 3 shots. At 200 yards, I can shoot a 1 inch group, easily. We used to put old casings up at 200 yards and shoot them. When that got boring, I put a thumb tack up and it took me 2 shots to hit it.
With a modern rifle and optics 200 yards might as well be 10 to anyone whose touched a gun before imo. I keep my .30-06 at 250 for deer season.
Aaaaaand this^^
this is exactly what my retired army guy with special forces training says….
I told him it must have been a trained sniper.
He said bullshit – with a modern rifle/scope he could teach anyone to hit that shot consistently in less than an afternoon on the range.
It depends on the setup. If the rifle already has good optics and is sighted in to that exact range already, and there is minimal cross wind with a clear line of sight, all you would have to do is put the crosshairs on target and manage to stay relaxed enough to hold on target and squeeze the trigger. Its shocking how easy it is if your setup is done properly. Now knowing how to sight that in etc. etc. is what takes time and knowledge to learn.
Not hard with a high powered rifle with a decent scope. I am no expert, and not good at non-video game shooting, but I could hit a small target at 200 yards with a 30-06 Remington bolt action that was used for deer hunting as a teenager.
So, an expert shooter would have no issues with that shot.
This^^
There are plenty of folks who could “pull off” that shot, except for this. The exact target zone is about 3 inches wide at 200 yards. Yeah, not a lot of folks can pull that off in a crowd of people. The awning Kirk was under, took a head shot away, and he wore a bulletproof vest under his shirt. The only target zone available was the neck. The round actually ricocheted off the top of his vest into his neck BTW. This was someone accustomed to shooting at a small target from distance, and not bothered by all the surroundings. It wasn’t some guy who can hit a deer from 200 yards. It was a guy who could hit a 3 inch target from 200 yards with a single shot.
Wow – that is quite informative.
I didn’t know he had a vest on, that changes a lot. That is a very hard one and done shot indeed.
Depends on the vest. My guess is he was wearing a vest similar to a typical law enforcement vest so the vest wouldn’t matter. Unless you’re wearing a military level vest with ceramic plates, they aren’t rated for rifle rounds. I think the shooter just aimed center mass and missed high because he didn’t account for 100 foot drop (or so, guessing from Google Earth).
You guess a lot…
If he was wearing a vest with plates rated for a rifle round, you would see it under his shirt. I’ve worn a normal vest, a lot. That is not a guess. Nobody shoots for the neck. It was either a head shot missed (unlikely) or a high center mass shot. It would be very likely without a range finder that an untrained or poorly trained shooter would overestimate the range and hold high.
I’m guessing on the elevation drop, but not by much. It’s close to 100 feet from the top of the roof to the bottom of the depression where the tent was set up.
Again, nothing you state is fact driven. Again and as usual you push anecdotal crap as your “evidence”. I have worn everything from level II to level IV body armor. You have worn a “normal” vest? A lot? Then why didn’t you describe the vest correctly?
Just stop acting the part here Bow. Please. You’re knowledgeable and you can figure out how to measure stuff on google earth. You have never in your life killed a man.
I’m not guessing on shit or acting. It’s pretty easy to look at the pictures they have released and do some easy measurements. That’s called simple electronic forensics. That’s not any kind of act. I don’t have to have killed a person to read a tape measure or do simple math.
And no, I didn’t refer to what level vest blah, blah, blah, because most people don’t understand that so I was talking like a normal human. Doesn’t have to be institutional jargon to be true.
Im aware of what level body armor exists, if he was wearing one with plate carriers it would have shown through his white polo more id imagine. Again, just my uneducated opinion.
That’s all I was saying but apparently not going to war doesn’t make me capable of simple thoughts and high level forensic analysis. Even if I were to have training and experience in forensics, it would all be null because I haven’t killed anybody.
Its possible. Im going to wait on more details from the few places I trust before making concrete conclusions. What a mess.
This was my original thought.
Seems like a pretty small target with a lot of practice and expertise needed.
But I know nothing, so that’s why I asked.
Yeah, and of course there are a lot of folks that are guessing it was an “easy” shot. I think it was more difficult than they do. I think the shooter was an exceptionally well practiced trigger puller.
Clear shot, 140 yards. My 8 year old could make that shot.
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Since you have no way of including all the people between your eight year old, the movements of the target, and of course the covering of the awning, forgive me if I don’t consider your position all that credible. Your eight year couldn’t hit a moving 3 inch target from a hundred yards Bow.
He didn’t hit a 3 inch target. He hit the edge of an 18 inch target that was seated on a stage, from a prone position and the elevation takes most if not all of the crowd out of the line of sight.
Let me get this straight, you think Charlie Kirk has an 18 inch tall neck… you need to stop now Bow, because when you’re in a hole, you need to stop shoveling.
No, I’m saying your premise that his neck was the target is most likely inaccurate. That may be where he was hit, but that doesn’t make it the target. Was Trump’s ear the target since that’s where he was hit? If so, that dude is one hell of a shot with that cheap setup he had in that case. If you’re going to aim for a smaller target than center mass, then you’d aim at the face, not the neck, at least a civilian would. If he was wearing a level IV vest, it would be much more visible under his t-shirt. What makes the most sense is that he wears a level II soft vest to protect against hand gun rounds from the crowd. Even a level III would not stop a 30-06.
No nothing of vests. He may have been trying for a heart/lung shot. Probably never know.
If he was wearing level IV, then the shooter aimed center mass, at his heart and got lucky with the ricochet, if that theory is true. That’s not hitting a 3 inch target.
This is literally inane.
I own 2 guns and hunt every year. However, as noted by everyone, you need some practice and to make sure your scope is sighted in and it shouldn’t be any problem. I can’t make that shot, but many non-professionals can.
I had to look at Google Earth and my guess is that it was within 150 yards.
Based on the picture of somebody laying on the roof, it’s 140 yards. That’s no problem with iron sights, much less a scoped bolt action.
You would be surprised by how well you did. If the scope is good enough and the rifle is sighted in to that range and you have a steady base, it’s not an outrageous shot.
If I knew how to download a photo I’d send a pick. I have a picture of a target I shot with my 6.5 creedmore 5 shots all touching can cover with a dime. This was at 300 yds. Spendy rifle and I handload.
Well yes but what was the Humidity MT?! 😉
I have never been that good at anything.
That is impressive.
Can I post stuff here again yet?
(I guess I just did)
Did GF ban you?
PeterGenghisBass did.
some stuff.
Huh? You’ve always been able to post here.
Just ignore everyone and post whenever you want.
Headed out to lunch and some grocery shopping. Need milk, and some other stuff.
God bless the USA, and we will not bow down to anyone.
The Falcons only scored 20 points last week, but their defense only allowed 260 yards and 23 points. I still think we’re the far better team. I believe we win by at least 10 points.
#nojinx
I don’t think they match up against the Vikings as well as they did against the Bucs. Flores will keep Penix from standing tall.
man his Penix/Penis stuff never gets old.
First thanks for all the kind thoughts.
Second, believe we are going to beat the snot out of the Falcons.
Third, and I guess this is a little political but today is kind of a special day.
NLV enclosed an interesting statement from a state representative below.
It reminded me on something John Kennedy said many years ago when running for President.
It went something like this — ‘There is really little difference between Democrats and Republicans. We both want you to have a good job, nice home and car, and good schools, etc. But the difference is HOW we get to those aspirations.’
The problem today in my opinion it’s not just the HOW nowadays, but the actual end goals and aspirations is very different. In fact, light years apart.
I think we beat the Falcons easily as well – I bet my nephew (Falcons fan) 30 bucks that we win by more than 4 points.
Flores will deflate Penix, keep him limp and impotent.
Penix is a big, strong, athletic QB with a strong arm (you know, like Caleb). In the end though it’s what’s between his ears that will determine if he can beat Flores’ defense.
Some might even say flacid.
Flores will do to Penix what he does to all young QB’s.
And our receivers will eat their secondary alive.
I see that as a safe bet.
The hype will all be about a “rematch” of Penix and McCarthy from the National Championship game, but in the end, teams win games. I expect the two QB’s will have their moments, but in the end it’s not going to be all about what “they” did.
Totally agree JR.
Yes indeed.
Just when the a student was asking about Trans Shooters to Charlie?
Was the ‘nut job’ who said ‘I did it’ and ‘I have the right to remain silent’ right after the shooting providing a distraction so the shooter could escape??
Still lots and lots of questions to be answered.
Indeed.
I have to say this reeks of the JFK assassination, where the rifle was recovered immediately after the shooting… so convenient. Paint me skeptical on this. No assassin leaves his weapon behind to be discovered after the fact. This was too well planned and executed for that kind of ridiculous act. Wrapped in a towel? Left in a wooded area? I smell a rat.
Yeah, it’s weird.
Well if the shell casings really had ”anti racist’ and pro ‘trans’ messaging on them then they were meant to be found.
No point if writing a message and then not leaving it to be found.
If you want to throw the dogs off the scent… this is exactly how you would do it. Push focus, blame, narrative, motive, etc to some ideological nutbag, rather than true political forces eliminating the threat.
Yep….exactly, It smells.
How CNN covered it:
I sincerely believe it was planted.
It absolutely was.
I agree with you. I wish I had an inkling as to who is responsible.
I am guessing you have some insight into that. Please tell us what you can when you learn things about the shooting that you can share.
Respectfully, I must remain pretty muted on this.
I understand.
Thank you for your service.
I hope your friends get to the bottom of this. I understand I will never know the truth, but I can hope for justice for the guilty involved.
I read here yesterday that folks were happy that political postings were absent early in the day. I post many things I am concerned about, and I feel others should be aware of. I probably have gone overboard with that. I apologize for my insensitivities. I will keep that in check moving forward.
That said, I read this, and it perfectly captures what I feel, and so I’m posting it. I cannot express it any better. God bless Charlie Kirk, and all that he believed in and professed.
It is hard to ‘stand in solidarity’ when the Other Side is only ‘condemning political violence’ as virtue signaling’.
Powerful words. Many of us have turned the other cheek and taken it until its red, eventually retaliation is needed. Its going to get ugly.
100%
FTP.
Go Skins !!
Another tough day on 9/11 with the despicable left wingers.
My daughters birthday is also today.
I am outraged….
I hope you can keep your outrage at bay long enough for you, your daughter and your family to celebrate the birthday.
‘No one cares what men feel, only what they do’.
Happy birthday to your daughter!
Is that the daughter that was seriously ill?
Regardless hope she has a wonderful day.
It is not.
This is my older daughter.
She is in NYC.
Just hard to be “happy” on a day that is one of the most terrible emotional days in my life.
Thank you for kind words.
Sort of understand. My second daughter was born the day my Mother died.
Also Cousins to the 49ers?? Lot’s of smoke on that, is there fire?
I would like to see that. Finally, Shanahan and Kirk could meet their destinies.
Perfect GIF
Jrobert, still waiting for your Birthday update. It would be a welcome distraction.
OK here goes. Yesterday was my 75th birthday. My daughter called and said well Dad you made three quarters of a century (ha ha).
The real story – no secret I love playing golf. But after a serious of injuries I had to give it up when I was 65. Tried for a while a couple of times, but just too much pain.
Now forward, this spring was watching the Masters, standing there swinging my arms a little bit. So my wife says, you really need to find a way to play again, you love it.
Next day made up my mind I was going to shoot my age on my birthday. Started slowly mobility exercises and just pitches and putting. Over the summer more longer game, playing holes and was getting into it – and starting to shoot well again. In fact thought I was ready and could do it.
But, three weeks ago was out of town animal sitting. Couldn’t play golf and bigger problem changed my exercise program and rehurt my shoulder. Came back and played some and it hurt a fair amount and I realized no way I can play 18 holes like this.
So, changed the goal 37 or better in nine I win, 38 is a tie and 39 I lose.
Went out yesterday to give it a go. But strange ending. Was 2 under threw eight in the middle of the fairway on nine, and the skies opened up and just washed the course out.
Thus, unfinished for now but maybe a blessing. I’ll wait a few weeks and give the 75 round a go.
But the real blessing is, I’m back on the course doing something I love to do. So it was a great birthday.
And then I come home and see the news about Kirk, thinking about that poor girl in NC, and 9/11. my happiness was dashed some.
That’s the NDR update. Overall, feel very blessed.
And reminded we are Americans and we will prevail no matter what.
Good story, thanks for the distraction.
…and belated Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday! Glad you could get out on the course again. Hope it continues.
Happy belated Birthday! I hope you put a tee in the ground on #9 and upon your return, stick the approach to 3ft!!
Happy birthday!
Thank you for sharing this JR. Warmed my heart to hear about how you were able to pursue your goal, and do what you loved on your birthday. Living pretty close to you, I know all about thunderstorms on a golf course in Florida. I will never be 2 under after 8 holes, and playing the ninth like you. So I’ll just live vicariously through your golfing adventures.
Thank you again for sharing. Love our exchanges here, whether we agree or disagree on things. You are a fine gentleman.
Happy birthday, and many more!
Hell you’re probably a better golfer than me. I’m just pretty good at scoring at golf – my swing, just a bent over baseball swing
Still working on the gentleman thing.
Laughing. No way I’m better than you. I hit the ball decent. I get off the tee decent. I hit approach shots decent. I hit chips and pitches decent, and I’m a decent putter. Definitely Joe average at golf.
And you are definitely a gracious gentleman. Never found you to be anything but.
Happy belated Birthday!
Well done on getting back into golf. Pretty sure you will crush the goal, and even if you do not, it has to be good to be out there again.
What an awesome story! Congrats being able to return to something you love, and are obviously quite good at!
This past weekend I just played with my 85 year old uncle – he still loves the game, plays from the forward tees and generally shoots in the upper 40s (9 holes). He played 18 with me which is a bit of a stretch for him – usually just 9 holes per week but he loves it.
Hey NoDak, that’s awesome that you got to play with your 85 year old uncle. After 70, we can’t do that much anymore.
That’s why I want to retire next year at age 60 so I get hopefully 10 good years of being able to golf 18 holes 3 or 4 days a week.
I know eventually I will not be able to do that.
O.K. the other reason I am retiring at age 60 is because my company will be closing….I have no desire to start over somewhere else.
Lucky, I hope to retire by then, too. I’ll keep working, though.
I have no plans to retire, I suppose when I can no longer physically or mentally work I will give it up.
I am planning on retiring in 10 years, at the young age of 72.
Note to younger people. Start saving for retirement prior to being 55 years old.
I started hitting the max on the 401k contribution at age 23….I knew this job I had was not a sure thing forever so thought might as well save up.
I never made gouger type money, but I lived on a middle income salary for the last 36 years – maybe upper middle class the last 10 years.. Now I can retire at age 60 on a comfortable middle income revenue stream.
Yes, start young.
Only big issue, maybe, is getting to 65 to get medicare for medical. Can be expensive in the interm.
The good news for me is, as an empty nester with no debt except the mortgage, we have been able to ramp up the savings and extra house payments. We both drive 10 year old cars with no payments, and I have not taken a vacation in almost two years. Being frugal now is paying off, and it is possible I would be able to retire at 70 or even 67. All depends on the mortgage. Once the home is completely paid off, the math changes.
I am still doing fun things. Golf is not cheap, and I am going to the Bengals game and maybe another. We are both focused on paying things off quickly while still having some fun.
Your comment is interesting. Obviously I’m old, but when I was growing up most everyone lived to pay their mortgage off and retire. To my parents and grandparents this was a huge achievement and even a sort of sign they had lived a responsible life.
Hardly hear it nowadays.
Yeah, I did get a late start. Both in my career that I started in my 30s, and saving towards retirement.
I am doing way better than I thought I would be 10 years ago. I still feel behind schedule, but things are moving the right way pretty quickly.
In a pinch, we could always downsize, but my wife wants to stay in this house.
We paid off our mortgage back in 2018. It makes a huge difference in the amount we can save. We still have one car payment. I was hoping to have that paid off, but my wife keeps hitting deer. My plan is to have that paid off this coming spring.
357 days for me.
I’m on the clock at 63.
Next year is doable.
Dealing with my 91 year old mom, and now my daughter has moved backed home.
I ‘retired’ for the 2nd time at 62. I had planned to keep working in a pleasant, low pressure, part time job but Covid happened.
‘Man plans, the fates laugh’.
Fixed it for you…
“Man plans, God laughs”
I used The Fates since I was trying to keep the comment non-religious. As in ‘do I go capital G or small g’?
The Norse Norns/Fates/Spinners was the default
Can say at 75 some days nine can be quite challenging. . If I can play nine at 85 I’ll be thrilled to death.
I hung my wall-mounted flag at the lower, 90-degree position last night, turned on the flood light, and let it fly all night. I’m mourning Charlie Kirk and 9/11. It’s a weird day today.
Today sucks. Kirk on top of 9-11 is a real downer.
A truly wonderful patriotic gesture.
9/11 is normally hard but now with Kirk it has even more “downness” (for lack of a better word) to it.
hey, tell us about your birthday!
I don’t type or express my self particularly well but gave it a shot up above.
I saw! Well-said.
PICK ‘EM AND SURVIVAL LEAGUE REMINDER
Be sure to get your picks in before the game tonight. If you don’t, the Les Steckel Fairy will visit you in the night…
Of course, maybe some of you would like that. Weirdos.
That halloween custom looks great on you !!
If you got it, flaunt it!
Ours are done
His patience is truly astounding
We need this.
Sorry hard to read.