Minnesota Vikings Discussion – SkolAsylum: 12 August 2024

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VIKINGS NEWS – Stephon Gilmore is visiting the Vikings today. If he can still play, I hope they do not let him leave. Defense, especially the secondary, needs help and depth.

NFL News – FTP!  I watched a bit of a few other games over the weekend. I think all the rookie QBs played pretty well, except Maye. I also saw some very bad football played by people that will be looking for work in 2 weeks.

Question of the Day – Can Gilmore still play and should the Vikings sign him?

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More JJ Highlights on the Vikings official page – https://www.vikings.com/video/

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SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 9:33 pm

Twinkies win 8- 3 vs KC.
Keeping ahead for 2nd.
Strong game by Pablo, 6IP, 2ERs.

freezeyface
12 August 2024 8:51 pm

JJ knee soreness? Oh great. It was fun while it laster.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 9:31 pm

He’s Fine.

Mjolnir
12 August 2024 7:11 pm

🔨’s thoughts on preseason game 1…..

Liked what I saw from Darnold in his lone drive. Moved the ball downfield. Needed to finish with a score.

Defense by design didn’t show much as it’s preseason but the poor tackling stood out. Hoping it was guys making business decisions and the effort and intensity ramps up quickly. Even without a stud DT I think our front 7 will be tough. Serious concerns about our cornerback play.

Dallas Turner will be a factor – the dip move he made to get underneath the tackle on his sack was smooth – his athleticism is ridiculous. Excited to see Flores use packages featuring Turner, Greenard & Van Ginkel at the same time.

Was impressed with Bo Richter. He feels like this year’s UDFA gem. Hope he can crack the roster.

Speedy Nailor is WR3, but don’t sleep on Trishton Jackson. Jets said during the broadcast that the Vikes had the best WR room in the league. Thought both Jackson and Nailor looked good.

About as good a debut from McCarthy as you could want imo. Faced some early adversity, bounced back with a few nice scrambles and engineered some scoring drives. The pick was a learning experience, same situation next time and he puts the ball out toward the sideline and lets his guy make play. Thought he bounced back nicely.

Skol!

🔨⚒️🔨⚒️

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Mjolnir
12 August 2024 7:15 pm

TLDR
Otherwise solid points.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 6:56 pm

Saw a funny meme on FB by Tim Allen. He said he’d rather paint his house with a Q tip than watch a full episode of the View.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 6:59 pm

Laughing… now THAT’s funny… I don’t care who you are.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 7:02 pm

I have never watched any of the view other than Gutfeld making making fun of them.

I can see that point of view but ‘watching’ the View would be much quicker, can I watch with the sound off? Painting a house with a Q-tip could take weeks or more.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 6:40 pm

Word salad trying to flip the script on border now to buy votes. How Fing stupid can voters not see this shit?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 6:44 pm

And of course, no one in the mainstream media is saying WTF?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 6:50 pm

Well if people like Trumps policies but don’t like Trump then Cackles can give them Trump’s policies in a Cackling face.

Well until the elections then they will get straight up Woke policies.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 6:53 pm

Yep

No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 5:32 pm

The European Union (EU) threatened to take action against Elon Musk’s company, X, concerning an upcoming interview between Musk and Donald Trump, UK Commissioner Thierry Breton announced on Monday.

The interview is scheduled to take place on Monday night on Musk’s popular social platform.

In the letter, the European Commission warned Musk that his company may face penalties and restrictions in Europe should Musk’s conversation with Trump violate its laws regarding “incitements to violence and hate speech.”

Liberals gonna liberal…

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 5:39 pm

Yeah they have threatened to arrest people for retweeting about the British riots even to got so far as to say Americans/others outside England can be extradited.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/uk-police-commissioner-threatens-extradite-jail-us-citizens-over-social-media-posts-we-come-afte

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 5:49 pm

Yeah, this is ridiculous in the extreme.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 5:55 pm

I can see this woke FJB Admin/DOJ assisting the Euros extradite Americans for ‘Mean Tweets’.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 6:22 pm

At the moment, there’s this little issue of “jurisdiction” but FJB can fix that.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 6:25 pm

FJB and DOJ will try to get the ‘offender’ in custody and on the plane overseas before the Supreme Court can stop them.

And of course blaming Trump the whole time.

They have ‘priors’.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 4:39 pm

Raiders officials said JJ’s athleticism and decisiveness stood out.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 4:54 pm

Yes, indeed.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 4:56 pm

Not Ponder 2.0 i’d say, thank goodness.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 3:55 pm

Some UDFA named Robinson did well. Will watch line play close on Saturday. RG

KFEY93
12 August 2024 3:53 pm

Our lord and savior JJ on QB SCHOOOOOL

Also first clips disproves NLNVFs wrong opinion that JJ wasn’t going through his reads and was just throwing to the first one every time. Tee hee

freezeyface
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 4:06 pm

to be fair, he did say 3 passes were not first read only…

also, i watched that video today. interesting stuff.

KFEY93
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 4:07 pm

I just wished he would nit pick qwerky like that more, id respect his takes and football opinion more, but UNTIL that day. Nope. Also I agree, I enjoy his break downs.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 4:13 pm

Better line play means more reads. Has not been our strong suit, think all on here would agree with that.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 4:40 pm

Actually I didn’t critique McCarthy. I made a statement of fact.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 4:45 pm

Lots of variables in pre-season, all we can do is watch.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 4:49 pm

I probably watch completely different things than most fans, when I watch QB play. I’m looking at ball security, footwork, processing, progressions, arm angles, launch angles, etc. None of which the average Joe looks for.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 5:11 pm

I at the results of the play.
If bad, where the screw up is.
We fans are going to ‘fan’.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 5:16 pm

True

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 4:39 pm

I watched the plays. He wasn’t going through reads. He was either throwing to his first read, or scrambling. You have a lot to learn son.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 3:46 pm

Damn Twinks. All jacked up on doublehead sweep then screw it up. Royals now, no pushover.

norseman1
norseman1
12 August 2024 3:42 pm

WR#3? Nailor most likely. Jackson looked good and some guy name Sherfield? (sp)

JacksonVike
12 August 2024 3:02 pm

One thing I noticed when watching JJM in the preseason game, he was not just staring down a receiver, but making his progressions.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 3:29 pm

Ummm not really. McCarthy dropped back 19 times. He threw 17 passes and scrambled twice. All but three passes went to his first read, and he only completed one pass to anyone who was not his first read.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 3:41 pm

If 1st read is open toss it.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
12 August 2024 4:46 pm

Absolutely, but QB’s will also try and stuff a ball into their first read, even if they’re well covered, instead of going through progressions, because on average they only have 2.5 seconds to make reads and get rid of the ball.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 5:14 pm

If one of the D Lineman was coming after me I would do whatever I could to get rid of it as soon as I could.
With our O-line even more so.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 5:22 pm

Yep… it’s MUCH harder to be a pocket passer than a running QB.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 3:41 pm

If you’re completing to your first read the second read is irrelevant.

KFEY93
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 3:49 pm

Not to the all knowing football God

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 4:44 pm

I’m just stating the facts Bow… don’t get your knickers in a twist. Most NFL QB’s throw to their first read. A few have the patience (and courage) to stand in the pocket, go through progressions, and get hit in the mouth while delivering the ball.

Just the nature of the game.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 5:16 pm

65% completion rate and a passer rating of 116.
Why does it all of sudden matter if it’s a first, second, or third read?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 5:20 pm

It doesn’t matter, but the statement was he was “he was not just staring down a receiver, but making his progressions.” He really only did that a couple times, but mostly he latched on to his first read and threw to it. Just being accurate. That’s all.

JacksonVike
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 6:26 pm

He wasn’t staring down receivers from what I saw. He either got it out quick to his first read or he was scanning the field. He did run a couple times, but I don’t think it was because he only looked at his first read. He moved well in the pocket to avoid sacks while looking down field, and even connected on a couple.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 6:39 pm

I don’t think he completed any passes while scrambling. “Staring down a receiver” is just a term. I think he did a good job getting the ballout for the most part. Some of his throws while scrambling were atrocious, but when he set up and threw the ball from the pocket, he was very strong.

DE Viking
12 August 2024 2:49 pm

Never Forget.

Dr. Anthony Fauci revealed that he’s been infected with COVID for a third time despite having been “vaccinated and boosted six times.”

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 2:52 pm

Think he and the Dems will try and shut down the country again at election time? All those millions of mail-in ballots that elected Biden could elect Harris.

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 2:53 pm

They might.
But the mail-in ballots have nothing to do with covid IMO.
They are already being printed as we speak.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 2:55 pm

Hmmmm
After I was vac’ed and boosted 3x I got the plague.
The Dr told me to stop getting vac’ed at that point or I could OD (AKA have adverse effects) on the Vac.

Hmmm who do I trust more ‘Expert Fauci’ or some random Dr?
Yup, no more Vac for me.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 3:00 pm

Fauci told the populace to wear masks, social distance, and wash their hands frequently, to prevent COVID from spreading. Biden said a simple mask could have saved millions of lives. None of that was/is true, and Fauci as a scientist knew it. An aerosol virus can go right through a mask, just the same as the air you breathe through it does. Lies.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 3:02 pm

But those were ‘honorable lies’.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 3:08 pm

Oh yeah… silly me.

MT Viking
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 3:44 pm

No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 2:28 pm

Haason Reddick to Jets: “I want a trade!”

Jets to Reddick “That’s nice. See you in camp soon.”

DE Viking
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 2:44 pm

I think the Jets put him on the did not report list and doesn’t count against the cap.
I’m guessing Reddick caves.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 2:46 pm

Not much choice.
If he doesn’t report he doesn’t get a year of service off his contract and he loses all the money he is fined.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 2:51 pm

Not sure the year of service matters.
He has like 7 years.

Not sure why he didn’t tell the Jets FU before the trade went down in March.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 2:56 pm

I mean his contract will still have the same time remaining on it after he sits out the year.

DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:33 pm

Kev on Kev this week.
Watson will not play in PS game 2.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:34 pm

With the joint practices this week I don’t think there will be many starters playing in the game.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:52 pm

Probably not.
Hall and Mullens for the game?

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:53 pm

I would expect JJ to get a fair amount of time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Darnold sits though.

DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:12 pm

@Does this mean the Tush Push play is now dead in Minnesota?@

DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:09 pm

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:41 pm

Those are all great numbers…but on 3rd and 8 he threw a 5 yard out……

@He is a checkdown specialist@

DE Viking
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 12:53 pm

No different than our prior QB.
Sooooo…not JJ’s fault.

KFEY93
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 3:52 pm

Only difference was its was a meaningless practice game not a WC game with the season on the line

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 3:03 pm

He sucks, cut him

DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:08 pm

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:27 pm

Maybe he just wanted a quality steakhouse meal?

#nojinx

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 11:50 am

The Escrow on my old Cali house closed on the 11 of Jun.
Friday the 9th of Aug the remodel/upgrades/modernizing were complete and it was listed for sale.

They had a 12 man crew standing by to do the work, impressive how fast it got done.
Gutted the old place carpet/walls/etc and made lots of changes.
I called and congratulated the realtor/contractor wife/husband team, very efficient.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 11:52 am

That is impressive.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 11:57 am

Time is money.
They did ask me ‘how soon they could get in and start’.
Guess the team needed the work.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 12:51 pm

Actually the 11 July Escrow closed.
Even more impessiver.

VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 10:49 am

I’m skimming through a book called “The Second American Revolution” by John W Whitehead. Included in the book are political cartoons by Wayne Stayskal. There is one that shows a mugger with a gun in his hand walking off with a couples money as they stand there with their hands up in the air. The wife says to the husband, “Well, all wasn’t lost….I got him to sign my gun control petition.” I’m not sure how left leaning the Chicago Tribune was in 1980, but that is the paper the cartoon was originally published in.

bowbunch
Admin
12 August 2024 9:49 am

Best part of this was when a Waltz ad popped up in the middle.

MT Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 10:29 am

There isn’t much that pisses me off more than stolen valor.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  MT Viking
12 August 2024 10:37 am

Same. He was in the Reserves for 24 years, so he served. I will give him his due for that. But he didn’t deploy as he has proclaimed, was never armed in combat, and did not retire as a Sergeant Major as he claimed. He embellished his service record for political gain.

I accept that politicians will stretch the truth, but this is dishonorable. Those who have served, take honor very seriously.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 10:46 am

I served as a 1SG, but I never held the rank.

I was a temp while ours was out sick for 3 months.
And then again when I was in a Detachment that the 1SG position was filled by a SFC.
When people ask I say ‘I got to work as a 1SG’, and that was my career peak. I never claimed I was a 1SG as I never held the rank but I did get to do the job.

I also never served in a War Zone, Served in Berlin which was an ‘Army of Occupation’, and I POMed to go to Iraq but they canceled our deployment. I never want to claim what I didn’t earn, disrespectful of those that did earn it.

Fine distinction but important.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 10:54 am

Absolutely, and thank you for your service.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 11:01 am

And you for yours.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 11:14 am

Couple of questions. I was RA but it was a long time ago and rank must be different for NG. Listening to this guy some it seems different than RA from. my days. If you were a MSG you would have had to go to various schools ‘before’ you were promoted to SGM. And a SGM was different than a CSGM.
Second, and perhaps Marines are different than Army. Knew a guy that was SGM in Marine Corp and was selected for OCS. Became a Captain and retired at 26 years. Because he lacked time in grade for retirement pay etc he was an E – 9, but could be called Captain (ret). Maybe MC is different ?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 11:32 am

Yes, the Guard promotion system is different from the RA. Basically, when a position opens up, you can be hired into it if you meet time in grade requirements. Not like RA where you’re selected in competition with your peers, and promoted on merit.

Still have to meet the requirements (schools) to put on the rank. Waltz wasn’t interested in doing the work required to put on the chevrons, apparently (my personal take, only).

JacksonVike
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 12:59 pm

I do believe he had to go to some type of training for the promotion, I am not sure what or where, but I do remember another MSG in the guards saying that nobody retires right after the training like Walz did. Again, I am going off memory and may be wrong.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 1:08 pm

In the video he says the promotion was contingent on him completing training and then serving another 2 years after that.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 1:19 pm

Yes, the Army Sergeants Major Academy and two year enlisted commitment is required. It’s a 10 month in-residence course at Ft Bliss.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 1:43 pm

Went to the Battle Staff Course there.

Pretty miserable place to be IMHO and this was even before FJB opened the border.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 1:57 pm

El Paso? Oh yeah… not what one would call a vacation hot spot.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 2:02 pm

vacation hot spot.’

Well it certainly gets ‘Hot’ especially in the summer.

Vacation? Not so much?

I remember I got roped into being the designated driver most every weekend, Not that there as much else to do on Fri/Sat Nights.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 2:12 pm

Laughing

VikingPhilip
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 4:57 pm

My son was posted there for about a year. Army nursing training. Hot is a good description. We spent a week there during July of 2022. I don’t know if we would every vacation there again, but we kept busy with the grandkids while we were there.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 5:17 pm

At least it is a ‘Dry Heat’.

#grin

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 11:38 am

I didn’t serve and the amount coming out about this pisses me off. Those of you who have served deserve better than this turd.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 11:40 am

He also claims to have PTSD from his deployment he bailed on.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:02 pm

Do we really want someone with mental health issues as our VP?

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 12:03 pm

We have someone with dementia and God knows what else as President so….

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:31 pm

Rec for Truthiness.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 12:41 pm

Starting to sound like the medical emergency in Las Vegas right before Biden dropping out wasn’t a conspiracy theory after all. Somebody got ahold of police radio recordings from that day and they were prepping the route to the hospital.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:54 pm

Yep.
It was a mini stroke.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:55 pm

The covid thing was a lie. Is anybody going to at least ask questions about this?

JacksonVike
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:57 pm

Duecy: ” why did you say you had covid but didn’t really have covid?”

Biden: Unintelligible mumbling

MSM Reporter: “So, president Biden what flavor of ice cream did they serve you, while you were in the hospital?”

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:57 pm

Correct.
All a lie.
Doesn’t matter now.

State Run Media has more important propaganda to get out.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 11:42 am

Embellishing or exaggerating is bad.
Out and out lying is much worse.

He served honorably, good on him.
He lied to make himself look better, bad on him.

Mjolnir
Reply to  MT Viking
12 August 2024 11:47 am

Me too. And I didn’t serve. Both grandfathers, several aunts and uncles and my nephew just left for Marine boot camp a few weeks ago, but I never did.

Worked with a guy who claimed to be an ex-Marine and would tell tall stories that didn’t add up. Boot camp at Fort Knox. Had never heard of Parris Island and the real kicker ….. he’d walk around shouting ‘SIMPLIFY’ – claiming it was Marine Corp creed….

Then he got called on it by an ACTUAL Marine – ‘Nam combat vet named Eugene that called everyone, man or woman, ‘babe’….. Looked right at this poser, rolled up his sleeve to show his USMC tattoo on his arm and said, very quietly….. ‘It’s Semper Fi….. babe….’

Dude quit like 3 weeks later.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mjolnir
12 August 2024 11:53 am

Good on the Marine. Folks have posed as vets forever, to garner respect, or whatever. Damn shame.

VikesfaninSC
VikesfaninSC
Reply to  Mjolnir
12 August 2024 1:25 pm

Made me laugh out loud! I read the story to my wife and her comment
“what a dumb ass!!”

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  VikesfaninSC
12 August 2024 2:33 pm

Your wife sounds like good people.
Congrats.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  Mjolnir
12 August 2024 5:00 pm

I worked with a guy like that once. I don’t recall if he every claimed to be a veteran, but he had lots of story. If he did every job that he claimed that he had done, he would have had to be about 25 years older than he was.

manly-purple
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 10:32 am

This was a really good look at the situation.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 12:06 pm

It’s just such an effing joke what they will do to get away with it.

My dad served in the Navy during the Korean war and later 20 plus years with the Air National Guard in Minnesota. I think he got to Tech Sergeant.

I sure hope voters take it into consideration.
But sadly, they likely won’t


JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:38 pm

Anyone who will vote for those two, don’t give two shits about his military service. They would probably prefer he had no military background.

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 12:46 pm

I have told the story before on here…

My brother was a Master Seargent in the ND National Guard when word came that his unit would be deploying to Iraq in a month or so. He considered putting in his paperwork to get out. He had every reason to do so, he had a wife and 2 young daughters at home. But he went…he said he wouldn’t have been able to look himself in the mirror if he hadn’t….and he said who is going to lead all of these 19 and 20 year old kids if I am not there?

My brother is the anti-Walz – unfortunately though he is a Democrat.

JacksonVike
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 12:50 pm

Walz referred to the MN National Guard members as “19 year old cooks”.

JacksonVike
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 12:51 pm

He also referred to the non-metro area, of Minnesota, as “rocks and cows”.

NoDakRube
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 12:52 pm

The 19 year olds in my brother’s unit were manning gun trucks in convoys and receiving incoming fire from RPGs…Walz is a piece of shit.

vikesfanincheeseland
vikesfanincheeseland
12 August 2024 9:42 am

I see some talk about our defense not looking good in this game. I agree, but wouldn’t put much stock into it. I’m assuming that most of the DCs in the league will not show much of their defensive game plans during preseason. I expect B-flo will be way more aggressive come regular season.

KFEY93
Reply to  vikesfanincheeseland
12 August 2024 10:36 am

This ^ were all old enough to know how preseason football works in this day and age. No point in reading too much into anything.

FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 9:29 am

The NFL Network turned off the Vikings game during their last drive for the win. I missed the drive and the winning FG. Pisses me off!

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 9:31 am

Really? We watched the ending on NFL network here. I didn’t pay that close of attention, but my kid had it on and I did see the winning kick.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 9:32 am

Yeah, down here, they switched to another game.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 9:34 am

When I looked they had a side by side thing going. That might have just been for the kick though. I was in and out working on the grill too.

JacksonVike
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 9:44 am

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 9:34 am

They went ‘split screen’ here.
Had Vikes-LV on one side and KC-Jacksonville on the other.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
12 August 2024 9:36 am

hmmm, maybe I gave up too early. When they switched, I simply walked away.

DE Viking
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 10:14 am

It was on here in DE.
I was afraid they were going to switch it, but they didn’t.

VikesfaninSC
VikesfaninSC
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 10:24 am

They went split screen here and back to full screen when the plays were actually happening.

VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 8:54 am

It’s always fun to see the Vikings win. Darnold looked ok. The offense looked ok. It was fun watching JJ play even though you can see he will need some adjusting to the speed of the NFL. As others have mentioned, the defense looks suspect.

KFEY93
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 9:05 am

All defenses are suspect in pre season, no one is scheming or showing their tricks. Just like we didnt run any special plays in the red zone on our first drive. RELAX.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 10:16 am

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KFEY93
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 10:37 am

VikingPhilip
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 12:30 pm

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NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:37 am

PFF Top 5 Defense from Saturday
LB Dallas Gant 81
LB Bo Richter 80
DL Taki Taimani 75
LB Blake Cashman 75
LB Owen Porter 74

hmmm…no dbacks.

freezeyface
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:38 am

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:39 am

No Turner? What I heard on the radio it sounded like he was doing pretty good.

freezeyface
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:42 am

he had 2 pressures, one resulted in a sack.

NoDakRube
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 8:45 am

He Graded out as our 4th best pass rusher with a respectable 63

VikingPhilip
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:56 am

He’s a rookie but he definitely showed some promise.

NoDakRube
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:40 am

Ohhh I found the Ddbacks!! They were on the worst 5 PFF defensive grades.

CB Theo Jackson 35
DL Jaqueline Roy 40
CB Byron Murphy 44
SAF Camryn Bynum 47
LB Brian Asomoah 51

VikingPhilip
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:56 am

Sounds about right.

KFEY93
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 9:05 am

Why are we checking PFF grades in pre season?

NoDakRube
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 9:12 am

because we are tired of talking about politics.

freezeyface
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 9:14 am

kfey wondering why we are talking vikings…..

KFEY93
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 10:37 am

Pre season Vikings, REAL FOOTBALL NEEDS TO START SO BAD

freezeyface
Reply to  KFEY93
12 August 2024 10:44 am

but vikings is vikings is VIKINGS

KFEY93
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 10:37 am

Thats fair

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 9:28 am

Richter made a few good plays. He stood out.

NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:33 am

PFF Top 5 Offense from Sunday…
Jalen Nailor 85
Tristen Jackson 82
JJ McCarthy 82
Nick Muse 78
OT Quessenbery 75

NoDakRube
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:34 am

I meant from Saturday

freezeyface
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:38 am

Nailor looked really good and i would say he should be ahead of whatever the name of our tush push connoisseur wr is

NoDakRube
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 8:41 am

Agree…Nailor going to have a year.

freezeyface
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:42 am

would love to see it.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 8:58 am

It was fun listening to Justin Jefferson rave about the wide receiver room. While I’m sure he was just being enthusiastic, Nailor seemed to make a very positive impression.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 9:27 am

It was fun listening to JJets. He has a lot of very positive energy. PA was having fun with him , too.

JacksonVike
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 9:34 am

I thought PA sounded frustrated at times, mostly because he is used to doing play by play on the radio.

DE Viking
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 10:16 am

Well, on the radio, he doesn’t have to be accurate.
“What a great run !!!!”, while on live TV it looks like an ordinary play.

JRobert
JRobert
12 August 2024 8:17 am

Really have no idea about Gilmore. For sure out CB’a are not stellar. But after watching all last year, and some yesterday. the ‘middle’ of our defense is wide open on most all passing plays. Don’t believe this is a CB issue but something is not right.

freezeyface
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 8:27 am

well if we are creating pressure on the QB, he doesn’t have all day to throw and pick apart the middle of the field. I think it’s more than just poor CB play.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 9:10 am

Sometimes you have to simply play good solid base defense. The Raiders suck as an offense. You play a good well schemed NFL offense you have to play good base defense. they will pick up blitzes and are well prepared for it.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 8:38 am

Flores noted that aggressive defenses have to leave parts of the field vulnerable. You can defend the field, or go after the offense. He wants to put pressure on the opposing QB and force bad throws, or get sacks. The middle of the field may be exposed, as the linebackers rush the passer.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 9:06 am

Of course. But many good defenses generate pressure and don’t leave the middle of the field so wide open.
Look what happens to us on many zero blitzes. You want to put pressure on. QB to get rid of ball quickly. BUT, if your corners are playing 12 yards off the line of scrimmage, ala like the Charger game, any reasonable NFL QB will make quick easy throws giving up lots of YAC. The defense by design is self defeating.
Usually, two issues when middle is wide open. LB’s don’t drop deeply enough and or 3rd layer drop far two deeply creating huge gaps. And this is farther aggravated if one of center defenders chases and leaves his zone.
Most of last year when this happened, Flores claimed the guys aren’t playing the defense correctly. OK, what’s that say.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 9:18 am

JR, you are making salient points, but there’s a point Flores made that I think was true. When you blitz, the old adage for the offense is “throw into the blitz”. I.e., take advantage the vacated area by the blitzer. However, these days, defenses try and bait the QB into making that throw, and then have a defender fall into the vacated space, hoping to intercept the ball. I think Flores had some of the defenders not playing the defense exactly right in his first year, which is pretty normal.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 9:29 am

OK. But you may have noticed we are not real stout stopping the run, especially right up the middle. All these blitzes further aggravate this problem too.
IO’m for blitzing but not a steady diet of it – good offenses will beat you more often than not. You have to play good base. no matter what.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 9:38 am

Agree, but sometimes you just have to compensate. If you can’t stop the run or get to the QB with your front four, then run a 3-4 and use the linebackers to wreak havoc if you can.

NoDakRube
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 8:42 am

Hope the sign him…for no other reason than Harry can have another old guy to play checkers with.

JacksonVike
Reply to  NoDakRube
12 August 2024 9:43 am

MT Viking
Reply to  JRobert
12 August 2024 10:27 am

I think the D only stopped one third down conversion in the first half.

JacksonVike
12 August 2024 6:55 am

Will the kick off rules change how teams evaluate the returner? It seems like teams may look for a bruiser type returner rather than a speedy returner.

DE Viking
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 6:57 am

Personally, I don’t think there will be very many returns.
The NFL has ended the kickoff return. On purpose.

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 6:59 am

I tend to disagree, I don’t think teams are going to want to give the opponent the ball on the 30 yard line, especially in a close game.

DE Viking
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 8:47 am

I just think the overall set up is to NOT have big returns.
There will always be a few exceptions.
But I think on average it will be a boring play with little to no excitement.

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 9:38 am

I do agree on this, but if you have a bruiser back like a AP who can break tackles, once he is threw the initial line, there is only the kicker to stop him one on one.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 10:20 am

They were alluding to that during the game that if Wangu can get through the first wave, no one will be able to catch him I think blocking is going to be key.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 10:22 am

If only he could catch a swing pass out of the backfield and make a move.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 10:52 am

The announcers were trying to pawn it off on that fact that he never has really had a chance.

My response was, “Whatever.”

JacksonVike
Reply to  VikingPhilip
12 August 2024 12:46 pm

My point is, I don’t think you need a speedster anymore. If you have a big back that can break a tackle or two, he doesn’t need to be lightning fast. He just has to beat the kicker.

I could see kick teams having a guy or two drop back on the kick, in the future to prevent it being kicker vs. runner one on one.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 8:50 am

I heard that the Kickoff returns are now more similar to Punt returns.
Different skill sets, different blocking required.

manly-purple
12 August 2024 6:52 am

The new kicker………..actually looks good. Do we have a good kicker again?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  manly-purple
12 August 2024 7:27 am

Not anymore #jinx

manly-purple
Reply to  benjammin
12 August 2024 7:31 am

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  manly-purple
12 August 2024 7:48 am

Not to be a negative Nancy, but didn’t the Raiders block a field goal attempt and return it for like 40 yards?

freezeyface
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 8:01 am

curious to know if that was on the kicker (very well could have been, launch angle and all that, i did notice some of his extra points seemed to come in low) or if it was because or line got completely blown up.

either way…. it was gross

JacksonVike
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 8:02 am

I know it is not Tuesday, but it was clearly Kirks fault.

DE Viking
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 9:05 am

Or, it’s not the kickers fault. Ever.
Always someone else’s fault.

JacksonVike
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 9:39 am

This is correct as well.

manly-purple
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 8:03 am
SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
12 August 2024 8:53 am

I found this: ‘Jurgens had a holding penalty late in the game and was blown back allowing the penetration for the blocked field goal. He was replaced on the game winning kick by 343-pound Jeremy Flax.’

So it sounds like it was more on the blocking than the kicker.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  manly-purple
12 August 2024 8:03 am

Blair Walsh looked Hall of Fame for the first few years. Reichart will likely look All Pro until the NFC championship game is on the line.

VikesfaninSC
VikesfaninSC
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:35 am

Carlson from the Raiders was our draft choice and fired by Zim(I know he had issues in his rookie year) and now he is automatic from 60 and in….. only time will tell

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  VikesfaninSC
12 August 2024 8:38 am

Yeah, that pain was too recent to type. High draft pick, at least for a kicker and Zim destroyed him.

JacksonVike
12 August 2024 6:28 am

Is Mullens the odd man out, in the QB room?

DE Viking
Reply to  Surly Viking
12 August 2024 6:55 am

I definitely think Hall is the odd man out, but think he is signed to the PS.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 7:21 am

I think hall makes it to the PS

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  benjammin
12 August 2024 8:03 am

Is Mullens eligible for the PS now?

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:07 am

Can he play defense?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:36 am

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 9:04 am

I think he is.
But I think some other team might want him for a #2 or #3 before he gets to the PS.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 9:09 am

I’d rather they just take him than give the Vikings a deuce for him.

JacksonVike
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 9:41 am

If they can get a late round pick for him it is better than nothing. I don’t think we can get anything for Hall at this point, so we might as well keep him.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JacksonVike
12 August 2024 9:47 am

A box of poo isn’t cool though.

VikingPhilip
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 10:21 am

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FloridaSKOL
12 August 2024 6:25 am

Good morning, SKOL!

FTP!

The defense looked weak.

JacksonVike
12 August 2024 6:24 am

Good morning Skoloholics,

Enjoyed the game Saturday, defense looks suspect, but we were not running our full blitz package, so I think that will help our secondary in real games. I would not mind signing Gilmore, I believe he is good enough and smart enough, much like Pat Pete, to overcome his losing a step.

Wrenage
12 August 2024 6:14 am

I got to see some of the preseason game.

JJ looked sufficiently “quarterbacky,” in that he didn’t seem overwhelmed. He displayed some pocket awareness, mobility and zip on his passes.

Secondary and special teams are bad and should feel bad.

Cine appeared in the frame a couple of times. His body language came off as disinterested, but maybe he did something when I wasn’t watching.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Wrenage
12 August 2024 7:12 am

I thought McCarthy showed he’s got talent. Looked good really, for the first start. He’s still got a lot to learn, but he done good as far as I’m concerned.

Defense and special teams… yeah. Meh.

DE Viking
12 August 2024 6:02 am

I assume Gilmore has lost a step, which is why he is available.
Still might be better than what the Vikings have currently.

manly-purple
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 6:33 am

A Cowboys blog post explained it for me after searching last night:

  1. He’s 34.
  2. He might want more $$$ than teams are willing to give a 34-year-old (perhaps $10 mil).
  3. He’s coming off of a shoulder surgery.
DE Viking
Reply to  manly-purple
12 August 2024 6:54 am

Yep.
If he wants $10 million, I doubt Kwesi pays him that.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  manly-purple
12 August 2024 8:57 am

Hopefully he takes less to play for Coach Flores again.
Plus getting reps with the rest of the Defense will certainly help him and us going forward.

freezeyface
Reply to  DE Viking
12 August 2024 8:04 am

I keep seeing people talking about how Gilmore is more of a man to man guy, and people keep saying “he can be like pat pete” but peterson was more of a zone guy…

idk, i’m not smart enough for all this but i would imagine someone who is more of a man to man at his age would not be ideal. they fall of FAST…

either way, our secondary needs help (granted, did any of our starting safeties even play?)

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  freezeyface
12 August 2024 8:22 am

Based on his X account, I think Rhodes wants to come back if we are in the market for washed up man corners.

freezeyface
Reply to  bowbunch
12 August 2024 8:23 am

yeah case in point, rhodes man to man stud FALLS OF CLIFF

DE Viking
12 August 2024 6:01 am

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