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I just wish somebody had asked KAM when he was hired if he knew how to build a winning football team.
He would have replied that he had been on some ‘winning football organizations’ so he knew how building one looked like it.
He knows how to give vague answers like any good politician.
YES!!! we got an A+….I knew KAM was a stud.
Grading All 31 NFL First-Round Picks From The 2023 Draft At The End Of The Regular Season (msn.com)
Pretty sure the Lambo helped.
Both batteries done. Did not piss off the guy at Costco. Duramax is purring like a kitten again.
Summary:
Jrob was accepted into heaven
Wren can’t tell the difference between fat white Vikings and fat black Vikings
Norse is guessing he won’t live to 120
Its a big bush if you can fit two birds in it according to Bow
Surly thinks the Vikings would have won the same number of playoff games the last 6 years with him as GM and Sloatergoat/Henieken at QB
Everyday feels like Tuesday when Foreskinface’s in laws are in town
Jrob is trying to learn from you guys, thinks there must be more to it lol
Bow suggests the Vikings abandoned the draft because sometimes rookies fail, VP suggests just disbanding the Vikings because of it
Wrenage expects nothing less than Benjammin seeing the word fellating when Wren types filleting
Eggslusher and wrenage talk about doing drugs
mjolnir sees no ramifications of weed use, its not like he repeats himself
Bow says to ask something called Lizohontas if skin color and genetics mean anything
Socal celebrates all his privelege
Bow admits he’s selfish and doesn’t want DE to get all the glory
MT likes rectum wrecker sauce
Norse took his meat out for his lady friend today
The Early Bird gets a mention in the Summary I see.
Well done!!!
Can’t wait to get to this part of today’s thread 😂
There comes a point in every man’s life where they just need to eat spaghetti.
That time is now…
Funny, lady friend invited me over tomorrow for it and i took meat out for tonight. I use mild Italian for meat, you?
Winter staple in our home. Wife uses ground turkey and zucchini noodles. Took a while to get accustomed to but it’s pretty much a weekly thing around here in the winter.
I had spaghetti for lunch. Yum.
Kyle Hamilton named All Pro…huh….
DIDN’T NEED HIM
Cine had a tackle that I heard about so at least we have that.
cine right now
Think he appeared in 8 games, on field for 17 D snaps. That pick sure worked out. Think most against Pukes getting our ass handed.
Looks like one tackle and one assist for the year.
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Format sure didn’t translate.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4426536/lewis-cine
The idea did though. But KAM said the other day he is still working hard and making good progress.
Maybe Booth can elevate but he prob rooms with couch. Headache, broken nail, stuff like that.
Give it time, guys. He’ll break out eventually, just like Irv.
But the Ravens are interested in playing solid defense.
Currently have a 4 browser race to see which will load the Costco battery finder website first. So far they are all failing.
Those durn Chevy batteries.
The stupid website doesn’t want to load. Finally got Edge to load only to tell me to check with the warehouse. Do you think anybody there has the time to answer a phone though? Of course not.
I bet they’re busy with lots of other people with the same issue.
I didn’t load shit and know nothing about no warehouse!
found some delicious bbq sauce the other night.
Stubbs Jalepano Honey.
it is DELICIOUS. just fyi
Sounds tasty. Sweet Jalapeno bbq is so good. I still need to post pictures form the bbq I had in Austin. We stayed right next to Stubbs but didn’t go lol.
I enjoy the Carolina Reaper Rectum Wrecker. Just an FYI, it has a hint of spiciness.
do you not enjoy spicy things?
ya baby
I didn’t even see it this morning when I drove to work but a guy blew through the stop sign at the terminus of the Bloomfield highway at the “T” with the Sidney highway estimated at 100 mph by the HP, would have been a great Dukes of Hazzard style shot. Apparently the pickup is quite some way off the road tires didn’t touch ground for many many yards.
Reply fail?
No, Freeze knows the intersection I’m talking about.
oh lordy, i know that intersection very well…..
He’s actually doing quite well physically. Probably a F-150. A Chevy Silverado he’d be toast.
How would a pop can be better to be in than something made of actual steel?
It’s military grade aluminum!
So strong you can put a screwdriver through the door with one hand. Good business for Ford though replacing those doors when people pop a screwdriver into em to break in.
my FIL is a ford only guy, so it might have been him
He’s probably not out roaming the countryside at 3 am.
he probably used to be if his cows got out…
but that was years ago. safe to say he was safe and sound in his home
Since I am the two time defending Skoloholics Survivor Pick champ and the Pickem champ, here are my predictions for the weekend games.
Houston 20
Cleveland 17.
Joe Flacco is not elite.
KC 23
Miami 16
Too cold for Tua
Buffalo 27
Pitt 17
Pitt doesn’t belong in the playoffs.
Dallas 30
Puke 17
FTP
Rams 24
Lions 23
Campbell gets too clever and effs it up
Philly 28
TB 20
Bowles and Mayfield aren’t ready for primetime.
Your welcome.
*you’re…
LOL.
Ok Ben.
Lol
ok 5
Solid picks.
I came alive toward the end of the season!
I really like pick-em league. I’m never sure what I’m doing exactly, but it is fun to try to puzzle it out during the week.
Hope you are wrong about the Rams and Philly. Time will tell.
You were hanging around.
You were co-champ in one of them last year. I think it was the survivor. I know because I was also the champ. This year I was too busy to remember to make picks or I would have won it myself.
Co champ is still the champ.
Don’t do bitter Bow….
Not bitter I just wanted to toot my own horn a little too. I’m selfish and don’t want you getting all the glory.
Selfish is better than bitter. Good job bow.
Ok. Fair enough.
I think the Eggles lose. They are in complete meltdown.
The rest of your picks I agree with, so we will both be wrong.
That’s the CW.
I think they are pissed.
I understand that the off season is crockpot recipe time. I just started my own recipe that we/I make frequently. I call it Salsa Chicken.
Line the bottom of the CP with corn to keep the meat from direct contact with the heat. Add Chicken thighs (I do 4-8 depending on current needs), top with salsa (about 1/3 jar). I let it sit for 8-10 hrs on low since I add the chicken right from the freezer. Serve over rice.
Since I shop at my Commissary I can normally make this for about $1 a meal and it only take a few minutes to get started. And it is pretty tasty to boot, different Salsas = different flavors.
So easy/cheap/tasty that even a privileged idiot like myself can handle it.
Sounds good!
Sounds simple and good!
For those of you that are not aware, today is not Tuesday.
It is Friday which a quirky cousin to Tuesday.
I checked the mythical words up top, I did in fact write Friday
See Surly’s comment.
Yes, but you also asked what the greatest need is for this team.
And, since some of us (me) think QB is need #1 in order to not suck when it matters, that kind of kicked off the maelestrom.
I will try to behave.
Oh, yeah the don’t talk about Kurt unless its Tuesday thing, I’m not gonna do that.
Makes no sense ben. Contract up March 13. It should be talked about, just me tho. QB is kinda a big football blog topic.
It does indeed make no sense. But for whatever the reason, people seem to lose their “senses” when QB1 comes up.
I did not start it. Sadly, I did engage though.
Zero willpower today.
Previously worked for BB in NE, wonder if BB goes to Washington
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1745845607816699997?s=20
pshhh just riding the coattails of tom brady and peyton manning…
Gross. Another 1/2 foot of powdery snow, on top of what we had this week.
And the wind is howling.
1/2 the outlaws made it – hit Omaha last night late and made the drive. Other 1/2 in the air and will have 45 miles of snow-covered I-80 to trek after landing – if the State Patrol doesn’t close down the interstate, which feels likely.
Been going in 15 minute increments since 5. Shovel, sweep, move snow, lay ice melt, freeze nads, go inside, unfreeze nads. Repeat. Goose has been a monster help howling at every plow that comes by and standing in my line of fire and running under shovel-fulls of snow as I toss it to the side.
Have yet to write one word of a eulogy for my FIL that I’ll deliver in a little over 24 hours.
I need more coffee.
Skol
Your eulogy is going to be great. I can tell just from the style of your posts!
Appreciate that. I’m not as confident. I’m a good public speaker – my wedding vows were epic, I roasted my wife and had the crowd in stitches, but I’m concerned about emotion overtaking me this time and not getting thru it.
You’ll do just fine. Because you have the strength and mental fortitude to pull this off.
It’s Friday.
FYI…It’s a non Kirk day.
i chuckled
I had to speak at my Brothers funeral, all three surviving brothers did.
I found that if I focus on what I want to say, who/what I am talking about, I can forget that I am standing in front of a bunch of people.
But then I seldom care what others think of me unless they are important/close to me, and their opinions of me won’t change that easily.
Dude, you’ll do it justice, you care so much and that will be evident no matter what. Even if you screw up, it’s funny. It reminds me of my wedding when the Pastor asked who gives this woman, her dad said, “My mother and I” instead of “Her mother and I” made us all laugh and he corrected himself, it was perfect. I’ll never forget it.
perhaps your eulogy should be like a bendumdum summary post….
say ridiculous things. everyone loves that.
I’ve got miles to go before I hit Benjammin level….
Goose does look cold.
I have all the Privilege!!
John Hopkins put out the Privilege List (later retracted) and I hit everyone of them.
Yeah Me!!
-Males
-Whites
-Christians
-Mid-aged people
-Able-bodied people
-Middle & owning class
-English-speaking people
https://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-dei-office-issues-privilege-list-company-newsletter-apologizes-backlash
Just think how much more I could have done with my life if I had know and used all the Privilege growing up as a Poor Hispanic Child (Mothers maiden name Villa).
An interesting question is it still privileged if you were born or raised one thing but are not longer that thing? I was raised Christian, played bass in church band every Sunday for like 5 years growing up lol. So do I too have all the privilege being longer Christian?
Yes. If you are not a total dirt bag or outwardly a Muslim you are by default a Christian.
Well I was baptized and even in high school refused to confirmation but became a charter/founding member of the church I was playing bass in so still a confirmed member of a church… but I am no longer a Christian.
I look like my father (white Kentucky farm boy) but the rest of my family takes after my mom.
I ‘identify’ as Californios (actual census designation) but people see me as ‘white’.
Not sure it that is the best or worst of both worlds.
My closest friend from the Rez is like 6’5 white with red hair… but very native. His mom is native, dad Irish. Crazy how that works sometimes.
Canelo Alvarez is the Most Irish Looking Mexican Fighter ever.
I grew up with a kid who was half irish half south american of some sort, I think dominican or something. His dad had that super irish, almost orangy colored red hair. Out of the four siblings, they all had fairly dark complexion and coarse afro consistency hair but this kid was the only one that ended up with his father’s hair color, I’ve never seen anything like it since I left my hometown.
I am the only one in my family who looked like my dad. I understand Canelo is the only one in his family that looks Irish.
I’m not sure I can consider myself a ‘throw back’ but the kid you mentioned and Canelo seem to be.
Genetics and skin color don’t really mean anything. Just ask Lizohontas.
Well if I look white then people give me privilege because of it I guess.
I don’t Identify as white so I don’t act like I have privilege, I believe.
As Edge pointed out, ‘which has more effect’??
Since I don’t identify as white but others see me as white maybe I have only 6.5 of 7 of the listed privileges?
Depends on which side of the political aisle you are on.
I’m Norwegian and pay taxes in the US and Minny. Am i privileged?
Norwegian is about as white as it gets.
I’m what they call a dark Norwegian tho. Tan pretty good. Not sure where that puts me.
My old man is the same way. Big Norwegian. Tans really well. I do too.
DEI supporters have raised the issue of Black Vikings.
Some say they immigrated from Constantinople and others say they were Mongolians.
All agree they were a very small percentage but more than zero.
Privileged? Just hoping i don’t get kicked to the curb to make room for asylum seekers.
I am hoping that by the time all of that nonsense makes its way to Idaho I will be too old and senile to know/understand what is going on.
If you have time…this is worth the 30 minutes listen. It’s Stossel interviewing a former black DEI instructor who goes into pretty good detail about what is wrong with the DEI movement.
Highly recommend it.
I might make it a required part the orientation at our company.
Been on a health Journey that I am finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I have coached football for the last 12 years and this year my blood pressure as some of you know was in the 200s. Stepped down from coaching, really focused on my health both physically and mentally. Since the end of October to today down from about 295 to this morning was 264. Lightest I’ve been in my adult life. I need new pants haha. This is about what I weighed Sophomore/Junior year of high school. I have more to lose but I am naturally a big dude. Had a full physical, blood work done and my numbers aren’t just OK they are mostly great, all of them… except the blood pressure. Found out that a big piece of the puzzle is hereditary, my mom has been battling high blood pressure in the 160s since she was in her 30s and she wasn’t big like I am… thanks mom lol. Had a doctor’s appointment Monday, blood pressure had been hanging around the 160s for about the last month, sometimes higher, sometimes a little lower and I was feeling kind of frustrated but trying a new combo of meds starting Monday night and this week it’s finally in steady decline. Today in the 130s. This combo of meds seems to be doing the trick. Besides the meds I have been taking a long list of trying different supplements as well. I am working out basically every morning for usually 45-60 minutes and a few days after work doing more just straight cardio a few times a week. I am eating healthier and drinking less but still enjoying life. We go on vacation I’m having some good food and drink but working out hard in the morning, drinking water between old fashioneds or a beer lol. Started an incredible meditation app called Waking Up, I cannot recommend it enough to everyone. Has totally changed my relationship with stress and anxiety. Anyway, life is good, everyone stay warm.
Nice work Edge. They call it the silent killer. One day just gone. One may not feel they have high BP. Gessing you have own machine to keep tabs on it.
Yup, when I was first diagnosed (not as far along as Slush) my Dr told me that his father had no/few symptoms like me but they lost him quickly. He wanted me to avoid that fate.
He convinced me to take it seriously enough to make the changes.
UPS buddy died in October, was going to retire this month. Life is indeed short and can be very fragile. He was 60.
Damn, shit’s scary.
Right, and it would have been for me. I never, ever go to the doctor because I am very healthy otherwise. I only go when I have been very sick which is like 3 times in the last decade they probably wrote of some elevated blood pressure to being sick. Who knows how long I have actually been dealing with this shit.
I do have my own machine but I have bad white coat hypertension that thing turning on and making noise makes my blood pressure go up haha. But it’s getting better. When I was in on Monday they nurse strapped me to a machine and it was like 180 and the doc knowing my history and response to those machines gave me a few minutes and hand did it and it was 160 lol.
I get it. I had to do physicals every 2 years at UPS. i’d spike all the time, they’d put me in a room on bed to calm down. WHITE COAT! I have it.
I’d check at home and BP is 130-125/75-85. Guy with white coat straps me it’s 155/100. WTF?
I’ve never had that issue but it does make me curious about something else. Did you struggle with extra anxiety taking tests in school too?
Think mostly cuz i’m a bit of quiet person. Not real engaging i social situations. Like my space.
same, I hate new social situations… gives me… ANXIETY lol.
Yup. Weed.
I have to be careful with weed. It sometimes would give me a paranoid response but since my blood pressure has lowered it hasn’t affected me as much… have to keep experimenting lol.
The key to weed paranoia is when you start to feel paranoid…… smoke more weed.
Repeat until paranoia goes away or you fall asleep.
Be advised that if you’re anything like me, the next morning after the experiment there will be sugar-free Worthers wrappers everywhere.
hahaha, man no. I can’t go that route. I’ve had a band practice in a previous band, one of the guys had a new electronic water dab bong… he was like who wants to hit it. I was like I’ll try it, first hit I thought I screwed up and didn’t get anything, I couldn’t see any smoke but could taste it, so I went in for a 2nd… fuck that was a mistake. Ended up the room next to the band room for a while in a chair, eventually waddled into the band room and said someone needs to drive me home lol haha.
Lmao….. been there. Had a buddy who had a machine-cut stainless steel bong. Bad idea – couldn’t see the smoke build and it would just wreck me.
I feel duty bound to point out that excessive marijuana use can have very serious side effects and ramifications. Some are more tolerant than others but it is not a completely harmless drug.
I like the gummies.
Couch-lock level has only been obtained once, and I had a strong seltzer at the same time.
Even though TCH is not completely harmless, I still feel it is way better than booze overall.
Yes, I first tried marijuana when I was like 28 and it was an edible. I felt so heavy, the couch lock was real and I slept SO GOOD!
I see no ramifications…. Its not like I repeat myself…
I see no ramifications…. Its not like I repeat myself…
Yeah it’s a real term called “White Coat Hypertension” lol. For exactly that reason.
I get the same. Mine goes up at least 20 points at the Doc office. Especially when they use those hands free electronic blood pressure machines.
Right? Same here, even with my one at home, sometimes I have to take it a few times.
I bet you get strapped by guys in white coats all the time.
Think i worry about the copay. Gougers.
Pfft a tiny slice of the monster UPS pension.
LOL, stay warm MT.
It’s gonna be farking cold the next three days. Hunkering at the shouse. Might venture out tomorrow I have five monster burn piles that I stacked up with deadfall this past summer.
I believe the white coat hypertension. When I am in the doctors office I have to consciously prepare myself to calm down just before they do the blood pressure.
You’ve also done a good job of relaxing during the DRE, we appreciate that.
I’ll never understand how the prop guys manage to hang the CXR backwards every single time.
Maybe it’s become such a thing they have do it on purpose now. Just like every time someone use to hang up a phone on someone in movies there would be a dial tone… that doesn’t happen! But it was always a thing they did.
My wife “loves” when I point out during a movie – that MRI that is being referenced is a CT! It’s normal! There is no mass there! This is all fake!
For some reason the phone dial thing always gets me. The other one is when they have someone on screen playing guitars or drums… I’m always like… they don’t know what they are doing or sometimes I am elated and going… they are playing the right shit!
I recently watched the movie “Whiplash” for the first time. I have to say Miles Teller looked very authentic using traditional grip.
I sadly have never seen that movie but have heard good things from multiple people.
Glad for you.
I have seen what High Blood Pressure can do to me so I work on avoiding it. Not working in the Prison Pressure Cooker has helped, so does eating right and getting exercise.
Have not had to go the Meds route yet and hope to never have to. Staying on top of it is key, but it just takes a few changes to the routine.
Dude, seriously try that Waking Up app. It’s not woo-woo hippy dippy bullshit. You get a week free.
Nice progress. Sounds like you are on a good track. Keep it up!
Thanks man!
Excellent work Slush.
Way to “tackle” the problem.
Yeah when I take something on as a challenge I don’t quit until I get results. Probably to a fault sometimes, thank man!
Great progress and you are correct about heredity. Seems you are doing all the right things to include getting the right “med package. ” Cardio is always a great stress and anxiety reliever.
I was medicated for anxiety when playing college football. I have always been a high strung person. So doing that Waking Up app has been incredibly helpful. I talk with a therapist usually once a week. I wasn’t taking any chances. I have a lot of life left to live to fullest!
I got put on anxiety meds. I still have the prescription actually. That stuff erodes a person from the inside out. I got better at managing it once I realized I don’t get any points for filleting myself.
Plus, it helped to finally hear someone say, “Well, shit…if I was in your position, I would have anxiety, too!” instead of just saying, “Eh, what’s the big deal? I once was in position X once, which was way worse.”
I always try to remember that when dealing with folks. It is tempting when a person is telling you they have a problem to respond with, “Whatever. I once in a more challenging situation…”
I was on Cymbalta and HATED IT! I will continue to recommend anyone with anxiety or anyone that just wants a better understanding of their own mind… that Waking Up app is incredible.
I don’t know which one I have currently. I did try one that I hated, as well. That stuff was cure-was-worse-than-the-disease all the way.
The first pill I took, it literally felt like something zapped my brain, and I zonked big-time. I remember I was supposed to drive to a golf course to interview the owner, and I ended up driving to a completely different course.
It was like, okay, time-out, this can’t be good…
I get it, I felt numb and weird and when I forgot to take it I got really light headed and fuzzy. Hated it.
When I first read this I thought it said fellating
Completely understandable. I expect nothing less!
Much Respect Edge! I have stalled out after losing about 20 pounds.
Thanks appreciate it. I kept hitting walls for like a week and then I reset and hit it harder again. The best part is, the winter is usually in my past when I would go up.
Heredity really can give you some bad stuff. I’ve battled with high cholesterol for decades. Part of it has to do with my weight and people like to point that out because partly it’s true and because some people are just mean spirited and have no empathy. But this past year I participated in a dna study for Mayo and found out that I have a defective gene that causes Hypercholesterolemia. My genes don’t regulate cholesterol correctly. It is hereditary. My sister is a stick and eats healthy and her cholesterol was in the 300s before they got her on meds. While we can work hard and try to be healthy, sometimes you just have to deal with what you are dealt.
Agreed, it’s the same for me with my BP, yes I am a big dude, yes I am losing weight. BUT, when literally every number they can find in my physical, cholesterol, triglycerides, blood sugar, everything my doc said they weren’t even in the normal range they were mostly in the really great range but blood pressure through the roof… there’s some hereditary stuff going on. Made me feel a little better too know my mom is in her 60s and has been battling this since her 30s. I got real out of wack a while there when I first got my diagnosis and the first set of meds weren’t really helping. Ugh, shit’s scary.
Congrats!
My BP was never that high, but it is in the high-normal range.
avoided all meds so far, but proper diet is the hard part of the diet and exercise combo for me. I work out every morning.
Less booze this month, and no more holiday treats for me.
I don’t like being on meds but not much of a choice when you come in with BP at 210 haha.
Tried for years to not take meds – to include running 30 miles a week diet, etc. Eventually started and really haven’t look back and should have done so earlier.
If it works, go with it.
True true.
How a business guy (no GM experience) would go about draft.
First. Goal – win division and be able to play a competitive game in NFC Championship game.
How – (some guessing) a top 5 offense and 10 -12 defense. Or, a 1-3 defense and maybe 10 -12 defense. Given KOC is offensive coach and out strength is WR group – going with first choice,
Gap analysis – where’s offense? Don’t have time here, for fun ask with Kirk, JJ, Hock and everyone else we have all healthy, can we be top five? We do have a lot of guys now with two years experience running this offense ( a complicated, but good one).
Defense – need a lot of help Maybe another stud to go with Hunter and pick up a capable DB that can cover ( at least some).
If, and this. would be the tough analysis, can offense with our talent be top 5 and defense with suggested help (and Flores) be 10 – 12?
If I’m feeling good at this point 64000 dollar question. is Kirk’s health – leg and overall. Their would be a lot of talk with medical experts here. Could I count on him for 3 years. If so, we work on money. If not, what to do – maybe roll with Mullens/Hall for now since they know the offense, and start with defense talent and get QB later.
Just some thoughts how a business guy might think.
This is from Matthew Coller, and is his take on using a Vet QB (Like Kirko) to try for a super bowl
I agree with this. Time to start over and rebuild a team that can be competitive.
Kirk is not Tom Brady.
Keeping Kirko is def an “all in now” move, but I do not think the team has enough talent to do that, so that is why I prefer a rebuild now vs after three more years of Kirk and just above average fails.
Without Cousins, we’ll have way below average fails for a couple years minimum though. The Redskins have been non-competitive going on 7 years now after Cousins left, but they have the #2 pick in the draft, 8 other draft picks, and over $86M in cap space. Next year they might be decent, and the following year really good. That would mean it took 8 to 9 years to recover from letting Cousins walk.
Does that mean KAM should do whatever is necessary to sign Cousins? Probably not. The cost to keep Cousins is going to be steep. Who will KAM turn to, to lead the team in the future? No idea.
Could it be a LONG time before the Vikings are good? It could.
I think KAM and the Vikings are not as dysfunctional as the Washington commies.
Just because that team has been in QB hell since Kirko left, that does not guarantee the Vikings will suffer the same fate. Although the Vikings have not been good at drafting a QBOTF, this current regime has not really tried that yet.
A less expensive QB on a rookie deal allows the team more flexibility with the rest of the roster.
If we have way below average fails for a couple years after moving on, but then finally improve, I am great with that.
We’ll see Surly. I provided a real world example. You have nothing but if’s, and but’s to present. Theoreticals.
Will the Vikings history turn out like the Redskins? Maybe, maybe not. All I’m saying is we do have a real live, no shit, example to look at.
A less expensive QB allows more flexiibilty – if you make the right pick, if not you set the team further back.
I would simply ask – your last statement – why do that if you don’t have too.
I’d rather move on, rebuild, and get better with a chance to win it all in 2-4 years vs sign up for 2-4 more years of what we had the last 6.
If a championship can be had with this current roster, great.
I am skeptical.
Rebuild
I think every year every team better be in a stage of rebuild trying to be better the next year.
I DO NOT believe we can get to the conference championship with our present team.
I simply maintain before they take even one step in any direction, figure out the exact gaps to fix first and then have a plan to fix that in the most effective and efficient manner possible.
Yeah look how bad the Texans are with a rookie QB. No chance a team can be competitive until a guy has been in the league for at least 3 years.
Landing a C.J is close to impossible. Like your idea tho.
He’s just the most recent example of it doesn’t take 3 years no matter what. Burrow got to the SB in his first full year as a starter after tearing his ACL. Mahomes didn’t take 3 years. Allen, while not making the SB made the Bills competitive in year 2.
I love it – pick the 3 best generational talents in the NFL at this time.
Tell me the odds of picking one?
I’m not against “risk” as some suggest here – what he hell nothing ventured etc. I would rather “manage” risk in a favorable way.
I’ll go to Vegas and play cards, not so much rollette.
I’m just pointing out that it isn’t guaranteed that they will be bad for at least 3 years by picking a QB. There have been many more examples but that was just a quick list off the top of my head. Why can’t the Vikings be the next team to have “the guy”? They sure won’t if they don’t try. Dak was pretty good right away. Russell Wilson beat out a vet with a big money contract his rookie year. Goff was in the SB quick. Lamar and the Ravens were good when he started playing.
For sure they could not be bad at all or perhaps for ever. But i believe in meritoricy – not this prevailing BS.
Mahomes took over for Smith because he was better at that point. DAK took over for Romo because he was better. Rams got Stafford because he was better than Goff. And Wilson beat out the prevailing scrub. All put a better QB on the field – there was not one moment of “suck” period.
If we do this correctly, we don’t have to either. Find a QB better than Kirk but don’t put him on the field until he can play better.just like all your examples did.
It’s also not guaranteed we will be good. How many rookie qbs fail?
How many rookies fail? Should probably just avoid the draft completely.
Exactly. We should probably just disband the team.
There does seem to be different failure rates depending on which position. Just guessing, but would think WR picks a td easier than QB.
LOL.
Correct.
unpossilble bow. unpossible. “don’t even try this” is all we here. “It’s not worth the risk”. Blah, blah, blah…..
Here is a take you are going to agree some and disagree some.
This collier guy mentioned above, I have no idea who he is.
Now, last week was talking with a very knowledgeable NFL guy (former SB winning QB).
His take – we run one of the most (if not #1) sohphisticated offenses in the NFL. Unlike the Niners with is QB friendly, ours is WR friendly to maximize their talents and requires certain QB talents. The scheme will get guys open and if the QB can do his job correctly, big plays.
You have suggested altering the offense – why? BSF and others have shown screen shoots and we have WR’s open all over the place. Just get the right guy to drive the car.
And if you are going to draft a QB, you better make damn sure he can run “our offense.” Most of the bridge guys mentioned here are a waste, stick with Mullens for now.
Well, screen shots of open receivers is fools gold IMO, JR. Watch the all 22 version of our games. It’s a miracle we complete as many passes as we do. Our receivers do not separate well, and they especially don’t “win quick” off the line. They’re all out there making multiple moves, while looking at the defense, and not the QB. The QB has to see this unfold and wait for routes to develop. Then about the time that happens, he’s getting crushed. The Niners offense runs a LOT of timing routes. Purdy takes his drop, hits his back foot, and the ball is out. The Niners offense is very good, and in fact one of the best in the league. On the other hand, KOC’s scheme requires a very cerebral, experienced QB, with great arm talent to run. Without THAT guy, it’s not a good offense at all.
2-3 move WR’s you better have a damn good O-line. We don’t. Like a flat out speed guy like Hill, changes things.
Well I used example for folks here as they had seenthe shots. I get a lot of stuff from PFF with several different angles.
Just my opinion, we have a great offense. Given our receivers, with just “adequate” protection and a smart QB with an arm it will roll against any defense in the league.
True about Brady for sure. Stafford, Ryan not so much. And I said be competitave at NFC Championship – get there and play a solid game and let the chips fall.
Kirk is not ” all in. now”. It is merely an evaluation of present condition – no more
I am of the belief, if I build the team correctly (as. the Rams did), I can get the QB later as needs dictate.
To me rebuild is merely a word – in business, football, whatever, you are always in some form of rebuild.
Unlike many, I try to leave the love?hate Kirk of “initial” planning.
But he is certainly every bit of Matt Ryan and then some.
My personal opinion is if Cousins played behind the offensive lines Brady has, with the offensive schemes and players Brady has, you might have a different perspective.
It would seem context is out of vogue. Ryan played for Shanahan in one of the most QB friendly systems in football. Jimmy G who can barely throw outside the numbers, with the same system went to the SB.
False, Matt Ryan in his prime won an MVP and went to the SB, Kirk has never reached either
Cousins >>>> Ryan, Ben DumDum
I mean, yeah right now he is, Ryan doesn’t even play anymore
Kirk is good enough to compete for a division.
But paying Kirk’s high salary makes it tough to get the talent around him to go all the way. That’s always been the challenge. Rinse. Repeat. Fail.
Kirk was the side show (and I mentioned money). But you as a business guy understand goals/ gap assessment scenario’s stuff.
First question – no one answered – can you get to the NFC Championship game and be competitive (not like 2017) with a top 5 offense and 10-12 defense?
As long as your team doesn’t get into a 4th and 8 scenario in the playoffs.
You for sure would be my strategic planner and the guy I want choosing the next QB
Hay, Uncle Joe could use your help.
Just a snark.
The help Uncle Joe needs I cannot provide. My wife worked at a nursing home for a few years though so she has experience working with dementia patients and she watched her grandma go through it.
I know and Joe is an idiot beyond help. And if I might say – a sorry son of a bitch!
I guess I’m not following your line of thinking.
The answer is a yes on the top 5 offense and 10-12 defense. I would say defense needs to be better than that. QB needs to make plays when SHTF.
But claiming 2017 doesn’t count or isn’t competitive seems off.
Think 2017 was a b it fake – got lucky as hell in first round and then the championship game wasn’t all that competitive.
I’m merely suggesting evaluating where we are at – sort of fairly. And if we can get there with a top5 offense and 10-12 defense – how far are we from that.
Don’t think we were as good as record last year or as bad this year. Sort of trying to frame where we’re at in a more objective way.
And me personally, I think the let’s just draft the QBOFT is superficial and a bit shallow.
PPG The Vikings finished 14th on defense and 22nd on offense
So a planner might say what are the circumstances to these stats. Injuries maybe? Is our defense really closer than the offense is to the goal?
We’d then start diving deeper.
IDK I just pulled up the numbers. Last year the offense was around 10, the d was I think 31st. Either way, generally speaking you can win a SB with being top 10 in both.
The Vikings have won the division once in since 2018 and have finished at least 3 games behind the division winner every other season. I would not call that competing for the division.
Well, I agree.
I’m just answering the broad question.
I got slammed yesterday for asking if we competed for a division since we technically were alive week 16. That was shot down. Yet when Kirk goes 8-8-1 that’s enough to keep him to “compete” for a division title.
Overall, the Vikings haven’t competed for a division much since Kirk arrived, so why people think we should keep doing it is baffling to me.
I agree, it just isn’t working
Guess we should go the detroit route get rid of Stafford and bring in a better QB
Not sure it would be classified as a “better” QB.
Once you get to a certain level, you can swap out QB’s and players to see if it works.
Point being, after the last 6 years of it not working, try something new and see what sticks.
Sure, get a bunch of picks and a good QB, they just won their first NFCN division title ever and are in the playoffs while the Vikings are sitting at home diddling themselves like they have 75% of the seasons with Cousins.
and the other team won a SB that couldn’t with the other QB.
I’m really trying to learn from you guys. I’m sort of stuck sometimes thinking there must be more to it.
I don’t really see a lot of difference between Stafford/Goff/Cousins and I’m guessing in a head to head comparison Cousins has the best record.
But I’m trying to learn.
That’s your first mistake.
It’s like taking an ethics class taught by Biden.
that must be what it is – a lot of folks took that class. Can see it in the posts.
Guess I should sign up.
According to Kyle Shanahan, Cousins is good enough to win a Super Bowl… so I’ll take his opinion over yours, if you don’t mind.
Top paid QB’s in the NFL:
Tell me again how it’s HIS contract destroying the team? Total bullshit argument.
anyone else feel like this was the longest week ever?
is it because the holidays the last 2 weeks?
is it because we don’t deserve good things?
i don’t know why it is, but holy smokes it has dragged by
First full work week in awhile for me, so yes. Taking forever.
And of course, as Vikings fans we do not deserve good things.
Glad it is Friday, and I can stay indoors (except for taking the dogs out) all weekend and watch football.
everyday i woke up i had to question what day it was and it seemed like it was tuesday every day this week….
i’m sure the in laws being in town and staying with us had NOTHING to do with that
Can confirm…..
Snow/cold/wind coming to minny, the party is over.
Depends on who you believe, but we are supposed to get anywhere between 6 to 14 inches of snow today (Western Wis) and then temps are dropping. Highs Sunday to Tuesday are supposed to be around 0 with lows in the negative teens. January has finally arrived.
Weather people like to cover their ass, change it constantly.
Carlin forecast:
Dark tonight, continued dark overnight with widely scattered light in morning.
Carlin auto rec!
Already here in Lincoln.
I’ve been saying it all winter… Mother Nature usually finds a way to get even.
Tried to get some ice fishing in but can’t get a wheelhouse on lake cuz of ice. Now we’ll get ice but freeze nads off. Seeing highs of -8 Sunday in East Central MN.
Bye bye nads!
Meant West Central but you got my. Cold tends to make fish a bit lethargic also. No win situation.
-15 and snowing here this morning. My wife had to work early so I took the kids to school and of course my pickup wouldn’t start. Anybody know anybody who’s good at changing vehicle batteries? I have 2 of them to replace in this crap weather.
Freeze will have done in 1-2 weeks.
It’s cold by bow, so you may need to add a few days to that estimate. It will also depend on the personalities of the workers at the auto parts places near bow.
Poor freeze, hey, he opened the window.
TWO batteries??? fuggedaboutit
One was easy to get to. The other had the below monstrosity on it, was tucked under the firewall a bit and the negative terminal under the firewall overhang was corroded as shit. Batteries are out though so now a run to the store in a bit, new ones in and we’ll be good for a couple years.
Was your pickup outside?
Yeah. I don’t have a garage big enough for more than a four wheeler. 2 four wheelers if I clean up really well. Luckily I have access to a heated shop so I don’t have to freeze my fingers trying to get the batteries in and out.
How’d you get the vehicles in the heated shop? Can you pull 2 ton pickups with your bare hands?
Used a battery charger to get my pickup started this morning, dropped the kiddos off and drove it to said shop and I’ll use my work vehicle to run to the store.
Aha! Now I got it.
Dropped my newer F-150 at Furd today for three fairly simple recalls. Appointments not until 2 so she’ll be mighty chilly by the time they put ‘er in the shop.
Wonder what kind of haul you’d get fo JJ,not promoting is, just asking.
I think his stock has fallen a bit after this season, and I don’t really understand the economics of draft picks, so I’m just going to throw this out for people to laugh at:
A first and two seconds…
*shrug*
I don’t think his stock has fallen. Dude went over 1000 missing a bunch of games and with multiple QBs, proof he can produce no matter what.
Possible.
I have a degree of JJ blindness. I think he’s good, but he doesn’t make me giddy. If I had to pick between him or Tyreke Hill, I’d take Hill.
But I freely admit, this could be pure foolishness.
I said this when he was coming out of college… he didn’t seem flashy to me as far as a physical specimen. He’s not a Tyreek, or Moss, or Megatron, he doesn’t beat you with pure athletic ability. Obviously he has elite athletic ability but he’s not those guys. Who he is is more of a faster Chris Carter or Larry Fitz, I think JJ could have a much longer productive career because he doesn’t have to rely on having to burn people (but he can), or being just bigger and stronger. The guy will beat you with smart routes, and insane focus.
He’s maybe like Jerry Rice?
From what I remember, Rice didn’t seem like a unicorn, but he kept putting up numbers.
He wasn’t. Ho-hum 40 time. But the tape didn’t lie. His game day speed was very different than his timed speed – I don’t remember him ever getting caught from behind. And the work ethic – legendary conditioning regiment. He’s the 2nd greatest football player of all time in my opinion, right behind Lawrence Taylor.
Yeah, Moss is my all-time favorite football player, but I don’t have any issue with folks putting Rice ahead of him on any receiver list.
I remember a little bit of Lawrence Taylor. He was a monster.
If nothing else he is a faster and more physically gifted Thielen.
Very fluid in his routes, crisp in and out of cuts and a smart route runner that understands leverage and how to use it. I’ve been thoroughly impressed with his contested catch ability and toughness. Not many alligator-arm highlights with JJ….
not only does he make me giddy, he makes me griddy
this will be us tonight
Video or it doesn’t count! lol
Not bad freeze.
ate at the dock cafe this past weekend, it was DEAD on a saturday night, overpriced food, that place is dying. only good for a summer lunch outside on the patio. won’t be going back for anything but that
Love the patio on a nice summer day. Seems to be the new world. Prices up, service and quality down.
lots of better/more fun places for dinner than the dock that i will be visiting.
LoLo’s
Stillwater Proper
Brick and Bourbon
Feller
Pfft they’re no Beer Jug.
I ate there once, in the summer. The view on the patio was great, but the food was awful
Never went back.
I remember before I lived here, back in like 2010ish I ate at a restaurant on the river in the TC that was like an old steamboat or something, I remember it had the big round paddle thing on the back.
not only is JJ better than Chase, he griddy’s better too
That deserves a thumbs up freeze. Good job.
I think JJ is someone the team will keep because he sells tickets.
I would still trade him for picks.
Good thing I am not a GM, because the team would not have ever extended Kirko and we would be still rolling with SLOTERGOAT and Heineken
And probably have the same number of playoff wins the last 6 years.
Yes, JJ is a cash machine. I concur with that. I know people that don’t even carry about football who now sport JJ jerseys.
I, too, would probably take the picks because I view it as a way to jumpstart the team out of perpetual middle-of-the-road. But, again, that is dependent on nailing the draft, and I’m not too confident about that either.
This is not meant just for you, it is more of a general comment. I dislike when people want to get trade the best or one of the best players to get more very uncertain draft picks. There’s an old saying. One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
I know, i love JJ. Like to extend him and Darrisaw. Mostly the qb is a dark cloud.
I have successfully repressed my desire to make a juvenile response.
I’m disappointed. After I typed that I realized it was kind of low hanging fruit.
That’s a big bush if you can get 2 birds in it. Maybe time for some clippers.
how many racoons can you get in it though
They’d get what KC got for Tyreek Hill. Maybe just slightly more but its pretty much the same situation, here’s what they got.
Prob close, i just don’t like this rebuild crap. I ain’t living to 120, just a guess.
I think they’d get a bit more given JJ is quite a bit younger and hasn’t hit his prime. Not a boatload more, but a bit better.
That and a team trading for JJ could have him under team control for multiple season without having to sign him to a massive contract, whereas Hill held all of the leverage as far as where he would sign, which decreased the amount of offers the Chefs got, I think in the end only two teams made an offer. I would imagine quite a few more would do so for JJ.
For some reason I also thought today was the 13th when I got up
Jerod Mayo the new Head Coach in New England?
Patriots hire Jerod Mayo to replace Bill Belichick, sources say – ESPN
Looks that way, and since their was already a succession plan they don’t have to interview anyone else.
Apparently it was decided a year ago that he would succeed BB, I wonder if it was decided a year ago that this would be BB’s last year though
https://x.com/ChadGraff/status/1745804287765000545?s=20
Vikings biggest need:
That’s a tough one. We have entire levels that are a need, but if I can pick only one, I’d like to see a guy in the middle of the DL that can bust things up.
I’m not even sure I could name our IDL right now. I think there is that Philips guy. I don’t even know who else is there. Back in the day we had the Williams wall. We even had Jerry Ball who once pancaked Aikmen into a concussion.
Really, you could probably sub our OL center and our DL nose tackles in and out for each other, and I wouldn’t even notice it.
Before the Williams wall there was John Randle and Henry Thomas, they didn’t have a fancy nickname, they just beat the shit out of QBs. For some reason they let Thomas leave and go to Detroit. I think he finished with like 100 sacks for his career.
We have had some very awesome guys on the DL. Right now we are really lacking.
Decent rotational guys from that era too. Al Noga, Roy Barker, Brad Culpepper….
Yeah, the Vikings biggest need is defense haha. Corners too.
I hope everyone is ready for Wintermageddon: The Wintering!
Tomorrow will be a good day to hunker down and watch some football.
This is why the season shouldn’t even start until November. Too many nice Sundays in September and October where one can do other things. Then imagine having football to watch watch and follow all the way through the crappiest part of winter.
It would be amazing! Even if you needed Peacock to get the full effect…
A mock Draft:
Minnesota Vikings 2024 Mock Draft: Minnesota Reloads on Defense With Kool-Aid McKinstry and Payton Wilson (msn.com)
Edge > CB R1
CBS Sports has the Vikes taking an Edge Rusher in Round 1.
Laiatu Latu EDGE
UCLA • SR • 6’5″ / 265 LBS
2024 NFL Mock Draft: Three quarterbacks taken in Round 1 as Bears move on from Justin Fields with No. 1 pick – CBSSports.com
Saw that, if Hunter bolts a serious need, amongst 50 other. they may roll with Mullens/Dobbs. Sounds dumb but maybe.
QB>both
True but risk reward analysis would say only if you make right pick.
Did you get the e-mail issue resolved?
Yes, out of pergatory for now. Thanks.
Glad to hear!
True of all positions
QB
Then Center
Then D Line
Then LB
Then CB
Then Safety
Probably draft 3 WR……
and Guard
TGIF
FTP
SKOL
FIRST!
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!