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Question of the Day
Someone asked about favorite or best vocalists of all time yesterday. The GOAT is Aretha hands down, as far as male, its Freddy Mercury. This is fact and not up for discussion, though you could consider Whitney Houston, Frank Sinatra, Al Green, Karen Carpenter in the next tier. As far as my personal favorite, I can’t pick one, but my top five favorites are Barry White, Paul Westerberg, Bradley Nowell, Mike Ness, and Randy Travis. I’ll post the media selection of my favorite song of each for the rest of the week starting with who passed the earliest. Who is/are your favorite vocalists all time?
Yesterday Summary
In case you missed it…
Idiots like Surly will clamor for a rookie next season, he also looks forward to bird tears
According to Freezey, the reason our country did so well from 2017-2021 is because obama had everything EXACTLY where we needed to be
VP states that 15 million people will die when there isn’t enough electrical producing plants to heat homes. Another 25 million people will die when all of the nuclear plants malfunction
MT makes TL;DR post
Wren gives advice on apocalypse transportation
Mjolnir wouldn’t waste his drugs on RGIII, thinks he enjoys the aroma of his own farts
According to wren, kickers bully Mond
Socal suggests “hot bunking”
Abe Lincoln picture posted in the mythical words up top in honor of the 159th anniversary of his death
Norse suggests Kfey is most peculiar
Its taken MT 2.4 years to move 500 feet
Jrob wonders if Jewish people will stop sleeping so long
Highly unlikely to reach 420 comments today
Media Selection
RIP Bradley Nowell and damn heroin.
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Curse of Oak Island is on tonight. They are now three episodes beyond the projected 20 they had scheduled for the season. In addition, there doesn’t seem to be any other shows scheduled, but there’s no “finale” for the season. Weird. I’m thinking this week is a discovery, maybe followed by a big finish next week of some sort. This season has been pretty slow so far. Not sure if they have actually gotten to something, or just running out of things to show.
Twinkies down 7-0 after 3 innings already.
They might be ‘just a bit outside’ today.
At least the Twins made a game of it and ‘only’ lost 11-3.
They did manage more hits than strikeouts today by a grand total of 7-6.
Derek Carr thinks the Vikings need not necessarily draft a passer in nine days. Instead he seems to think Sam Darnold is the quarterback of the future for the Vikings.
Now that’s a bold take. Career 59% completion rate, and 63 TD’s to 56 interceptions. I guess there’s a chance…
Ummm but it wasn’t his fault?
Bad teams/coaches/etc.
Bad play is on the player…
Unless his last name is Cousins right? He never has bad play. Just bad play calls, coaches, schemes, wrs, etc.
why the saints QB putting out opinions about the Vikings QB?
I think he is working for the NFL Network…
I was joking, David Carr works for the network, his brother Derek is the saints QB
Falcoons have the easiest strength of schedule next year. Hoping they get smoked post season.
Why?
1998
Laughing… hold a grudge much?
Back on the course for the first time since November. 86. Not terrible.
Dude I was paired up with shot a hole in one.
Never seen one before. 138 yard wedge with a slight draw. Bounced once to the left and rolled in. Mine was up hill and rolled down a ridge and never saw it.
Hope you all behaved today!
🤣
Congratulations. That’s really good for not playing since November. Shoot, it’s just plain really good.
Thanks.
Its about as good as I get.
Might get to low 80s once a year.
‘Hope you all behaved today!’
What is that phrase?
‘Hope in one hand and poop in the other and see which fills up first’.
Congratulations.
I have to admit, you all intimidate me. Even at the top of my form I’ve never broken 100.
Thanks.
Been playing 50 years this year.
Hopefully I learned something.
From ladies tee’s? LMAO.
Old man tees, yes.
About 6,000 yards.
Just a little grief DE.
No worries.
I got no distance anymore.
Young guns I was playing with hitting 300 yard drives.
Played the game. 4 some dried up. Back doesn’t take the torque it used to. Called aging.
Pretty impressive DE. Did you kill or maim anyone on the course? That is my divining line for a successful round these days.
Thanks.
Might be my best round all year.
I can’t usually get much better than that.
It’s a really good score. Have to keep the ball in play consistently to do that. Nice!
Another Tuesday Kirk discussion? Oh well….
I’m not for selling the farm to draft a QB, but, we have two first round draft picks, if a good one is available, go get him.
We simply could not afford to keep Cousins around, with his required guarantees and cost. He will be missed, but he is gone. So, it is time to jump into the pool draft a QB.
Not sure why that discussion has to become so adversarial? Everyone is making good points. Let’s all have a beer and watch them draft a QB.
9 more days!
SKOL!
Totally agree…
I can agree to just about all of that.
Except the beer part.
No beer?
I’ll drink a beer for him…
For sure I will!
Alcoholic Father, everyone said I was growing up to be just like him which was good until he became drunk.
I don’t mind others drinking but I have decided not to start down that road myself.
Since I love beer, sort of feel bad you can’t have one. But i understand where you’re at and actually applaud you for it.
Ditto! I also applaud you, SoCal.
I appreciate the thought.
Don’t know that applauding is appropriate. Its more of a self preservation thing.
Years of being a ‘designated driver’ and driving drunks around cemented my believe that it was ‘not for me’.
Drunks are no fun to be around if you are not drunk.
My first year of college (dumb ass 17 year old) I drank far too much beer, sickening to remember how much beer my friends and I would drink at RATT (room at the top) on the top floor of the SU building. Four of us would put away 10-12 pitchers of beer. Wonder why my grades slipped? My second year one of my best friends and I were talking and decided to see if we could still enjoy ourselves without drinking (funny because at 18 I was now legal to drink). Side benefit was I actually started having good conversations with the opposite sex and started to come out of my shell (don’t get me wrong I was still a nerd and shy af). As a DD I got to drive lots of different cars (I could neither afford to own a car nor the hefty insurance for a teenage boy in Alberta); some of the girls in my lab tech program had very nice cars.
My wife, haha, said that when we met I tamed her down. She wasn’t crazy wild but did have a few at the coed softball game, Thirsty Thursdays, etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy a craft brew or two once every couple of weeks in the summer but a lifetime of seeing the sequela of alcohol abuse has turned me off any ideas of binge drinking.
I never understood people who said ‘I need to get drunk, I deserve it’ and a few hours later watching them puking and passed out miserable.
I don’t miss beer or alcohol since it is an acquired taste and I never acquired it.
I get it. My mother was and my father is a high functioning alcoholic. Great people. Successful. But both alcoholics. They were never violent but occasionally volatile. First time I drove my father home from the bar I was 12.
It’s the reason I gravitated toward marijuana as opposed to alcohol. I do occasionally enjoy a beer or two in the summer but always in moderation as I’m type 2 and alcohol doesn’t help at all.
My dad was a mean drunk not a violent one.
Remember him telling us in HS ‘I can’t wait for you free loaders to graduate and get out of my house’. I was given 90 days from graduation to move out, managed in 60.
With my oldest granddaughter graduating HS this year I’ve been reminiscing about her mother (my stepdaughter) leaving home for college and contrasting with my own experience. My stepd called after three weeks and begged to be allowed to drop out and come home. We told her she had to stay until the end of semester and she ended up clear sailing. I think her daughter is going to have an even harder time – she has a really good life and is very well taken care of, although she acts like she has a tough life.
My parents definitely helped me with room and board expenses in college.
My post grad experience was sorta like yours (only you were in hs). There was zero option to return home, in my case, after college. I was too tight to pay another month’s rent out of my savings, as I was hoping to buy a car. Of course, that is why I emigrated to the US for a job rather than waiting a month for a job that was going to open up in Cold Lake, Alberta. And that, that has made all the difference.
Joining the Army was my best option at the time.
I didn’t know anyone who’s couch I could sleep on (my friends were all just getting out of HS like me), I was not interested in collage nor could I afford it.
Seems to always happen. Few good days, then boom.
For sure Cousins got too expensive and we need to draft a QB.
Seems question is what to pay, if at all, to get one.
Other than Williams at number one, there’s a lot of differing opinions on these guys. Is it worth giving up picks to move up to take one that might well be no better than what you get standing pat.
It’s not easy and all thoughts have merit
Think the worst of it today had to do with the tampering issue.
So not KC but related to KC, not sure if that is much of a difference though.
My feelings are that if the right QB is there at 11 we pick him. If we use 11 and 23 to move up and pick a guy (with the team we are trading with knowing we are moving up for a QB ie fleece ready) it is a long long way until the 4th round.
I’m on the Penix train, baby.
It will be very interesting to see how KAM plays it. Will he trade up? All the “so-called-experts” in the sports news say yes. It will be a fun draft, that leaves us plenty to discuss.
Word.
People here who think it’s impossible to do a contract for an NFL player in an hour, don’t know the process. All a team needs to do is provide an offer sheet, and the players agent can “agree in principle” to the terms. Then the contract is actually printed up.
An offer sheet can be as simple as detailing a four-year, $180 million contract with a $50 million signing bonus, and $90 million guaranteed over the next two seasons with an additional $10 million guaranteed in 2026. Probably highlight a no trade clause as well.
That’s it. The rest can be hacked out between the agent and the team, but even that can be done in a matter of an hour or two.
Teams and agents do this like you drive your car.
fast, with my knees, while eating and talking on my phone?!?!
Exactly
No one said it was impossible.
I said it was not likely given that there was no previous contact about it, it had to be a three way negotiation between Team and Agent then agent and player and then back again. And it all had to be completed in a little over an hour so that they team could announce the agreement and the terms, which they did.
Given the size, price and details, I find it outside of ‘probable’.
It was actually completely likely… the Vikings told the public they were offering $76M and not guaranteeing anything beyond 2024. This was child’s play.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Your other toxic discussion is making difficult to have a thoughtful rational dialogue.
I’m sorry if I come across as toxic. I am assertive, yes, but I don’t think I have ever insulted you SoCal.
The Falcons knew early on that they wanted Cousins if he didn’t re-sign with the Vikings. All they had to do was wait and see what the Vikings offered. Once the low-ball contract numbers came out, and Cousins said “no thanks, I’ll test free agency”, the Falcons just filled in the blanks. This not rocket surgery. It was child’s play as I said.
I was not insulted but I understand that some of the tone from the other conversation might have slipped in a bit. Thought it was more of a distraction. I am not so sensitive that I am upset.
I could be wrong, I have been in the past like with Wilson’s Pittsburg contract. I felt that there was no way he would sign just for the one year/vet minimum.
Time will tell about the tampering. I believe it is possible (probable?) that there was but that did not mean that Vikings would see any benefit or that the league would even admit that there was. That does not diminish those that feel otherwise.
I don’t know about probable intent any more. Apparently, it is not unusual for a father to call his son in the middle of a business meeting to say hi on speakerphone, no probably quid pro quo there. Also, you can probably fly overseas with your son and not discuss his business with him. Huh.
I’m guessing if you had a total f’up for a son, and you’re a good father, during the 14 hour return flight all you would talk about would be the Peking duck. Ormaybe taking up finger painting.
Just so you know, over the last 15 years, there have been 46 QB’s taken in the first round of the draft. Of those, only 7 would be considered “home runs” and another 3 would be considered “solid” starters. So, 10 out of 46 would be the tally. That’s a “hit” rate of 21.7%. Bet your life on a 21.7% probability rate? Not prudent.
Source:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-regrading-every-first-round-qb-pick-of-last-15-years-from-justin-fields-to-mark-sanchez/
What is the % of teams that hit on a QB when they didn’t pick a QB in the first round??
Asking for a friend.
I know a few…
Can you put that in Percentile Terms like you did with the 1st round QBs so we can compare?
Keep in mind he is getting his “data” from one article on “CBS Sports” one of the shittiest sports broadcasting websites in the history of the internet. Dont take it as gospel.
Stay on the porch son…
Only if you let me masta. Its nice out here
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Are you asking compared to later rounds and FA?
His point is that 1st QBs have a poor history of being good.
I was asking what the other options % are.
If 1st Rd is >22% and all other options are 10% then 1st round is still the better option.
Looking for the rest of the story.
I have no data on that SoCal… sorry.
So then IMHO that does not make the 21.7% stat very useful.
!st round might be a poor option and still be the best option. Because you still need to have a QB and the better ones are hard to get.
I agree it is the best option for a QB, but I think what he might be saying is it’s still a pretty low hit rate overall, whereas maybe other positions of need might be a higher hit rate and thus a better investment. I could be wrong, though.
And building a better team will make whatever QB you end up with have a better chance of success, no arguement there.
But once you get to the point of needing a QB which method give you the best chance of success?
Well whatever you do, don’t sell the farm on a 21.7% chance.
My point is simple. In the first round, you have a 21.7% chance on average, of selecting a really good QB. If your trading the equivalent of 4 or 5 picks on a gamble like that, you’re not going to be in business very long.
I can agree that trading muiltiple picks for a QB is a bad idea.
Other options maybe worse, your results may vary.
See how quickly this fell into the #8 rat hole bullshit – to bad.
Have read here countless time goal is winning a SB!!! OK.
So was looking back at recent SB winners
Pats – Brady (late pick)
Eagles- Foles (a backup at time)
KC -Mahomes( first rounder)
Bucs – Brady (FA)
Rams – Stafford (FA)
KC – Mahomes (First)
KC – Mahomes (First)
Seems other than KC and Mahomes everyone else did it by getting their QB other than a first rounder.
And if the goal is truly a SB, there’s several ways to get there.
Stafford was traded for.
But the point being discussed is what option gives you the best chance of success. NLNVF said 1st Rd is a poor one due to low %.
FA percentage and lower Rd QBs are less I suspect, even trades are not good. Although you can find examples of each if you want to find them.
FA is a good choice, if you have years of solid performance data. Stafford was a strong QB on a bad team. His production was high for years. Easy choice. Take the QB that produces every year, if you can swing it. The draft is a crap shoot. You just don’t know which guys are going to cut it, and which won’t. Vets are proven (good or bad).
Again, the more you know the better decision you can make.
Stafford was a trade not a FA, traded for Goff, + 2 1st Round and a 3rd Round Picks.
OK, split hairs and verbiage if you like SoCal (FA or trade). The point is, if you can acquire a proven product vice a crap shoot, go with the proven player.
Whose that proven product at the right age thats not set to be over paid? There isn’t one.
Stafford won a Super Bowl with the right team.
Try and keep up son.
No shit. Im talking about the here and now old man. Stafford has always been clutch and dragged many shitty Lions teams to relevancy, like an actual stud QB does. Vikings havent had that since Farve. So, in 2024, if you dont think the Vikings should use their first round picks on a rookie QB, whose those mythical QB that you would rather have?
Seasoned…
Try and keep up son.
I agree that a ‘proven QB trade’ is less of a crapshoot.
But for every Stafford trade there is multiple Wilson trade that comes up negative.
So we can trade ‘examples’ all day or we can agree that getting a QB is a crapshoot but 1st round by not be a good way but it may very well be the best way percentage wise.
I think Wilson was clearly a bad trade… stupid, in fact. Wilson was successful on a team with a great defense, and a powerful running attack. He doesn’t really process, as much as he creates. Anyone who knows anything about QB play could see Wilson is an athletic talent, not a superior QB.
Brady was a FA and Foles was a backup. And to begin with Brady was a late rounder.
According to those SB winners, only Kc has done it with a first rounder.
And I buy you have a better chance of getting a better prospect with a first rounder than a later pick. But this data suggests you don’t have to go that route to put together a SB winner. And seven years in a row is hardly outliers.
So the Vikings should never draft a QB, even if position to in the top 10 of the first round? What is your long term plan? Over pay aging vets and cannibalize the roster until the end of time? Please share your infinite wisdom oh GM of all GMs!
I advised of my plan before. Sorry you have a weak memory.
Sorry, my minds been clouded by your endless and insane #8 defenses and whataboutisms for almost 2 years now so, its a little fuzzy. Please, remind myself and our fellow posters. Does it involve drafting a QB later where the “success rate” is even lower? You know there’s factors other then WHEN a qb is drafted that affect if they turn out and are good enough to win a SB. Its what team they go to, the coaching staff, and the weapons they already have in place. All of those things matter. And the Vikings have a lot if not all of those. If you dont see how drafting a rookie QB now is an utmost MUST, I have no words for how out of touch you are with the modern game of NFL football.
Well, your mind is certainly clouded… for sure.
As clear as the air in my lungs. Helps me to not step in the bull shit, of which there is a lot of around these parts. Time to grill some steaks.
Unfortunately you are far more clouded between the ears than you realize.
Ah yes, you can psycho analyze me from my opinions and shit posting on a football form. Please, do go on, tell me about myself that I don’t know. I can’t wait to tell you about yourself.
I think everyone here can clearly tell how deluded you are son.
If you think I dont get a kick out of this and its not how I am in real life, then you will never get the internet, old man.
I prefer the term “seasoned”…
God are you arrogant. No wonder you have a convertible, your head couldn’t fit inside any vehicle with a top.
Laughing… you calling me arrogant… that’s a hoot.
He didn’t say you shouldn’t ever draft them, saying selling the your future for one is a very bad gamble.
Thats not what he typed. And he has been implying since the middle of last season that he prefers the Vikings dont draft a rookie QB for the future. Its been his stance since he’s been here. I agree, dont trade the farm but whats “the farm” to most people would be different to others. From what I gather he doesn’t want a rookie QB AT ALL in the first round. Ever.
I have never implied the Vikings should not draft a rookie QB for the future. That is all made up in your mind.
Right?
Then why go through the trouble of the post above? Because thats what it looks like.
what he posted above is actually just factual data on 1st round qb’s…. which …. the vikings are in the mix to draft a FIRST ROUND QB…
it’s extremely valid football information on a football site….
Not arguing its validity of is it a football post or not (its from a shit website but I digress), im arguing the intent of the post. Its called reading between the lines.
KC agrees, they surely regret trading up for Mahomes
KC didn’t sell the farm for Mahomes, and they actually had a very complete team before they brought him in. Reid knew what he was doing.
Everything is doom from you.
“Drafting a QB is too big a gamble”
“KAM has too many free agents leaving”
“Dead cap is terrible.” (Most of it caused by one former player)
”OL sucks”
Yada yada yada…
Are you sure you are a Vikings fan?
Not everything is doom from me. That is your interpretation. However, I tend to state facts and data and wherever that takes a conversation, it takes it. The fact is, the Vikings O-line, defense, running game, and kicking game, have been bottom of the league for years. That’s reality. If you don’t like reality, don’t read my comments.
For those hoping for us getting a pick back from Atlanta for tampering with the deer in headlights, unless they settle with the league by the draft, the punishment wont be handed down or go into affect until 2025s draft. I doubt they settle by next week.
Anyone hoping for any such outcome is smoking crack. No Falcons official ever discussed contract terms with Cousins or his agent. Sorry, this is just a whole lot of Florio “spin”.
Lmao still running to his defense at every turn. It was blatant SELF ADMITTED tampering by the deer himself. Its all but agreed upon and report by multiple people, not just Florio. Sorry, but stay on the porch on this one huh? It doesn’t have to be an Falcon’s official, its any staff member, including medical staff (it was both). Screen shotting this for when you are proven wrong (again) I dont have to go digging and its undeniable. Though you will fight about it like always.
You are just spouting uninformed baloney as usual. Mark my words, nothing will come of this. You will see son. Soon enough, and have to admit you fell for a load of crap.
Time will tell. Also, you were arguing with fellow Vikings truther, Bow, multiple times over the past 4 weeks and you were offering bets. Are you up for a bet?
Admitted on screen he had talked to Falcons before being a free agent. If the NFL does nothing not surprised.
He admitted he talked to the Head PR guy and the Trainer, they also announced his signing and contract details in just over and hour into Legal Tampering, some shenanigans obviously went on.
Now will the NFL do anything about it? Will they do anything this year? or Will whatever they do benefit Minn or just punish Atlanta? Those are unknown.
Exactly. See, you get it, that was the gist of my post.
I certainly have no idea what the NFL Tampering rules are as well as the penalties.
But in the real world, musn’t there be injury to receive reparation. And of course, that is different than a penalty of some type.
Rules are that the team can only talk to the players agent, trainers/players are ok.
Punishment by the NFL is fines and taking draft picks but there have been incidents of teams ‘settling the dispute’ by swapping picks and then the NFL ok that agreement.
Since we were not offering guaranteed money (after first year) and they were, we were going to lose out regardless. don’t see how we were injured.
Now if they deserve some fine or something for their ‘methods’, that’s them and the league.
And their punishment may not effect Minn at all.
At most i bet a fine. Who the hell knows. NFL likes money.
Talking to players, trainers, etc. is not tampering. Tampering is telling a player or his agent what a team is prepared to offer in a contract before the “legal tampering” date.
For the under-informed here… the Vikings publicly advised they weren’t interested in guaranteeing Cousins anything beyond 2024, and also said they offered him $76M. Falcons knew what Cousins wanted… guarantees he was going to be on the team past 2024, especially with a no trade clause. They knew exactly what they needed to offer Cousins on Sunday, when he said he would be entering free agency instead of taking the Vikings low ball offer.
This is just a lot of crap the media is stirring up to garner clicks.
Head of PR is not players/trainers.
Multiyear contracts do not come together in just over and hour.
Shenanigans? Yes.
The NFL may ‘decide’ that it didn’t raise to the level of ‘tampering’. Much like DOJ decided Hillary’s and Joe’s classified document handling didn’t rise to the level of charging them.
Doesn’t make it not true.
NFL contracts are fill in the blanks forms that can be printed up in minutes. Teams are ready to hit “print” at a moments notice.
Multiyear, multimillion dollar contracts worth $100 Million in total are not ‘fill in the blank forms’ that can be printed up in minutes.
Wanna bet?
No way to prove it either way.
And given 4 SB losses I learned my lesson about betting at an early age.
Actually I have written $100M contracts in 15 minutes in my career. So I know how easy it can be done with real life experience.
So thats where my tax dollars went, thanks a lot. The Taliban sure made good use of those weapons.
Once again, you not whereof you speak.
Stay on the porch son.
But this is fun masta.
This ^ whether the NFL does anything is what I was leaning my point in to. Any one with a functioning nervous system and isnt a flaming Kirk stan knows there was tampering.
Talking to people is not illegal. A team advising a player or his agent of a contract offer before the legal tampering date is. Nothing happened here that was illegal. It’s just theater.
What part of ‘teams can only talk to the players agent’ do you choose not to understand?
Other teams players and trainer are the exception.
Not sure what you’re arguing. Some players (like Lamar Jackson) don’t have an agent. The bottom line here is tampering. Tampering is discussing contract terms before the “legal tampering period” begins. Talking to a trainer, or other players, does not constitute tampering. This is a whole lot of baloney.
So Lamar was/is his agent.
By admitting in his press conference that he talked to more team staff than other players and trainers he already admitted to tampering taking place.
Who else he talked to is part of the investigation.
Sorry SoCal. It’s not illegal to talk to trainers, staff, or players unless they are representing the team in some way in contract negotiations. Just asking folks about facilities, what they think of the City, or whatever, is not tampering.
And the investigation will determine if that went on.
If they were ‘harmless’ discussions about where the best restaurants were then they are allie allie oxen free.
Doubt anyone believes that given the totality of the circumstances.
I think anyone who thinks tampering occurred is sadly mistaken. This is all Florio beating his drum, and nothing more.
As much as i like JJ i can’t get a handle on the money he’s likely to want.
It is a conundrum.
I don’t like the idea of trading him although I can see the logic.
So I just bury my head in the sand on the topic.
If we could get AZs or NEs 1st round and 2nd round for him, I would not hesitate. As a matter of fact I would help him move.
I got a pickup truck as well.
CB is listed as one of our Needs and this draft is kind of top heavy at the position with 4 rated in the Top 30.
DeJean, S, Iowa can play CB in fact he is listed as such on some Mock sites. He is rated in mid 20s and gives Coach Flores more of that Positional Flexibility that he craves.
I have circled back around to him as a possibility at 23 if a QB falls to us at 11. I think good DTs are available later in the draft than good CBs are. Although it pains me to pass on a Newton/Murphy II type.
Nope. We’re giving up 3 1’s, 3 2’s to move up to #5 and draft Nix.
That would be ‘Sub-Optimal’ IMHO.
Just did a mock in which the top 4 QBs were gone by #11. So I traded 11 and 232 to Wash for #s 36, 40 and 67. Took DeJean at #23, got Penix at 36, Newton dropped to 40 and I got a highly rated OG at 67 for a win, win, win, win IMHO.
If only it could really happen.
That’d be great.
About every other mock I do, I get JJ at 11 and Newton at 23. Sometimes Newton falls way back to the end of the 2nd. Sweat has fallen of a cliff in most mocks.
We suspect that the recent DUI is the cause of Sweats fall.
A red flag and something that would have to be discussed with the young man but still a lot of potential there.
I believe I heard he had put on a bunch of weight before the combine.
He was 366 at the combine, Didn’t seem to hurt his performance any and ‘good weight’ would make him more formidable as an anchor in the DL.
Don’t know if the previously listed weight of 336 was very accurate or how long ago he was weighed.
Yeah, that’s sad. How many CB’s did Rick and Zim draft???
DeJean has never played safety.
Best vocalist: Me. At least that’s what my mom told me.
bless your heart
I’m surprised nobody answered the best vocalist with Brennan Huff
I started watching the Frazier reboot. I came into it with low expectations, much like the original spinoff, but was surprised that it doesn’t suck and is pretty good. I do miss John Mahoney, who played Martin Crane on the original, as well as his dog Eddie, but its still decent.
We’ve been watching Baby Reindeer on NF. My goodness, it is like watching a horrific train wreck in slow motion.
Don’t think I have ever watched an episode although I did enjoy Frazier in Cheers.
I was overseas playing Army when it was popular and I never got into when I got back.
Much like many TV shows from that time frame like The Office, sadly.
Cheers is my favorite sitcom of all time.
It’s a dog eat dog world, Sammy, and i’m wearing milkbone underwear.
Cheers/Seinfeld/Friends (for a couple of years) were all worth a watch.
Favorite interaction from that show:
Coach: ‘What’s shaking Norm?
Norm: ‘All four cheeks and a couple of chins’
Which one is that? I stopped watching TV long time ago. Last “sitcom” I watched was Married with children, probably.
https://www.tvinsider.com/show/cheers/
Cheers started years before MWC
Not that you bunch o’ pikers care, but McDavid picked up his 100th assist for the season last night. He is the fourth person to join that exalted club, which includes Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux. FWIW that means Edmonton has enjoyed 50% of the all time highest assist scorers.
Man just the dream that Edmonchuk can bring the cup back to Canada gives me a chub.
Do you have to pay to go to a hockey game? Or are they just happy if they get people in the stands buying popcorn?
I longingly remember being able to get seats in the nosebleeds at the ol’ Northlands Coliseum for $5 apiece at Safeway. Those were the days, my girlfriend(s) and I went to quite a few games circa 1987-1991. Was the best when it was farking cold outside, some season tix holders wouldn’t show and sometimes you could move up to ice level. The team was durn good back then.
That and the Edmonton Trappers ($2 with college ID) were staple date nights.
Average price of a ticket is now $671. That shit ain’t free.
Both my Kids grew up in ND and their Aunt was a Jr Hockey Coach but neither had ever been to a game until I took then to a LA Kings game when they came to visit SoCal.
QotD:
Male vocalist: Gordon Lightfoot
Female vocalist: Celine Dion
Canadian bias alert! Canadian bias alert!
Shocking
I plays my part
Heard interesting talk about draft success in the first round. Criteria was their 5th year being picked up. 44% success rate. While they delved further only 34% were offered a 2nd contract by the drafting team. Obviously there are some outliers to those stats like maybe the athlete hit the FA market and didn’t want to resign but still wow. Someone yesterday was saying how it’s so easy to land a WR these days… actually WR have the highest fail rate in the first round out of ANY position. I found that interesting as well.
WRT WR would sat there’s a difference between “easy” and “easier.”
Criteria – 5th year pick up. So players like Burrow and Hurts wouldn’t count but someone like Love would?
No, they talked about that, that counts towards a success. I stated that wrong, sorry. If they decided to not pick up their 5th year, like hey jack we ain’t paying you you’re not worth a 5th year contract.
Thanks.
Ponder/Bridgewater. Sigh.
But at least they drafted a Superbowl winning QB in my lifetime… the late great Tavaris Jackson! He had like a sub 4.7 40 yd dash and a cannon for an arm if I remember right. I wonder how he would have done in modern day read option stuff.
I asked about favorite vocalists.
If you are talking biggest range is Axl Rose from GnR, this is literally A FACT!
If you are talking about most consistent high level performance then you are talking Dio… also sort of a fact lol. People who toured with him said he NEVER had a bad night, that’s unheard of. Every athlete, every musician etc… all have bad nights… no Dio, he is a god!
Freddy is probably the greatest musician as a frontman, one of the very few frontmen who is also the best musician in the band lol.
Personal favorite like I said yesterday Mikael Akerfeldt. Most of you, if any don’t even know who he is. He has one of the smoothest and chill singing voices and an amazing brutal gutteral growl and a music genius ta boot!
Also on the music side, love Sublime. I saw Jakob Nowell, the son of the late original frontman just played with them and played his dad’s one of a kind guitar and his amp. Pretty cool shit!
Two songs showing Mikael’s insane ability as a musician. First song is from Opeth’s Damnation album. I very much did not like death metal gutteral vocals until getting into this album. It was a whole album of this sort of proggy chill Pink Floyd type stuff. This is real audio too not doctored up. Most studio and live footage is usually doctored up, Mikael refuses. So while he doesn’t necessarily hit crazy high notes and stuff. It just just how smooth it is with his amazing playing ability at the same time.
For the non-wusses out there. Same band, same show. This shows his insane ability to be super heavy and the song also has parts of smooth melody as well almost Tool-esque parts. Such a diverse band. I didn’t like their heavier stuff until falling in love with their more chill stuff in high school lol.
Opeth gets a rec.
I was actually at the show in Kansas City after this show. I’ve seen Billy Joel play his 100th performance on the floor of Madison Square Garden… still think seeing shows at Red Rocks is a cooler experiences.
Freddy’s voice was such a gift he refused to fix horrible snaghletoothed teeth for fear he would no longer be the songbird of his generation
Music mattered most. Absolute legend.
Why a thumbs down? Seriously, if it’s to be funny and I just deserve it then AWESOME! But if it’s because of something I saw, what rubbed you the wrong way?
Street Cred
In that case I appreciate it! haha. I was just curious what was the reason. Love me some thumbs down! It means I ain’t no boot lickin sheep! lol
I’m just guessing, I have no idea
Thought you were saying it was you. haha
No, I rarely if ever downvote anything, sometimes when Freezey asks for street cred I will
I think its kinda cool Jakob and the original members got together, I haven’t heard them play or anything.
this reminds me of when hansel says about Sting in Zoolander:
“Sting would be another person who’s a hero. The music he’s created over the years, I don’t really listen to it, but the fact that he’s making it, I respect that”
QotD:
Male vocalist – Marty Robbins
Female vocalist – Patsy Cline
Old School Choices.
At least names I recognize not like many in the previous lists offered.
Still enjoy listening to “Crazy.”
I guess my grandpa was a big music fan and when we moved into my g-mas and g-pas house we found a box of old singles that we would listen to all the time.
A lot of Hank Sr, Roy Rogers, Dale Evans and other old country. My mom was a huge Loretta Lynn and Conway fan. My first concert (I was 5-6) was Loretta and Conway.
Patsy is probably my favorite female vocalist all time as well
I figured with all the metal heads here, I would bring some class to the arguement.
Pro Football Focus had a mock draft has Minnesota taking 2 QBs as our top 2 picks in the 2024 Draft.
@seems Realistic.@
Got to cover all possible outcomes if you are in the mock draft business.
Nick Wright did his mock and didn’t have the Vikings taking any QB with #11 or #23.
I have done that when Mocking before.
With Trade backs especially you can acquire quite a few good/decent players that way.
Then either go with the 3 QBs we have on the roster or take a flyer on a Milton, Rattler, Pratt or Travis type.
Chad Forbes from NFL.com says……
i think i might throw up if we pick nix at 11.
We may not have a choice.
But I would rather go with Penix over Nix.
it’s my draft party and i can throw up if i want tooooo
Nicely done, this ties in perfectly with the favorite vocalists thingy.
Will you also shit on the floor? Speaking of which, haven’t seen skolifer in a while
I seen he is over at the DN
Have at it man…..
I have seen reports/breakdowns/opinions of ‘experts’ on each of the top 6 QB in this draft. Some from people/sites I trust, some not so much.
You can find pro and con arguments on each of them. For example I have seen articles/videos this week saying that ‘JJ will get a GM fired for picking him‘ and others that say ‘JJ will make us SB contenders‘.
At this point I will have to throw up my hands and trust in KOC, McCown, and KAM to get it right, which is a hard thing to do.
Yep.
Complete crap shoot.
We have to trust KAM.
I want to ‘pray’ for a good result but I don’t believe that to be a valid use of prayer morally.
So I will have to resort to keeping fingers crossed and other luck related activities instead.
When I get to heaven, I am going to ask God what he has against the Vikings.
Well the Original Vikings did prey on a lot of churches in England back in the day.
Good point….we should have chosen “The Minnesota Monks” instead, probably would have a whole room full of super bowl trophies by now.
Maybe ‘Paladins’, them being ‘Good Guy Fighters’ after all.
I just learned, from watching The Curse of Oak Island, that the Vikings worked with the Templars to move the treasure to North America.
If it is on The Curse Of Oak Island it has to be true.
Could be, or a fiction, I don’t pretend to know but have learned to be cynical in all things.
You can ‘trust’ him to get it wrong if that works better for you.
This would be almost more of a KOC we trust. I know KAM would be the one responsible for picking but KOC as the HC and OC and former QB… He would most likely be wanting whoever we land.
Why I put KAM last.
But he is the one who will decide if the ones KOC/McCown want are worth the price to go and get them.
Williams aside, you could take any of the five others and it could turn. out just fine. Or, take any of them and it won’t. Just the way it is.
Truth.
Going to have to let go and understand that they know more about the topic than I will ever will.
I will still reserve the right to say ‘I told you so’ when they get wrong however.
Taking nix at 11 would be just short of ponder
Yeah. You would think Nix at 23 or something.
I think 23 is a much more apt spot for him, I prefer the Jr Penis to him as well, though I’m not sure he’s worth 11 either.
Music is not really my thing – certainly not much of a critic.
Just asking, is Pavarotti a vocalist? Elvis, or is he more of an entertainer?
And Streisand seemed to be able to hit all the notes.
Elvis was definitely an entertainer but he could also sing.
oddly enough, i played baseball in college with a kid who’s dad was an elvis impersonator AND his kid brother was a young elvis impersonator
AND my co-worker knows an elvis impersonator and rather than actually listed to the real elvis, he listens to the impersonator friend…..
I thought of that, too, but I don’t think Opera singers count as vocalists. I checked with Google, and it sort of agrees. Different technique, no microphones, etc.
but i do love Phantom of the Opera
Michael Crawford a pretty good vocalist too.
Best Female Vocalist:
Whitney Houston
Best Male Vocalist:
Freddie Mercury
Favorite Male Vocalist:
Layne Staley (RIP)
Favorite Female Vocalist:
Ann Wilson
Skol!
i can’t argue any of your comments…
quick story about when Layne Staley died.
I worked at meat market when i was 15-17 and one of the main butchers was a HUGE music guy, so he introduced innocent little me to many bands, one of them being Alice in Chains. When we closed the shop together on many occasions he would blast Alice in Chains through the store speakers. Anyways, the day Layne Staley died, the butcher guy was VERY emotional, and i didn’t really understand at the time what was lost until i got more into AIC a few years later.
But i will always remember that butcher and i’m thankful he introduced me to the bands i had never known/heard of until him
My favorite band of all time.
they are one of my favorites for sure.
Layne is up there, Bon Scott…those would be my favorite past vocalists I think
Love Bon Scott as well – If You Want Blood (You’ve Got It) is still a song I crank the volume on every time I hear it.
Best Female Vocalist: Whitney Houston
Best Male Vocalist: Freddie Mercury, but I don’t like him.
well he’s dead so you have to like him. it’s the rules.
Logic checks out.
Homophobe.
Who the hell doesn’t like Freddy Mercury? You have amazing vocals and an incredible showman?
ben, i agree, best male vocalist of all time is Freddy and it’s not even close.
This is why Texas is being overrun.
https://x.com/OversightPR/status/1780054306454167954
Paul is dead.
“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”
Without the influence of Paul McCartney, there would be no Freddy Mercury.
Correct.
Paul is kinda meh to me, he’s not a complete wanker like Lennon or a goober like Ringo. The only Beatle I like at all was George
The Beatles suck, but that is known.
QotD: Agreed on all points. Well done!
QotD – You mention Aretha for female singer, and that is a solid choice that I cannot argue. Same with Freddy.
For currently “Alive and Kicking” singers, this could be a fun topic.
Kelly Clarkson can sing. This topic would take some thought, and I have not had any coffee yet.
Robert Plant and Steve Perry.
Honorable mention to Chris Cornell, RIP. Bon Jovi prior to vocal surgery.
Females, Ann Wilson, Kelly Clarkson, Pink.
I would agree, I think Kelly clarkson is probably the best, I still remember the first season of American idol where she and that Justin guy were the finalists, she won and went on to a successful music career, he… became something called lil sweet in Dr Pepper commercials
Alive and Kicking? Carrie Underwood, bonus, she is hawt!
She’s a babe for sure.
Now I’m carrying underwood
GM
FTP
SKOL!
9 more days until the draft, and I get new things to complain about
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!