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Hmmm… Bleacher Report’s Alex Kay is suggesting Minnesota will trade Jefferson to the Cardinals for a 2024 1st-Round pick (4th overall), next year’s 1st-Rounder, and an additional 3rd-Rounder in 2024. He explained, “Minnesota could instead look to capitalize on Jefferson’s immense trade value to jump-start the type of rebuilding process that the NFC North rival Detroit Lions recently underwent by trading away star quarterback Matthew Stafford.”
Honestly, if that was actually available, I would do it.
Would consider it, would hate it though.
JJ is about to sign a big contract. He’s a very valuable asset. With the #4 pick in the draft, and the #11 pick, KAM could get two top shelf players this year, and two more next year, while saving all that money he would have to pay JJ. More money, and two more potentially top shelf talent players?
Or ‘potentially two more draft busts by KAM’.
I don’t want to add more pressure to draft impact players since he has not shown he is capable of even mediocre picks yet. Addison was picked as time ran out while he was trying to trade the pick away, more lucky than good IMHO.
I would have more faith if he traded away our current picks for upgrades on D and in the trenches. Ask Flores, he will tell you who will work in his system.
That is an interesting strategy. Picking guys in the draft is always a crap shoot. Trading draft picks for proven players, you know what you’re getting.
I agree.
A QB like Stafford comes available like once every20 years, good liuck
Yeah, this might interest KAM, because of the contract situation. Denver has to pay his full salary (I think) next year. Signing him would be cheap.
But ‘respect’ demands that he get his full market value….. from his new team.
His Denver situation does not guarantee a cheap signing.
I think you’re doing some spin here. You do realize Wilson is the 6th highest paid QB in the league… right? Cousins is 15th.
Wilson is scheduled to make $35.4M in 2024 and $55.4M in 2025.
I read about ‘offset language’ but can’t find if it applies to Wilson.
So if he is cut and signs with us for $40M with the Vikings do the Donkos pay $35.4M and the Vikings pay $4.5M in 2024? How does that effect our cap?
Can he run KOCs complicated Offense? I hear he as an arm but likes to ‘create’ as well ala Dobby.
Because his contract is guaranteed, he can’t sign with us in a trade deal for more than the vet minimum.
I read that the two mostly likely outcome for Wllson is cut or keep.
A trade would mean that they gaining team gains his contract and cap hit, ergo not cheap.
But the article was written from a Denver point of view and doesn’t address the implications for the gaining team.
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-what-will-the-broncos-do-with-russell-wilson/
Yeah, the article I read made my head spin a little, but the bottom line was, in a trade, the gaining team was only going to have to pay the vet minimum for Wilson’s services in 2024.
The article I cited states that “other teams might not be interested in taking on the QB’s full contract. Denver could agree to pay part of Wilson’s contract to get a deal done”.
They may pay $$ but that does not resolve Cap Space.
OK we’re getting different data from different sources.
I have read several articles and each one has left me more confused.
Of course RW has a NTC and I have no doubt KAM won’t like his any more than he likes KCs.
Would hate this. He is done in Denver because he cannot comprehend the offense.
Ben Leber is from east river, by far the lesser of the sides of SD and this take is terrible
Hate clicking on meaningless projections this time a year, would you give Bears a 2nd or 3rd for Fields?
I Would rather roll with Mullens than give up a 2nd or 3rd for Fields…I think Mullens is better.
Fields might be worth a 5th rounder.
absolutely Mullens all day over Fields.
No… he is a long way from being a top shelf NFL QB… a very long way.
Think i read he was playing better but i have know visual of it. Not shocked they roll with Mulens at all and try to upgrade other places.
Playing better than playing bad, isn’t a glowing endorsement. Currently Fields would not be able to run the KOC scheme. He wants to freelance on the field, like Dobbs. He wants to be a playmaker. Cousins is a technician. He breaks down defenses and beats them with his arm. Fields is a “feel” player, not a technician. OC’s want QB’s that understand their offense, run it as designed, and as called, with great discipline. This why Kyle Shanahan called Cousins his “prototype” Quarterback.
Take KC all day, just wondering how to help rest of positions.
Yeah, Cousins won’t be back though. KAM made that decision a long time ago. He’s cutting ties, eating the $28.5M cap hit, and going to muddle through next year. Hope for the best, but know the chances of competing for the Division are going to be slim. Is what it is.
Last in NFCN a real possibility.
Worse… a real probability.
If we can’t put a team out on the field next September capable of competiting for the division. it because someone doesn’t choose to do so.
Well yeah. But remember what KAM said in his presser when discussing bringing Cousins back…
“Taking a step back in the short term isn’t a big deal if you don’t think you’re actually close,”
That’s what he said. Taking a step back… this is his plan.
Maybe bringing back Kirk for a year or two is what he meant by taking a step back in the short term.
Laughing….
Not I.
Don’t see him as much of an upgrade over Mullins.
If we could throttle back his (Mullins) ‘gunslinger’ instincts just a bit he could be a cheap bridge QB while we build the trenches/D.
Yes he’s way better than anything the Vikings have signed at the QB position as of now
Competitive rebuild continues.
Ladies and Gentlemen (and confused non-binaries), WE GOT HIM!!!
OK… KAM is workin it.
So my son was supposed to start his internship in DC today. They texted him and told him not to come since most of the business was closed due to the dramatic amount of snow fall in DC…they had 1.8 inches of snow…..
LOL.
That’s life out here in the Mid Atlantic.
That’s DC – with all the hills and poor snow removal, that amount of snow can really screw things up if it’s cold enough. You can ice skate on roads.
We laugh when we read the ‘Warnings’ in Santa Barbara (my hometown).
High Heat Warning-above 95. We pray for those ‘cool days’ in the summer.
High Wind Warning- gust up to 35mph. That is everyday around here.
The weather warnings today are ridiculous.
Sun warning.
Dry warning.
Rain warning.
Wind warning.
Cold warning.
Heat warning.
Everything is a warning.
I sure hope she sticks to her principles and does not expand her gene pool into the population.
She probably doesn’t need to.
I assume an AI Bot will be created in her stead.
True That…
She will expand her gene pool if Lifer get ahold of her.
LOL!!!
You would think abortion would be an option?
May be too late to Abort the two of them.
Once could dream though.
Oh I don’t know…in the state of Virginia the previous governor said you could abort healthy, full term babies after they were born…So maybe its not too late.
While there is a lot of ‘wrong headed’ people in this world I wouldn’t want to start down the slippery slope of ‘aborting’ adults.
Imagine if Brandon could have gone that way with Orange Man.
It is already terri-bad with ‘partial birth’ abortions, no reason to make it worse-r.
But what if it’s for the “Greater Good”?
I think that the Woke Crowd as been using/believing/abusing that argument all along.
As long they get to decide what is for the ‘greater good’ it works well for them.
I figure it is more about CYA.
No one can complain that they weren’t warned about something if you warn them about everything.
LOL, they texted him… wow
Jason Kelce on the Tush Push pay.
“F my life!”
LOL
I really like Kelce
I dont. If he is as big a corporate schill as his brother, they both can fuck themselves.
What evidence is there that he is? If none get bent.
Perhaps folks can help reshape my thinking – I am driven some by an old experience. When I was a young baseball player – and pitchers are often framed like QB’s. In fact, in baseball, they actually put the W/L record behind your name.
Came home from school one summer and pitched in two leagues – one midweek and one weekend. Both leagues had a lot of good players with guys home from college.
In one league, we had a good team and I had the best W/L record in the league. In the other, we were the poorest team in the league and my W/l was near the bottom.
Now, I know I was the same guy, threw the same pictures, yet got very different W/L outcomes. And this was at the same time, so I was same pitcher.
Thus, I am shaped by this on the QB stat stuff. And actually, in baseball the pitcher has even more control that the QB in football.
Are W/L’s truly a QB stat?
No, neither are they for a pitcher, at least not a major stat anyway.s
I tend to agree with that – but many here seem to disagree with opinions.
I can help
#AllwaysKirk’sFault
And so it would seem. Don’t really understand it, but hell there’s a lot of things I don’t understand.
I was being sarcastic. Kirk is certainly not the only issue with this team. He gets the most focus from me for reasons I have stated way too often, apparently.
Wins, and especially playoff wins, are considered a QB stat only because the cream rises to the top and as the playoffs progress any QB’s weaknesses will be exposed. There are outliers like Flaco and Dilfer and Brad Johnson and even Russell Wilson. Zombie Peyton Manning was not very good with his last super bowl run, but that defense was great.
Kirk could QB a team to a championship, just not this team, the way it is currently build.
I continually ask for a reset, and draft the younger and less expensive guy and try to build something. Yes, there are other ways to do this.
I feel that having the QB on a rookie deal gives you a lot more freedom, and if you mess up the choice, you are NOT locked in to a no trade clause and fully guaranteed money.
Well reasoned and articulate.
Agreed, lots of ways to go and young drafted QB as much chance of being the choice of KAM as resigning KC or finding a cheaper bridge QB.
I am more worried about KAM getting things right than the method he decides to use.
A thoughtful and logical response – a couple of thoughts.
Just say “Kirk is not the only issue” to me implies a certain equivalence that is not really true. Kirk is a good player, but we have a shit load of, and I’ll be kind, barely “average” players.
And I believe the W/L stuff is vastly overstated – my thoughts shaped from above.
Playoffs – just heard 3 former SB winning players say – what do you expect from Hurts playing with a 30 ranked defense. Did you see that defense we put on display in that Giants playoff game.
Just me – I’m not into the rookie QB cheap stuff. – far to risky. I’m simply into start building a team and then take a shot at the riskier move where you can correct very quickly. I’m not into cheap or rebuilds per se>. If so would dump Hock for cheaper TE, JJ for draft picks, etc.
Oh well, different folks.
But original post was mainly about W/L’s being short sighted.
Thanks again.
Why not work on building the team you are after with a QB on a rookie contract that makes building that team easier and then when the pieces are all there, the QB is already in place and you just win? A la the Bengals. There is no guarantee you will be able to bring somebody in when you deem the team to be ready either. Who gets to decide when it’s time to pull the trigger and give up the next few drafts for one or two shots? This also gives you the benefit of taking the shot you’re talking about should the youngun not work out while also having the possibility of getting the next great one. If you don’t want to play a rookie next year then re-sign Kirk or bring in a vet at a reasonable price for a year or two. Sitting first round rookies seems to work for GB.
My thinking is shaped by trying to “manage” the risk to get to the right place with as little chance as possible.
If I have a lot of holes, I need to get some hits. Picking a QB is the highest risk biggest crap shoot of all. I’d fill holes that. I have a higher probability of hitting – maybe edge rusher, DT. Start building, I could even go QB as Mullens/Hall for now – if we’re rebuilding.
Then after a lot of holes filled with reasonable chance of success, then QB. Could trade for a Stafford then, or bridge (good one) and draft. And if I draft and the team is set, he’s playing – swim or fail. Not waiting a cople of years like the Bears. If drafted can’t cut it, then get another one. If I’ve built correctly, like Niners, gives a lot of options. for QB down the road.
You use the Niners as your example, but they didn’t wait to get a QB. They got Jimmy G then drafted Lance and kept building. I’m not saying to give up the farm to get a guy but draft one in the first or second, depending on value. If there is a guy that they think can be a stud and he is in reach, get him. Going the route of the Rams and trading for Stafford also included giving up multiple years’ draft picks to bring in veterans and an eventual cliff because they couldn’t pay everybody. Not to mention Stafford is at the end of his career and then what? I don’t think the Rams have had or will have a first round draft pick in the 21st century. No thanks. The Niners only have a year or two without some great drafts too due to the amount of contracts they have coming up. I’d rather be in the position of a Cincinnati or Buffalo or KC where the ups and downs from year to year are less because you have your guy at QB and only need to replace a few guys every year and you’re not as reliant on your entire team being stacked. Could the draft pick fail? Absolutely, but so could bringing in an aging vet like Cunningham, Favre, Moon, Cousins, George, Gannon, Bradford, McNabb. This is probably a big reason I am against the wait until a team is built and then bring somebody in. I’ve seen that story for the last 30 years with no success. Try to be the team with the guy you know is going to be taking snaps for the next 15-20 years for once. I’ve seen enough re-treads.
Sort of. Niners got Jimmy (gave up a second at time) but they were ready to roll at the time.
Rams made a strategic decision – we have enough to make a run right now and took their shot.
If I thought there was even a 50/50 chance with the QB selection, I would go your route. But I don’t think the hit rate is even close to that.
I’m merely trying to build a team that is so good, I can f’u the QB moves and recovery very quickly.
Now, if you can pick a Mahomes or burrow I’m all in. But the nothing tried nothing gained stuff is a path to bankrupcy.
I don’t think building a team that good is any more likely than hitting on one QB.
Of the last 48 teams to play in the Super Bowl approximately 70% of them had a QB they drafted. Of those that won the SB, 2/3 won with a QB they drafted.
Note.
The Vikings have only reached the super bowl with a QB they drafted.
Tarkenton.
Well, they drafted him, traded him away, and then traded to get him back….I think he fits both categories….drafted and acquired via trade/free agency.
It does actually.
that’s great – hope it works. Brady sure did well.
If it was Vegas, you bettin for/against KAM can pick the QBOTF with 1st round pick?
Clearly, prevailing thinking in the NFL is as you suggest.
Just me, I’d prfer starting next year with Mahomes lite than Wilson lite
I want to take a shot at getting the guy the rest are compared to. 10 years from now I want other teams looking for the next “insert name of Vikings QB”. There are ways to take that chance while also reducing your long term risk. Drafting a QB high that fails is not the death nail it used to be with the rookie wage scale, but hitting on one can make your team truly competitive for the next decade plus. I don’t have to trust KAM, but I think KOC may be able to pick one. KAM just needs to listen to his former QB head coach.
I don’t mind taking a shot either – we just disagree on when.
And correct, it’s not fatal. but pissing away high draft choices is never going to help. It’s a lot easier to pick a safety than a QB.
You mention KOC – who do you think he wants under center next year.
Oh, the allure of shiny new things.
I am just saying that taking a shot now leaves you the opportunity to try when you want to if necessary, therefore doubling your chances of success while also giving you a chance at having the QB set for 15 years. It’s plenty easy to waste a pick on a non-QB as well as the Vikings have shown. I think the overall success rate of all first round picks averages like 50%. I’d have to look, but I doubt the success rate of QBs is that much lower. The main difference is that if a guy ends up a JAG or backup somewhere it’s not a total failure if he’s a first round pick whereas a QB in the first round is either a starter or a bust.
Just a non GM question. Even with Mullens our offense looked good. Our defense looked like crap for several weeks. So pick some defensive talent – get some real studs.
And I’m guessing picking a QB is far less successful than other positions.
Byt hay, pick your QB if will make all the fans happy.
But Kwesi drafted Cine……
So maybe QB is something KAM and KOC can hit on and they should stay away from DBs. Trade for and sign DBs. Draft QBs, RBs, and WRs.
They drafted Jaren Hall…
That’s a 5th round pick. I’m not gonna hold that one against them. He could still turn out to be a serviceable backup which is about the most you can reasonably expect.
It’s an example of their ability to pick a QB that could reasonably be expected to have a chance to start. Cousins was a 4th round pick, and Mike Shanahan knew what he was doing.
And the jury is still out on Hall. He was a rookie that was expected to be #3 this year and was forced to play sooner than they expected him to be ready. If he sticks around at least through his rookie contract then that is a successful pick for a 5th rounder. Expecting a 5th rounder to be a legit starter is unrealistic and you know it. Shanahan did not know Kirk would be what he has been or he would have passed on RGIII and drafted Kirk higher. He thought he was getting a backup that could play if needed. Turned out he was a little better than that but Shanahan did not know that would be the case.
He had a long time to learn the offense, and study under Kirk Cousins. What Hall lacks is the ability to decipher NFL defenses quickly, and make decisions on the fly. Much like Mayfield, if his first read is there, he can deliver the ball. If not, he struggles. Can he develop? Sure? Will he? 50/50 at best.
A long time to develop? Not even half the season and he was the 3rd string QB at best for most of that time so it’s not like he was getting many reps, even in training camp.
QB’s in training spend a good 10 hours a day studying their position, and understanding how to execute an offense. Hall was drafted in April. he got his play book the next day. He spent OTA’s working for hours with coaches, and training camp too. He went through all the game planning meetings preparing as if he were going to play. He went through all the post game tape reviews. He basically lived and breathed NFL football for 8 months. He should have been able to make some better decisions in the game he played in. I didn’t see that though. I’m talking simple, fundamental reads he missed.
Hall was a wasted pick – at least for our style offense.
That’s my take as well, and also, no college in the country runs an offense like KOC’s. There’s probably 10 QB’s in the league today that could run it. It is pretty much fully dependent on the QB’s speed to process, and arm talent.
So if he couldn’t pick a safety, he’s going to do better at he the hardest potion in. football to pick.?
Zimmer was a defensive guy and the team did better drafting defensive players. KOC is an offensive guy and former QB. They hit on Addison and it is not out of the realm of possibility to think he could evaluate a QB.
True. But given the way colleges are turnning out top notch WR. I could pick a WR with a first round choice.
And let’s take the QB position. Pick one to run our offense. If I’m picking, big strong like Herbert who can stand in pocket, not get happy feet and then really throw it. Off my head, does Hall sound anything remotely close to that? Lineman in the NFL ain’t getting any shorter.
But, hopefully they pick well.
Man, that is bringing up a few good, and a lot of terrible memories.
Vikings PTSD is real. I need a gummy now.
Gannon was drafted by the Vikings.
Feels like we are missing a few more aging vets…..
Add:
Norm Snead
Archie Manning
Jim McMahon
Gus Frerotte
Matt Cassel
The Patriots drafted him and traded him to the Vikings so I guess that one doesn’t really count. I was just throwing names off the top of my head. There was also Frerotte, Griese, George I believe. I’m sure I’m missing more.
Yeah. I know.
Just reminiscing about Vikings QB lore.
Yeah, I think this is at least part of what makes Vikings fans want to draft one. We’ve seen the bring in the vet path long enough. It’s time to get your guy and be one of the teams that is set. At least try. I feel like I’ve been watching reruns since the 90’s. If the Vikings were a sitcom, there is about 4-5 seasons that are just playing on a loop.
I submit Cousins has never been an issue on the team. Ever. Almost every single negative narrative about him is not based in fact at all. He has been the only player on the team to play well every single year since 2018. The only guy consistently producing in the top 10 of his position in the league, every single year. He is not an issue. He is an asset.
I lean towards your position on that.
Why would I?
This is a relevant point…A good QB on a shitty to average team is going to have shitty to average won loss records….put him on a good team and he will have a good record.
Also, if you would have thrown “pitches” instead of “pictures” you may have had better success. 🙂
‘if you would have thrown “pitches” instead of “pictures” you may have had better success’
That Burn should help keep us all warn during this Arctic Vortex Thingie for a few hours.
What is it warning us about?
Being cold?
QBs and secondaries are most responsible for wins/losses, I reckon. They both have the most influence on turnovers, either getting them or giving them. Likewise, secondary could miss a key tackle that leads to long TD.
I suppose QBs are a notch further responsible, though. If a team is passing around 50 percent of their downs, and the QB is inaccurate, they are making things tougher for their team. Or if they make bad decisions on how/where they pass at critical moments.
All that can also be influenced by good or bad defense play.
But, at the end of the day, I don’t mind NFL QBs getting the lion’s share of responsibility in win/loss stuff. It’s all part of the fun.
Felt like “pictures” sometimes. Threw far too many pitches that summer.
If the QB or the pitcher suck, that team isn’t winning much, regardless of the other talent.
So they do matter for wins and losses.
More than any other single player on the team.
Did you really read this? Who said anything about the pitcher sucks?
Same GD pitcher. Lead one league in W/L for one team and near the bottom on the other team because it was a poor team.
Yeah. I read it. Did you read my post?
So if a pitcher or QB completely sucks, does that affect wins and losses?
Of course it does.
I get your point.
Definitely some truth to it.
Since our former starting QB didn’t suck, didn’t think it necessary to waste thought on that.
Just as a follow up.
How did your ERA and strikeouts compare between those teams?
ERA was slightly worse on bad team but more strikeouts.
Reasoning – pitching with runners on first and third one out, usually trying to throw low and away and get a DP ball. With a poor infield, try for strikeout – which is a little more high risk pitching.
Short answer, tried for a lot more strikeout pitching with poorer fielding team.
Good question..
The federal government of Canada desires an emission free electricity grid by 2035. This past weekend extreme cold in Alberta (a huge oil and gas province) resulted in electrical providers messaging customers warning that the demand on the grid was outstripping supply, and unless consumers started reducing power consumption they would start rolling blackouts.
Emission free electricity grid, on demand in extreme cold conditions, without nuclear, eh?
Actual Facts have no place in the debate for woke ‘climate change/global warming’ fanatics.
Politicians don’t care about people except for themselves.
What could possibly go wrong?
I see no issues here.
Don’t worry. When they have to start implementing blackouts they will be on an individual basis and be based on your personal DEI score.
Oh good point. We know privileged have better insulated housing than the oppressed minorities…therefore the power needs to be on where the oppressed minorities live just to make things fair.
I really think I am getting the hang of this DEI oppressed/oppressor stuff.
I work in this industry to a degree. Coal gets kind of a bad rap, but it is cheap and plentiful. You could probably dump money into making it more emission-friendly and be ahead of the game in the long run.
I don’t particularly care if people want to use renewables, but let the market dictate a gradual adoption of them, rather than a hard dive into them.
Fun fact, no QB in the NFL has produced more yards or TDs since 2019 than who?
Put up the banner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty sure it is NOT Kirk.
No, cherry picking Kirk stats starts at 2018
This will either be received in a vein of enthusiasm or a hailstorm of regret and I’m guessing the later.
Depends how you feel about
We don’t talk about him on Tuesdays…
You tricked us – bad boy.
How many Playoff wins does said QB have?
This is the correct question
5-4
I’d say Mahomes
You’d be wrong, but not a bad guess
Apparently a snag with the Michigan contract.
I assume Harbaugh is going to the NFL regardless.
Logs in.
Sees the continuation of the endless KC debate.
Realizes it is Tuesday.
Turns around and walks back out.
YOU LIKE KIRK TUESDAY?! YOU LIKE THAT?!
som people are obsessive and think that everyone has to agree with them.
I disagree and you should agree with me.
NEVER!!!
I need to add some emotion to my response also.
All Caps and Exclamation Points are much better than Logic and Reasoned Arguments.
I can’t wait until the QB dust settles – then we can all stop bitching about what might happen and start bitching about what they did….
Regardless of what they decide to do with the QB, I am sure it will still be Kirks fault if they stink for the next 3 years.
So… you’re looking forward to bitching about the Vikings QB… LOL, same shit, different day
Yep…we will all bitch about it…wait and see….
More likely, we will get the constant barrage of “If we had Kirk we would win more games” from the guy who says wins aren’t a QB stat.
You know its true. I personally would have lots of patience with a rookie
You have to give just about any new QB 3 years with the system.
I gave Kirk 3 years.
After 2020, it was clear that it wasn’t going to work.
That makes no sense. Cousins had a different OC every year for 5 years so what “system” did he play in that he could master? His first OC insisted he rewire his brain to run his offense. But even then Cousins put up more TD’s and yards than just about anyone else in the league over his first 5 years, and was leading the league in TD production before he got injured this year. What are you talking about?
Wins.
You know. Leading the team to wins.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Stats do not directly translate to wins.
You go from this:
‘You have to give just about any new QB 3 years with the system’
To talking about ‘leading the team to wins’.
Again which ‘system’ from the list of OCs I posted did you give KC three years in??
“Stats do not directly to wins” . Well they do, pretty much. You win games by scoring more points than the opponent. So scoring points is what the offense needs to contribute. If you have the 4th most prolific producer of passing TD’s in the league, then that shows the passing offense compared to the rest of the league is consistently exceptional. What does the QB do? He passes the ball. The Vikings passing offense has been amongst the best in the league ever since Cousins arrived and his stats show that.
How about looking at the entire rest of the teams stats? Do they measure up at all to Cousins? Not remotely.
Again you push the entirely false narrative that only one player on the team is accountable for wins and losses. How can you possibly rationalize that?
Was just looking at the list of 1yr OCs we went thru around that time.
Turner 2014-2016
Shurmur in 2017.
DeFilippo in 2018,
Stefanski in 2019,
G. Kubiak in 2020.
K. Kubiak in 2021.
and now Wes Phillps/KOC.
To put that into context, Brady had 3 OC’s in 20 years with New England, including 8 straight years with the same OC to finish his run there. Cousins is just trying to get two years with same OC and this coming year, he’ll be playing for a new team, and another new OC.
Well what else would you have? A rookie (like Bryson Young for instance) will likely not be able to run KOC’s system. He will probably suffer many rookie mistakes, and the etam will struggle to compete without a QB that can consistently put up TD’s and yards.
So yeah… patience. That’s basically all you got with a rookie. It’s a given.
I stand by that, and it’s rational. Cousins produces so highly, he gives an otherwise shitty team a chance to win. You simply refuse to acknowledge that.
WTF?
I always acknowledge that a QB is responsible for wins.
Kirk likely would have won 10 games and lead the team to the playoffs.
It’s you that claim QB’s aren’t responsible for wins, then claim Cousins would win more games. You are embarrassing yourself.
You once again have a comprehension issue. I did not say a QB is responsible for wins.
You Sir, are wise beyond your years!
I just wish people could be rational about this. If it’s Kirk, just support Kirk, he’s our guy then. If it’s some other guy support that guy. Same thing for Kewsi but it’s hard, I get it. His drafting hasn’t been great. His FA signings haven’t been the best always either. But I give him two more years, when he has HIS roster built.
KAM sucks so far, but he inherited a difficult situation with the roster and cap. We’ll see what he does this offseason.
I wouldn’t say he has sucked per say… but he has struggled that’s for sure lol. Cine and Booth are not good looks. Addison was basically a guy they couldn’t pass on but didn’t really want it seemed like lol.
He has sucked. Got completely hate raped in the first draft by Lions GM Brad Holmes and took bad players after that. Maybe Booth and Ingram develop but I’m not holding my breath. He sucks so far and needs to improve the team this offseason.
Yep.
KAM has sucked so far.
Doesn’t mean he should be fired. Yet.
Right, not fired yet, but I really hope if he continues down this path he doesn’t get 16 years like Rick did.
I am hoping ownership gives he and KOC three more seasons. Then BOOM. start over unless they hit the NFCCG at least.
Well apologies up front, but I don’t see it. KAM is not a football guy. He’s not a horse trader either. He’s a finance major. So far I haven’t seen him make a deal in the draft that was well considered, and very advantageous to the Vikings. I don’t think his acumen when evaluating talent and selecting players is very high. I don’t think he has the chops to build a Championship team.
As long as he has a good team around him and listens to them. His first draft was with what was left of the scout team that Rick had built. His in draft trades that first year were yuck, but maybe he can learn from them. I’d say draft 2 was better than one so that is at least one data point to say the trajectory is going in the right direction now that they are getting their people in place. We’ll see what happens this year.
So far so bad, regardless. We hired a guy who had no experience at any level in building a football team, to build a football team.
How is working for an NFL team as the Vice President of NFL Operations “no experience at any level”?
Making the personnel decisions, and building a team, isn’t what he did. He managed contracts.
He was a part of the process though which is experience. Lynch had less experience and it worked out for the 9ers. There are plenty of guys with lots of experience that have failed and vice versa.
Nope… not at all.
A director of football operations typically has a wide range of responsibilities, which can include:
Blather… sounds like resume fodder… his position was doing all the stuff the GM didn’t want to do.
Absolutely nothing about building a team from the ground up.
Yes, you’re generic Google search has to be more accurate than what the 49ers, Browns and Vikings say about him. All bow to NVF
I understand what the “Vice President of NFL Operations” does, and he does not do player evaluations, or player selections. He has no role in building the team. He just does the things listed to help the GM run it.
Them’s the facts.
Yes, you know more about how football teams work than the Browns, Vikings and 49ers teams. I get it.
I know lot more about a lot things…
Wow look… child state communication… grow up Bow… talk to me like man.
You’re sentence made no sense. You pulled a Five and tried to tell us all how smart you are while writing an incoherent sentence. I will poke fun at that one every time.
Thank you, that is adult. I am actually on a conference call and typing responses back to you so I’m multitasking. I get that doing this sometimes creates the opportunities for typo’s.
Right, you should get 5 years
“Rational” would be wonderful – but highly doubtful.
Gotcha is king.
I support Kirk.
I’m just not excited or optimistic that Kirk does anything more than one and done in the playoffs.
“The Vikings”… one and done. Cousins holds his own in the playoffs. He doesn’t choke, he goes out and does his job, and tends to do that very well. The rest of the team? Not so much.
Well if Queasy doesn’t get better at drafting ASAP and effs up the QB situation the Vikes might be the laughing stock of the NFC in two years. He could bury us in a deep, deep hole for years.
Are you sure the Vikings aren’t already a laughing stock?
We’re close… not quite there yet, but really close.
Just like Rick did.
Queasy could be worse.
that possibility makes me sad.
Me too.
Yeah, could be better, hope for the latter
I thought the Vikings were a missed chip shot field goal away from a Super Bowl, and in 2017 close to getting to the Super Bowl again? I thought Zim had a winning record?
By that rationale we should still love Dobbs and Mullens.
That is not how this works for me. While I want the team to win, and root for them, when I see something I do not like, I hope the team moves on.
Hunter can go. While he has had two very good seasons, the amount of cash he will demand is not worth it imo. And I really like that guy, but he can leave.
Davenport can go away.
H. Smith needs to retire.
Bradbury needs a different team. He can please go away.
I can cheer for the team to win, and still point out players I feel are falling short.
Fair point.
Accurate
Watched some good O-Line play this weekend….why can’t we have that?
The Vikings oline could be really good if they re-sign Risner and replace the Center and RG. They easily have a top 5 pair of Tackles, just need to shore up the interior.
I agree. Center needs to be upgraded first imo, but another guard please.
I will forever hate wReck for his 2021 draft. The Vikings had SEVEN, I repeat SEVEN picks between the third and 4th rounds but could have EASILY traded up for Creed Humphrey who went late in the 2nd round. Humphrey is easily more valuable than the combination of the shitball that is those picks.
Quantity over quality.
I think Slick got like 10 7th rounders with those picks.
He actually used ALL OF THEM, I can actually remember all of them:
Kellen Mond (ass, I think out of the NFL or maybe PS)
Chazz Seweratt (ass, I think out of the NFL)
Wyatt Davis (ass, I think out of the NFL)
Patrick Jones (ass but still with the team)
Wang (ass but still with the team, at least plays ST I guess)
Robinson (ass, lasted one year)
Bynum (not ass, but not an impact player and nowhere near All Pro Humphrey)
The trade value of those picks is insane compared to the impact of the players taken. Rick had balls early in his career and traded up for guys wrong or right like Harrison or Cordarrele, but then became a eunich. The end.
That is one hell of a shitty job…
LOL.
I was joking.
I know, but he really pissed that draft away
Just like when he passed on immediate starter Whitehair for Mack Alexander to sit on the bench lol.
I agree. Anger inducing.
I am not defending Bradberry, but how did he make the pro bowl as an alternate. 3rd in voting.
Probably because like 8 centers in the NFC better than him passed, literally nobody goes to the pro bowl anymore, its actually not even the pro bowl, its the pro bowl games. What does the center even do there?
There are 49 free agent OG’s in the NFL for 2024 (including Blake Brandel and Dalton Risner), and 27 Centers (including Austin Schlottmann and Chris Reed). Might could find a guy or two, to help the interior O-line.
To me, we have needs somewhat across the board to improve the roster. We need a 350+ lb Nose tackle for starters. We can’t stuff the run, and that Philly “Brotherly shove” isn’t going away. We need quality DB’s who can cover, but also hit and tackle. Our DB’s are weak sauce in that regard. Our linebacking corps has no thumper. We have smaller guys who get trucked in the hole. Our RB’s aren’t that great either. Finally, some sort of decent solution at QB is needed. How KAM solves these roster issues is his business, but the Vikings aren’t close at all, despite his comments to the contrary in his presser.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about, he Vikings don’t need a 350 lb nose tackle, the Vikings finished 8th in the NFL in rush defense but 24th in pass defense. Anyone with eyeballs knows they need a DT who can actually impact the pass rush from the interior. Christian Wilkins would be a great signing.
I’m talking about getting completely bowled over on 3rd and 4th and short, over, and over, and over. Ravens have a huge nose tackle, Buc’s have a huge nose tackle, etc. We have no dominant guy in the middle of the line at all. Put a Vita Vea or a Michael Pierce in the middle of our line and you’ll see real D-line dominance.
The Vikings already have a big fat guy in Tonga. They already had Pierce and he sucked or was injured. Again, the Vikings were top ten in stopping the run, that’s not an issue for this team, they need pass rush.
Well we can agree to disagree. I see no dominant force whatsoever on the D-line, and I think we need a huge, powerful, man at NT that demands a double team most of the time, Just my opinion.
On that we agree
Remember Kirk throwing short of the sticks on 4th and 8? We can debate all day long about what he should have done, but the reason why we’d do so is because he had little time to throw because stud DT Dexter Lawrence was all up in his business.
And that is exactly the type we need – your guy from Illinois maybe..
Draft him, or sign Christian Wilkins, who was drafted when B-Flo was the HC in Miami
Ben, we’re sympatico on this. A big, mean, strong, NT would make life much harder on opposing QB’s and RB’s IMO.
Well that could be due to LOTS of blitzing. It’s clear Flores rightfully thought we weren’t going to get much pressure or stop the run without blitzing. That could be part of the reason you see the good rush defense and poor pass defense. As some have pointed out at times we were way out of position with our DBs because of the blitz looks we were trying. I still love he liked to blitz I just wish we had the guys to win without it as well.
None of this makes sense.
Facetious?
IDK
Losing sometimes clouds judgement (general – not meant to be a shot).
Look at Cowboys. 4 days ago they were considered one of the most talent teams in football and certainly competitive.
Now, after one game?
They are clearly one of the most talented teams in the league, and certainly competitive. They came out and laid an egg in one game though. Even the Lakers with Magic got beat once in awhile. Yankees lost too sometimes. It happens.
That’s why fans are crazy and certainly not objective. Fans want Scirianni fired. And the Rams fans think McKay is a terrible play caller after the other night.
Dallas simply played a crappy game – it happens.
To that end, i don’t think we’re as far away as man think.
Well, we’re in a position where we have a ton of free agents likely departing the station, and KAM will need to not only replace them, but upgrade as well. We’ll see if he has the chops to actually build a Championship caliber team. I’m doubtful.
Harder to do with KC $48m cap hit on the books.
What $48M cap hit? Also Cousins isn’t responsible for cap hit woes. It was KAM that pushed his contract into four void years. GM’s are accountable for cap management, not players.
If they don’t resign him his Cap Hit for 24 is $28.5M (my bad).
You stated ‘we have a ton of free agents likely departing the station, and KAM will need to not only replace them, but upgrade as well’.
I was only pointed out that restocking will be more difficult with the Cap Hit.
I never said the cap hit was KCs fault.
If we don’t re-sign Kirk, I will give KAM a free ride for the ’24 season. After that the cap balance should be in a better situation.
But you know what has never happened? No team without Kirk Cousins has ever lost. It’s Kirk’s fault!
Bolster the interior OL and after that get some talent on the defense. Probably need a RB who isn’t terrible. Is there anyone on the team we like as a starter at RB? Chandler is the only one and that’s a HUGE maybe.
We don’t ask for excellence on the OL in Minnesota remember?
Thought we were suppose to ‘demand excellence’.
Oh yeah that’s right lol.
Matt Kalil remembers… so does Pepperidge farm
Haha!
the NFL is such a fickle beast….
eagles were so pedestrian this year. after a couple years of absolute domination…
it’s not easy to build a repeating year after year contender.
all the while the vikings stumble around in mediocrity
The eagles have made the playoffs the last three years and made it to the Super Bowl last year while the Vikings sit at home watching legit teams make playoff runs while eating snowcones and didlling themselves
Not my fault the Vikings are perverts
it was meant for the vikings not you.
but i know you are a perv too
It is ture I am pervert, but so are Vikings
Ture
Used to describe someone who’s a total dickhead and takes their stupidity to a whole new different level,has a really bad grammar,Loves to watch turtle sex and asks you stuffs such as “hey!do you know *name of a famous celebrity*, I know!”
LOL, so ture
And they are discussing firing the head coach… after three years of success.
Its crazy to think about that. He’s made the playoffs every year and made a SB appearance… but man did they fall apart going from 10-1 to 11-6, getting blownout in most of those games and getting curbstomped in the WC round. My guess would be he’s back but there are changes to his staff. I don’t think they’ll be better next year either, their best player is retiring, they’ve got aging vets all over the defense as well.
Some of it – they started running s system most teams weren’t used to seeing. Now teams have adjusted.
Other issues too
That’s what makes a good coach, the ability to adjust and get your team to bounce back, which Sirriani doesn’t seem able to do so far
Believe he came in and actually adjusted offense to fit the QB. Now he needs plan two.
Right, its like Cam Newton, build the offense to fit him, find success, the league adjusts, and… no answer.
If they fire him it sounds like it will be more of a personality issue than W/L’s. If he stays I foresee Brown demanding out.
Lol hes so qwerky and a dork, I love him. LIFE LONG CONTRACT BECAUSE MY 5 YEAR OLD LIKES IMITATING HIM AND WEARING CHAINS WITH HIS SHIRT OFF – Average Vikings Fan
We’re the laughing stock of the league and most fans are fine with it. Sad
Greatest mediocre QB of all time !!!
Stats over wins baby !
that guys mustache really make this whole gif
He really needs to meet with Flores.
That and the walmart quality 80s looking shirt
Because the other 52 men on the team do not in any way, shape, or form, affect the outcome of a game? I cannot see how this could ever be accepted as a rational point of view.
Well you admit it when you post stuff like, “If Cousins were the QB, the Vikings would be in the playoffs, or would win 11 games or would go 6-0 during that stretch of the schedule.”
You are the one who is irrational and can’t directly admit that QB’s are responsible for wins.
Your comprehension skills are lacking here.
I have said, repeatedly, that without a QB that can put up yards and points, a team cannot compete. It’s a very simple equation. No points, no wins.
So with a competent QB, a team has part of the equation taken care of. You still need a competent rest of the team to have a chance in the NFL. It’s like riding a tri-cycle with two wheels. It ain’t go far.
Like the idea of building a contender.
Noted the two ranked number 1 contenders in the playoffs had the #1 and #3 ranked defenses for ppg allowed.
They also drafted their QBs and didnt sign aging vets coming off injuries. You can sign players and make a good defense when your QB isnt taking up 1/4 of the cap.
Yeah, almost like drafting your QB is the best course of action
Look at Dallas.
Dak has a huge 2024 cap hit. Like around $60 million.
They gotta pay Cee Dee and Micah right?
Recipe for disaster.
Which means Kirk gets re-signed and the can gets kicked down the road for another 3 years for a 50/50 shot at a playoff spot.
The window to win with Dak is gone, he’s a good not great QB whose cap hit will now be a detriment to his team. There’s a reason he is called The Black Kirk Cousins
Dak has benefitted from a great O-line in front of him, quality receivers, and strong RB’s his whole career. He is a very good QB, but he also has everything in place give him the ability to fully exercise his talents.
Cousins has never in his career enjoyed that type of situation. Yet, Cousins still puts up top shelf TD’s and yardage tallies every year. So who is better? The guy with the great line, great receivers, and great running game? Or the guy with just great receivers?
Conveniently ignores having top 10 WRs every year he was on the Vikings along with a top half running attack every year except this year. As well as a top 10 Defense his first two years here and an average line half that time as well. Bro your goal posts are moving so far they are in the parking lot, trying to defend your son in law has to be exhausting when you know deep down you’re wrong.
Maybe they were top 10 receivers, because they had an amazing QB, taking massive hits in the pocket, and still delivering the ball to them. Conveniently forget that?
JJ had 192 yards receiving with Nick Mullens in the final game of the year.
You just conveniently forget that?
And he had 225 (team record) the last time he played that team with the other QB.
Silly points, silly counter points?
So what you’re saying is Kirk Cousins is only33 yards better than Mullens?
Made a silly point to counter another one. Both are BS and pole vaulting over mouse shit.
Yeah, my point was meant to be silly as well
No, he’s 15% better.
Well, are you saying that JJ can never be good without Cousins, as NLNVF is claiming?
You are making the point that JJ doesn’t need Cousins. JJ Transcends the QB and will have to because Cousins is at the end of his career while JJ is still on his first contract.
Nope never said that. JJ would do just fine with a lot of guys.
But the real question, if we could eliminate all the shit slinging. would JJ’s production drop off, and to what extent, with someone different?
Doubt we can get there though.
It clearly didn’t drop off with Mullens.
No way to prove that at this point.
Maybe we find out in 2024.
225 to 192 over course of season – not sure either way.
But would say this, based upon baseball background – pitcher who throws at 96 and one who throws at 93 doesn’t seem like much – but it’s huge.
Depends where you put it, 96 down the middle is incredibly different than 93 on the corner, just ask Greg Maddux.
Of course – Maddux lived in the black.
Was trying to illustrate a point about small differences are a lot bigger issues than some think.
Probably my favorite pitcher of all time not named Jack Morris….
I never claimed that, but you do you. My point is receivers need competent QB’s to make them great. Dobbs isn’t going to be that guy, Jaren Hall isn’t going to be that guy either. Look at what happened to Adams after he left Rodgers and Green Bay. Good receivers need good QB’s.
Mullens is a very competent QB and can sling it. I believe I was the one who pointed that out to the folks here calling for KOC to start Hall. While he wants to throw the ball deep every play and get big chunks of yardage, he doesn’t process as fast, has a weaker arm, and throws too many interceptions compared to Cousins. Mullens is aggressive, and he definitely wants to, and can, chuck the ball. Just lacks some things to be really good.
So is Mullens amazing like Cousins?
Your adjective, not mine.
Not remotely.
EVERY QB TAKES MASSIVE HITS! Christ almighty. He’s not special. At all. You WILLINGLY ignore that. I forget nothing. I omit whats important and whats not.
What an emotional response… really just stop being emotional, and try being rational. I have repeatedly detailed that since becoming a starter in 2015, Cousins is amongst the most hit, knocked down, and sacked QB in the league, because he has always played behind terrible lines. So yes, every QB takes hits, but not at the rate Cousins does. Also, Cousins somehow withstands all those hits and still produces more TD’s and yards than most QB’s.
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That’s funny! Got one for the haters?
Yep, and you still refuse to accept it. You’re gonna get even bigger…
I don’t disagree with what you say about Dak, but I still think its funny people call him the Black Kirk Cousins and will still laugh about it, mainly because its a slight about him
Not surprised. Bruce Allen started the media slights against Cousins when he usurped RGIII in 2015. Allen hated the fact that Cousins was a better QB than Griffin in the end, and he had egg all over his face for the draft deal he and Dan Snyder cooked up to get Griffin. He called Cousins “Kurt” when being interviewed, and it was Allen who started the narrative that Cousins was just a stats guy, nothing more. The media picked that up and ran with it. Allen did this as negotiating tool, to discredit Cousins and get him to sign a lowball contract. Cousins refused to do so, and has been a top quality QB now for a long time, but until this year, the media has always looked at him as mediocre. Ever notice how commentators don’t even know his career production stats compared to other QB”s, but can quote “his” MNF wins and losses record? Ever notice how they don’t know that Cousins has had a different OC every year, or he has played his whole career behind terrible lines? They seemed surprised too, when he comes out and plays well. Like wow, he can throw the ball while getting creamed!
I don’t think calling him “kurt” is funny. I just find it funny for whatever reason that Dak’s teammates call him Black Kirk Cousins.
And D-linemen openly joke about him choking under pressure.
It wasn’t his teammates that called him that, I think was that A. Smith guy on ESPN.
I thought it was Amari Cooper?
The report was Amari called him that in a team meeting after their playoff loss to the 49ers.
I did not know that.
Learn something new every day.
It was Amari Cooper among other players
I’d love finding a quality QB capable of playing for a number of years with a 7th round pick. Would be great.
Say we do that – now what? What’s the next player/position we get? then what.
Oh you conveniently left out Lamar Jackson in your comment. He’s in there too, don’t leave him out to because he was Round 1, pick 32. Round 1. Im not talking about the exception to the rules, done playing that game when it comes to QB discussions. Say we draft a QB round 1, sign a cheap vet for a 1-2 year deal, deal with the lumps next year, Kirks money is FULLY removed from the team, imagine the free agents we can sign, pieces we can move. We can get a legit center now, another guard, a stud DE or two, a starting caliber CB. All of those in that order.
You seem to pick and choose pretty well when you present scenarios – can’t the rest of us too?
I’m done with the QB BS too. And that means using the #1 pick as the only method of building a compeititor.
Rams won a SB and went out and got Stafford. Bucs did so with Brady. Niners. got there with Jimmy G and I believe Hurst was a second rounder.
Regardless, there’s several ways to get this done.
I NEVER SAID THE NUMBER ONE PICK I SAID FIRST ROUND! READ! Rams and Bucs ALREADY HAD THEIR LINES AND DEFENSE BUILT UP AND WERE READY TO CONTEND TO MAKE THAT MOVE! The 2023/2024 VIKINGS ARE NOT IN THAT POSITION! AT ALL! There are several ways to get this done but the Vikings current roster and Cap hits ELMINATE MANY OF THEM! Context, context context. And I pick and choose nothing, I just dont defend the lousiest of the best QBs in the history of the NFL and back up why with proven better options.
I don’t love/hate either Try to be “football” objective. And I come from little knowledge of all the GM stuff.
But if I’m building a team, I’m going the Niner route not the Ravens. One team is very QB centric and the other is not. Lamar has finished one. of the last three years and it did ‘t work out. Niners, they can lose 3QB’s and still beat anybody. I like that better.
Now, you and the Cousins stuff – even though it’s Tuesday, I’ll let others decide that.
I agree, I prefer how the 49ers have built their roster better than the Ravens (in the long term not the short term). And they didnt get there by over paying for an injured vet QB.
Well, they did pay Jimmy G but moved off of him. They moved off of Lance too after giving up draft picks.
They aren’t afraid to gamble or admit the mistake.
Yeah, they didn’t pay Jimmy crazy money but eating the turd sandwich of moving off Lance was only possible because they drafted Purdy.
I don’t completely disagree with your point but the reality is the 49ers got lucky as hell with Purdy, and he saved their ass when it comes to this narrative. If they didn’t have him come out of nowhere and do what he’s done, they’d be getting a ton of heat about Jimmy G and Lance. Instead, they won the “Mr Irrelevant lotto” and they got a free pass on any major, negative backlash regarding what they paid Jimmy and gave up for Lance.
Its not rocket science, if you have a 7th round QB on rookie contract you can re-sign anyone worth it and go get some FAs. Not sure what the point of this comment is.
It was in response to a suggestion (or thought) of going with QBOFT as the way to build a contender. Was merely pointing out other ways to get there. Mentioned some others below – if that doesn’t help, will try again.
Things sometimes get posted out of order here.
Gotcha
We have had the capital to go out sign free agents, and draft new guys. 62 draft picks since 2018. It’s not the Cousins contract, it’s the players we have selected over the last decade really, who have failed the team.
I agree drafting has been the major problem, Rick sucked ftmp since 2015 and KAM has mostly sucked so far.
Yep. Drafting has mostly sucked.
Jefferson, Darrisaw and Addison are about the only ones I can think of that were worth the pick.
Even JJ is a product of that 2015 draft. The Vikings haven’t had a good draft since then.
Huh?
JJ was drafted in 2020 right?
Yeah, with the pick they got from trading Diggs to Buffalo after drafting him in the 5th round in 2015. That 2015 draft was amazing.
What about when a player not on the team has a $28 mill cap hit?
That is not on the player. The GM manages the cap.
some good from all things.
Hearing most. of the year NFC North is a crappy division – yet we have two of the remaining four teams left in NFC.
Yep…How many from the famed NFC EAST are left???
So happy the Bucs kicked the Eagles ass
Most likely scenario is lions in the NFCCG against SF, possibly but highly unlikely an all NFCN NFCCG. That lions rams game might end up being the best game of the playoffs, I wish the rams had played someone else or pulled out that win, they were playing as well as any team the last half of the season.
Bucs are really up and down. Can see Lions/Niners and then Niners to SB.
Rams are interesting. Hung tough all year, well coached and despite holes were right there.
Mayfield threw almost every pass last night to his first read, and they were pretty much open all night. Like shooting fish in a barrel. When his first read wasn’t there, he looked bad. The Eagles defensive gameplan wasn’t apparent to me, but whatever it was, it wasn’t very good.
I agree, he either threw to his first read or took off running or got sacked.
Still pissed that the FTP won, but, it was very funny watching Dallas get crushed. Mixed feelings…
Seeya, Eagles!
We could have an NFC North NFC Championship. The NFL would be torn on that one. On one had, you have the feel-good Lions. On the other hand, Packers.
In the AFC, I’m sure the NFL is hoping for a Taylor Smith Super Bowl.
Taylor Swift vs. Green Bay in the Super Bowl is nightmare fuel.
Pretty sure the script is SF vs Baltimore, and Baltimore wins.
Already seen that, SF wins this time
Id be okay with that script.
Damn, the Eagles’ collapse has been amazing. What the hell happened to them?
I did hear Aikman and Buck mention in passing that Hurts might have a more-serious-than-disclosed knee injury, but who knows. Eagles basically lost 6 of their last 7 games. That is a major fall.
That doesn’t explain their defense absolutely falling apart though. I read that it’s possible there are major coaching changes.
Philly fans became so insufferable, the team finally gave up playing for them.
The defense definitely looked like they gave up.
Weird they’d give up when 10-1, but that is what it looked like
Prayers were answered.
GM
FTP
FT Eggles
8 teams remain in the playoffs.
Each of those teams has better QB play (Even Tampa, last night at least) vs what the Vikings have had over the last 6 years.
I’d even take Baker at his cap cost vs what the Vikings keep doing.
This should be simple.
Start over with a less expensive, at the start, rookie QB.
If you make a wrong choice, move on as quickly as possible (See SF/Lance).
Keep doing that until you finally find a QB you think you can win a championship with.
If you are wrong, as GM, prepare to be fired if you do not change course quickly, or hitch your wagon to a failure like the Vikings have done for years and years.
Skol
I had great fun watching Baker get a playoff win. I like Mayfield. He’s not great, but for $4 million, he is pretty good value.
Yep. I agree. Entertaining, but expect bad things too often to be a long term solution.
Guy balled out last night. So fun to see.
Is Mayfield at $4 mil > Kirk at $40 mil?
Better> No. Cheaper, yes. Bet on KAM to go cheaper, regardless, and I don’t necessarily blame him. It’s business.
I honestly don’t know what the right decision is at QB for this team. They could go cheaper with a Mayfield or Minshew and invest cap space elsewhere but with signings like the complete waste of space Davenport do you trust the FO to use that valuable cap space wisely? IDK, maybe it would be best to invest it in Cousins based on the history of the FO performance.
Personally, I see that building a roster like the 49ers have, means spreading the wealth around, and not investing $40M a year or more in a single player. That said, you have to have a system that young QB’s can run, with a great O-line, talented receivers, and yeah, a guy like Christian McCaffery.
Good morning, again. SKOL!
FTP!
Still learning this GM stuff and what to do – I pretty much have it backwards.
Was listening to at least 10 different analysts yesterday on various show, and all seemed to say the same thing – playoff football is about defense and running the ball.
Seems most of the conversation here by a large margin hardly talks about that stuff and usually centers around one topic.
I agree with all of that. Defense and a running game are much easier to build if you are not overpaying for 1 position. That could also be overpaying a WR to the detriment of the rest of the team.
My contention has been, since 2018, that the Kirko contract hamstrung this teams ability to stack the rest of the roster, and what moves they did make, obviously did not work out well.
I feel Kwesi is trying hard to get out from under the Rick cap-hell. That much is good.
But I read here more than. regularly about the QB (and his contract) and so very very little about the other.
Yep,,, irrational narrative pushed by people who have an agenda. Just a blog though. Irrational lives large on blogs.
I contend the Cousins contract hasn’t hamstrung the team. I think there was a data point about the amount of money spent on the defense being top half of the league. The problem has been the GM not bringing in the right players in the draft, free agency, and trades. That includes KAM thus far. Bad player selection is at the heart of the Vikings woes.
I agree to a point that kirk’s contract hurt us in the long run. But, our drafting after 2017 was horrible. We kept old players that we shouldn’t have and signed them to contracts that were beyond their abilities.
Had we started drafting Barr’s, Griffin’s, Rhode’s, Kendricks’ and Smith’s replacements in the 2018 drafts, as opposed to signing them to bad contracts we may have been contenders for the last 5 years.
Yep, Vikings needed to do a better job of not paying guys to do farewell tours.
Most GMs don’t get a chance to try more than once. John Lynch saved his hide because he drafted Purdy. The wilfs are different though, wReck got many chances to draft, trade for, or sign a QB and never found success.
That is patently untrue Surly. As I have said repeatedly, only three QB’s in the league have thrown more TD’s than Cousins since 2018. The Vikings have benefitted from remarkable QB play for the last 6 years. It’s the rest of the team that has played far from stellar football.
The false narrative you push out on Cousins isn’t borne out by the data.
Great center on a shit team in a shit city.
I like him a lot, I watch his podcast sometimes, great dude. I can’t blame him for getting drafted by the poopeaters.
I agree, I have watched two episodes of that podcast and no longer hate either of those guys. Taylor’s boyfriend can play also.
Yeah, its weird the things that bring people together. For example, I could give a shit less about Taylor Swift and normally tolerate her only because my daughter likes her songs, and my wife would rather gouge her eyes than watch football, but Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelce has actually brought us closer in a new way. We would normally have nothing to talk about between those two subjects but now enjoy regular conversations about their podcast and what’s going on with Travis, Jason, Momma Kelce, and Taylor.
A great center. He will be missed.