Minnesota Vikings Discussion – SkolAsylum: 24 Apr 2023

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An old friend made Pat McAfee’s list of biggest draft busts in NFL history, from SI.com.

The Strib highlights five points to ponder as we enter draft week.

From NFL.com, the Jets and Packers have re-engaged in talks regarding QB Aaron Rodgers.

CBS Sports looks at top draft blunders in NFL history.

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vking1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
25 April 2023 1:04 pm

Draft Bijan Robinson!!

cybersproutsetup
Admin
25 April 2023 10:40 am

test

kathy.clater.3
kathy.clater.3
25 April 2023 2:47 am

Robert Barnes on Tucker Carlson firing, starts about 40 minutes in.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  kathy.clater.3
25 April 2023 4:10 am

Pretty solid take on Fox overall and their hopeful demise in market share. Tucker will resurface on some network or platform that doesn’t matter and these 2 million viewers will likely spread across multiple news sources to get their red meat.

kathy.clater.3
kathy.clater.3
24 April 2023 10:47 pm

Interesting perspective on the Carlson situation.

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson’s Firing

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 6:04 pm

Potter is free, careful people.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 8:12 pm

Harry?

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 5:48 pm

BIDEN IN 2024! I’D RATHER PREP FOR A COLONOSCOPY EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!

cybersproutsetup
Reply to  norseman1
25 April 2023 10:51 am

LOL – test

Lifer
Admin
24 April 2023 5:42 pm

Honestly now that Rodgers has been traded out of the NFCN if I were GM of the Vikings I would do this draft and if Richardson doesn’t slide I would immediately sign Kirk to a 4 yr deal and lock up the best QB in the division which gives you a HUGE advantage in winning the division every year and making the playoffs. It’s just the odds are in the favor of the best QB getting his team to the division title over the newbs who may end up sucking.

KFEY93
Reply to  Lifer
24 April 2023 5:56 pm

Winning the weakest division in football and getting bounced in the WC round is not the end goal. Think bigger, better Lifer.

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  KFEY93
25 April 2023 3:55 am

We would have gone farther in the playoffs last year if our defense didn’t make Daniel Jones look like prime Mahomes. Kirk is not the issue and how that escapes you makes you look like you don’t know much about the game when I know you do. Whatever your personal dislikes are about Kirk you need to let those go. He hasn’t had a decent defense in 4 yrs in MN…Zim sucked down the stretch as mr defensive guru.

Lifer
Admin
24 April 2023 5:25 pm

Rodgers made $305 million with the Packers. Plus endorsements he’s likely made over half a billion dollars. That’s fucking ridiculous.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Lifer
24 April 2023 5:38 pm

Little bit of coin there

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Lifer
24 April 2023 5:16 pm

I like Richardson a lot. Zero chance he’s falling that far

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 5:27 pm

yeah I think he doesn’t make it past Atlanta. Likely 4 QB’s go in the top 10 picks.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Lifer
24 April 2023 5:45 pm

Ya I said that a couple weeks ago. No QB gonna slide

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 5:08 pm

Lots of poles today

VikingPhilip
24 April 2023 4:56 pm

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VikingPhilip
Reply to  Lifer
24 April 2023 4:59 pm

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Lifer
Admin
Reply to  VikingPhilip
24 April 2023 5:13 pm

Just to note…I never watched one single episode of CNN with Don Lemon…he never did much for me as a viewer for the few minutes I’ve watched him. Maddow is way better.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  VikingPhilip
24 April 2023 8:14 pm

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 4:41 pm

Place is dead, try some twinks and yanks i guess. Balmy 48 here in metro.

No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 4:12 pm

Bears have released Harrison Hand…

vking1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
25 April 2023 1:40 pm

Talk to the Hand!!

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No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 4:08 pm

Duh

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 4:29 pm

Not consecutive but they also had another QB for 12 years or so , Bart Starr, that won a few SBs and MVP’s. and is in the HOF. Franchise seems to do pretty well at the position.

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 4:00 pm

Hmm

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 3:42 pm

Poll question.
Move up
Move down
Stay put

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 3:46 pm

Depends on who is available and what compensation is offered or requested.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:50 pm

QB situation intrigues me, Just think they may lean that way. Don’t see a KC extension.

FloridaSKOL
24 April 2023 3:34 pm

So, the Jets agreed to the Trade, just to make us stop talking about nude Brad pics?

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 3:34 pm

Dang the Packers squeezed the Jets, got there first round pick

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 3:34 pm

Nah, they swapped 1s. Jets moved back 2 spots is all.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:35 pm

Could get next years 1 if Rodgers doesn’t get hurt.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 5:03 pm

Likely late rounder anyway. NBD.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 8:01 pm

*their, but potentially yes

benjammin
Admin
24 April 2023 3:33 pm

LOL, Rodgers counts 40 mil against the Packers salary cap this season.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:37 pm

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:51 pm

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No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:51 pm

Lot of cash there. Now we have to see if Jordan Love is any good I guess.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:53 pm

And in a year or two, or three, we can have the Hooker Love games twice a year.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:54 pm

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:54 pm

Potentially

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:56 pm

My sister (a Packers fan) has already texted me about Rodgers being a Viking in 2024. The Vikings better extend Cousins, draft one high this year, or both or I don’t even want to imagine it.

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No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 4:00 pm

Well for what it’s worth, people who are concerned with Cousins turning 35 and suddenly he won’t be able to throw the ball, think, walk and chew bubble gum, etc are probably going to be shocked when he plays well for another 3-5 years. That said, KAM will bring in a young guy who will maybe get a roster spot this year.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 4:03 pm

If he plays well for the Vikings for 3 years and the rook sits, I’m fine with that, if they can come up with a contract that stops with the dead hits. Otherwise, its time to move on. He’s closer to retirement than his rookie deal and nobody knows how long he’ll be able to or even want to play. He might just get tired of getting the crap beat out of him and hang em up.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 4:05 pm

he might indeed

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:55 pm

I especially like that the Packers only get one year to see what they have in Love. Unless he is great or absolutely horrible, what do they do with him at the end of the year? What if he is just kind of meh, because you know, it’s his first year starting? Can’t really sign him to a huge deal, although I hope they do but he also won’t want to take a small deal if he is their starter. Could get interesting and they might be in the QB market next year.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:56 pm

Cousins will be a Packer in 2024…

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:58 pm

I thought you liked Cousins? Why would you think such evil thoughts towards him? I don’t dislike Kirk, just think it’s time to plan for the future, even if that is a couple years away. I would never wish the Packers on him.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 4:03 pm

I was being facetious

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 4:04 pm

Yeah, I know. I can’t think of many players I would wish GB on, other than, well Rodgers.

KFEY93
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 4:01 pm

Subscribe. Guarantees more years of no SBs for them.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 4:02 pm

Be careful what you wish for…

KFEY93
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 4:22 pm

I wish for no more GB SBs in my life time

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 5:36 pm

I’m good with that

bowbunch
bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:32 pm

I thought the Jets had 2 first round picks this year?

bowbunch
bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:29 pm

With the Rodgers deal done now, what would the Jets accept to offload Wilson? If cheap enough I still say bring him in to back up and learn from Cousins and potentially compete with the Hooker next year.

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 3:24 pm

Jets over pay.

benjammin
Admin
24 April 2023 3:21 pm

Northwoods
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:23 pm

“……..and Aaron Rodgers gets a buttload of money and the opportunity to go out on a low note.”

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 3:25 pm

I hope he plays 64.9% of the plays by missing time in the middle of the season but the Jets still make the playoffs and contend. I strongly dislike Rodgers, but that seems like the best way to screw the Packers over and I dislike their organization more than a single person.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 4:35 pm

KFEY93
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:25 pm

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES COME ON!!!

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:26 pm

Over/Under on how long it takes Skolly to post the same tweet? 15 minutes?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:30 pm

like a billion to one odds

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:32 pm

FTP!

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:33 pm

Finally mick and others can stop saying Cousins to Jets

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 3:34 pm

JJ to Houston for 2, 12 and a pick next year now? That would be one way to move up and take a QB.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 3:33 pm

Let the summer of Love begin!

No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 2:48 pm

Number 400 for today

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 3:03 pm

Some new features coming w the change?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 3:04 pm

Nude pics of Brad I heard…

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:05 pm

Northwoods
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:10 pm

Heh heh heh. Like the classic joke –

“Got any naked pics of your wife?”

“No.”

“Wanna see some?”

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:12 pm

That would NOT be fun to watch.

Wrenage
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 3:20 pm

Nude pics of Brad, you say?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Wrenage
24 April 2023 3:27 pm

More like:
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No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 4:06 pm

Laughing… so hard

Northwoods
Reply to  ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 3:11 pm

Adding that chatbot – it will automatically perform a Cousins debate so we don’t have to.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 3:12 pm

That would be fun to watch.

KFEY93
Reply to  ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 3:13 pm

Lets have two bots argue it out. We can name one BotFive and the other BotLifer

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 3:15 pm

With a live video feed…

Northwoods
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 3:16 pm

I’d imagine it would devolve to the Argument Skit from Monty Python.

“No it tisn’t.”
“Yes it tis.”
“No it tisn’t.”
“Yes it tis.”

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 3:18 pm

No I’m sure the one of the AI bots would be able to convince the other of the truth in their particular point of view.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 3:32 pm

KFEY93
24 April 2023 2:38 pm

I may or may not be going to game 6 of the Wild with a lady friend on Friday. Small chance, but there’s a chance. Would be my first NHL game, and she wants club level seats. Would be a blast. Will update.

NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:51 pm

If the Vikings don’t trade we will be picking at around 10:45, correct?

NoDakRube
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:53 pm

I am guessing the Tpups game will be on a little earlier Thursday so it should be all wrapped up by the time the Vikes Pick.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:57 pm

Think draft i over at 10:30 CST. Correct me if wrong.

DE Viking
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 2:14 pm

6 picks an hour.
32 divided by 6 = 5.33 hours, which is after midnight cst.

I would guess round 1 ends closer to 11:30 pm cst

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 2:15 pm

What happens if a team misses their pick? Nah, that would never happen.

NoDakRube
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 2:23 pm

Only a team with inept leadership doomed to eternal failure would ever actually miss a pick.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 2:26 pm

Now I has a sad.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:59 pm

They’ll trade back to the end of Round 1, maybe around 29 or 30, then trade out of the first round completely so Vikings fans sit up for the entire round for nothing. That’s how you get expectations up and let your fans down and it is the Viking way.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 2:03 pm

Correct.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 2:05 pm

They should just trade all of this year’s picks for next year’s picks and really load up for 2024.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 2:10 pm

I like it.

NoDakRube
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 2:00 pm

The 23rd pick is scheduled for about 10:06 central….

DE Viking
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 2:02 pm

6 picks an hour. Pick 19 would be scheduled for 10pm.
How is pick 23 scheduled for 10:06pm?

Northwoods
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 2:20 pm

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ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 3:04 pm

Many teams don’t take the full time.

DE Viking
Reply to  ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 6:25 pm

I get that.
Maybe we should have an over/under on what time the Vikings pick is made?

bowbunch
bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:39 pm

Who are the other 4 smart people in this QB pole?

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:51 pm

*poll, obviously you’re not one of them, lol

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:52 pm

Damn it. My first unintentional spelling error in forever and it is when I post about smart people. The irony.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:54 pm

Yeah, I laughed when I read your comment

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:55 pm

Stupid work is distracting me today.

KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:27 pm

Lol got my alt Reddit account banned from r/nfl because I laughed at someone who was mocking someone for saying “masks were worthless in covid” I said ” Lol, its 2023 and you STILL believe masks and placebo juice in a syringe really did anything against Covid, F.” Mods perma banned me for “covid misinformation”. Fuck I hate big tech and its obsession with sucking at the teat of the state.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:36 pm

We all did, i consider it a badge of honor.

KFEY93
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:37 pm

They probably just checked who was on the Vikings form there and banned everyone lol. Those conversations got pretty wild.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:57 pm

Yeah they did

KFEY93
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 2:31 pm

I mean, I get it. No sweat off my sack.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:34 pm

Reddit has fallen so hard. Use to be a bastion of freedom. Now it’s a bastion of freedumb.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
24 April 2023 1:35 pm

You are only allowed to think freely if you freely come to the same conclusion as the government.

KFEY93
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
24 April 2023 1:39 pm

And they are blatant about it too, dont even try to hide they are an extension of the man and only assign mods who will bend the knee. Whats that they say about Evil? Evil rarely hides its intentions, true evil always makes its presence known.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:42 pm

The people who have censored and imprisoned their enemies have always turned out to be the good guys throughout history, just ask a socialist.

KFEY93
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:46 pm

I think humans are always doomed to repeat their history every couple generations because the people who experienced the last shit storm usually pass away and arent there to stop or warn the younger generation.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 2:11 pm

tbh, I prefer this. If you are going to be biased at least be honest about your bias. That’s better than FOX and CNN pretending to be fair and balanced.

KFEY93
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
24 April 2023 2:34 pm

Right? Or if they were smart they would pander to both sides or just not sensor at all unless its doxing or something like that. Like Snapchat for example, I know its more of a younger person thing, It became popular around 2013 from what I remember but its exploded since then. The bitmoji character (basically your avatar that you can make look like you, dress them, make them do things on the snap map etc) has an option of holding a sign that says “Black lives matter” or ” We want justice” but theres no option for “Back the Blue” etc. Everything leans so hard to one side, slant of a story or issue its just eye rolling. If they were smart they would have both and let the people figure it out amongst themselves instead of pandering.

NoDakRube
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:49 pm

KFEY Keep fighting the good fight.

Remember when those of us who said Covid likely came from the lab were shouted down as Tin Hat conspiracy theorists???

Good times, good times….

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:50 pm

If lefties call it a conspiracy theory, anymore that gives more credence to it being the truth.

KFEY93
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 1:56 pm

Ha thanks. I had a feeling I would be banned as I was typing but I couldn’t resist. Thats okay, when we look back at this time in history when im old and gray, I’ll be able to say I didnt buy into the fear or corporate lies, and I’m not the one with blood on my hands. Clean hands clean conscience.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 2:47 pm

Haha yeah, ridiculous. Yet people still believe in that crap (which I never bought in the first place). I got perma-admin-must-approve-your-comments censored because I hurt some dumb lib’s feelings at dailynorseman (talking about COVID being lies, etc).

KFEY93
Reply to  JRo_42
24 April 2023 2:58 pm

Not surprising lol, you should ask Brad about his interactions with the blue haired middle aged white woman mod over there before he quit there and started looking into this place. Its a great story.

benjammin
Admin
24 April 2023 1:07 pm

So on the day when Tucker Carlson leaves Fox News and Don Lemon is fired by CNN Lifer is of course nowhere to be found.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:09 pm

hmmm

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:27 pm

Lifer:
”Tucker Carlson is a piece of shit human who deserves jail time”

”Don LaMond is a victim of evil corporate racism”

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 1:30 pm

I believe you are correct.

benjammin
Admin
24 April 2023 1:04 pm

LOLOLOLOL

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:09 pm

That is a good one.

HUNViking
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:08 pm

LOL

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:15 pm

LOL! Well played!

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 1:19 pm

I really think TuckHer Johnson was the way to go on that one.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 12:56 pm

NOOO! Saw we landed on moon tho.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 12:59 pm

NO WAY!!!

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 12:54 pm

Nice officiating Wild game zebras. Pieces of shit.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 12:55 pm

Hey, you just took a stick to the face and are bleeding? How about you take 2 minutes off for tripping.

norseman1
norseman1
24 April 2023 12:52 pm

Qwesi going to do something boneheaded. Book it.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 12:54 pm

I’m a bonehead so does that mean I have to approve or disapprove?

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 1:00 pm

You got college smarts, i don’t. I just expect the worst. 7 pm CST, We on the clock by 9? I forgot how much time for picks.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 1:02 pm

What if we trade up for 2?!

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 1:05 pm

Think we move up for a qb? Give up the next #1 and #2 for next 10 years?

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:08 pm

Maybe not even 2 years worth.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 1:10 pm

What’s the consensus on here about the best qb? You have a poll?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:23 pm

That’s just because Skolly did his best dem impersonation and voted multiple times.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:25 pm

lol

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:17 pm

RGIII says hi

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:30 pm

I think anyone who trades their future away to bring in one guy who may or may not pan out is asking for trouble.

DE Viking
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 1:04 pm

Lol no.
Closer to 11pm

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:22 pm

And even with the first pick that they know already, they will drag it out for the full 10 minutes. It’s nauseating.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:31 pm

Even though you know the outcome, you gotta make it last.

Sound familiar?

NoDakRube
Reply to  DE Viking
24 April 2023 1:50 pm

Some things are better prolonged, some things aren’t.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 1:33 pm

True, screen says pick is in then it’s back to booth to beat shit to death.

DE Viking
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 1:36 pm

Yep.
”The pick is in…..”
When we come back after this break, we will see who team x is drafting.

manly-purple
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 12:55 pm

Analytics…

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 12:54 pm

ooo….

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 12:55 pm

I like it.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 1:32 pm

LOL, Chris Simms sucks, had Zach Wilson as the #1 QB in 2021 and Mond in like top 3.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 5:45 pm

Already overcome by events with the Packers/Jets deal. Packers get Jets #13 pick and Jets get Packers #15 pick. Maybe they still select the same players?

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
24 April 2023 5:51 pm

Bet money Jets take a WR at 15 for Rodgers just to show they’ll pick players for him.

By the way that mock from Simms is horrible.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 12:52 pm

Not sure why Vikes would trade picks now to move up. Could wait and see how board goes. Risky but there QB could fall a bit so wouldn’t have to give so much up

DE Viking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 1:34 pm

Could be forcing a team to get scared and make a move, leaving Kwesi’s preferred choice available.
Smoke and mirrors.

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 12:52 pm

Hey Kwesi…

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 12:54 pm

Repay the favor from last year and trade down cheap?

VikingPhilip
24 April 2023 12:11 pm

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bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 12:08 pm

Do you repost what others have already posted on here on purpose at this point?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 12:09 pm

He missed the ‘breaking news’ by only 30m.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 12:21 pm

Easy bow. Don’t take your anger that the Vikes aren’t going to draft Hooker now on me

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 12:30 pm

NO WAY!

I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS YET!!!

Wrenage
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 12:36 pm

I also heard Tucker Carlson from Fox News is gone. I will see if I can find some links…

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  Wrenage
24 April 2023 12:38 pm

Just to pile on…LOL!

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 11:38 am
SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:40 am

Drama Queen,
Long past due.

manly-purple
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:48 am

Not the Bee started their article on it with “In one last act of being overshadowed by Fox News and Tucker Carlson…” Lol

Mick
Mick
Reply to  manly-purple
24 April 2023 11:49 am

Loooool

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:48 am

WTF is going here? This guy might be onto something, or maybe just on something.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 12:25 pm

Wrenage
24 April 2023 11:27 am

If all else fails, Gino Torretta is on LinkedIn.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Wrenage
24 April 2023 11:41 am

He never got a chance

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 10:39 am

Tucker is out at Fox.

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 11:33 am

FOX/CNN/MSNBC etc… is to news what WWE is to professional sports.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 10:47 am

Won’t miss him.
I thought his Logic was broken/flawed most times I watch him back when I watched TV.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 10:58 am

Wow that’s big

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 11:05 am

Things you’ve never heard a woman say to you.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:26 am

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:00 am

Looks like they’re getting rid of anybody who questions the order. Dan Bongino is out as well.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 11:14 am

More likely cutting costs since they settled that lawsuit.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
24 April 2023 12:42 pm

I doubt it was about money.
I assume they had to buy out his contact for him to go quietly.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:04 am

That’s interesting. I never really watched his show, but it seemed as though he was their biggest draw. Curious timing too.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:39 am

#1 watched news program in america

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 11:43 am

‘News’ program??
I guess if you expand the definition enough it might barely fit.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 11:50 am

It is a very strange move to say the least that they abruptly parted ways with their most popular media person.

HUNViking
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:52 am

Very strange move indeed.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  HUNViking
24 April 2023 12:01 pm

Or maybe something like this happened…

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 12:23 pm

How many of his fans would pay $5/mo to hear his show still?

my guess is a lot.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 12:24 pm

I’m sure five will

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 4:14 pm

Five right now…

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SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 12:24 pm

Doubt Carlson would fit well with CNNs viewers unless he flipped his ‘views/stories’ 180 degrees.

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
24 April 2023 12:40 pm

I’m sure that “both” of the CNN viewers would be angry.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 12:09 pm

Fox got sued an eff load of money they had to pay. Could be financially motivated

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:18 am

Thanks for the heads up.
I promise I will still log in and bitch as soon as it is up.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 11:05 am

For how long? If not up by 8am CST we riot mostly peacefully protest!

Northwoods
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:16 am

Better print off today’s comments so it softens the blow tomorrow……..going through withdrawals cold turkey sucks.

ChiVikesFan
ChiVikesFan
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:27 am

Shall I start gathering the sticks, rocks and gasoline? All peaceful protests require those right?

Northwoods
Reply to  ChiVikesFan
24 April 2023 11:38 am

Where we gathering? I could use a new TV………

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 11:58 am

Bismarck

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 4:09 pm

I believe the migrating looks something like this….might be a few weeks.

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No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 4:11 pm

4 months later… sorry we’re still down…

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:55 am

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:57 am

Oh boy, here we go…

Lifer
Admin
Reply to  FloridaSKOL
24 April 2023 4:06 pm

For Stroud or Carter yes, anyone else…..hell no.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:57 am

What does it cost?

DO the Vikings get to keep 87?

I see the point for these teams to collect picks and move back if they want to be in a position to strike next year.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 9:59 am

Way to much to get that high. Has never been done before I read and Vikings won’t be the first.

IMO its a minimum of 23rd pick, 2024 and 2025 first rounder (this could be high pick if it’s the rookies first year we’ll likely suck). Probably some seconds sprinkled in as well and maybe a player or 2

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:01 am

Erase the 2024 and 2025 picks by throwing Cousins in the deal.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 10:03 am

Its funny you say that becuase there is a Shanny disciple as the OC of the Texans.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 10:04 am

Worked under both of them.

I don’t see Kirk waiving the clause to go to Houston.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 10:07 am

Exactly

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 10:29 am

Just tell Kirk the taxes are lower and they will teach him how to properly operate a grill.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 10:07 am

He aint waiving his no trade clause for Houston

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:08 am

Right

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:32 am

Good point, but that most likely means Cousins was the QB that took them to the SB this year so you wouldn’t let him walk after that, in which case what was the point of drafting his replacement?

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:40 am

That’s my feeling too. If they are going to rely on analytics and odds, Kirk is more likely to start declining than keep playing at a high level. He may be the exception, but you can’t count on that. There have been lots of questions if Stafford is going to be done and he’s only like 6 months older than Kirkland.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 10:43 am

It’s a real coinflip. Stafford’s played a lot more games than Kirk has.

he has been hurt before but for the most part has been healthy.

Father Time can show up at anytime for guys their age.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:02 am

Why? you have Danielle Hunter to throw in as well. He’s worth a 1&4.

I could see it going for 23&87 ’24 1&2 and Danielle. Maybe they toss another mid rounder our way.

HUNViking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:24 am

and Vikings won’t be the first

Not sure about this… the Vikings seem to like collecting obscure NFL records nobody else wants.

HUNViking
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:58 am

This could get very interesting, if true.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:00 am

I do think both Houston and Cards sell their picks.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:00 am

It would be cool if they do trade up. No idea who they should get, but the drama would be fun.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Surly Viking
24 April 2023 10:02 am

It would be for Levis if they did

Wrenage
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:10 am

They can have our 23 and this chair. That’s all they need…

NoDakRube
Reply to  Wrenage
24 April 2023 10:31 am

Come along shit head

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Wrenage
24 April 2023 11:07 am

Kwesi after he trades up for a QB

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FloridaSKOL
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:09 am

Lol

Northwoods
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 1:12 pm

Would be costly to move up to #2 or #3, but Houston’s #12 would put us in a good place at not nearly the cost…….might be 2 decent QBs left to choose from.

JRobert
JRobert
24 April 2023 9:48 am

Interesting discussions about the draft. Seems quite a few folks like the idea of big picture, forget competative rebuild, and SB or bust. In that vein seems to be strong thinking for go get a QB on rookie deal and then build a team around him. Seems like a solid idea. But who has won a SB doing this?

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 9:53 am

I want to win now. That’s why they’ll keep Kirk this season and maybe another year.

But signs point towards KOC/KAM wanting to move on from Kirk, so IMO get one now and let him sit a year or 2.

Kirk’s a gamer and if they extended him 3 years I’d be okay with that too. They need to make a decision though and commit to it.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:15 am

I do too. I just don’t think the Vikings are as far away as many seem to think.

KFEY93
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 1:15 pm

I regret to inform you they are wayyy further than you think.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:17 pm

I’m predicting a uncompetitive rebuild.

KFEY93
Reply to  norseman1
24 April 2023 1:23 pm

Id rather do that for better draft position, at least for a season or two. But to some people “competitive” is making a WC game. Thats not competitive to me.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  KFEY93
24 April 2023 1:33 pm

You watch games? How about the eagles – the NFC Champs. KC and JJ played poorly and KOC had a terrible game plan and we lost, pretty big. but go back and watch some. In the second quarter, a perfect pass for an easy TD was dropped by Irv – no Eagle had anything to do with it. In the third, JJ ran the wrong end of route that caused an interception that could have been another TD. Another error on part – not Eagle’s play. We would have lost anyway, but not as bad as it looked
The Buffalo game. They were ranked one or two in the NFL at the time. We hung with them.
Niow “way further” is relative. I think they can make the playoffs and win a game next year. who knows. How many games did you predict to win last year?

KFEY93
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 6:03 pm

Iv watched every second of every Vikings game over the past 11 seasons. You can get off your high horse. You wont see this comment and iv already explained why last year is a giant flash in the pan and is no way a foundation to build around for the next 5 years of the team. That was a 9 win team that lucked into 13. Iv explained why ad nauseum and I refuse to do it again. You have a lot of coulda shoulda wouldas in there. Eagles kicked our ass, no excuses. Josh Allen lost the Buffalo game, the luckiest fumble of all time. Dominate, SB contenders dont have 11 one score games, regardless if they (almost statistically impossibly) win them all. Luck (and there was a lot of it) is not a foundation. Seriously. I know imagination land is fun, and you want to be optimistic but, I prefer to let past history if the league and reality dictate my assessments. Vikes are around an 8 win team at best as it stands now.

KFEY93
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 1:15 pm

Wont happen in the next two years. Wayyy to much roster turn over and rebuilding and depth needs to happen. You dont do that in one season. So be patient, ditch Kirk, have faith in the folks the front office hired.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:06 am

Well I’d say Chiefs had a playoff team before Mahommes got there. And Foles did as much to win that SB as anyone on Eagles. And Wentz was a bust. Any others?

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:13 am

Well I’d say Mahommes was the last piece necessary. The Eagles, seemed like Foles won all the playoff games and especially the SB. But even if I give you the Eagles, this doesn;t seem to be quite as a productive method as many would lead you to believe.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 10:18 am

No. the Chiefs had a line when Mahommes got there. Bringing in a pocket passer with a poor pass blocking line is not ever gong to be a receipt for success.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 11:11 am

I don’t think I’ve heard Kirk make excuses, his fanboys however are a different story.

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 12:48 pm

Correct.
I like Kirk at the podium. He seems to accept criticism. His defenders whine and cry about everything except Kirk.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 11:19 am

was trying to discuss topic at a bit higher level. Try to stay away from the pro/nay Cousins stuff as it does seem to make even the most well intended topics to spiral into the usual spot and the overall subject gets lost.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Gone fishin'
24 April 2023 1:13 pm

My thought was not pro or against Cousins. I t was more a thought of why would a GM bring in a pocket passer with a porous offensive line. And just my thinking, I would never compare Mahomes to any other QB in the league.

Northwoods
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 1:14 pm

That porous Oline didn’t look too bad with Keenum chucking up ducks………

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 1:18 pm

My memory is poor, but as I recall case was a lot more mobile than Kirk.
And as I remember, that line and Case looked like shit against the Eagles.

Northwoods
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 1:26 pm

Honestly, I think the 2 have about the same level of mobility, but Keenum just did it more – wired differently to take off and run quicker than Cousins does.

So, in that respect, you are correct.

But when Cousins takes off he IS quite effective. Remember his TD last season vs AZ? 17-yardline, 9-yard dropback….

https://youtu.be/M1z187S-XNQ

Northwoods
Reply to  JRobert
24 April 2023 10:39 am

What has been the most successful strategy over the years to win the Owl? (Besides the obvious method of “scoring more points than the other team”)

Have the best defense? Been there, didn’t work.
Have the highest scoring offense? Been there, didn’t work.
Have the best kicker in the NFL? Been there, didn’t work.
Have the greatest RB of all time? Been there, didn’t work.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 10:41 am

I wonder what would happen if we had the best QB in the league…

Northwoods
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:00 am

Fingers crossed we’ll get to see that happen.

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 10:44 am

You forgot a key second component for any of those strategeries to work.
-Don’t be the Vikings.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 11:10 am

The answer is to have Tom Brady at QB

What has been the most successful strategy over the years to win the Owl?

Northwoods
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:18 am

Ladies and gentlemen, we HAVE a winner!!

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 11:29 am

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one though

DE Viking
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 12:52 pm

@ nah. Brady sucks. He was smart enough to get drafted in round 6, stay with NE for 6 Super Bowl wins, leave at the exact right time to sign with TB and win another. But he is definitely NOT responsible for winning super bowls. Just great at making business decisions @

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:46 am

Vikings landing Hooker was the buzz on Friday and Saturday but now Levis comes into picture Sunday and today.

All a smokescreen. They’ll trade back and be pansies

FloridaSKOL
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:58 am

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:03 am

Someone said Pansies!!!!

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:43 am

Literally impossible to go from 23 to 2 FWIW

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 11:17 am

Actually no, the Bills more recently traded from 21 to 7 to select Josh Allen. There was also a trade with Cincy involved but ultimately the Bills turned pick 21, Cordy Glenn, and two second round picks into #7 and drafted Allen. The Chiefs traded #27, a third and another first the next season to get from 27 to 10.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:23 am

It won’t be difficult if they want to make it happen.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:35 am

Yeah if the Vikings want to get there they can, we’ll see what happens but at least all this conjecture coming out is something to talk about. I’m not completely sold on Levis, putting mayo in your coffee, eating bananas with the peel on, and being anti milk are one thing and I can probably look past that, but I’m not sure I can overlook the fact he’s a soulless ginger, that is a dealbreaker at QB.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  benjammin
24 April 2023 11:36 am

That may or may not be the only way the vikings win a super bowl.

he’s a soulless ginger

bowbunch
bowbunch
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 11:59 am

Need the QB to have a soul so they can sell it to the devil.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  bowbunch
24 April 2023 12:03 pm

already did.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:39 am

Skoloholics being weird for me today. Anyone else having issues?

Edgecrusher71
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 9:39 am

Yeah it said some critical error on word press was going on for a while there… I almost got work done! Glad that’s over with.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Edgecrusher71
24 April 2023 9:40 am

Yeah that’s what I had too.

@GF, heads up I sent you the screen shot in our chat

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 9:38 am

Northwoods
24 April 2023 9:16 am

If the Vikings stay at #23 (no trade partner for whatever reason), I really don’t care what position they pick as long as it’s a hit and the guy contributes. I’d be fine with it being a QB who fell and has to sit a year, but anyone else needs to be a force in year one.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 9:17 am

Agree.

Need a young contributor for sure.

HUNViking
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 9:18 am

Yup, agreed. Queasy needs to nail this pick, and this draft.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Northwoods
24 April 2023 9:41 am

Agree.

Mick
Mick
24 April 2023 9:13 am

NoDakRube
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 9:17 am

Well, that would be something.

HUNViking
Reply to  NoDakRube
24 April 2023 9:19 am

They´d have to sell the farm for Levis, so they´d had to be convinced that he is THE guy for the Vikes for the next decade. Curious if Queasy and KOC will have the cojones to pull it off.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 9:24 am

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 9:39 am

Why would they leak this info though? Makes no sense

Mick
Mick
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 10:00 am

Because if its Hou or AZ leaking they want a better offer.

Saying its the Vikings is letting other teams know where they’re starting at.

Moving back for QB’s next year makes sense for Hou for sure…especially if they can get a guy like Danielle. DeMeco may make some good football stuff happen with a guy liek that.

benjammin
Admin
Reply to  SkoIdiers
24 April 2023 11:18 am

Doubt the Vikings are leaking it, its silly season and the truth is the Vikings may not even be interested but it could be teams with high picks that want to trade back are trying to drum up interest.

Surly Viking
Admin
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 9:43 am

Not buying it, but that would be interesting.
They are generating just enough rumors to make me watch the entire Day1 and probably day2 of the draft shows.

Well played NFL.

SkoIdiers
SkoIdiers
Reply to  Mick
24 April 2023 12:08 pm

About The Author

Gone fishin'

Gone fishin'

I'm a dad, husband, Army vet, believer, and a die-hard, life-long Vikings fan from the great state of North Dakota. I've been a Viking fan dating back to 1980, I've been covering the Vikings for nearly a decade, and I founded Skoloholics in 2022. I work in real estate and property management, I love spending time with family, working in the yard, doing anything in the outdoors, and as you can tell from my username, I love fishing. SKOL!!!!!!!!!!

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