Minnesota Vikings Discussion – SkolAsylum: July 5, 2024

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VIKINGS NEWS – Nothing. Just over two weeks to training camp.

NFL News – FTP

Question of the Day – Will you be watching the Receivers show on Netflix? Comes out next Wednesday. I enjoyed the QB show, even with Kirko in it. I am looking forward to this. Between that show, and Hard Knocks adding more shows, I get some kind of football things to watch.

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No longer New Vikings Fan
6 July 2024 6:49 am

Here’s something interesting:

Daniel Jones and Tyrod Taylor were the only two QBs last year who had at least 50% of their third-down incompletions as a result of pass inaccuracy.

Daniel Jones (50%)
Tyrod Taylor (58%)

No longer New Vikings Fan
6 July 2024 6:24 am

Good morning, SKOL, FTP, and FJB!

Found this list interesting:

NFL Teams’ Most Recent MVP Winner (Super Bowl Era)

Ravens – QB Lamar Jackson (2023)
Chiefs – QB Patrick Mahomes (2022)
Packers – QB Aaron Rodgers (2021)
Patriots – QB Tom Brady (2017)
Falcons – QB Matt Ryan (2016)
Panthers – QB Cam Newton (2015)
Broncos – QB Peyton Manning (2013)
Vikings – RB Adrian Peterson (2012)
Colts – QB Peyton Manning (2009)
Chargers – RB LaDainian Tomlinson (2006)
Seahawks – RB Shaun Alexander (2005)
Titans – QB Steve McNair (2003)
Raiders – QB Rich Gannon (2002)
Rams – QB Kurt Warner (2001)
Lions – RB Barry Sanders (1997)
49ers – QB Steve Young (1994)
Cowboys – RB Emmitt Smith (1993)
Bills – RB Thurman Thomas (1991)
Bengals – QB Boomer Esiason (1988)
Giants – LB Lawrence Taylor (1986)
Dolphins – QB Dan Marino (1984)
Redskins – QB Joe Theismann (1983)
Browns – QB Brian Sipe (1980)
Steelers – QB Terry Bradshaw (1978)
Bears – RB Walter Payton (1977)

Teams with no MVPs: Eagles, Saints, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Texans, Jaguars, Jets.

No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 5:05 pm

Most sacks allowed last year:

85 – Giants
65 – Commanders, Panthers
64 – Titans, Jets
52 – Broncos
50 – Bears, Bengals
48 – Patriots
47 – Texans, Vikings
45 – Browns
43 – Chargers
42 – Cardinals
41 – Colts, Ravens, Jaguars
40 – Bucs, Raiders, Falcons, Cowboys
39 – Eagles
38 – Seahawks
36 – Steelers
35 – Saints
34 – Rams, 49ers
31 – Lions, Dolphins
30 – Packers
28 – Chiefs
24 – Bills

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 5:20 pm

Quite the spread.
From 85 sacks down to 24, even to 65 is significant if you toss out the Giants exceptionally bad 85.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 6:17 pm

It is quite the spread. Two of our Division opponents are in the top four, for lowest sack rate.

No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:50 pm

Sacks allowed last year:

85 – #Giants
65 – #Commanders, #Panthers
64 – #Titans, #Jets
52 – #Broncos
50 – #Bears, #Bengals
48 – #Patriots
47 – #Texans, #Vikings
45 – #Browns
43 – #Chargers
42 – #Cardinals
41 – #Colts, #Ravens, #Jaguars
40 – #Bucs, #Raiders, #Falcons, #Cowboys
39 – #Eagles
38 – #Seahawkcomment image
36 – #Steelers
35 – #Saintcomment image
34 – #Rams, #49ers
31 – #Lions, #Dolphins
30 – #Packers
28 – #Chiefs
24 – #Bills

bowbunch
Admin
5 July 2024 4:10 pm

No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 3:57 pm

For 2024, here are the lightest projected offensive line units:

1. Dolphins
2. Vikings
3. Falcons

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 4:01 pm

Dunno… this is KOC’s problem to solve. Miami did pretty well with their line last year (I think). Falcons line was ranked highly too.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:03 pm

Think anything around 300 is fine. Skill and quickness to come into play. Good with our tackles, IOL not sure.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 4:56 pm

Mike Shanahan used to use very light, athletic linemen to run the zone stretch play and had some of the most successful running teams in history.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:39 pm

Who projected this?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 4:44 pm

NFL Analyst named Brandon Thorn. He does analysis of different things that he puts in his annual OL Almanac.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:50 pm

Well if that’s the case we should be racking up 150 yards on the ground every week. Won’t need strong QB play.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 4:52 pm

These are the lightest O-lines in the NFL… not the best or anything. Only six teams allowed more sacks than Vikings last year.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:57 pm

I misread. Yikes lightest.

bowbunch
Admin
5 July 2024 1:38 pm

Lucky nobody was killed. Sounds like one person took one to the face and was hurt pretty bad though.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:43 pm

Nothing more American than missing your target and mortar striking civilians?

Who the F is this guy?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:51 pm

When I was working with the DivArty at Ft Carson nothing would get them in trouble more than hitting civilian houses near the base. But it still happened, 20+ miles range means a small error could equal a large miss.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 2:14 pm

I get that, but this guys “nothing more American than missing and striking civilians. Sounds like slap in the face to the military on the 4th of July.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:19 pm

I think it was a lame attempt at a joke or more likely he’s a lame ass pro-Hamas douche, but this was the only video of it that I could find now.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:19 pm

Yes it does – sort of a back handed cheap shot.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 4:14 pm

Well, with the incompetence of JB in the middle east stuff, or with O-bama drone striking American citizens, maybe that is something to do with it.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:14 pm

JRobert
JRobert
5 July 2024 1:11 pm

WTH – why is there all the red flags today?
Been zero for several days.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:14 pm

Will have to reload to see them.
What they downvote will give us a clue.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:15 pm

Just look who’s here… the He-man Cousins haters knitting club…

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:20 pm

I ‘personally’ hate it. It reminds me of school days when you turned in a paper and you got it back with all the teacher’s red marks on it.
See absolutely no need for it.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:22 pm

Yes… it’s just the way blogs are though. I don’t worry about it, because we know it’s just haters hating.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:24 pm

I’ll do a thumbs up time to time, not down. I just move on.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:32 pm

Same

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:25 pm

I don’t ‘worry’ about it – but it’s chickenshit. Disagree fine – openly, but the red mark………..

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:33 pm

Oh… no doubt it’s chickenshit…

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:22 pm

I just don’t refresh my page at all so I never see any of them.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:20 pm

All the red flags are in the ‘He who Should Not Be Named’ discussion.
That certainly suggests a few people who might be providing them.

DE Viking
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:36 pm

Everyone says they don’t down vote, yet you have to be logged in to vote either way.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 1:43 pm

I have downvoted for two reason.

#1 Street Cred
#2 Personal attacks.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:55 pm

And those seem reasonable.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 12:50 pm

Ok, packers are here (not FTPs) and getting everything set up for the movers tomorrow.

They told us that we did more pre-move prep than anyone they moved before. Of course The Teacher gets the credit for that as that is who she is.

7 pick-up loads to the dump and 8 to donation. Plus various friends getting free stuff that we did need at the new place.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 12:52 pm

Congratulations! Just a few days until freedom.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:04 pm

Main concern is the mad dash on Sunday to Idaho 12+ hour trip.
Full pick up and CRV, lots of high desert and 110+ temps.

Everything checks out in advance with the vehicles but I will breath a huge sigh of relief once we get there.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:09 pm

we were lucky with Florida move. There’s a n. autotrain we took. Put cars on, got a sleeper and when we woke up were here.
110 plus temperatures is tough. Pray the vehicles come right thru.
The endzone is near.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:10 pm

Just don’t Pete Carroll it.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:14 pm

Stupidest call in SB history.
OK, SCMF. endzone is ‘near.’

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:21 pm

Fluids and tire pressure mostly. AC puts a load on too. Get out of Dodge SC.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:26 pm

I never use my A/C unless The Teacher is in the truck.
On this trip especially I would rather be uncomfortable and make it than not.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:29 pm

Hand touch wheel hubs once in awhile to see if hot. Always did pulling boat to Canada.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:38 pm

And if they are hot to the touch?
Just let them cool or get them checked before they become a big problem?

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:41 pm

Make sure your lugs are properly torqued and check your brakes. On a trailer, typically hot hubs means no grease and you’re risking losing an axle.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:42 pm

Thought you were pulling something. Couple small breaks on way should be fine. What time heading out?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:47 pm

No trailer involved.

We expect 3 stops maybe more to pee and for gas.

I told The Teacher the ‘earlier the better’. She suggested 4am but I will be happy with 7. So goal is ‘oh dark 30’ but I expect closer to sunrise.

The more we get thru before the temps get to triple digits the better I suspect.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:50 pm

I like leaving late afternoon/early evening. Then make a pit stop somewhere for a power nap and get back on the road before the sun comes up. When I make the drive to Minnefornia I like to be in Fargo around sunrise.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:55 pm

Have done that before. With 2 vehicles and two drivers it is more problematic.
The Teacher can do 12+ hrs ok but sleeping in car, not so much.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 3:22 pm

I’m the opposite.
I will get up at 3am to drive it in one day. Used to do that from MI to DE and back.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 3:25 pm

I’m usually packed ahead of time enough and hate sitting around. 5 o’clock rolls around and the pickup is packed I don’t see the point of sitting on the couch when I could be driving and I have a hard time going to sleep if I am leaving early the next day. I’ll just lay there and try to think about what I forgot so I’d rather just get on the road.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:53 pm

Fluids and tire pressure where both checked by professionals earlier this week.
This trip I won’t trust that to amateurs like me.

DE Viking
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:38 pm

Yeah.
It’s always a concern on that long of a ride.
All you can do is plan what you can plan, and just take stuff as it comes.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 1:40 pm

‘Men plan and the gods laugh’.

But ‘The best I can do is the best that I can do’.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 1:57 pm

” Men plan……..” ain’t that the truth.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 12:56 pm

Awesome SoCal… really great work, and happy you’re almost across the finish line!

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:12 pm

Once everything is moved and in Idaho I can relax.
There will still be a ton of work to do but time, planning, coordination, etc will be done.
Mindless work is one of the things I excel at.

norseman1
norseman1
5 July 2024 11:06 am

Sniffer say he was a black woman and Ho, ho, ho. Happy Independence Day?

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 11:08 am

Pretending to Ad Lib a joke?
I assume that was what was on the teleprompter.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:11 am

I know his gaffe library is huge.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 11:16 am

Why can’t he be a black women? He’s been about every nationality on the planet.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:26 am

Gender change is new.

Maybe he figures if he transitions into the 1st black, female, president then that will get him re-elected.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:45 am

True, I never thought of this idea.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 1:28 pm

Plus being a DEI hire will take off any pressure for ‘it’ to do anything competently.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:46 am

Desperate times, desperate measures.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 2:15 pm

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:19 pm

WW1?

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 2:21 pm

He’s not a good enough man to have been accepted then.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 2:24 pm

I think he was one of the troops that charged up Cemetery Hill.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:28 pm

He doesn’t have the guts for that!

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:29 pm

He fight for North or South? Both prob.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 2:30 pm

There’s a reason I said he charged the hill and not defended it.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:33 pm

Him and word salad most comical thing i’ve ever heard.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:41 pm

He might lie behind some rock at the top but there is no way in hell he is walking that mile and a half up that hill

DE Viking
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 3:24 pm

No. Civil war on the confederate side.
He bragged about DE being a slave state back in 80’s.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:25 pm

Wow… just wow. Looks like he caught himself and stopped… he can’t help but lie.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:26 pm

Is it a lie if you don’t remember what the truth is?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:29 pm

Touche’

No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 9:49 am

I took the day off, but decided to look at my work laptop anyway. Big mistake. Lots of email’s from across the pond… bother.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 9:51 am

Lots of Drama in Euro Land.
French Elections, Intel on attacks on bases, Olympics coming up.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 10:00 am

All of that is on my plate… several meetings tomorrow and Sunday.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 10:05 am

Enough going on that Ukraine is almost on the back burner, news-wise anyway.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 10:28 am

Then try to ‘enjoy’ today. Tomorrow’s work will be there when you get there.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 10:56 am

Just got off a call. Everything is tamped down for now. Gonna watch some golf.

JRo_42
JRo_42
5 July 2024 8:59 am

“Even with Kirko in it”. He was probably the best part of the show IMO.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 9:39 am

I think Cousins was great, and maybe the best line in the show came from Julie when she said “oh I forgot, it’s trash night” as they were pulling into the driveway after the loss to the Giants. So poignant.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 10:19 am

Kirk was likeable and enjoyable in the show, and I personally learned the most about him and enjoyed his content the most. So to imply that he in some way ruined (or might have ruined) the show is a little KDS-ish for me. I thought the disclaimer “even with Kirko in it” was a little off-base.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 10:32 am

Was a little strange. Kirk was the ‘Vikings QB” that year and we won 13 games. And it’s not like our defense or running attack carried that team.
Nice to see the Vikings and one of its players get national recognition.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 10:22 am

Got to see one guy prepare for a SB and one guy take long walks and leave the show early.

DE Viking
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 11:46 am

And prepare a shelf for a trophy he likely will never acquire because he chases money.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:49 am

Wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t we all?

Maybe he couldn’t get an off-the-record payment plan like Brady did for NE (through endorsements, events, gym stuff, and whatever) so he could get paid less for his NFL salary but still make tons of money (or maybe he just doesn’t need the money because his wife is a highly-paid supermodel). Anyhow, hypocritical, because I think it’s highly probable you would try to get more money too, especially if you think your skill is worth it.

DE Viking
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 11:51 am

Of course I would.
But I have never publicly stated, “It’s not about the money” or “I want to retire a Viking”, trying to win over the fanbase.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:54 am

Ummm he took less money to come to the Vikings, offered less money to stay with the Vikings, and you sit here and say shit like this.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 11:59 am

Some people have their minds made up and won’t change (me included, sometimes), but I like to give Kirk credit. What’s he going to say, anyway? “I don’t want to come back unless the Vikings pay me what I’m worth” or hold out until he gets a contract he wants? Then he’s a baby and everyone hates him. I don’t know what these people expect. Some of it is politics, even if it isn’t fully true, you have to support the team and say the right things.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 12:05 pm

Yes, denigrate Cousins at all costs. The KDS rallying cry.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 12:07 pm

Yeah, it really is interesting. The hate trumps all logic or understanding.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 12:07 pm

And sometimes circumstances simply change.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:55 am

There are not mutually exclusive

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 12:36 pm

Penix might get him one. The backup still gets a ring.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 12:46 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 12:53 pm

Yeah, you’re right. It’s going to be really hard for Penix to get one with JJ winning all of them for the next 20 years.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 12:57 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:08 pm

Doubt all you want Thomas. Eventually you will see the light.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:10 pm

If you don’t junx it with all the hot air talk.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 1:15 pm

The overwhelming negativity will jinx it before the positivity does and create a self fulfilling prophecy. JJ transcends all that is known of football and will usher in an era of Vikings football that causes us to merely remember everything prior to 2024 as the before times when we were lost in the desert.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:17 pm

I would say, in about 3 years, McCarthy will begin to shine, and in about 5 years he’ll reach Cousins level.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:18 pm

He’ll have them competing for a playoff spot this year (likely only competing because Darnold will dig a hole the first couple of weeks) and they’ll be competing for a SB spot next year.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:23 pm

Wanna bet?

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:28 pm

Go ahead and keep hating. JJ will surpass the non-accomplishments of previous few Vikings QBs in no time. Quick success is not as outlandish as you pretend. If he is the guy for the next 20 years, it will be obvious quickly. Stroud got the freaking Texans in the playoff hunt in year one. Burrow took the Bengals to the SB in his second full year as the starter. Mahomes was year 3 as the starter I believe to the SB. Hurts, year 2 to the SB. If JJ is the guy, they will be in the NFCCG at least within 2-3 years. If it takes 5 years to see what he is, then he isn’t the guy.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:35 pm

I’m not hating Bow. Just being honest and realistic, J.J. will take years to get to where Cousins was. That’s the truth. You can’t handle the truth.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:37 pm

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:39 pm

If it takes 5 years, it’s not going to happen. You’re arguing a faulty point if you look at recent history. He won’t be MVP year one or two, but if he is going to be successful, it will be obvious by year two as the starter, whether that’s 2025 or 2026.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:46 pm

I’m telling you J.J. has a very long way to go to get to Cousins level.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 1:48 pm

Then he’s not the guy. If it takes him 5 years to get to a level where they make the playoffs once every 4 years and only win one playoff game every 5-7 years, then they will be drafting another QB in 2028 or 2029.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:53 pm

Hope he gets some playing time. If he’s Ponder 2.0 need to know.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  norseman1
5 July 2024 1:56 pm

I think he will one way or another. If he shows he’s ready in training camp I expect him to start. Otherwise Darnold will likely Darnold and JJ will be starting by midseason.Even if they win games but you’re getting Mullens level interceptions, it’s JJ time.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:03 pm

I personally put little weight in training camp or preseason games for that matter.
Then there’s our schedule. Darnold could play his ass off and we could easily start 1-6.
Would you bench Darnold then, even if he is playing really well.

bowbunch
Admin
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 2:05 pm

If he’s playing well then no. I think it will come down to what KOC sees in practice and it’s Sam’s job to lose. It isn’t set in stone and JJ has a legit shot. If they are even equal, then start JJ. He’s the future, not Sam.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:12 pm

Would say at this point – the future is to be determined.
If as you say it’s Sam’s job to lose, then he’s the QB until he loses it – and that might just be a long time.
For all we know, now in the right situation he might be the next Drrew Brees or something.
Two hopeful candidates are better than one.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:18 pm

Bow… the QB has not been the reason this team did not achieve great heights. The QB was very good. The running game, the defense, and special teams were bad. That’s why the team wasn’t great. J.J. isn’t going to be great for a while. Maybe never, but I think he’ll end up being good.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:20 pm

QB play might not have been the biggest problem, but it was the answer either. The greats are great and it’s not even an argument. If there is even an argument, then that’s your answer.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:27 pm

That’s a nice saying – not the answer.
Cousins is not great for sure.
but there has never been a great QB that won all that much without a a fair amount of talent around him.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:27 pm

Bow, Cousins was in the top 4 of the league in TD production during his time here. THAT wasn’t enough. The team was bad. Accept it.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:33 pm

Good QBs overcome. No matter what they do personnel wise, the Chiefs will always be in the conversation for the SB because they have Mahomes.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:38 pm

Good QB’s no – the most talented to ever play, perhaps. And it helps to have a HOF head coach and a DC that has won four SB.s

bowbunch
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Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 2:40 pm

If Reid is such a big reason they have won 3 SBs with Mahomes and Mahomes is just lucky to have him, how come Reid didn’t win a SB in the 18 years prior to having Mahomes as his QB? Did he just happen to learn how to build a team all of a sudden and coincidentally when Mahomes started playing?

bowbunch
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Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:42 pm

Even with consistently shitty roster construction, the Packers made the NFCCG almost every year (or at least often enough it feels like it was every year) with Rodgers. You have to have a team better than a DII school obviously, but the QB makes a difference unless you build a team like the Ravens did with Flacco. Even then, they got all time play in the playoffs out of Flacco and barely won some playoff games.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:48 pm

And now so you choose as an example – the second most talented QB of all time.
YOU started this by saying a GOOD QB. And then use as examples the two most talented QB ‘s of all time.

bowbunch
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Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 2:52 pm

Semantics dude, chill. If great makes you feel better than fine, great. I don’t know that I’d call Hurts and Burrow greats, but they are still good enough to have their team in contention and go to a SB pretty damn quick. Sorry I didn’t give you a key to the Great/Elite/Good/Piss Poor QBs in this context. You get the point but instead of actually arguing the facts I laid out you choose to argue about irrelevant semantics.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 3:01 pm

You chill dude – you stsrted this with good QB’s overcome. I said no to that.
Then said Mahomes and Rogers. And I pointed out the two best ever.
And I’d say Burrow is far better than good – but was lucky as hell to get to that SB. M ahomes had to play the worst half of football of his life for that. Still he’s better than good.
Hurts – we’ll see if he’s real or a one hit wonder
Now, this ain’t my first rodeo either and I don’t appreciate the sarcastic back handed bullshit. And if it makes you feel better crap……

bowbunch
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Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 3:07 pm

You knew what I meant and decided to argue the semantics of me typing good instead of great. I said good while talking about Mahomes. In this context there is good, bad, and meh. The good ones are obvious and will be contenders no matter what is going on around them. The team is important, yes, but the good ones overcome. The bad are obviously bad and the meh need a once in a decade team around them and the best play of their careers to have a shot.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 3:19 pm

No I did not know what you meant.
HOF QB’s are quite different than even very good ones. This is not semantics.
Even HOF QB can only carry a team so far. And very good ones somewhat less.
And there is a difference between meh and very good.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:44 pm

I DIDN”T say Reid was the big reason!
You said a good QB – I said no.
I then said the greatest QB of all time might some, but it sure helps to have a HOF HC .

bowbunch
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Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 2:48 pm

NLNKF has repeatedly and fine, great QB. Good QBs rarely win the SB. Great QBs are in contention every year. The best Kirk could hope for is a Flacco-esque run which would have been his first year in Minnesota if it was going to happen. The team was good enough to get the NFCCG with Case Keenum. Teddy was in the same tier until his knee imploded, but at least he was young and still ascending. Atlanta doesn’t have that team either. The Vikings have hope of having a great one now and no matter how much of a team game it is, the team talent is heavily weighted to QB play.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 3:07 pm

NLK said – so what.
Now I can’t speak for Kirk, but if I could be him here is what I would hope for:
When we played the Giants, HSmith, ZSmith, Hunter, Kendricks would actually not play like complete dogshit. Not just bad, dogshit bad.
And then a couple of my offensive buddies, like delvin and JJ, would actually show up.
Nope Kirk cannot carry a team, but it would be nice if he had just a little help.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:41 pm

Bow, that’s just not true. No QB can overcome his teams shortcomings on his own. No QB has ever “carried a team” to Championships. That just fairy tale hero worship bullshit.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:43 pm

You’re right. Andy Reid just all of a sudden learned how to coach and build a team 5 years ago. Simply ignore the 18 years before that.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:46 pm

Andy Reid built a Championship team, then Mahomes came in.

Mahomes is a great QB, on a great team, with a HoF head coach.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:49 pm

Yeah, obviously because they won with Alex Smith and the team has not changed thus the reason they keep winning. At least they haven’t lost their #1 WR or anything like that and played with no true #1.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 2:52 pm

The offense did suffer when Tyreek Hill left. Mahomes numbers went down. But the offense since Mahomes has been there has primarily been built around the running game and Kelce. Much like Romo and Whitten, Mahomes almost exclusively looks for Kelce when he needs a play, and Kelce is so great he routinely obliges.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 2:55 pm

And they just won the SB without a WR good enough to be better than #3 on the Vikings.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 3:24 pm

And a legit running game. And a defense that had just started eight rookies the year before. Shut down the Ravens and Niners well.

norseman1
norseman1
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 3:00 pm

Think the key is a good to very good QB and balance. Purple seem to fail.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 4:02 pm

4th and 18

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:17 pm

What negativity are you talking about?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 1:11 pm

Look Bow… let’s deal with reality here. McCarthy has years of development ahead of him before he will be really good.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 11:00 am

Interestingly enough, if you watched the show, Cousins did more work than Mahomes did. The reason Mahomes is a “Champion” is because he has a HoF head coach, and a HoF Tight End, and a great team. The one year his O-line ended up injured, he was not great in the Super Bowl, only put up 9 points, and lost handily. Great teams win Championships.

DE Viking
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 11:32 am

Agree.
Not sure why people get all excited about some guys personal life.
95% of america takes out the trash and we get zero credit for it.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:40 am

Don’t know. Would guess about 95% of public likes to see professional athletes ( and other prominent people) in their private lives and see they are pretty normal like everyone else.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:43 am

I guess that makes me one of the 5%.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:45 am

Nice to see that everyone puts on their pants one leg at a time.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:46 am

You like watching people put their pants on?
No kink shaming I guess.

#grin

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:49 am

Mostly women, but when a guy gets ‘too big for his britches’ worth seeing.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:55 am

Women taking their pants off is more interesting to me.

Guys, would rather not see them pants less going on or off.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 12:01 pm

there’s some strange ‘guys’ around nowadays.

DE Viking
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:47 am

If seeing a pro athlete having to grocery shop and take out the trash is inspiring to some, I admit, I don’t get it.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:51 am

Not the point – it’s not that they are ‘inspiring’ , more that they are real people, not gods or something.
Best effort at explaining today.

DE Viking
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:54 am

Like I said.
I don’t get why seeing Kirk take out the trash makes them “more real like me”. Most humans deal with trash every day. Hearing Kirk do it, doesn’t make it interesting to me.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:57 am

It’s because you’re a Cousins hater and we all know it. The point was he was coming off a terribly disappointing loss, and “oh yeah it’s trash night”. Real life comes into the picture, and shows everyone has the same things to deal with no matter what.

You can’t understand the irony, we get it.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 12:00 pm

Different people different feelings.
Doubt Trump, Biden or Lebron take out the trash. Kirk does, and as I mention below, Joe Gibbs was a guy that did.
That says something to me, if it doesn’t to you – that’s OK too.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  DE Viking
5 July 2024 11:52 am

It’s to show they’re still down-to-earth somewhat, and not conceited, out-of-touch a**holes like many rich people/celebrities. Most people will admit they like seeing this, versus the latter.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  JRo_42
5 July 2024 11:53 am

They can ‘show’ anything they want if the follow the script.
Not my cup of tea but you do you.

JRo_42
JRo_42
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 11:55 am

True, but some of that stuff is hard to fake. I like to think most people can see through BS, at least somewhat.

NoDakRube
5 July 2024 8:59 am

Golf talk (ignore if you would like).
I have been struggling for a few years now – distance is down and too many wasted shots.

I made one small tweak to my swing and now distance is much better and nearly always making solid contact. Shot an 87 yesterday on a difficult course, 2 birdies and lots of pars – a few doubles because my putting sucked, good have easily shot an 82.

I am so excited, but I know enough to know that once you think you’ve figured something your game sometimes really goes to hell, but I will remain optimistic.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  NoDakRube
5 July 2024 9:04 am

I always enjoy hearing about your adventures, I just filter the ‘golf’ part out.

I assume it is like bowling, if you make a adjustment your game will suffer in the short term while you practice and the change becomes 2nd nature.

Strategy is different talking about a different swing or grip.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  NoDakRube
5 July 2024 9:10 am

It’s the ‘good shots’ that give us hope which keeps b ringing us back.
Golf is a fickle mistress and we must accept the good with the bad. Can never tame the beast.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  NoDakRube
5 July 2024 9:30 am

Hey NoDak, glad to hear you found a little something that brought back some distance and solid contact, and you had a very good round. As JR said, golf is a fickle mistress, and it’s always going to challenge us. I hope this tweak is a keeper though and you have many, many good rounds to come.

NoDakRube
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 9:34 am

Thanks man! me too, I play again on Sunday, that should help determine if the tweak is for real.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 10:55 am

As I have said more than a few times here, if you don’t kill or maim anyone on the course, it’s a good day.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 10:59 am

You gotta admit, it’s more fun when you are playing better.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:03 am

It is indeed. Those rare rounds when you’re suddenly smashing the ball off the tee, hitting your irons solid, and putting well, are always the most enjoyable. But for me, golf is a social event, and I like being out there just enjoying the day, and taking the game as it comes.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 11:43 am

For me, I like it best when no one is out there – just me and the golf course – nature at its best.
Then we have a contest to see who is going to win today.

NoDakRube
Reply to  Surly Viking
5 July 2024 11:23 am

I shot two rounds of 79 in my life (when I was a much younger man), I see from the internet (so it has to be true) that only 2 to 5% of golfers every break 80. I feel so superior now.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  NoDakRube
5 July 2024 11:47 am

A 79 is awesome. I can do that. Then on the back 9 I really turn it on!

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 12:08 pm

OK Lifer!

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 12:12 pm

You know, Lifer amazed me. He had custom fit, top-shelf clubs, practiced on a simulator every day, and did brain training and mental exercises, and he still couldn’t break 90. But he would give all the advice in the world on golf.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 12:16 pm

Yea, made me wonder if it was sometimes just for show and something to talk about.
His politics were crappy but he seemed to have a good heart.

Wrenage
5 July 2024 7:08 am

QOTD:

I will not watch the Receivers show. I try to limit my football to the games and message boards, lest I overload.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  Wrenage
5 July 2024 8:52 am

I have not watched QB so I doubt that I will watch Receivers.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 9:41 am

I thought QB was good except for Mahomes wife. She bugs me for some reason.

NoDakRube
Reply to  Wrenage
5 July 2024 8:54 am

I agree with Wrenage, I mostly just watch the games, although I do watch the morning show on the NFL network during the season……..unless the Vikings are sucking, then I am not itnerested.

SoCalMinnFan
SoCalMinnFan
Reply to  NoDakRube
5 July 2024 8:57 am

Agreed.
Much harder to stay engaged if the Vikings suck.

Will still follow them just not be as emotionally invested, it is a defensive reaction due to PTSD.

bowbunch
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Reply to  SoCalMinnFan
5 July 2024 10:08 am

Get ready to be engaged for the next 20 years. There is going to be so much talk about the Vikings and JJ you’re going to get tired of it.

No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 6:17 am

Watching America’s Game, the Story of the 1991 Redskins on the NFL Network.

Good morning, SKOL, FTP, and FJB!

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 7:34 am

Good team but felt the 83 team was better although it lost the SB.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 7:46 am

83 team was very good. Huge disappointment losing to the Raiders in the Super Bowl though. I mean… 38 to 9???? Yeah.

bowbunch
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Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 10:51 am

Gibbs is a pretty impressive person. How many people are champions and in the Hall of Fame for more than one professional sport?

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  bowbunch
5 July 2024 11:05 am

He is impressive. A guy whose work ethic took him to the top in two sports.

JRobert
JRobert
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 11:10 am

Won 3 SB’s with three different QB’s and has won few hundred races with many different drivers. Good leader and really knows how to put a team together.
May have mentioned to you during his second stint with skins, used to run into him frequently in a coffee shop we both visited really early in the morning. Real nice guy to talk with.

No longer New Vikings Fan
Reply to  JRobert
5 July 2024 11:51 am

Gibbs is about as down to earth as they come. I’ve never met him, but boy, I’d like to.

KFEY93
Reply to  No longer New Vikings Fan
5 July 2024 11:55 am

Ah yes, the team you are an actual fan of. Lovely. Should still be called the Redskins imo

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