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Man, I despise the fact that we’re discussing the off-season already. I’m still disgusted with the Vikings’ defensive “performance” on Sunday, and the fact that the Vikings are out of the playoffs just doesn’t sit well with me. That being said, that’s reality right now, so the best thing to do is look at the off-season and how the front office is going to go about making the Vikings a better team in 2023. That’s how I cope, I look for solutions.
In order to keep the discussion going on some of our favorite subjects, we began a “Where Do We Go From Here?” series for each roster spot or coaching position where a change is imminent. Where applicable, we’ll include a poll on each story. Below are our two current polls, which will remain open until Friday at noon.
Poll Results
Should the Vikings move on from Ed Donatell?
- Yes, fire him yesterday (70%, 35 Votes)
- Keep Donatell and fix the personnel issue(s) (12%, 6 Votes)
- Maybe (10%, 5 Votes)
- I don't know (8%, 4 Votes)
Total Voters: 50
Loading ...What do the Vikings do with Kirk Cousins?
- Keep him through the end of his current deal, then move on (43%, 20 Votes)
- Keep him and sign him to an extension (41%, 19 Votes)
- Pull off some sort of trade (15%, 7 Votes)
Total Voters: 46
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Minnesota Vikings News:
We looked at the Vikings’ potential options with Ed Donatell and the Vikings defense.
We also explored where the Vikings may go with Kirk Cousins.
Adam Thielen’s wife hinted at the inevitable via Instagram after Sunday’s loss, from Yahoo Sports. It’ll be a bummer to watch some of our long-time favorites depart, but this off-season will likely bring many more departures like this. All the best to Thielen and his family in their future endeavors. I have a deep respect for how hard he worked to get to where he is on the field, but more so for all that he does off the field. Great people that the world needs more of.
Video of the Day:
I found this one yesterday, really cool stuff.
Has Thielens production gone down because of KOC, or was it always trending in this direction?
I blame KOC, he doesn´t seem to like Thielen for some reason. Of course age is catching up with Adam as well.
THIELEN IS SLOW AS MOLASSES
Yes……
I think Thielen see’s the writing on the wall. I’m sure he like’s JJ but he’s probably upset he no longer has a primary role in the offense. And it’s probably not going to get any better…JJ wants his 2,000 yard season and I’m guessing KOC is determined to help him get there. Plus, you’ve got KJ on the rise and some other young guys that look interesting (I’m thinking primarily of Nailor).
That said, I also think there was a notable decline in AT’s speed, route running and his historically “sticky hands” this season. So, IMO, if Adam is convinced he can still play a greater role on the offense, it’s probably in both side’s best interest to part ways. Especially before his wife totally tarnishes his MN legacy with stupid, passive-aggressive posts on social media.
New thread, we’ll need it eventually. Migrate when you wish.
so trying to figure out who to have be “my team” now that the vikings are out.
NFC i think i can easily cheer for the 49ers. no one on that team i hate and they are fun to watch.
AFC i think it’s between Chiefs and Bills, both teams are fun to watch
Giants duh
nah
I check out once the Vikes are out of it. Might have the games on in the background, but that’s about it. Ice fishing time now.
caught a nice sized northern this past weekend on the lake.
took the kids, their first time ice fishing.
had a blast
Fortner’s in the NFC.
Chiefs/Bangles/Jax in the AFC.
Buffalo gets special rules. I hate that.
Going to start banning people if you don’t clean shit up,
,
Chief
Top admin
Get ’em!
Have a lovely day ladies. Big 5 is out. Now you can circle jerk and not be offended by a comment you fkn pusises.
Thank you for not calling us pansies. That would have been way out of line.
I prefer “dumb lib” myself.
i’m offended by this
Stuflake
What a pansy
^^banned
for the record if you guys are going to start circle jerking I am moving over to the Front Porch….I thought only Hockey players did that.
LOL
A bit thin skinned there, mate.
I think Thielen and Cook are in a similar decline. Having said that, i’m in the midst of a post season hangover and i don’t give a rats ass who’s on the team next year. I’ll see myself out.
LOL thanks Chief.
Father Time catches everyone. Cook had some yards but not having an RB on the roster who can get 1 yard when they need it? Thats gettin really fuckin old.
Ben brought up Will Levis being the QB for the Vikings to draft. They will need to get up into the 5-6 range with it because of the Raiders, Falcons, and Panthers.
What would it take? This years and next years 1st. And probably a 2 from next year as well. IF its a team like the Seahawks at 5, a case could be made that Danielle Hunter gets thrown in as well to sweeten the pot.
It is possible to move up and go get a guy, and it won’t sink the franchise forever either. Look at the eagles and what they gave up for Wentz…and now they’re right back in the thick of it a couple years later.
They recouped much of what they spent for Wentz, though. Not all of it, but they got a lot back when they traded with the Cults.
Ok.
so what does that have to do with the Vikings making a move?
Just saying that had a lot to do with them being able to be competitive even after shelling out a bunch of picks for a guy who didn’t work out. Pretty rare that happens, they got lucky that Wentz was still worth something when they traded him to the Cults.
You need to get lucky with the right circumstances at the right time, I guess. Roseman got lucky he could pass Wentz off to the Colts and recoup many picks, just like he managed to pass Bradford off to the Vikes.
That said, the Vikes will have to take the risk at some point. Need a franchise QB, preferably on a rookie deal. Can´t make an omelet without breaking some eggs.
I don’t think moving up for a QB is even a thought in Kwesi’s brain.
I expect a full on sales job about how close the team is in reaching its’ goals.
Anything noteworthy today? I sprained my scrolling finger.
Five Sucks, Cut Him
-Mick
TO THE SUMMARY IT GOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s a good day to be on IR.
gonna be called savage names if you are me but others can say whatever, solid summary.
Go Avs!
Awwww, poor five.
Appreciate the hump day gifs, thanks guys! I’m on tablet so can’t do a TL;DR post but next week I’ll have to share what GYN-ONC told my wife while I was in room. We’re still laughing our asses off about it.
Personally I just want the team to be competitive, even if they lose. This RB/TE in the soft center of the field zone D with no one within three yards has gotta stop.
Cook must go.
Heh heh Monday we had derr appointments so hauled the chocos with to the Magic City. Took them to Plaws and Claws for daycare. Bubba first time at daycare so they did temperament test then released to gen pop. New shift came on at 2 so when we picked up at 4 the older Tuck comes running out to us…no Bubba. “Uh they’re having a hard time catching him…he got through gate into next outdoor run…4 guys out there trying to catch him” finally comes in panting and the teenager with him completely out of breath…”he was not sure why we wanted him and ran”. Big goof.
“Where do we go from here?” ideas. Which one is the next most interesting? Kendricks? Harrison Smith?
both please. I am enjoying this exercise.
Me too. You start digging into these contracts, and you question Rick’s sanity. WTH was he doing?
Plotting Zimmers demise. Kind of backfired.
What he did his entire time here, save his job.
True.
Buddy of mine got to have dinner with Norv Turner back when he was OC here. He asked Norv about Spielman. Norv’s response was “he does enough to keep from getting fired”.
Yep.
Competitive rebuild was a thing before Kwesi.
kendricks for sure needs to go.
Smith still held his own for the most part but Kendricks WOOF was BAD
He stood out in bad ways usually.
Hunter would be most interesting as he’s not old and declining. He is still like 27, productive, but not the greatest scheme fit, will surely demand a contract extension, and has been a malcontent about being “underpaid” in the past despite season ending injuries. He is only getting 5.5 mil in actual cash for the upcoming season, he’s about to throw a huge fit about that for sure.
I think they’ll trade Hunter
Its what I would do, he isn’t a great fit, likely doesn’t want to be here anyway and wants to get paid.
I don’t think hes a terrible fit… I just cant understand in what world they think he should be covering Rb’s and WR’s instead of rushing the passer.
In Donatell´s world, apparently.
Yeah, not a great fit but not terrible. Outside of JJ he’s one of the few players that have any trade value due to all the shitty contracts.
Good idea. Also Cook.
I just came for the pregnant gifs.
you guys seem uptight today
was i the only idiot that when i read donatell said “just wait for what you see from this defense in the playoffs” i actually thought he was talking to the vikings fans and not the giants fans?
ugh what a joke
Haha LOL, I fell for it as well. What a joker that Donatell dude is, right?
i did have a couple friends sayin “we are gonna blow the giants out” and i was like what team have you been watching.
i’m glad i tempered my expectations to a probably loss.
but for real, has he been fired yet?
I hoped they´d beat a mediocre Giants team at home, but I was prepared for a loss as well… it´s the Vikings.
LOL at you friends who thought we´d blow them out, for the reasons we discussed prior to the game. Unfortunately, we were right, Daboll had his team better prepared than our coaches had ours.
Maybe Queasy & KOC will announce something today, they are supposed to talk to the media today as I´ve read somewhere in this thread.
It was a balancing act heading into that game. I wanted to make sure kiddo was mentally prepared & I wanted to make sure I set a good example for how to handle it. Kept his hopes up while making sure he understood what COULD (and did) happen. I’m still pissed the pricks couldn’t pull off one win.
I´m sure you did a good job preparing kiddo for everything that could happen, including losing a home game to a mediocre squad. This fucking team, man…
I’m sure you did fine. I started going to Esks games when I was 7 had a lot of fun and I couldn’t say win or lose the outcome mattered it was going with my dad and camaraderie with other season tix holders in our section.
Savage
8 teams left. I would absolutely take any of those at QBs over who we currently have.
@you are out of touch. Kirk is better than most of those QB’s. Check Kirk’s stats@
weird how you guys can say this but I can’t. “It isn’t what you say, it’s who says it”
It isn’t what you say, it’s about not being an obnoxious fucking troll.
have a good day
Always do
maybe number of posts? I am backing off on the number of comments I make since they are all the same.
I pretty much think this team is complete shit. Lions should walk with the division next year. Vikings fighting to stay out of the cellar with their “competetive Rebuild ” bullshit.
Kirk Cousins is Ass.
When someone else is playing QB for this team, I may or may not jump back in the fan-boat.
I still love the game and would like to see the Vikings improve.
They have to prove it to me now. Complete fair weather fandom for me.
same for me
ut oh
i would take kirk over purdy and dak for sure.
I would probably prefer Kirk over Dak with current pay, but no way am I not taking Purdy and his salary over Kirk
ok yes contract-wise sure.
i don’t look at contract as much as everyone seems to.
i just look at play.
Still taking Purdy over Kirk. At least there is potential for improvement.
That kid will start somewhere next year. Not sure how well he’ll do, but he’ll start somewhere. Just like Keenum started somewhere after 2017.
Kirk is the Black Dak Prescott
I thought it was the other way round?
LOL, mental error, or I’m just racist
Or both
LOL
Five, when you shit post the same comment on every fucking thread on this page, that’s trolling.
This is your issue. You’re fucking immature. You post “Debbie Downer’ on every fucking comment string. Why? Grow the fuck up.
That was sarcasm as when Mick says to cut a guy if is fine but if I say it I’m being negative. Apologies, I won’t talk football, just other stuff for a while. Not really sure that I insulted anybody.
What are you talking about?Cut 5, he sucks.
You should have replied with “cut five, he sucks”
Cut 5 he sucks
lol
Well your football takes are well documented… “Vikings suck and will suck for all eternity, they are the most shitty franchise ever and 0-62 and they´ll never get better and everybody is better than the shitty Vikings”.
Did I miss something?
bucket boy all you want, I’m done talking vikings. You guys can talk it, it doesn’t bother me to not talk about it.
LOL
i am all for cutting this dead weight and eating all that dead money in ‘23 so we can make some shit happen in ‘24.
let the young guys get some experience and rumble. The defense can’t get worse can it?
Absolutely. I think they have to. There’ll be lots of new faces next year, if they approach this off-season correctly and get out from under the contracts that they are able to. I understand waiting a year, as some of them had far too much dead money tied in last year. I think we’ll see an entirely new franchise next year, and certainly by 2024.
Right. Get these bad contracts done with and get ready to put a team out next year. They won 13 with a shit defense. Do they do it again? Probably not but they won’t be a 2 win team
Exactly. I can’t imagine a defense with 9 fresh faces will do any worse than this year’s defense. The defense was among the worst in the league, at or near the bottom in many categories. Our time of possession was shit. Just think what this team could have done if they had an average defense? Yikes.
They did some good things but they did some horrible things too.
wr need some turnover
Guys like Kendricks looked like they aged 5 years over the off-season. Not sure how much is age and how much is being in a crappy defense and how much is just now knowing the scheme.
Last season… he didn’t have the coverage responsibilities he did this year and it showed.
True. Coverage was a strength of his when he was younger, he’s not fast enough anymore.
NOOOO
Filling their Rooney rule requirement is all.
Yep.
I think the Patriots beat writer said last week that they were targeting O’Brien.
He has a butt crack on his chin.
Good
Strength of schedule when measured against your division rivals is really not much of impact. It’s 3 games.
Back when the season was a 14 game schedule, there were 6 games different and it was a real impact.
I’m not saying 3 games is zero impact, but it’s really not that big of thing anymore, when looking within the division.
Now for wildcard’s and playoff seeding, it does matter.
Vikings schedule is absolutely brutal next season. 100% regressing off 13 wins.
Prelim before FA and draft I have us at 10
I’ll wait to see the off-season. Not even trying to guess right now.
Just sparking some discussion
I hear ya’. I’d put my baseline around 9 or 10 wins, then adjust from there depending what they do at DC and how they handle these shitty contracts that they have to shed. Lots of work to do, lots of hard decisions to make. Hopefully KAM and KOC are up to the task, and I think they are.
lol, look below
no, you are an absolute fool and wimp and pansy and loser if you do not bet with Five RIGHT NOW on next season
The risk is the same for any teams you would be betting. I’ll be curious to see how we do next year an the reactions to it. Kind of odd that what I warned about has happened.
You mean that the Vikings wouldn’t win 9 games in 2022?
Excellent question…
hope you enjoyed the season
I for one did enjoy the wins, yes. Something wrong with that?
I did too. The highs were high (albeit stressful) and the lows were low, but overall they exceeded expectations. Just hate the way they went out with a whimper defensively and on the last play of the season.
It especially stings to lose that way after they managed to come back in so many games… a truly pathetic end to an exciting, fun season.
I don’t remember you warning us about a 13 win season.
Yup, makes no sense. One could pretty much guarantee that the Vikes won´t win 11 one score games again next season, but that´s about it (and then just watch them do it again, because Vikings).
Oh fun.
what happened this year?
well… our defense sucks. If we were 10% better we’d be unstoppable.
So damn close. If only the defense could find their ass with both hands, and if only the offense could find some consistency. KOC has some work to do on play calling. I don’t think he was horrible, but he made mistakes and has to be more balanced, but I feel he’ll get better. He’s smart enough and humble enough to learn.
Defense needed to be about 25% better on Sunday.
Just need more kumbaya.
That would be a good name for a new rum. Kumbaya Rum. It has a ring to it.
“The season didn’t end how we wanted, but I think all of us made a lot of good friends along the way…and a couple of us even found lovers…”
“The collaboration was so awesome…”
Lol, 2 votes to trade thelen. Um, please do explain why the fuck anybody is gonna do that and take his deal? lmao
Contract wouldn’t be as bad for team trading for him but still horrendous for his production. Maybe Denver though, George Paton seems pretty dumb.
You never know what a team will do. I think it’s unlikely, but saying it’s impossible is erroneous. Teams have done dumber things before.
I agree, highly unlikely but might be able to find a sucker out there to give up something for him.
Yeah… especially when they know he isn’t going to he cut.
jf he does redo his deal.. I’m sure it’ll have a no trade clause in there.
but either way… he’s making a fraction of what he did this year.
Not a chance as they would never take a deal near that and they can wait until we cut him and ink for 2m. Never in 1000 years could happen. He has 23M ded over next 3 years and I don’t see a way out but to Broke’s point they pay the same so might as well keep him. The issue is he can’t play anymore and would take snaps from young guys who need snaps.
A team trading for him would only owe him 13 mill in 2023 and 17 mill in 2024. Still high but not terrible if somebody thinks he can still play. What Spotrac shows there is basically no reason to cut him. 16.5 dead hit if you cut him before 3/17/23, at least the way I’m understanding it. 19 mill cap hit if you keep him. Reduce his base salary for 2023 and 2024. Make 2023 a roster bonus or guaranteed salary to avoid signing bonus, then you can go your separate ways less painfully in 2024.
lmao, nuff said
They can release him prior to June 1, which would trigger the $13.5 million dead cap hit and it would all be applied to the 2023 cap. If they released him with a post June 1 designation, then only $6.5 million of the $13.5 million dead cap would be applied to the Vikings 2023 salary cap, and the other $7 million dead cap would be applied to the team’s 2024 salary cap. A pre June 1 release saves the Vikes around $6.5 million in cap space for 2023, while a post June 1 release would provide $13.5 million in cap savings for 2023.
assume this is in play though?
That’s included in those figures, I believe.
Gotcha, I was confused on that one. I forgot about the post June 1 option. I still wouldn’t be surprised, depending on what he thinks he will get on the open market if they restructure, not necessarily with an extension.
Yeah he’s not getting traded. Restructure or cut
What can he restructure?
in all seriousness?
hey Adam… we paid you all this extra money so let’s just pretend for the caps sake that we’re still paying you some.
GFY is what AT will say.
He has an 11 mill base salary in 2023. Reduce that and his base salary in 2024. I doubt he thinks he’ll get that on the open market.
And do what with that salary money? Convert it to signing bonus? You’d have to extend him to do that, and there’s no reason to extend a dude who’s gonna be 35 at the end of his current contract. I just see no realistic way to restructure. Maybe I’m missing something.
Yes convert it to signing bonus, and no you don’t have to extend him to do it.
If they restructure before March they could just reduce that number. They wouldn’t have to do anything with it as long as Thielen agrees to it. That is a potentially big if but unless he thinks he will get 11 mill on the open market he could agree to a pay cut.
Fuck that.
no way I pay him 11m next year.
I don’t see him getting that much $$$ anywhere.
Exactly my point so you talk to him about a pay cut and see if his expectations are realistic. If not, move on, but I think just cutting him without having the conversation is more of a kick in the nuts than seeing if he is willing to take a pay cut.
I’m not sure that’s ever happened, though, where a player just agrees to play for less than the contract. I’m not sure why he’d do that.
gets to stay home and not uproot family. He knows he can’t get anything close to what they have on the books
It makes sense, I’m just not sure if it’s happened before. He’d have to agree to just take a pay cut on the base.
It happens all the time. Usually it involves moving some of that salary to signing bonus so they get it upfront. Take less money overall but we’ll write you a check now for a portion of it.
Right, I’ve heard of converting the salary, of course, but this would be just eliminating millions of dollars from the contract.
Unless I’m not understanding correctly, which is certainly possible.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Guys take pay cuts all the time, at least if they are realistic. The dead cap from the signing bonus will be there no matter what so might as well see if you can adjust the base salary and roster bonus to a more palatable number.
He’s due almost 20m with 13.5m dead.
6.5 to play wkth and still have his dead money on the books.
there’s really no good out. Time to move on
I second this. Don´t pull a Winfield with Adam.
To what?
the amounts don’t change just the years he’s paid.
kirk is getting 40ish mil and everyone screams but AT getting paid what he does? Woooof
If they restructure his contract to say 5 mill base salary, the 11 mill means nothing. It is not guaranteed money until March. You’d basically be ripping up the old contract, giving him a new contract and still paying the signing bonus over the next 3 years.
That’s not how a restructure works. His old money doesn’t go away. That dead money is money already paid. That’s the 13 and whatever million.
it’s been paid and still needs to he accounted for.
Option 1. Pay him 21m and cut him next year for 7 dead.
option 2. Cut him this year and pay 13.5m dead.
If he plays on his current deal they are only paying him a little over 13 mill this year. Along with his base salary, his roster bonus could still be reduced or deleted as well (1.5 mill in 2023 and 2 mill in 2024). There is 13.5 mill in cash due in 2023 that could be reduced unless he thinks that’s what another team will offer him.
It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. I’d LOVE to see him retire in Minny, I just don’t think it’s likely.
Yes, but his 11.8 mill 2023 salary is not guaranteed and has not been paid. Reduce that number and his overall cap hit for 2023 reduces as well. There is no way to get rid of the dead cap portion because like you said it has already been paid. It doesn’t mean you can’t reduce the currently unguaranteed salary.
To what? Free?
im not comfortable paying him more than 5m a year. If that.
and that can’t happen.
Why couldn’t it happen? He has no guaranteed cash remaining on his current deal until after March 17. Hell the Vikings are set to pay Reagor 2.5 mil. Is a less than average punt returner worth that?
he has 13.3 guaranteed from last year. That’s his dead money. He’s getting it.
So any “new” deal still includes that old money. It’s already been paid. Him being on the roster guarantees another almost 20m for him.
So they redo the deal. 13.5m is dead. Now what?
resign for what?
what are the terms of the deal? How does it eat up money already paid? If they could’ve done it before why didn’t they do it last year?
He has 13.5 he has already been paid as signing bonus. He isn’t getting it, he has it, it just hasn’t counted against the cap. He is set to receive another $11.8 million (guaranteed March 17) in base salary and a $1.5 million roster bonus (actually $88 thousand per active game). That is $13.3 million in salary that could be reduced. Reduce the base salary to 5 million and you reduce the cap hit. You keep a veteran receiver that you are going to take a cap hit for anyway and instead of taking a cap hit for him to wear a different jersey you take the cap hit, yes you add a few million to it but reduce the overall cap hit in 2023, and keep him on your team. If he thinks he can still perform, add in performance bonuses to sweeten the deal.
11.8 salary
4.05 signing
1.5 roster
100k workout
2.5 restructure from previous years
19.967m for 2023.
Cutting him we get a 13.5m dead hit and save 6.5m toward the cap.
I think its wishful thinking that he will take less money just to stay in MN. Especially when someone is offering him more and he still gets what the Vikings owe him.
They need to shred the old contract and sign a new one as the restructure you can just move money around.. not totally negate it.
Hey Adam, you’re only worth 5m to us this year so we’re going to rip up your old deal and pay you 1/4 of what you’re due.
Hey Vikings.. Go fuck yourself.
That could very likely be the outcome, but he’s not guaranteed anything right now. He could just as well tell the Vikings to pound sand get cut and then fail to find a job and get nothing. That is unlikely but it comes down to what he thinks somebody else will offer him. I don’t know what a realistic salary number is, but if he agreed to a salary of 5.5 million you end up with a cap hit identical to the dead cap hit you have if you cut him as a pre- June 1 cut. That would also leave the 1.5 million in active game bonuses intact. If active all season, he could still make 7 million in new cash and the Vikings end up with the same cap hit as they would have if they outright cut him.
Yeah in hypothetical land… I can’t start to think what another man would take or why he’d take it.
Its easier for me to rationalize the business side of the vikings saying cya dude..than AT deciding to take less money than hes “worth” per valuations.
If they could get someone to bite on a trade? Sure maybe they’d be all for his salaries…but I am not.
The biggest question is what Thielen thinks other teams are going to offer him. Will another team offer him $10 million? If that’s what he thinks and the Vikes offer 5 then see ya. If he doesn’t think he’ll get more than $5 million on the open market then take a $7 million deal and stay where you already are, unless you are truly unhappy and fed up with the new kumbaya offense.
Which are huge.
Do you stay with your employer if they want to reduce your salary 50% or do you find another employer who wants to pay you what you’re making?
If I know that the job market is either non-existent or that the best I will do is 30% of my current pay I stay. A 50% pay cut sucks, but it’s better than a 70%. Randall Cobb is the same age and only made 2 million this year.
NFL after 30 is a tough biz. Very very few can do it at a high level.
AT this year did not show he is one of those guys.
Catching the ball and falling down was about it…and he magically got 0 credit for any drops until late in the year..however that worked out.
Reality is…its time to cut the losses and move forward instead of holding on to relics of another era.
I just look at it like I just filled the tank on my pickup and I’m gonna sell it. That money has been spent on the diesel so should I just let somebody else take advantage of it or find a way to use it? Not a perfect analogy, but if you can reduce the cap hit and keep it at or lower than what the dead cap would be, why not keep him? Reduce his snaps but at the very least you have him as depth on your team and you’re not taking a cap hit for him to play for another team.
Does he think somebody else will pay him more than 7 million for the year or give him a long term contract? If so then he says pound sand. I just figure if you are going to have a cap hit anyway you might as well try to get something out of it. In this scenario you would also reduce the 2024 base salary and you would still have 7 million in signing bonuses that would hit upon cutting in after 2023 or 2.25 million after 2024. They would likely end up reducing his base salary and then also moving some of that into a signing bonus which is what I would avoid. Offer him the reduced contract, see if there are some small things that can be changed to make both parties happy and if not move on.
Oh, I see what you’re saying. I can’t recall a player agreeing to just reduce their base salary before. Has this happened?
restructuring would save about 5 mil, but of course push that much into ded money next year. Just fucking cut him and be done with it.
You don’t have to push it to signing bonus. Just change the base salary number before March as long as he agrees. It just depends on what he thinks somebody else would pay him.
I would just cut him and be done with it, unless he’ll play for vet minimum.
Maybe he would. Might as well ask first. Worst case he says pound sand and you cut him.
Exactly.
Theres only one option. He’s gotta be cut,
I just discovered that I can turn off replies to a comment. Interesting.
I missed this somehow.
Please don’t reply to this
What will happen with Adam Thielen
Total Voters: 29
Lou Riddick channeling his inner 5
Vikings will be mid next season, 7-9 wins like they realistically played this season. Packers will be 9-10 wins. I can see Lions in 8-10 win range and fighting for a WC.
Sheesh, people didn’t think a 13 win season was possible this year. At least let the off-season start and playout a little bit.
Reasonable take, agreed.
we had 11 one score wins, most in world and NFL history. Had a negative pt differential. It was lucky no matter what you say and the playoffs prove that.
Lol, if you think we win 11 one score games again you are delusional. Always account on rare occurrences shifting back to the average. With an equal if not more difficult schedule next year. Please be realistic. We did not play like a 13 win team.
Nobody said this, of course
Exactly. It’s so nice when people have to put words in your mouth to feel to make a point because they can’t argue your actual point.
Fine. If you think we win 11 eight score wins next year, you are delusional
Said everyone a year ago…
I’m just having some fun
Right, just pointing out that was the general consensus a year ago. Most didn’t think we’d be above .500
Who exactly said we´d be winning 11 one scores games again?
Nobody. Typical straw-man argument BS.
Yup
Yup
correct but like brokeback said below, posting anything realistic makes you a bad fan. Be happy no matter what like master wilf tells you
Realistic is like IF we lost Darrisaw and Potato-boy and went with Tom Compton and Dakota Dozier and going, man our OL is going to suck! Because you are basing that on actual evidence. Just saying, “We are going to suck because I think we are going to suck” is really just proving you are a negative turd.
Anything’s possible, including 0-17 and 17-0. What’s likely is the Vikings win at best 9 games playing a 1st place schedule and their current cap/roster/draft picks situation.
TRUTH. I hate how if you arent blowing purple smoke up peoples asses 24/7 you are a doomer and not a fan. Shits toxic.
correct.
Rubes might want to know we play 9ers, Chargers,Chefs, iggles, Bengals. 5 losses there and 4 in division imo. That’s 9 losses right there
You know you could just post this gif all the time and be done with it. Feel free to replace the “we” with “you”.
I find it odd people can’t live in reality
You find it odd that people don´t live in YOUR reality. That´s on you, mate.
Lions easily win 10 and have an easier schedule as does pack. Vikes are likely 7 wins or so. Couple injuries and it’s likely 5 or less.
Went 8-2 last 10, beat us by double digits. Didn’t even get snaps from their top 2 picks or their best pass rusher. Have 5 picks in top 3 rds. not hard to figure out
Lions need to get a lot better on defense before I would start making claims that they are going to do anything more than make the playoffs.
They got the draft picks to get better fast. So they have the potential
gee, I wonder how they do that with 5 picks in top 3 rds including 2 1st’s and 2 2nd’s plus money for FA’s as goff’s deal is lower cap hit now
Here’s how:
Trade those picks back for 7th rounders
Pay an aging WR a fuck load of money. Add in a lot of dead money too
Overpay a QB with a fully guaranteed contract
Overpay a RB
Overpay a fan favorite safety
SB here we come 5!
Yeah because the Lions have a long tenured history of doing the right thing with picks and money. Good call. You’re so smart…
The current GM seems to know what he’s doing, drafted a stud OT and WR his first draft, then last year took elite DE who just had a 10 sack 3 int rookie season, as well as fleeced the Vikings GM in draft day trade for Jameson Williams.
eggslobber doesn’t comprehend they have a new regime vs the old mess. FYI
Your ability to see the cup half full with the Lions but not the Vikings is very obvious… The Vikings have a new regime that just won a lot more games than the Lions. I really liked the Cine pick but damn, what a freak shitty injury. Booth hopefully can pan out as well. Then we had a rookie RG who played well for a 2nd round rookie.
No, the Lions have 5 picks in the first 3 rds and many young core players. We have 4 total picks and are currently 24M over the cap now. They can also ink FA’s. Ingram per a post yesterday was the last ranked OL vs the pass rush in the NFL. Maybe that’s not playing “well”. But he was a rookie so he may get better
I’d bet everything I have if the situations were reversed you would be praising the possibilities of the great opportunities the Vikings had in front of them but rather you’d just be your negative shitty attitude self saying how they couldn’t even make the playoffs in a weak division etc…
not even sure what you are babbling about
If the Vikings were exactly in the Lions shoes right now. New regime, didn’t make playoffs, had those picks and that cap space. You wouldn’t be looking at it as an opportunity for major growth you’d just bitch about how they would screw it up and they’ll suck next year.
lol. Let’s see Megtron, Barry, Stafford, Jamo, Amon Ra, Penny.
Not too hard to hit on high firsts
Also some greats such as Jeff Okudah, Jarrad Davis, Laken Tomlinson, Ebron, Ansah, Fairley, Best, Cherilus, Ernie Sims, Joey Harrington, Stockar McDougle.
that’s why they were bad, bad Ownership and thus bad GM’s like millen. But you can’t put wreck on queasey and you can’t put Millen on the new guy.
You assert that a team should play like shit so that they can get draft picks and be great. I pointed out that in the past, it doesn’t work that way.
Nope, I never asserted that. I asserted they should not “kick the can” and still suck and let a rebuild happen organically so you might get a franchise qb. But you can be happy with never ending 8 win seasons, that is just not my goal and never will be. You act like us non opium chuggers are expecting so much when you weren’t more than 3 when they last even appeared in an Owl and we have ZERO chance until 2026 now.
All of this is just infantile rant bullshit. I’m mad because my team didn’t win so now I’m gonna be a dick to everyone.
Okay?
Not at all, I am not mad. I dod not expect them to do much in playoffs. I see name callin g towards me, not the other way around. I think it’s funny that if Kfey or I or DE say anything that everybody jumps on us. Really don’t think that’s fair. I think we need to get a franchise qb and not keep trying to kick the can in fuax attempts to convince the fans we can win. Just my opinion
Okudah finally had a mostly healthy year this season, actually playing pretty well.
Yep, he cracked the starting lineup in year 3.
LOL, he started as a rookie, but only played half season due to injury, missed all but one game last year from injury. If he can figure out how to stay healthy he’ll be a good player.
If my aunt had nuts, she’d be my uncle.
Yup, same difference.
And how many SB wins do the Lions have to show for their exceptional drafting? Their trophy case isn´t exactly bursting (just like ours), right?
lol, nice goalpost moving
So how many SBs did the Lions win so far? Because you always use 0-6whateverthecurrentfigureis to validate you negative opinion of the Vikings, you know?
How does one get high first round picks again? By doing so much winning right?
they had a winning record, FYI
And lots of playoff wins.
After starting the season 1-6, the Lions finished the season 8-2 with a defense that gave up an average of 20 ppg their last 10 games, whereas the Vikings D gave up 28 ppg over their last 10, including 34 in the loss to the Lions. Right now I’d take the Lions defense over the Vikings, especially their D coordinator, who got their defense to perform better, not worse, as the season went along.
Not bad, and trending in the right direction.
They’ll need to hit on a few of those picks to get to the level where I would say they are going to the super bowl though.
The potential is there.
I’m just not crowning them yet.
I don’t think that they’ll be SB contenders, I think they will make the playoffs though.
I’d take nearly any NFL defense over our 2022 defense.
There is no way you’re not my illegitimate kid. Yup, don’t confuse the rubes. They had Levi and Okwara out all year too and 2nd rd pick Paschal the DE never played hardly either. Add those back in who are already there and then tons of high picks. hmmm
Today I learned the legend of the “Giant Congo Snake” spotted and photographed by a Belgian pilot in 1959.
Why didn’t they teach me cool stuff like this in school?
too busy telling you how communism is a great system?
I don’t think it took with my class. The girls definitely were not communist. They dated everyone but me!
lol
Grampa BSF was in the Congo and had to piss.
Then some fucker flew over and took a pic.
The end.
Bacon is good
An undeniable truth that we can all agree on.
Indeed
Still one of the best commercials ever.
That’s funny. I don’t ever remember seeing that commercial but it’s a good one.
The next Aaron Donald in NFL
I am starting to hope that the 9ers wipe out the gnats this weekend… with extreme prejudice.
That will be tough to do since the 49ers play the Cowboys and the Giants play Philadelphia.
Yep, have to root for the Giants.
giants have zero chance, period. Boys might give 9ers a bit of trouble if black beaker doesn’t throw 4 picks
Excellent point. This is a dilemma then, can´t root for the poop eaters. Go Meteor!
Think the nfl would like an iggles-boys NFCCG? hmm..
Possibly. They´ll manufacture the outcome they want if need be…
2 huge markets and football markets?
Live look at Roger
Why Because Lawrence shit on us and talked smack when it was earned? We should wish we had good trenches again and can talk shit ourselves.
I´d love to have good trenches, team won´t go anywhere without that, it is known. I strongly dislike players talking trash when Goodell is in the stadium making sure their team wins.
Lol we didnt lose because of the reffs. They were horrible, but it wasnt game changing.
They gifted NY a TD when they didn’t call the LT for false start.
Maybe (likely) they score anyway, but we’ll never know.
I didn´t say we lost because of the refs, I said that they had a hand in the loss by not calling the false start on the gnats TD. I knew we were screwed once I realized Goodell was in the stadium.
the BS roughing call more than made up for that
correct, they say that literally every week
Of course we do…
Found this in some old photos.
Nothing here, I’m technologically illiterate.
Shit.
Hey Ben, didn’t get a chance to say it yesterday but much respect for your wife and all who serve or served.
Thank you
He wasn´t used much in O´Connell´s wondermagickumbaya offense. We attributed that to Thielen having lost a step, but I had a feeling that KOC didn´t really want to use him properly, it has been discussed before.
Both are correct. AT can’t seem to beat single coverage and KOCs play designs don’t seem to be helping.
LOL, what a pathetic attempt at blocking out the name of the person, you can easily make out the handle that’s supposed to be unreadable, great job you incompetent fuck!
Someone needs to work on their blacking handles out skill…
I laughed so hard when I saw you could easily read underneath it
Yup, I LOL´d as well 😂
Lol I saw that
lol, only paid 3x what he was worth and he is washed
Your opinion on Thielen will be ignored by all since you never thought he was any good in the first place.
false, it will be liked by all since paying him 20M ded in the next 2 years was stupid and I called that well before anyone. he has been junk since 2020
Ok I will give you that…his current contract is not good for the team.
worst wr contract in the NFL by a country mile
Doing a story on it right now, the contract is ugly. Another Rick special.
yup
Will never amount to much moar than Special Teams and WR5 at best, right? 😉
I think those were his words exactly
I remember that discussion. And I like to bring this hawt taek up whenever appropriate 😉
AT can’t beat single coverage.
mrs thielen, your husband is as fast as kendricks….aka molasses.
you should just get off of social media before you look and sound even more dumb.
that being said.
your husband slow
good boy
She really likes Florida.
Shes not a fan of MN.
I like her
She’s from Appleton, WI. Probably a huge Aaron Rodgers fan.
Harsh
I was thinking about Thielen driving into work this morning and wondered if something like this might be the “real reason” for his wife’s passive-aggressive Instagram that was posted yesterday. Now seeing this, it would seem to confirm he’s frustrated by his role in KOC’s offense.
That said, if that means he wants to extend his NFL career elsewhere, I can respect that. But if his wife is going to use social media to air his/her issues, then screw them. She’s going to damage one of the best “hometown kid makes good” stories I’ve ever seen.
Not to mention, I’m cancelling my family vacation to Detroit Lakes.
Is anybody else having issues with imbedded tweets not fully loading? I’ve never had an issue with it before but none have loaded this week. All I see is text and links.
You see this?
.
Refreash doesn´t fix it?
Nope. On the rare occasion I’ve seen this before it would eventually load or refreshing would fix it. I haven’t seen any of the tweets posted all week.
Which browser are you using? Chrome?
Firefox
Now that’s odd. I’m using Firefox & have no issues. You haven’t changed browser settings or anything recently, have you?
No. It could very well be a firewall issue. I’ll log in when I get home and see if that changes anything. I do have a DuckDuckGo plugin but would have thought I would have had issues before now. Nothing has changed that I know of on my end.
Weird, it’s showing up for me. You tried refreshing, I assume?
lol
Lol
Snowmaggedon VIII: Snow Harder on its way tonight.
I don’t think anyone cares anymore, though. We have acclimated, and no one cares about anything in January. Now is the winter of our discontent…
In the 40s through the weekend here. No snow until next week at the soonest.
Man… I’ll take all the snow of the temps stay warm like they have.
f that -30 crap.
I don’t know. I don’t mind some cold but after -20 it’s just brutal. I don’t like shoveling snow though either and every time it snows, it melts and my backyard turns into a mud pit where the dog runs and then my yellow lab turns chocolate and wants in the house.
Sounds like you have a drainage issue
I have a two kids and a 2 year old lab problem which equals a no grass problem.
We used to get standing water in the yard. I dug a drain (you remember? the giant penis?) & landscaped the yard so it all ran in there. Been a massive improvement ever since.
We don’t get standing water but grass does not survive in my backyard with the kids and dog so half of my “lawn” is dirt. Snow melts, becomes water, dirt becomes mud for a day or two, further destroying any chance of growing grass.
Yuck. We don’t have that problem here right now, still buried in a couple feet of snow. We won’t have mud until April or May.
Ah, I see.
we got like 4 inches last night and it will be a disaster trying to drive
Heard you guys are looking at a foot or more down there.
maybe in areas. Guess the ski resorts have a great base now. Only 4 hour drive to get home those 90 miles
@I’m sure all the Californians that have moved there are excellent at driving in the snow@
Dude, it is literally hard to describe, people will go 10 in a 50 when there is literally 1mm of snow. We postponed a kick off meeting today and it was smart. I’ll be at home today working here.
I see it here all the time, too. People are loony.
Likely gone by tomorrow too
roads will be, have some pack left. been hit pretty good lately
Getting another storm over there? Glad we got out of there when we did.
We are only in the 6-inch bracket tonight, I think. It is only for SW MN. We’ve been dealing with quite a bit of ice this year, which is more annoying than snow.
Ice started pulling my gutter off the house this last week. At least it isn’t pulling down power lines, though.
Regardless, we are already half way through January, and the temps have been bearable.
We’ve only been way below zero for one stretch of maybe a couple weeks. Other than that, it’s been moderately bearable.
Bring it on, the moar the better!
I don’t miss that shit one bit.
Going to be in the 60’s here the next couple of days.
Wondering if anyone else noticed this live on the replay? I did. I knew right then we were fooked.
I knew that we might be fooked when the refs didn´t throw a flag for the false start on that Gnats TD and announcers, “experts” etc immediately started defending that non-call.
Jones is Elite
I’ve always been a fan of his, thought he was stuck on a bad team until this year.
I like him, fumbles still an issue for him, had 6 this year but a far cry from the 19 his rookie year. He needs some better WRs and more help on the oline but they’re definitely headed in the right direction.
Headed into work, but thought I’d leave this little nugget for everyone before I go…
Since letting Kirk Cousins walk to the Vikings in 2018, the Commanders have started a dozen different quarterbacks in five years, marking a half-decade of instability. Their passing game has been almost the worst in the league over the past 5 years.
Since arriving here 5 seasons ago, Cousins has completed 67.8% of his passes for almost 21,000 yards and 153 TD’s with a cumulative passer rating of 100.9.
The Redskins passing game has produced 95 passing TD’s since Cousins left. In contrast, Cousins threw 81 TD’s in his three years as a starter with the Redskins. Cousins was never accepted or respected by Bruce Allen or Dan Snyder who sold their soul to draft RGIII whom Cousins eventually eclipsed as the starter and is no longer in the league. You can hate on Cousins but you cannot deny year in and year out he does his job well and holds up his end better than most.
I agree. I am a fan of Cuck Cousins and I want him to return with an extension to finish out his career as a Viking. I also would like them to draft and groom his replacement next year, preferably Sam Hartman. We’ll be set at the QB position for the next decade.
lmao, you are a total moran
NFL scouts project Hartman as a third-day draft pick — likely the sixth or seventh round — so the thought is that he can improve his stock with another year in college. ESPN reached out to three NFL scouts about Hartman, and none of them believed Hartman would get picked before the sixth round, if at all.
Well good, then he will be really cheap…Thats what you have always wanted five, a cheap cheap QB who doesn’t eat up cap space. Problem solved.
No, this guy is never going to start an NFL game unless injury. No, I want a rookie deal which is cheap by NFL vet qb standards
I believe that the Vikings have one 1… just 1 more playoff game than the commies in that same span.
One person can only do his job. Wins and Championships take a team effort. Can’t overcome everything. Note Tom Brady’s season this year. He put up good numbers (like he always does) but his team went 8-9 and lost in the first round of the playoffs badly. One guy can’t make up for a whole team.
Correct.
I just wanted to add a stat to your stats is all.
OK Mick… grin… you can add a team stat to my commentary on an individual.
Since 2015, Cousins’ first full season as a starter in the NFL, his 16 losses in prime-time games are the most among all quarterbacks,
yup, he lost 40-3 to boys, 26-7 to iggles, 41-10 to pack, by double digit to lions. Outside Davis Mills did lead the nfl in INT’s. Now tied with Brock Purdy, the 7th rd rookie, for career playoff wins when he is like a 15 year vet. lmao
Didn´t the TEAM lose those games? Vikings 13 – Kirk 4? Come on five, this is getting old.
correct, so, ya know, who cares? And guess what they will have a better record than vikes next year.
Is there anybody you think will have a worse record than the Vikings? I think you’ve predicted the Vikings to be worse than every team in the league next year.
Yes, TB if goat leaves, possibly ATL, maybe texans although they are swiftly rising, and maybe raiders.
You will now see the reality of being stupid and kicking the can same as wreck did while we had BTB losing seasons. 24M ovewr the cap ATM. Worst D in the NFL is going to likely lose 3 of it’s top 5 players. 4 Draft picks only, none in rd 2. It is what it is and hopefully we can draft a real qb in 2024. Caleb is my wish.
Ryck and Zimbo should have been fired MUCH earlier, this we agree on. Gave Ryck too much time wrecking the team with bad contracts trying to save his job.
yup, think most agree on that. turdwell, turdberry, gladney, hughes-ouch. Then, you take 7 guys in 3rd/4th rd on 2021 and what, 4, aren’t even on the team 1 year later and none start? ouch
Just a shit show all around, yup. Queasy will have to work some magic to get out of this conundrum. Also, fuck Jobu.
Work his magic?
Get ready for the sales pitch.
“Competitive Rebuild 2.0”
Yup, that´s what we´ll get, most likely.
Texans are rising?
Yup, big time. Have 2nd and 12th pick overall, 5 picks in first 3 rds. A ton of money to spend as well. Then two 1st rd picks in 2024. They have no large deals at all FTMP.
Didn’t they just have a bunch of picks and cap space a few years ago?
Odd, it didn’t work back then. I wonder what makes you think it’s going to equate to success THIS TIME.
Because they aren’t the Vikings. Everybody else is rising and has good front offices that never make bad picks or bad contracts. Only the Vikings live in unending ineptitude.
Nope, not at all. Houston had a terrible FO and coach and obrien was horrible and they still won.
Zero owls in 63 years sort of back me up. Last NFCG we got outscored with 38 pts unasnwered by Foles and a back-up LT. But you can be happy…
Never said I was happy with how the season turned out. It doesn’t mean I’m going to let it turn me into a miserable insufferable dick. It’s football. The season is over. The off season hasn’t even started. Why be miserable about things that haven’t even happened yet? Shit I might as well get pissed now I didn’t draw the 2023 moose tag I haven’t applied for yet.
Amen.
I’m not unhappy at all. Just posting facts.
You are posting things that you view as facts. Big difference.
But you do seem unhappy that other teams are well positioned…odd
The only thing I am unhappy about is the constant negativity of 90% of the posts here lately. Posting some stats is one thing, but constantly berating the Vikings as the worst organization in the league and telling anybody that isn’t miserable and depressed about the future of the team they are idiots is getting old. I can find better things to ruin my day about. I don’t need to come here and read constant toxic negativity about the same thing 1000 times a day. You’ve made your point clear. The Vikings are the worst organization in the league and will do nothing forever because they haven’t in the last 63 years and all the other teams are better in some way and won’t ever mess up their draft picks therefore further making them better than the Vikings. If we’re going to have to read the same shit day after day I can find much better ways to waste my time.
never said that ever. Thought you would be more for free thought.
Free thought, free speech is great. It doesn’t mean that when you continually repeat your negative opinions as fact that you aren’t being insufferably annoying though.
ah, I see. So only comments you approve of. got it
That´s totally not the point, but you know that.
That’s the entire point but I’m done for today talking vikes. Think having to lie about what I think to appease people is beyond ridciulous. He should work for facecrook
You´re really off with this take, buddy, has nothing to do with “free speech” or something like that. But no problem, you do you.
Nope, not what I said at all. You can have your opinion and I don’t totally disagree but you say the exact same thing to every single post. Nothing changes other than the Vikings suck and every other team is so much better off and smarter over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
I need to put in for my moose tag one of these years. Up in our deer hunting section is some of the best moose country in ND.
Never heard of a prairie moose before……..
what are the odds? You have any idea?
Once in a lifetime tag. My co-worker’s wife got her tag up there, she got a nice bull. My cousin works maintenance on oil field rigs, so he drives that country constantly, he knows where they are.
No, they did not. They won the division 4x since 2015 and in 18 and 19 and they have won more playoffs games since then than beaker has playoffs wins in his career. You should follow NFL
got a lot of respect for Allen and Snyder. vikes have no Owls, yawn
4th and 8.
Short of the sticks.
Yup, combined pts vs the decent teams is 20 total with iirc 7 INT’s and 3 fumbles. Vs an 7-8 losing record pack team it was 41-3 and he sat in 4th qtr.
“but he is healthy”, lmao
Love that giph
I love that you made a Kirk gif out of that It’s a Wonderful Life clip. Well done.
LOL, when Kirk threw short on 4th and 8 I just blurted out, “its classic kirk cousins horseshit”, then I was like, I gotta make a quick gif of that.
I don’t see any lies here. Kirk is good and consistent.
esp vs good teams
at noon sometimes, afternoon rarely, primetime…
5 years, 1 playoff win
4th at 8, throws for 3 yards.
Stat king Kirkland is a loser when it matters, and his extremely overpriced first two contracts contributed to the dearth of talent, since… poor.
He is overpriced for what he is. If you are happy with mediocrity, then this is absolutely the team for you.
Are we better off that the Resdkins/Commies? sure.
Still never winning the important game in February with Kirk.
not anymore, they are way better positioned now
The question is… are you really saying Kirk Cousins is the reason the team loses games? IMO Cousins is the reason the Vikings are in games and have a chance to win. 21,000 yards and 153 TD’s in 5 seasons (and never missing a game for injury) are pretty impressive numbers. Especially with 5 different OC’s and an O-line that is really bad. No Vikings QB in their history has ever sniffed that kind of consistent production.
Gm
Good morning!
FTP.
FTP, indeed
Good morning, SKOL!
FTP!
GM, getting snow up there by dulute?
Buenos dias!
Hmmm… aren’t the totally legitimate businessmen who own the Vikings big fans of the New York Giants? Not saying anything, just sayin’…
With that out of the way, curious if Donatell gets fired. Team is taking its’ time with the decision, it seems.
Good morning Hun
Good morning Rob
I don’t quite understand the hurried expectation of firing Donatell I read a lot here and on social media. I mean yes the man should and likely will be fired but no way did I expect them to do it the next day, week or possibly month. They’ll be methodical and respectful and meet, discuss let all the stakeholders from ownership to Brez and KAM give their impute and then the decesion will come.
it’s social media, where rational thought and reason are abandoned in favor of an emotional response.
OR
FTP
Yup
lmao
I wrote yesterday that the team should take its time to analyze in depth the failure of the defense, seeing that Donatell never had such a bad defense before and in light of the roster he inherited to work with. I hope that´s what they are doing.
I’m curious what someone like Harrison Smith would have to say, he’s had a front row seat to the shitshow all season sitting back there in the deep shell just watching the D get sliced and diced up and down the field.
Would be nice to hear his thoughts.
“We suck”
-the Hitman maybe
Will be a sad day when I have to retire my #22 jersey. That day might come real soon.
He’s a pretty quiet soft spoken dude, but I’m guessing if KOC asked him for his honest assessment of Donatell it would be something like, “that piss drunk cock sucker couldn’t coach us to a win against a lingerie football league team.”